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user20683

4:04 AM

We watched DAYTIME TV. Do you realize how soul-crushing it was? I'd rather eat an iPad than go back to watching daytime TV.

5:38 AM

-1 Inversion of control has got nothing to do with dependency injection. Two are completely different things. IoC container allows you to commit to certain implementation during runtime. From the article you quoted: "dependent object is coupled to the object it needs at run time" - runtime is a keyword here. — CodeART 6 hours ago

^^^ at first I though WTF, but then figured that real reason is not there :)

6 hours later…

11:19 AM

It's Friday. Let's break things.

lets eat things on sticks

Absolutely. And post pictures of us eating things on sticks on Meta.

12:03 PM

-5

Q: Should criminal activity be tolerated?

This belongs in Meta, but for some reason I'm allowed to litter up the main forum with off topic questions but not have concerns regarding site guidelines and enforcement addressed in the proper section. In fact, this isn't even a question, it is an order. Word your guidelines better. The member...

discussion reputation

^^^ nice Friday picture at meta, as you wanted

I should ask this in The Workplace's chat, but I'll start here.

Does anyone remember that article about how much you get paid versus how happy you are in life? There was a sweet spot for salary versus happiness.

Doing a search for "salary versus happiness" leads to articles that say "it doesn't matter - getting paid more means you're happier", $75k, $161k, and $50k. And that's only in the past 4 years.

Also, marriage makes people happier than 6 figure salaries.

@ThomasOwens some marriages...

@ThomasOwens it's around 70k I believe

not sure if that's for married or singles, though

@ThomasOwens content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2019628,00.html

@enderland Yeah, that's one.

realistically, I think this video is better - youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

I think there are other factors. Like location. Living in Boston is different than New York, San Fran, Seattle, or the small town where I'm from where you can rent a two floor, 3 bedroom, 2.5 bathroom house for like $1000/month.

12:14 PM

yeah there are, I live in the midwest, $1k a month is 2x my housing/food costs per month ;)

@ThomasOwens you might enjoy this article too, it directly addresses this question

(this is all a subject I'm really passionate about, btw)

12:44 PM

@enderland I bookmarked it to read it at lunch or tonight at home. Thanks.

1:43 PM

Nooo. If Avicii has to cancel his April show in Boston, I may lose it.

Especially since it was supposed to kick off my vacation going into my 5k and Marathon Monday.

user55340

2:00 PM

Whee! Its friday on a stick day!

if I was less lazy I'd post a pick of the word friday on a stick

It's Friday, Friday...

user55340

2:16 PM

TITIL (Today In TIL) ...

user55340

Britney Gallivan

Britney Crystal Gallivan (born 1985) of Pomona, California, is best known for determining the maximum number of times that paper or other materials can be folded in half. Biography In January 2002, while a junior in high school, Gallivan demonstrated that a single piece of toilet paper 4000 ft (1200 m) in length can be folded in half eleven times. This was contrary to the popular conception that the maximum number of times any piece of paper could be folded in half was seven. She calculated that, instead of folding in half every other direction, the least volume of paper to get 11 ...

user55340

> These equations show that, in order to fold anything in half, it must be π times longer than its thickness, and that, depending on how something is folded, the amount its length decreases with each fold differs.

3:12 PM

ugh, more TW rep..

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Run for mod!

all from a single answer...

user55340

@ratchetfreak It was a hot one, shows up eaislly on searches, occasionally mentioned in MSO posts about hot questions or the like...

user55340

Oh, @JimmyHoffa one of the tricks to know your delete votes have been acted on (and help it make for fewer delete votes needed) - downvote all (or most) of the answers in a question that should be deleted.

user55340

Then you get things like this in your rep history:

user55340

3:18 PM

user image

serial downvoter?

user55340

@ratchetfreak Me, downvoting a bunch of bad answers - the rep gets returned to you when the question and answers is deleted.

user55340

That way I can see when things I cast a delete vote on get deleted...

user55340

(10k link: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/94899 )

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The other bit is that the number of delete votes is calculated based on the rep of everything in the question - higher rep questions with higher rep answers are harder (take more votes) to delete than lower rep questions and answers.

user55340

3:21 PM

That one took 4 votes... if more people had downvoted things, it might have only taken 3.

user55340

If I didn't downvote things, it might have taken 5.

user55340

If you look at the 10k delete votes page: programmers.stackexchange.com/tools?tab=delete&daterange= the number in parens is the number of additional delete votes to delete.

@MichaelT FIQL, MyBatis, you have words?

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I have many words. Not all of them mean things though.

@MichaelT I'm a fan of "Glarp", personally.

but do you know anything of those techs?

user55340

3:35 PM

@JimmyHoffa I tend to go for 'blarg' and 'bletch'

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I've heard MyBatis at one point, though don't recall the context.

code.google.com/p/mybatis

Upon quick glance it appears simple enough to understand

user55340

> Unlike ORM frameworks, MyBatis does not map Java objects to database tables but Java methods to SQL statements.

user55340

Interesting.

neat idea. something to think about I guess.

user55340

3:37 PM

I'll play with it at some point.

user55340

package org.mybatis.example;

public interface BlogMapper {
    @Select("select * from Blog where id = #{id}")
    Blog selectBlog(int id);
}

user55340

Which then can be done with:

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BlogMapper mapper = session.getMapper(BlogMapper.class);
Blog blog = mapper.selectBlog(101);

user55340

Certainly looks like something to dig into a bit. Though I'm not sure if it will get used here (at work) as we're fairly married to our current frameworks.

@MichaelT yeah, we're doing our whole rearchitecting now so I get to have all the fun for a while.

user55340

3:41 PM

To try to introduce it would be at least two restructurings from now (to change how we do builds)

My boss mentioned it and FIQL to look into when I was talking about my data model approach with him yesterday, he suggested it as something that might mitigate that read-only repo idea I had mentioned or at least that it may give me some design ideas around that

definitely an interesting concept when you consider it maps things to SQL which you get to define and in my case, I could maybe do something similar except using it to map things to LINQ-over-collections statements which I define so as to work on the in-memory data model it'll all be working with

user55340

FIQL tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-atompub-fiql-00 ?

the fact that it lets you define the SQL was the piece that he was suggesting would make it possible to use as an ORM-replacement to stand over top of something that doesn't actually use SQL

user55340

(looks xpath-ish...)

(I'm referring to MyBatis above, haven't looked at FIQL yet, don't even know what it is, he said it's some standards-based query language)

3:46 PM

> pronounced "fickle"

Not how I would pronounce it...

user55340

cxf.apache.org/docs/jax-rs-search.html is the other bit on it. It appears to be designed for working with xml data feeds (like RSS or the like)

@ThomasOwens same, I assumed rhyming with nyquil

@JimmyHoffa That's probably better than my first thought.

se-quil, fiy-quil, made sense in my head. you don't call SQL sickle

I was thinking more like fee-kuhl

3:48 PM

haha

@gnat you're a javahead, any knowledge on MyBatis or FIQL?

@MichaelT actually looks very reminiscent of LDAP

(surprised that you of all people don't see such ;P)

user55340

@JimmyHoffa they appear to be for different problems - MyBatis -> database via SQL; FIQL (apache cxf) -> xml data feeds

@MichaelT yeah, but they're both related to the task I'm after: data retrieval. And they both speak to an idea of which I had mentioned earlier: data access without requiring a repo

user55340

I'd tend to look to MyBatis as its an implementation of its approach. FIQL still appears to be a bit on the handwavy side which is implemented in apache.cxf

For the purpose I have though, I don't expect to use either. Just looking for some design insights they might give me before I put code to editor on my repo approach. Thought some opinions from someone who'd worked with them might aid in gaining any insights I could from those techs

user55340

FIQL and apache cxf are probably more interesting to look at for design aspects though.

3:53 PM

@MichaelT that doesn't sound particularly endearing

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I work with databases mostly - MyBatis appears to have practical application for me. I'm not sure if the age of the xml feeds is gone or still lurks around... and feeds aren't what I work with... so for me, the apache cxf and FIQL is "hmm, thats neat, not sure where I'll use it though" - though the way the query language is built is kind of neat and might have application or design implications thought out if I was writing my own.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Topic for an academic on ?QL design - "compare the origins, influences, design similarities and differences between LDAP, SQL, XPath, and FIQL"

4:10 PM

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A: What are the advantages of myBatis over Hibernate?

Since the question refers to my comment, here's what I had in mind writing it. First of all, it is derived from the context of your original question. In other circumstances I could give a different advice. The point that made me suggest MyBatis is this: ...we encountered some performance pr...

^^^ rather nope than yep :)

can't remember anything about FIQL, didn't happen to come across it

why not monads?

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A: How to create better OO code in a relational database driven application where the database is poorly designed

Object orientation is valuable specifically because these types of scenarios arise, and it gives you tools to reasonably design abstractions that allow you to encapsulate complexity. The real question here is, where do you encapsulate that complexity? So let me step back a moment and speak to w...

4:25 PM

@gnat ;P Monads are an API implementation approach, they don't necessarily speak to architectural decisions, though they can open up some architectural possibilities not otherwise available sometimes...

@gnat that's kind of funny, I hadn't at first thought considered the approach I mention there, but now that you remind me... it's definitely not a bad idea. I'll have to mull it over in my head a bit because anything like that always risks my colleagues looking at the code and not recognizing the design therefore being unsure how to be consistent in it's maintenance

user55340

A properly placed monad can solve any problem...

an improperly placed anything can cause any problem

user55340

Child crying? Give them a book on monads. Can't get to sleep? Read a book about monads. Think you're confused? Read a book about monads.

@MichaelT Want a burrito? Read a book about monads.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa No, thats "answer a question about monads on SO, go to SE's office and demand that you get a burrito for your rep"

4:30 PM

@gnat So you sound complimentary, and my reading there tells me you saw what appears to be the case from glancing at the tech: It keeps things simple

@MichaelT haha, I really do need to go downtown sometime over my lunch break and just start banging on the door and asking for food.

@gnat the actor model approach I mention in that answer is kind of what I'm aiming at in my implementation right now, though unfortunately I can't go full-actor model, asynchronous reads would seem like pointless complexity to my peers. Monadic reads would at least be synchronous, and if I wrote some combinators, they may well find the monadic approach not too difficult, behaving similar to LINQ. I feel like an idiot now for not thinking of that approach after having written that answer lol...

It's surprisingly similar to what I (think) MyBatis is doing design wise; though it would have a different API because I'd make it combinator driven

4:52 PM

@JimmyHoffa speaking of idiots, look at me. :) Back then, I bountied your answer for a general craziness feeling it gave me, without giving much thought to the content. It was only several months later that I stumbled over it yet again, gave it a more thorough read and found out that content deserves every little point in that bounty and probably a bit more

Thanks, I always appreciate knowing my answers seem crazy, bonus points anytime I make them only seem crazy... ;)

5:13 PM

Hello there guys

Simon André Forsberg

Hey programmers people

Just a quick question about a possible migration

Simon André Forsberg

@Vogel612 OK then, you got here first... you cover this one! :)

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Q: Exception Handling with `instanceOf` rather than `catch`

Would there be any reason to use the following code? public void foo() { try { bar(); } catch ( Exception e ) { if ( e instanceof InterruptedException ) { // do something } // log error } } rather than adding another catch(Interrupted...

java exception-handling

@Simon sure thing

this here is the question in question.

We'd like to hand it over to you, but we feel it might get closed as opinion-based

Problem is it's not really on topic at ours either...

Wait. It's really National Something on a Stick day?

I thought you guys were nuts.

5:22 PM

@ThomasOwens was that meant for me?

@Vogel612 no

@amon yea probably not... but we should definitely not take over their chat ;)

The first message was supposed to be a reply to one from this morning. I think I misclicked on the "reply to" button and it never replied to it.

@Vogel612 @ThomasOwens what would be your take on this question? To me it smells a bit of unclear what help you need but maybe that's just me

@gnat well I know that as of now it's almost closed as Off-Topic at Code Review

also in our chat, we thought it might get closed as opinion based, and thus we decided to ask you here before we ask our mod to migrate.

5:31 PM

@ThomasOwens really really.

@gnat It doesn't doesn't seem like a Programmers question. I mean, it's working code that's a really poor implementation choice.

It seems like a good fit for Code Review. I know I'd rip that code up in a code review

@Vogel612 yeah not fit for CR, I recall a lesson learned when we tried to throw a demo-snippet at you instead of working code. I "invoked a spirit" of our moderator to help find out better

Why isn't it on-topic for Code Review?

it's pseudocode...

I don't think this question is a good fit here, as it doesn't pass the question check list in the help center: “3. Is it actual code from a project rather than pseudo-code or example code? […] 5. To the best of my knowledge, does the code work?” etc. This site is about reviewing code, not about explaining why some code may or may not be elegant. — amon 32 mins ago

It's valid Java.

5:34 PM

@ThomasOwens all code must be real, working code, and the asker must be interested in an actual review. This is not the case here. the question is asking: “why would anyone write such code” – not how it could be improved

Assuming bar() exists elsewhere in the code and foo() is a function inside a class appropriately.

If you look at answers, though, they are indicating why it's bad practice to write code like that.

I mean, it's a good, helpful, legitimate question.

@ThomasOwens to me it reads more a snippet to demo particular concept... the fact that it compiles doesn't feel important in the context of a question

@gnat that is the point....

That seems to be the perfect question for CR, or at least how I envision it. If CR doesn't want it, maybe SO? But it's not about a problem, but a coding style thing.

@Vogel612 I know. I gave your six-yes rule a thorough study a while ago :)

5:37 PM

I mean, the code works, so it's off-topic for SO. And it's about code, so it's off-topic on Programmers. I just don't think it should be closed since it's value-adding.

in The 2nd Monitor, 38 secs ago, by amon

@Vogel612 it is, just not here

is there a good way to get "mac scrolling" on windows? that being you can scroll without having the window activated? this drives me bonkers

I just don't understand why CR doesn't want it.

He's asking for a review of his coding style.

we still got a problem.... we defined Pseudo-code as off-topic, and we should and will stick to the rules we imposed upon ourselves.

But it's not pseudocode. Pseudocode would be on-topic on Programmers. This is specific to how Java behaves.

5:39 PM

similar behavior can be seen in C#...

Yes. But I don't think it can in C++.

the point is, the code doesn't actually do anything..

So?

that makes it off-topic for us.

He's asking for a review of his code. Sure, it's style. I couldn't post most of the code I work with on the Internet.

5:39 PM

but that's fine, this is why we ask.

I would have to turn it into something like that and ask in generalities.

@ThomasOwens To cite the question: “Would there be any reason to use the following code?” – that's not asking for a code review. If so, the question would be asking “How can I improve this code I've written, especially regarding exception handling”

So edit the question?

respect the OP when editing

I think we shouldn't just add code or reformulate the core question.

It would violate good edit practise.

Best practices are on-topic for CR.

5:41 PM

@Vogel612 in this case, respect would likely mean close as unclear what help you need and let them sort out what they want

from what you say, you'd deem this question off-topic for programmers / on-topic for codereview?

Yes, absolutely. It's about best practices for exception handling in Java.

@ThomasOwens false. From the help center: “Best practices in general (that is, it's okay to ask "Does this code follow common best practices?", but not "What is the best practice regarding X?")”

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I think that CR needs to self-evaluate, then.

anyway, I think we can agree that Programmers is not interested in this question, yes?

5:43 PM

If someone comes along with a useful question that's generally appropriate for the site and doesn't have a better home, why reject it?

@amon Yes. If you migrate it, I'd reject it and send it right back to CR.

good, then that would be clear.

thanks for your time ;)

@Vogel612 I really think that you need to look at #3 on your checklist of things to ask.

Most people in a workplace can't adhere to that and use your site. I'd even recommend that students not do that, since it could be academic dishonesty, especially if people post code that ends up in their assignments.

I'm also curious as to what licensing issues it opens up, with all SE content under a CC-BY-SA Attribution Required license if it's from a project with an incompatible license.

@ThomasOwens That's a general “problem” on the whole of SE. I don't want to know how much stuff from SO is being used illegally -.-

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@amon That's true. Not just SO, but maybe the Mathematica site as well. It's a pretty broad issue.

just wait till you add the "how much content was created on company resources" factor into this entire discussion

5:55 PM

@ThomasOwens Anyway, regarding academic dishonesty on CR: code can also be posted after grading. The point of a code review in the context of that site is to improve style and knowledge of the programmer writing that code, not necessarily perfecting the code itself. We recently had a few nice questions “I wrote this code for an screening interview and got rejected. What could I improve”, which is a perfect fit for CR's mission.

@amon That's true. However, requiring actual project code opens up a lot of problems. If questions that don't contain actual project code aren't a good fit, I don't expect CR to do well.

Honestly, I don't see why Stack Overflow doesn't take those kind of questions, though.

(CR is doing fairly well, if we ignore the effects of the sleepy first two years of its existence)

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Well, it's been interesting on CodeReview, but we have been tackling our problems.
You may be interested in some of the progress we have made, because it appears that you (programmers) may be running in to similar problems. For example, consider this chart:
http://data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/172449/tagged-zombie-timeseries?Weeks=52&TopTags=15#graph
and compare it with this:
http://data.stackexchange.com/codereview/query/172449/tagged-zombie-timeseries?Weeks=52&TopTags=15#graph
The above show how our unanswered questions are coming down now

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You may also be intereted in your site activity, where it appears that there is a slow decline in activity:
Programmers: http://data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/161411/site-activity-and-votegraph?Weeks=120#graph
CodeReview: http://data.stackexchange.com/codereview/query/161411/site-activity-and-votegraph?Weeks=120#graph

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Q: One-liners and other narrowed-down reviews

Every once in a blue moon, a question gets posted (often as a new user's first post) where the OP is asking a quite specific question about very minimalistic code, for example: if (strstr($url, "?")) { $url = strstr($url, "?", true); } There is something to say about this code, of course....

discussion asking-questions on-topic

^^^ CR guys apparently gave questions like that some substantial thought

I for one would hesitate to tell them it's the wrong way without backing that up

@rolfl are you comparing to CR meta???

@rolfl here as well

6:10 PM

@Malachi no. that is CR Main.

@rolfl I misinterpreted the interface a little bit

Also, out of interest, while your answer/question ratio is healthy, it seems to be trending in a concerning way: data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/166314/…

woot. Just worked all the kinks out and got my common service doodad working. Always nice when you get a whole bunch of little pieces tied together and you can finally see them working in unison, makes you think your design might not be total shit, might even work

user20683

Andy sighting, stay alert

user41796

@WorldEngineer thanks

6:18 PM

Why was that question deleted by Community?

Am I missing something here?

@WorldEngineer Andy and Sock Puppets

@ThomasOwens I suspect account merge made it

6:30 PM

"So let's take CORBA. And write a wrapper around it to make it easier to use. But we'll still use IDL files and stuff, k?" K!"

user41796

@ThomasOwens all of the comments I can think of in reply would get flagged as offensive. Bleh.

@GlenH7 Say them. And then delete them.

user55340

@ThomasOwens I believe its the "the user gets deleted, has only one 0 rep question, community deletes the question as a side effect of cleaning up the user" rather than "someone deleted the question"

Anyway, if anyone has any ideas on how to incorporate distributed, networked, concurrent, and "high-performance" applications into something manageable on an individual/side-project scope, please let me know.

That's something I've been struggling with recently.

Although I could reimplement that protocol on the JVM. I'm just about finished looking at the interface. Doesn't look like I should subclass Socket and DatagramSocket - some of those interfaces don't apply.

@ThomasOwens actors? Akka would be an option, although it may be too heavy-weight for a small project. I wouldn't know, as I have never used it.

6:38 PM

@amon That would work. But I'm not sure what to use them in. I'm terrible with coming up with ideas on things to work on.

7:17 PM

delicious irony:

Not replying to trolls any longer. — user125027 1 min ago

7:43 PM

@ThomasOwens create a simple version of chef; something that you deploy to servers which allows you to manage them, allows them to work cooperatively within user-defined groups for server installation/configuration synchronization

Req #1: Service presents the apt-get API, runs apt-get for you on itself; automatically runs it on other boxes in it's configuration groupping.

not super useful but could be a neat little project

though it doesn't meet your concurrency/high-performance type of task. Stuff like that really has to be data processing; games, enterprise data shit, whatever else. Another idea: Movies/Concerts/Whatever interests you. Write something that trawls google results for these things and tries to intelligently come up with 3 things just from the data that can be found by trawling the HTML of pages google searches give you: Movie/Band, Location, DateTime. You could use something like:

code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowsdesktop/…

oops that's a code sample

I meant to find...

social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/…

that. Cool design approach, fits a distributed model, means to act as an expert system type thing.

user55340

8:16 PM

Hmm... kind of neat. Wish I could filter it better. Reviews (all time, all types via profile): 3011. Close vote reviews: 4198. Wish I could filter my profile reviews to one type at a time so I could see how many of my close vote reviews have ended up in a deleted question.

iduno what SE has done with their login subsystem lately, but it's annoyingly shitty. For some reason P.SE is the only site that holds onto my login. Even meta makes me login every time I idle off of it for 10 minutes... have stopped with normal voting and commenting I would do on other sites because of it.

keep bumping into questions I'd vote on or something on different sites around SE and it's just not worth the annoyance to login every single time I want to vote for one...

user41796

@gnat - clarified your answer on that question just to make the quote a bit more clear. rollback if you disagree

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Other people on MSO have complained about just the opposite.

user41796

For those laughing at the recent drama:

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A: Forced revealing of reputation for new users

Welcome to Programmers Stack Overflow. For future reference, you should ask questions about a site on their own meta site. MSO (here) is primarily for questions about issues on SO and questions about issues impacting all of StackExchange. Meta Programmers is a lot quieter than here, but you'll...

8:22 PM

Down votes are downgrading a person, that's a creative way of looking at it... O_o

user41796

I'm tempted to put a "-1 for not addressing the OP's feature request" comment on my answer

user41796

oh, why not. It's only unicorn poo...

user41796

@gnat - Skeet is sticking up for you!

user41796

@user125027: From your question: "Someone casually and apparently from their own ignorance downgraded it. I corrected them y linking them to the documentation explaining the point they were confused on." That sounds to me like you assumed it was gnat who downvoted your question. Doesn't it read that way to you? And later on in comments: "The user both down voted the question AND ALSO did not understand java." — Jon Skeet 2 mins ago

user15026

@GlenH7 I can't even.

user41796

8:33 PM

@AshleyNunn I know! Isn't it epic?

user41796

I wonder if that OP is the same as the person yesterday accusing the community of criminally violating his UN rights.

user15026

My brain hurts so much. I like their many insinuations that obviously SO/SE is so troll ridden it is doomed. There's obviously no way this could ever be a success ;)

user15026

@GlenH7 What.

user41796

This is the rejected migration version: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/6569/53019

@GlenH7 Okay. What?

user41796

8:37 PM

@dylanribb Go read my MSO answer. The fun comments in the Progs question are gone

Yeah, I was reading through your original answer trying to suss out some context.

@gnat Well he would have had enough rep if he wasn't disparaging you for even trying to answer his question

;-)

I mean, I took it personally my first few downvotes, but then realized it's just a matter of my questions not being a good fit for how the community expects questions/answers to be formed.

I am actually quite shocked that so many people so viciously downvoted and attacked the guy

user41796

@maple_shaft I was going to make a similar comment regarding the downvoting but decided to answer his MSO rant instead

8:38 PM

@GlenH7 Oooohhh he has an MSO rant?!

goodie

link plox

user41796

@dylanribb He did himself in by ranting on MSO about a single downvote. At one point the Q only had 59 views and 6 downvotes. I can guarantee he did it by posting the link in MSO

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Q: Allow new users to hide their reputation

I consider this bullying. I am a new user. I have no reputation, which means I have no power to retaliate arbitrary or unwarranted downgrading. I asked a perfectly sensible question. Someone casually and apparently from their own ignorance downgraded it. I corrected them by linking them to the do...

feature-request reputation

@GlenH7 Yeah. It probably would have remained at -1 if he hadn't drawn attention to himself.

I have to tell myself...

user41796

I'm a little bitter no one has upvoted my snark about -1 for not addressing OP's request

8:39 PM

I am a mod now

must censor snarkiness

user41796

Or at least delete...

user15026

@GlenH7 O.o

@GlenH7 Ha. You got 2 just as I looked at it.

user41796

I laugh when I think about the afternoon where MichaelT and I have troll hunting conversations through deleted chat comments

user55340

@GlenH7 upvoted.

user55340

8:42 PM

I find taking that to MSO kind of funny though.

user55340

On M.P.SE we would have quietly dealt with it, with a few people explaining the specific issues...

The problem here is that the guy doesn't seem to be asking for help, but rather wants to justify his own assumptions, which is, uh, sort of pointless in this context?

user55340

On MSO, they've got the full wrath of bored people on a friday afternoon...

@MichaelT omg... I wondered why this guy was getting torn apart! that is funny

user55340

@dylanribb yep. He has the answer he thinks he wants, and didn't get it.

user55340

8:43 PM

-23

Q: Allow new users to hide their reputation

I consider this bullying. I am a new user. I have no reputation, which means I have no power to retaliate arbitrary or unwarranted downgrading. I asked a perfectly sensible question. Someone casually and apparently from their own ignorance downgraded it. I corrected them by linking them to the do...

feature-request reputation

@MichaelT I'm not bored, you insensitive clod!

user41796

Even Skeet weighed in against the guy

user55340

A -23 on MSO is kind of impressive.

user41796

I'll probably lose my unicorn poo when the question is deleted. <sigh>

@GlenH7 I saw that.

8:43 PM

They should have a gallery of "impressively downvoted questions/answers".

user55340

@GlenH7 MSO doesn't delete lightly... it will stick around.

I feel like I could yawn so hard I could turn my head inside out

user41796

@MichaelT yay! I doubt he'll award me the answer check mark though

@GlenH7 that's ok, in my mind he already did

but I live in a monad, so that doesn't really help you any.

> I heartily recommend Googling "SO sucks" once ina while as I did after posting my question. What you'll find is what I experienced as if this site and those had coordinated my reception. That's when you can be sure- you really have a problem. Best wishes.

I love the internet

you look hard enough, you can find ANYBODY who will vindicate your wrong headed belief system

8:46 PM

@maple_shaft I did that my first day because my horribly formed question got downvoted. Then I got the hell over myself.

user15026

@maple_shaft snorts someone complained somewhere, therefore we must be broken beyond any hope of repair

@dylanribb Me too man me too :)

Well not horribly downvoted, and I didn't react terribly, but I got an ego shock for sure

and it was actually SO

@dylanribb data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/179253

not Programmers

Yeah, mine was SO as well.

user55340

8:48 PM

There is a particular type of question and a particular type of person who can excel in the SE Q&A format. Its actually most people who sit down and think about what they are asking first. SE does well to keep those people... people who don't think about it or don't realize how it works are welcome to head back to Yahoo Answers.

And I was actually banned for like half a day because my questions were so bad (I had just started programming).

@dylanribb plus you kept asking questions about aviatronics, what was that about?

Well its a late day

and its friday

@JimmyHoffa Look, ALL I wanted to know was how a corn dog was different from a hot dog on a stick.

2

later guys

8:49 PM

Dammit.

@JimmyHoffa I think your monad's broken.

@dylanribb when my kid asks for a hot dog, he always requests that it be on a "steeeck" in homage to jeff <something> the ventriloquist dude. Good thing I have a nice set of chopsticks

@JimmyHoffa Jeff Dunham

@ThomasOwens distributed tic-tac-toe player. Nodes play against eachother. Constantly. Concurrently. At high performance. :D

9:06 PM

Wow I just expanded the rest of the comments on that MSO post and that person went way more nuclear than I had originally thought.

9:17 PM

I finally came up with the project idea. Plus, it'll let me get to play with the new JDK8 date/time API.

Unfortunately, that means it's highly likely my target audience won't be able to use it.

@ThomasOwens What's the idea?

@JimmyHoffa So, at work, everyone uses pen and paper or a phone app to track time. Pen and paper is awkward and you aren't supposed to use personal resources to track work things. I can even add networking by creating a client/server model to push time tracking reports to a central location.

If I wanted to get fancy, I could bring in Apache POI and generate Word or Excel output.

@ThomasOwens You're going to regret making a hobby project out of that

as a hobby project it will do more and be more...interesting...than necessary. Great for hobby projects, but you're creating something people will use, and at your work. When they want changes to it you'll feel obligated, and a time tracking app? That's pretty necessary, so you'll find yourself maintaining something interesting a year, two years, from now

@ThomasOwens oh god, we use a time tracking site

it's pure crap

even after several generations

user55340

Redmine has the ability to track time via commit messages.

9:26 PM

Also, Derby.

it's mostly so the bean counter can see how "productive" we are

it just means we are encouraged to game the system

user55340

Fixed something, #435 @1h30

user55340

That, as a commit message would log 1.5h against issue #435

@MichaelT No it wouldn't.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa ?

9:28 PM

@MichaelT made you look. It is so Friday.

Honestly, my brilliant idea is blocked by Facebook. Plus, it was really creepy stalker.

user55340

(Personally, I do like the 'log time via commit message' approach if you're using a VCS and everything you work on is on logged issues)

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Gotta post the "don't put Peter's name in audits" on MSO some day.

It was a cross between how LinkedIn shows people n connections away, coupled with Facebook's Graph Search on location and shared interests. However, with the exposed API, you can only get friends of people who have approved the app. Not so useful.

@ThomasOwens I have 2 genuine apps I've wanted written for a good long time

9:30 PM

Of course, it would probably turn into a hookup app.

Everything does these days.

feel free to write either, 1: Service that uses location software + time to detect which movie theatre you're in when you use a phone, has a constantly maintained (automatic and or manual) list of current trailers with the movie release date.

Use case: User see's a trailer they like in the theater, pulls out their phone, open your app or website, it lists trailers they may have just seen (ordered by popularity) they choose the trailer they just watched and it brings up a dialog for alerting options: SMS, Email, Synthesized Voice phone call. Puts it on the schedule for that user, when the m…

@JimmyHoffa After "use a phone", I just mentally replaces the rest with "notified the world that a jackass was using a phone in a theater so he could be punished".

@ThomasOwens Yeah, I figure people think that way, but it makes zero sense.

During trailers, someone pulls out their phone, silently pushes a few buttons, if they bothers people; they're just looking for reasons to be bothered

Actually, Google Now does that. I Googled a trailer that I saw in a movie. Close to release date, it was like "you searched for this movie - it's coming out soon".

Google Now is kind of creepy.

@ThomasOwens I'm sure it does; the key I want is for it to just come up with the immediacy of having the trailers listing

+ the alerts

9:36 PM

Speaking of alerts, when am I going to get my damn Google Now cards in Chrome? brb

you don't have to search for anything, and it could probably predict which trailer you just saw so it would be in the top 3-5 which would likely all fit on one screen on the phone

@ThomasOwens Isn't that available now?

Or wait.

@dylanribb It's supposed to be rolling out.

Only if you currently have a Google device, currently.

I have a GNex.

9:37 PM

support.google.com/chrome/answer/4414004?hl=en

There's no box for Google Now in the settings menu.

Are you signed into Google in Chrome?

Yep.

What version of Chrome are you running?

I have 33.0.1750.154 and it says it's up to date.

Version 33.0.1750.152

Mine also says up-to-date. Weird.

Windows or Mac?

9:39 PM

Mac.

I think Windows had a security patch that moved from 152 to 154.

Ah, gotcha.

I remember Chrome updating two days in a row, or some other really unusual rate.

But yeah. A lot of the project ideas that I've come up with are kind of stalkerish. Like pulling geotagged data from social networks and streaming all public posts in an area of interest.

hi guys

A feature could have been logging in to these services and adding posts shared with you to the stream, as long as they were geotagged and in your area of interest.

9:41 PM

how do I use SOLR to have a small search engine

@Shahar You might be best served by running through the Solr tutorial here: lucene.apache.org/solr/4_7_0/tutorial.html

Also when should I use SQL's LIKE over Solr?

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Meta effect. Originator: Mat (?) Mentioned: MSO comments, Sep 8 2011 Background: Increase of voting activities observed in main site posts that have been exposed at meta. Most ironic when someone complaining to Meta about "unfair downvotes" on another site gets more downvotes. Also s...

user55340

@ThomasOwens There's a "avoid that guy" app out - uses geotagged info to warn you of "Bill is in that bar, you probably don't want to go there tonight."

9:56 PM

@MichaelT That's both awesome and creepy.

user55340

@ThomasOwens You wanted stalkerish.

user55340

news.discovery.com/tech/apps/…

user55340

> Keeping up with your laundry list of social media accounts can be exhausting. In fact, you may be considering declaring social bankruptcy. For all of modern technology’s promises to facilitate connection, let’s face it, we all know a few people who we’d rather avoid. Online, a simple block, unfollow or unfriend takes care of that. But what about in real life? Thankfully, there’s an app for that.

There's a lot of interesting data, just looking at public streams.

Aaaand I'm glad I just dumped my social media accounts.

Because of you creepy stalker people.

user55340

9:58 PM

itunes.apple.com/us/app/cloak-incognito-mode-for-real/…

Unfortunately, they are often difficult to get. The full Twitter firehose isn't public, Facebook somewhat cripples their API.

Friday. 4. This. Day. Must. End.

@JimmyHoffa It's only 3 for me. =(

@dylanribb try harder

@JimmyHoffa time++

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