@StephanLehmke Did you notice Pullquotes not working? Should @JosephWright unfreeze the From Answers to Packages room?

@egreg ah. I was just staring at tracingall (utf8 classicthesis:-) Is that a "known feature"

@DavidCarlisle I guess it's a known feature of soul.

It possibly works with soulutf8.

No, it doesn't.

@egreg :-)

@DavidCarlisle You should look at how classicthesis redefines \section.

@egreg This works, soul should do it locally (I would guess)

@DavidCarlisle microtype's method is more robust

@egreg sure, but may presumably make differences everywhere if you have a document using soul but not microtype you might want a less invasive change (and I might prevent you getting a tick)

@DavidCarlisle You can't prevent that any more

@egreg :(

Ack from SP. :)

@PauloCereda It seems that you like the big city very much. ;-)

@egreg I have no choice. :)

Hi all, I created example of using tikz -> svg, mathml + mathjax and webfonts with tex4ht

michal-h21.github.io/samples/sebastian/html5.html

code is here:

@michal.h21 nice, feel free to mention it on www-math@w3.org, we're always happy to see announcements of improved mathml support

if there is a mod here? one of the links in the comments here (second comment) in top answer tex.stackexchange.com/questions/120271/alternatives-to-latex  sends one to a site with virus:

3/17/2014 11:02:59 AM	HTTP filter	file	mengensatz.de/blog?p=89	JS/Agent.NKW trojan	connection terminated - quarantined	me-PC\me	Threat was detected upon access to web by the application: C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe.

someone should really look at this and remove this link.

@Nasser You can flag the comment, can't you?

@TorbjørnT. what does flag comment mean? I wanted a moderator to look into it. I do not know how to let them know. Will go see now if there is a flag I can use.

I see it now. Yes, will do that. did not know about the flag !

@Nasser I've taken a look: while the site doesn't seem to have been updated for a few years, I don't see anything unpleasant when I try to load if from where I am now

@JosephWright I am on windows, running firefox. Windows 7 64 bit. All latest. I have latest antivirus. And I get virus detection each time I try to see the page. You might be getting the trojan attack your self and not know it if you do not have good antivirus software? I can go back to that site and show you the actual virus screen shot from firefox if you want?

@Nasser I'm not saying I don't believe you

@Nasser There is a suspicious line in the HTML:

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@Nasser The comments below also mention the same thing, by the way.

Yes. I saw it after I clicked the link.

:14331415 I've decided I'll remove the link: that source line is not a great sign, and with no apparent site activity it's possibly open to all sorts of stuff

@JosephWright thank you

so many spam and bad web sites out there.

@Nasser This case doesn't look like spam: just lack of maintenance leading to issues

If anyone has a spare vote, that could get tex.stackexchange.com/questions/149359/… off the unanswered list.

One thing is missing with this whole tex/typesetting systems is this: One uses computational tool to generate results. Then typesets a document using these results (copy them). So, when they change the computation for some reason, they have to re-type, update the latex document. This is very error prone and slow. When I use Mathematica for example, the computation and the typesetting is all in one document. All what one needs to do is just run it again, and everything gets updated....

@TorbjørnT. Done

Only problem is that, Latex typesetting looks better.

@egreg Thanks.

Latex export from Maple and Mathematica is bad as well. (well, not as good as typing it manually). But then one has to manually update each time they change the computation results.

This process is not right.

@Nasser Would you really want to fully automate: what if the conclusions should change as a result of a re-run?

@JosephWright, I do not mean the "conclusion", I mean the intermediate results between equations. The numerical values that is generated when running an algorithm step by step. I typeset these in Latex. When I rerun computation again, and some results change, I have to go back to latex, look for these and manually update them.

@Nasser That's why people using R like sweave/knitr whatever it's called, as far as I understand it (not tried it) basically you let the computation engine generate the whole thing and mix code and text blocks in the same file.

@Nasser well don't manually update them:-) computers are good at that sort of thing.

@Nasser I guess this seems more natural to me as our 'intermediate results' would be on a range of instruments/wet lab

@DavidCarlisle exactly. But the output is not as good as latex.

@JosephWright here is an example. I am writing this now

All these numbers there. I copied from my Mathematica. So if I change someone in Mathematica, I have to go edit Latex manually.

@Nasser Why do you have all of that stuff in your working document anyway?

@Nasser Or is that the final desired output?

@JosephWright I do not understand? my computation document only has the computation. My report should also show each step done. So I have to copy these values manually from computational tool to Latex editor one by one.

I try to write the Latex when I am sure the computation part is correct, so I do not have to make changes to Latex. But sometimes there is an error and one has to change the computation. Which means the latex document now is out-of-sync

@Nasser The process of getting from mathematica output (whether you use latexform or some other form) to the latex input must be mechanical so you should be able to automate it (in perl or your editor or in mathematica for that matter)

@Nasser So export as say CSV and read-in in LaTeX?

@Nasser Like I say, I'm used to having to type up experimental data, so copy-paste is natural to me

@JosephWright these things of exporting/importing do not really work for me. I have to typeset each equation in latex and put the result right where I want it. Has to be done by hand. Only other option is to do everything using the computation tool, and submit the document as is. But it will not look as good as Latex.

I am just saying this process is too time consuming. Manual updating all the time from one tool to another.

@Nasser I guess I'd say that this is how things are. For us, we find that instrument software is good for looking at the data on-screen and perhaps doing analysis, but rubbish for presenting properly. So we always have to redraw in some way.

@Nasser I don't understand your complaint, you say it's not automated, so when Joseph and I say automate it, you say that you don't want to automate it and you want to do it by hand. You can do either but you have to decide which you want:-)

@DavidCarlisle I think he means that automation doesn't work

@DavidCarlisle I.e. export fails or something

@JosephWright well programs don't work first time. That's life, he should fix the program:-)

I mean, I need the numerical values from computation to go in specific places in the final report. Like I showed in the screen shot above. You can't automate this.

@Nasser Yes you can: load in the preamble into defined macro names and use them in the body

Anyway I was at the big bang show all weekend (thebigbangfair.co.uk) and it seems all this 2D typography is just so 20th Century. Everyone but everyone had a 3D printer.

Depends if the effort is worth it

@Nasser well do that then (just not via manual edits)

@DavidCarlisle that is what I do now. That is the problem. Each time the number changes, I have to update latex manually.

@Nasser well if you are updating the computation often enough that that is an issue, don't update manually, just do it automatically

ALl what I am saying is that Latex is good for typesetting final results, that are not meant to change.

The right solution is for the computational tool to generate report, in latex, automatically. Problem is, many such tools do not export Latex well.

@Nasser for example in your latex you could write $sin(x)= \mmaresultXXV$ then just get mathematica to write a simple text file with lines like \def\mmaresultXXV{0.092} \def\mmaresultXXVI{0.123}... which you \input at the start. No need to edit any part of the document.

@DavidCarlisle thank you for the idea will think about it.

Many of the computational tools now are making it easier to write reports and computation in one place. Maple has a "document mode" now, and Mathematica has many document typesetting support, and Matlab now allows one to use the editor with support for markup. The idea is to use the computational tool to also generate the report, so that no need for this manual copying of results from one program to another.

@Nasser That exact system may not quite fit your needs but the point is there are loads of way of doing it, they differ in whether you take the "natural" output from the generator and then either massage it with some program into natural teX, or if you take that output and make tex work harder to read it (eg it can read csv or xml) or if you program the generator to make something easy to read by tex (as I suggest above)

@DavidCarlisle Did you see my earlier question about that AskUbuntu post?

@JosephWright don't see anything in the log either, ping me again:-)

@DavidCarlisle It was XML that did it: askubuntu.com/questions/434894/…

In fact some people think that XML is no good for anything

@JosephWright a view universally held by everyone working on browser implementations.

@DavidCarlisle :-)

Can someone log in to Math.SE and actually answer the question?

It's amazing that all those fancy answers don't even attempt but just advice the poor guy to not to think about it

@Nasser \thispagestyle

@percusse thank you! I changed it to \thispagestyle{empty} much better

Have you seen the podcast page? We are there, in the right pane :)

blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/03/podcast-56-green-or-red-curae/…

Can we undelete this post?

Is the date you enter as an option for the fixltx2e package the date that appears in the documentation your system has (pulled via texdoc)? How does this date need to be entered?

@percusse In all honesty, I simply trust you now that it's a good thing to do :)

@Dennis it's not really an option to fixltx2e it's an option to \usepackage (and can be used with any package) it is checked against the date given on teh ProvidesPackage line in the file, and complains if the package found is too old

@DavidCarlisle Ah, ok. In general, though, how would I know which version of the package I have and how should the date be formatted? I checked the documentation and couldn't find anything on this, though admittedly I just gave a skim.

@tohecz Added a comment. Thanks.

@percusse you're welcome of course :)

@DavidCarlisle Nevermind the question, \listfiles to the rescue! Trial and error also confirms (or at least I think it confirms) that \usepackage{fixltx2e}[2006/09/13] is the correct way to input the option.