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Braiam

12:00 AM

you sure aren't you the broken one? D:

Seth

@Braiam yeah.

There is a dupe for this:

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Q: Did Ubuntu take away my Windows partitions?

I am a total newbie to the world of Linux. I installed Ubuntu 13.10 from a USB stick after making it bootable. Previously I had XP on this Dell Latitude 610. After the installation I can't seem to find a way to go back to my 2 partitions that should have been left untouched by the Ubuntu installa...

partitioning

@jrg Run this on the election page: gist.github.com/jeremybanks/2913432/raw/…

Seth

12:24 AM

Could someone add a link only answer pro forma here? askubuntu.com/a/124061/44179

Braiam

@Seth what the with the user2 answer?

Seth

I used VLQ

I'm not even going attempt to read that now.

Mateo

link only, not an answer. especially without explanation as what the link is... but then it wouldn't be a link only would it.

Braiam

@Seth got anything to delete?

@Mateo catch 22

Seth

@Braiam No, nothing atm.

I'm going to save some of my votes for tomorrow.

@MarcoCeppi @jrg What would you do in this case? The accepted answer is just a link.. It's certainly both VLQ and NAA, but it is also accepted.

Marco Ceppi

12:37 AM

downvote it and leave a comment?

Seth

I mean you need to handle the flags on it.

Marco Ceppi

yeah, I just declined them

my original point still stands

If you can identify that a post is low quality, then you should edit it instead of flagging

I'm not going to edit the post, I'm a human garbage collector and that's not garbage

Seth

Are you normally against deleting/converting link only answers or did the accept change something here?

Mateo

edit what it says "here a link" nothing else...

not even going to waste my time clicking on a random link

Seth

this --^

Braiam

12:40 AM

I wouldn't really like that people thinks we accept answer that are link only...

Marco Ceppi

so why flag it? you think we have time to waste to click and link and make the answer better?

I'm not going to delete an inaccurate answer, let alone a right answer

Braiam

because this:

> Why and how are some answers deleted?

Answers that do not fundamentally answer the question may be removed. This includes answers that are:

(...)
- barely more than a link to an external site

Mateo

If it explained, here is someone" that has a similar situation, they use "x" to solve with
"x"... I would investigate and add the missing information... as it currently stands it has no information and is not an answer.

Marco Ceppi

> may be removed

meanwhile the system seems to think that even bad answers shouldn't be deleted

This content requires no moderator intervention

Braiam

ok, then why the LQ review queue allow us to delete the answer?

Mateo

12:43 AM

i'm arguing that a link is just not a bad answer - it is not an answer at all. If anything should be a comment.

Braiam

(I hoped to actually push the flag through the queue)

Marco Ceppi

it's just a low quality answer

doesn't make it any less of an answer

it's a link to the ubuntu forums, downvote and comment on the question saying it'd be better to summarize the link

done

no need to flag it

Braiam

... ok, I will propose this, we push it trough the review queue an allow the whole of the community to decide, deal?

Marco Ceppi

teach the user to give better answers, not suggest a moderator or 10k user fix it

Mateo

can accepted answers get in the review queue?

Braiam

12:45 AM

@Mateo yes

Marco Ceppi

there's nothing to push through

that's the way it's been

Mateo

@Braiam hm, ok. interesting

well, ok. but i'm still going to flag stuff like that.

Braiam

@MarcoCeppi but he's active, and can improve himself the answer, then flag it for undeletion. Why we don't do that?

Marco Ceppi

What? Just leave it alone? did it get deleted?

vote, comment, move on

Mateo

@MarcoCeppi deleted? no.

Marco Ceppi

12:50 AM

Right, just leave it

Mateo

that is why I said ok - but I will flag stuff I find like the in the future

@Braiam should I be first to post on the election questionnaire?

Braiam

@Mateo is night here....

Mateo

ah, ok. why not. let all my answers get beat up first...

maybe it would be funny if I did a link only to the Help section for one of them...

Lucio

1:24 AM

Mateo

@Lucio yep, that and the questions on meta :) meta.askubuntu.com/questions/8477/…

Lucio

@Mateo why did you get downvoted?

BTW, thanks for pointing that out

Mateo

@Lucio I edit things...

Lucio

I will upvote to everyone on SO :D

dinner!

ciao

Mateo

that and I think some thought that because I said I wanted primary's I wasn't serious with my nomination

@Lucio later

Seth

2:04 AM

Well, I answered the questions.

I will use chat in the command line from an old Ubuntu Server machine in my closet, @Manishearth. — Undo 5 hours ago

LOL

Mateo

@Seth lol, I said three times for the - measure twice thing and paraphrased it ;)

Seth

@Mateo Yeah I saw that :P

Braiam

@Seth did you saw the link only answers response?

Seth

@Braiam Where? You mean Marco's response?

Braiam

@Seth no, Undo's

Nathan Osman

2:19 AM

Wow... I am taking Django's admin interface and rewriting the templates with Bootstrap.

Braiam

> What's your take on link-only answers that get flagged for not being answers? Should they be removed when flagged, or are they worth keeping around if they answer the question?

KILL THEM WITH FIRE!!! As a programmer, I really hate clicking through link mazes. Also, link-only answers are very prone to link rot - and when that happens, they are worthless. If the link is exceptional, then the answer should be converted to a comment.

Seth

@Braiam Ah yes. I like that answer.

Nathan Osman

The results are nothing short of spectacular.

Seth

Oh? Screenshot :D

Nathan Osman

I'm not done quite yet. (It's a multi-step process.)

But I will absolutely post screenshots when it's done.

Seth

2:22 AM

Hmm. If you remove a meta-package like ubuntu-desktop will it mess things up when you auto-remove afterwards?

Marco Ceppi

@Seth probably

Seth

I thought so.

apt-cache rdepends ubuntu-desktop doesn't give any clues though.

Heh, I wonder who is up/down voting all the questionnaires.

@Braiam I like what we're deleting now. Instead of stuff with answers that people might find useful we're deleting bugs/crashes that are entirely useless.

Braiam

@Seth rdepends are reverse dependencies and the package will only be messed up if you mark the dependencies as automatic. If you mark them as manual they will not be removed even when you remove the ubuntu-desktop package

Marco Ceppi

But why even remove the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, it's how upgrades between releases continue to function

Seth

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A: I have 2 Different versions of nautilus installed somehow, How can I put the 3.6.3 version in the menu in GNOME Fallback?

I don't recommend that you remove the old version of nautilus, because it will remove ubuntu-desktop too. While ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, and nothing will explode immediately, there is a very good chance it will cause dependency issues later on. Instead I suggest you upgrade to a ne...

That's why.

But I think upgrading will be better.

@Braiam Hmm.. Good point

Braiam

2:30 AM

Are you sure that you have 2 version of nautilus? What is the output of dpkg -l | grep nautilus? — Braiam 10 secs ago

Marco Ceppi

technically 12.10 is still supported so no problem there ;)

Seth

> After I wanted to see a document so I opened Nautilus from the menu in GNOME Fallback and I was surprised that I got the 3.4 version! So then I went in the terminal and typed "sudo nautilus" and the 3.6 version showed up! So I had both the 3.4 and the 3.6 version on my screen!

@MarcoCeppi Right, but it won't be for much longer.

Marco Ceppi

true

Braiam

@Seth I'm not sure it matters that the user/root have different versions, it may be that the one he's running as user is the one controlling the desktop while when he use sudo it may spawn a new process

the other explication is that he has nautilus and nautilus-newer binary

because two package can't provide the /usr/bin/nautilus binary, dpkg refuses

Seth

@Braiam I did think that was odd.

Mod want to look into this?

in Ask Ubuntu 2014 moderator elections, 14 hours ago, by DK Bose

@LiarLiarPantsonFire, Dew the Dew!

Liar Liar Pants on Fire

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boot display grub2 grubrescue lubuntu multiple-monitors resolution

Braiam

2:36 AM

wait, are we trusting this image into saying that he has 3.4 with some version string of the menu?

Seth

O_o

Braiam

I bet he doesn't have 2 nautilus versions but one

jrg

@Seth Depends. If it's the first time that the flagger has flagged something like that, I'll mark it as "helpful". If it's a repeated behavior, then I'll decline it.

if they don't stop, then i'll @@ them in the chatroom

(aka, the superping!)

Avinash Raj

2:55 AM

I think he is Utkarsh.Changed his name from portia to Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

Seth

Some totally awesome trolling just happened in the Tavern:

HAMMERTIME err.. something like that.

28 mins ago, 25 minutes total – 198 messages, 10 users, 4 stars

Bookmarked 3 mins ago by Seth

@AvinashRaj yeah. he keeps coming back.

Avinash Raj

query not run data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/946/…

Nathan Osman

@Seth So I read through that... what happened in the end? It was a chat script?

Seth

@AvinashRaj doesn't work for me either.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 17 mins ago, by Seth

!!/help

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 17 mins ago, by The Wobbuffet

@Seth Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 17 mins ago, by The Wobbuffet

Refreshed page, Zirak's bot was running

@NathanOsman -^

Avinash Raj

@Seth is that the query wrong?

Seth

3:10 AM

So yeah, Zirak's bot was running.

@AvinashRaj I think Tim Stone changed something and that broke it. Try again tomorrow.

Avinash Raj

ok

Braiam

3:23 AM

@Seth I loled to tears... ;_;

Avinash Raj

is this OT askubuntu.com/questions/422415/ubuntu-13-10-upgrade-issues?

he wants to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10

Braiam

3:43 AM

this is funny meta.codereview.stackexchange.com/q/999

Seth

@AvinashRaj No, upgrading is in-topic.

Avinash Raj

hmmm:)

Seth

@Braiam That is interesting.

@Braiam And the best part:

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by random

This never happens in Netscape

xD

jrg

Adventures in self-hosting email: O_o

Braiam

really... poor thing

Seth

3:54 AM

@jrg WHY?!?! JUST WHY? D:

jrg

@Seth NSAids.

well, technically speaking, i need to get out of the google plex.

i'm running out of space for my email

that and they keep breaking IMAP for me. I've had several emails get eaten.

just... vanishes.

Seth

I need to get out of Google too.. I have a relative who self hosts. I should switch back to that.

jrg

would you like seth@armyofminions.com?

or anything-except-james@armyofminions.com?

Seth

nah that's ok. Like I said, I have one on my relatives self-host. And a gmail. And a hotmail. And probably one more that I forgot about

thanks though :)

D:

jrg

dang right it's a self-signed cert

besides

wildcard ssl certs aren't cheap

Seth

3:59 AM

@jrg On second though, I might like jonskeet@armyofminions.com ... but nah

jrg

at. all.

Seth

(joking the whole time of course)

jrg

@Seth Advantages of running your own mail server #124551: I can make that happen.

Seth

@jrg I know.. but security :-/

I'm surprised more people didn't answer the mod questions yet..

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

jrg

i look forward to reading the answers.

cya

Amith KK

4:43 AM

-18 votes -_- What a good way to start off the elections

Amith KK

5:16 AM

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Q: possible to run windows password recovery program from ubuntu through wine

I have a program (click for more info) that is very helpful. With registering for so many accounts these days, I can hardly remember the username for them, not to mention the password. I love this program for the fact that I don't have to write down my passwords, and risk discovery. I keep it...

wine password-recovery

Nathan Osman

5:39 AM

Coolest thing ever:

►

I so want to build that.

Amith KK

@NathanOsman I had a screensaver like that xD

I'm doing that in vacation :P

If I get access to a 3d printer

@NathanOsman You can improve on the code

It only needs to erase the minutes

not hours each time

Nathan Osman

I suppose.

Ask Ubuntu Meta

6:34 AM

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Q: review link should show how many posts are to be reviewed

The review link at the top of the page gives us access to review tasks. But it is always white. It would be better it it would be coloured, i.e it should be green when there are posts that I can work on and red when there are no posts that I have privilege to work on. We may also make an feature...

feature-request review

DK Bose

6:50 AM

@AmithKK Where do you see the votes?

DK Bose

7:21 AM

Never mind. I can see them now. But no negative votes.

xiaodongjie

8:27 AM

hi

j0h

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Q: Panel apps try to launch in xterm, even though it isn't installed

I have some panel applications that launch terminals, but when I click on them, they say xterm failed. Well yeah, xterm isn't installed, nor do I want it. I want mate-terminal to come up instead. How do I configure that to happen? This is Ubuntu server 12.04 with a mate desktop. I have MATE Ter...

launcher panel applet mate virtual-terminal

Can I get that deactivated?

or out of the bounty part?

I have my answer.

xiaodongjie

I want a socks & socks5 proxy server on ubuntu.

j0h

catonmat.net/blog/linux-socks5-proxy

@xiaodongjie

xiaodongjie

@j0h ok, thanks.

Rinzwind

@j0h just award yourself the bounty :)

Liar Liar Pants on Fire

8:39 AM

can someone tell me please, what do we say to a CPU that is as small as a laptop in size, i saw it at bank and now i want to buy it. its cabinet looked like a UPS .but was a cpu. and a lot of wires were attached to it(of mouse, keyuboard, screen), it was running ubuntu

please tell

.

fossfreedom

9:08 AM

@j0h what do you mean by deactivated? We dont usually return bounties unless its an exceptional circumstance - e.g. confirmed & acknowledged bug report.

kalina

9:22 AM

woo, 1337 rep

boo, 1339 rep :(

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: How to remove a wrong flag?

I flagged a question (this one) wrongly as off-topic just to realize that it was asked within the support date and that an edit made it look like a new one. Now how do I remove my flag to not cause users to waste unnecessary time with the flag?

discussion

kalina

9:50 AM

also, morning

Aditya

10:32 AM

@Bruno 12.10 is still supported :-)

fossfreedom

yes

Aditya

Why isn't Ubuntu Gnome not mentioned in that link under "Other Ubuntu flavours"?

Journeyman Geek

@kalina: I could downvote you twice if it helps ;p

kalina

@JourneymanGeek I'm well past that stage now

I got a screenshot anyway

that's all that matters

Amith KK

yo

fossfreedom

10:41 AM

@Aditya poke seth-arnold to update the wiki

Aditya

@fossfreedom Our @Seth? Or someone else...

fossfreedom

see the last edited author at the bottom of the page

Aditya

@fossfreedom Ah... doing right now :-)

Amith KK

11:34 AM

searchfgold6789

1:05 PM

I'm confused... There's a kernel but it's 1386-only and it's titled "3.13". >.> kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.14-rc3-trusty

xiaodongjie

Hi

I want a proxy relayer in ubuntu13.10.

Please, help me.

fossfreedom

@searchfgold6789 they do turn up eventually - there might have been a build failure and hence not copied up. Patience.

searchfgold6789

@fossfreedom Mk :P

Braiam

@Aditya Ubuntu gnome remix became official with 13.04, before then they didn't had canonical support

fossfreedom

@Braiam that wiki page is missing the ubuntu gnome flavour - it's not 12.10 specific.

Braiam

1:21 PM

oh... mmm... it never had the Gnome remix...

soandos

1:32 PM

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to do a "local" (per account) install of things that otherwise I would have installed via sudo apt-get?

Rinzwind

1:59 PM

@wilf I won :D

cyril

stupid situation: run laptop for the first time, run firefox, trying to connect to a wifi portal but firefox wants to add a security exception, but is locked because it can't fetch certificate

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: Why do edits to old questions bump them to the top? / Should there be a time limit for this?

This is quite possibly re-iterating something that's been said before, but it is confusing me slightly. The home page for me at the moment is currently a stream of edited posts (at my last count, 35 out of ~50), most of them originally >2 years old, a few already answered, and some of them addre...

discussion editing

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: How to automatically generate .desktop file?

There's a .deb application that doesn't have a .desktop file, I created that file, Say I want to create another package .deb file for that application, when the user install the package, I want the desktop file to be generated automatically and placed in /usr/share/applications/ How to do so?

HAMMERTIME err.. something like that.

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