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12:00 AM
then maybe i can feel like this instead youtube.com/watch?v=SWlyvYl_czg#t=3m35s ;)
 
@UbuntuQuestionsonU&L palmface
 
@Braiam oh, xev didn't work? Hm. That means something is interrupting the keycode.
 
@FEichinger killing twins that is...
 
Hm?
 
@Braiam You can use something like xinit /usr/bin/xterm -- :1 to test xev without having xorg in the way, but when I try that xterm isn't focused so I can't type anything :-/
 
12:05 AM
-_-
anyone got a delete vote askubuntu.com/q/21019/169736
(I think that would need 5 users by the amount of upvotes)
 
I'm not going to vote on that one.
 
0
Q: Questioning a topic close

SeanWhat option does a user have if he/she feels their questions has been inappropriately closed? Can they protest and get the topic reopened?

 
@Braiam done
 
@Braiam you edited and didn't correct gigabyte? sorry i'm getting more disappointed by the minute. ;)
 
12:10 AM
@hbdgaf removing the has priority :P
 
it's the are you hand editing or scripting it out thing. i think you would have caught it with a hand edit.
 
I remember seeing this is not possible anymore somewhere askubuntu.com/q/277329/169736
@hbdgaf ^ ;)
 
@Braiam Judging from the resolution, it's a low-tier display that would need a better graphics driver for OpenGL.
Or a VM, in which case, why would you expect OpenGL to work?
 
@FEichinger most do...
 
@Braiam Basic OpenGL, yes. More recent versions not so much.
 
12:15 AM
@hbdgaf you got a delete vote for this? askubuntu.com/questions/69238/…
 
yes.. for THAT i have a delete vote
 
ok, this might be for you too askubuntu.com/questions/256240/…
 
@Braiam yep
 
Why?
The old excerpt didn't follow the guidelines.
 
12:18 AM
I'm particularly biased against the existence of the tag in first place anyways
 
rejected as not helpful. it's fischer being a dick about closed question stripping out all content about the release and placing a "you're going to get closed" banner instead of doing something useful
 
@hbdgaf You're reject reason is wrong..
 
@hbdgaf Not ... really, no.
It's about this meta Q
 
The wiki guidelines say the excerpt should tell you how and where to use the tag.
 
@Fischer After your edit, the excerpt no longer tells the user what the tag is about. The existing excerpt also - as Braiam noted in his reject reason - already included the information that this version is EOL. Perhaps that should be more prominent, and more directly tell the user this question is off-topic, though. :) — FEichinger 40 secs ago
 
12:19 AM
that's your opinion... i have mine. and it's fine that we disagree. that's what voting systems are for, and why i'm not a mod and don't want to be.
@FEichinger that's fair.
 
can we delete this crap askubuntu.com/q/414668/169736
 
@Braiam sounds a lot like my xmbc isn't working and i'm pissed... i'll ask on AU.
 
> Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot", this version was released on Oct 13, 2011 and is no longer supported since May 9, 2013. Questions about unsupported versions are likely to be closed as off-topic. You should only use this tag if your question is specific to this version.
^-- This would work better, I suppose.
(Not suggesting it, in case anyone else has an idea what to do about this. I mean, it does need a clearer off-topic warning in the excerpt than it has right now.)
 
@FEichinger the last bit might be extra
 
@FEichinger that's fine... altough since it's OT out of the box, it should probably be "this tag was used for questions that were related to ocelot, if you find yourself using it now, you're probably doing it wrong" on the end instead of as a complete overwrite
 
12:26 AM
@Braiam Well, we can drop the last sentence, I suppose.
@hbdgaf Yeh, I can't think of a way of phrasing that that works in a tag wiki excerpt.
(That said, case in point about my "they won't read it anyway": is still the #2 tag (with another 63 added this week alone), despite having an allcaps "DO NOT USE THIS TAG" warning.)
 
@hbdgaf Why did you nominate yourself if you don't want to be a moderator?
> I'm here in case you don't find other candidates suitable and want someone that has been around the site for a while
Do you not like the current candidates? Just curious..
 
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Q: Blacklist the [installation] tag

BraiamWe've created two tags to separate questions that are about installing Ubuntu and installing something in Ubuntu: system-installation and software-installation. This is with the purpose of getting rid of the install tag. There are over 12k instances (and growing! it's the 2nd most popular tag) t...

^ this needs more votes!
 
@Seth i think i explained it fully. i like thomasw, but most of the others i find lacking... and i don't think i would misuse the godcard during spam-waves.
 
(and maybe pocking that severed head)
 
@Seth there are a couple in present company i don't think would be a bad fit , but it's an if you want me to have that card to play eventually here's a way to tag it in.
make sense?
 
12:32 AM
Hmm. I think so. Thanks.
0
Q: What is the usage of disown command?

nuxI hear about disown command , can i know the benefit of using it . How this command help me as a user and the syntax to use it ?

err?
 
@Seth meh...
 
@Seth certainly leaving out verbs doesn't make yourself sound like you're speaking english...
anyway, if anyone thinks i should pull my hat from the ring for any reason, say so. i will. it's just an option i put on the table.
 
I'm evaluating what he meant with "How this command help me as a user and the syntax to use it?"
since it depends greatly what kind of user you are... (I for example don't close the terminal, hence I don't use it as much)
 
@Braiam that's where he left out the verb
How can or how will, not how this.
 
Oh, great ... Tag wiki edit suggestions have a cooldown ... that resets every time you trip it.
... and is a whole 30s long.
 
12:43 AM
nice poke @FEichinger
and there you have it.
 
oh well, lets look at the good side, we can't complain that we didn't get from where to pick
 
it's fine. i'ld vote braiam and seth first which takes my two votes. i wouldn't vote for myself anyway. it's just something to put in the mix that is a known quantity for a known reason. it's simpler that way.
@ThomasW. I noted that you were my first vote anyway... so it's a moot point if you're here for that discussion. I was more expressing that there is no criticism of current company in my statements.
 
1:00 AM
maybe i'm super tired, but maybe I'm missing the context?
oh
 
yes, that.
 
/me yawns and returns to debugging nginx
 
i don't honestly expect to recieve any votes, but it's out there. glad you get it.
 
honestly, i'm glad all of us more veteran users are running
because when i applied all that was there were newbies
and people who think it's just a big stick that they can hit people with without any real knowledge of what moderatordom is
it increases my competition, but increases the chance I actually vote for someone.
 
btw @ThomasW., you lost part of the fun meta.stackoverflow.com/a/221442/213575
 
1:03 AM
heh
@Braiam glad I missed that and instead dealt with the 100 people emailing me saying "Update the nginx ppa"
which I finally did.
so now I can tell them to stop emailing me :P
 
well, i'm going to neglect to comment on that. i am going to say, i don't want to be a mod. i think i expressed that. i also think i expressed that it's just another set of buttons and mod makes you expected to use them. i pointed out that i would use them when it was convenient, but that i would not necessarily use them as often as i would prefer others did.
 
my goal over other goals is to try and be present when our other moderators aren't around
we have that issue quite often here
where we have lag hours where mods are needed but are absent
 
fair.
 
so we either have to poke the CMs (case in point the spam and such)
or rough it
 
and fair.
 
1:05 AM
which makes the community look bad, in a sense
because without at least one mod around, it makes the community look uncontrolled
that's my take on it anyways
... i need coffee...
 
^^ it's my not polar bear coffee meme that isn't mine instead of is... and portrays a specific person's cat who liked to drink my coffee if i didn't keep a handle on it.
 
1:20 AM
(as I who solved the problem ain't able to identify exactly what was wrong nor how exactly was fixed)
@ThomasW. I think is more pertinent the fact he's using raring no?
 
1:42 AM
@ThomasW. that's my goal too. Well, one of them.
 
Well, I never sleep, so there's that ...
Case in point: It's almost 3am ...
 
You'd make the perfect mod!
(maybe some slight sarcasm there.. maybe)
 
@Seth BRB, posting your endorsement to my comment stream!
 
lol.
 
why are we closing this? askubuntu.com/review/close/223673
 
2:27 AM
@Seth flagged
 
flagged*
Cool :)
 
@Seth thx
I thought that comments on /election where going to appear on Notification menu, but they doesn't
 
@Lucio They do for me..
 
How much do you pay?
I'm kidding :P
 
@Lucio lol.
 
2:29 AM
Wow, that is strange :S
Wait a moment
Oh, here it is!
 
cool :)
 
It was under SO stuff xD
I don't know what you people think about @hbdgaf post, but I like the honesty :D
 
@hbdgaf That comment on your nomination lol. It's a valid question, but strange.
@FEichinger Around?
/me's got a JS question
 
Yeh.
 
So forEach, when I'm forEaching through something, is there a way to reference the location the loop is at?
For example, if I used for i I could use i later.
'course you could just tell me to not use forEach since I heard it was deprecated..
 
2:37 AM
Example case?
 
  mutations.forEach(function(mutation) {
    console.log(mutation.type);
  });
I want to use something like this next:
for(var j=0; j<mutations[i].addedNodes.length; ++j) {
 
personally I would use an if statement if there's something you don't want to iterate over
 
maybe I'm just tired.
 
if (condition == true) {break;}
 
2:39 AM
erh.. I'm looping though an array.
@FEichinger As in thisArg?
 
why not using the for loop?
 
@Seth forEach(function(element, index, array) {...})
 
@Braiam I prefer forEach personally. I'm still working everything out though.
 
See the example section on the MDN article.
 
@Seth you will get the idea: paste.ubuntu.com/6946707
 
2:41 AM
@FEichinger ahh.
 
@Lucio Doesn't work.
 
Ideas always works :)
 
In JavaScript, foreach takes a callback, which - for scoping reasons - shouldn't be able to access that global variable.
 
i had a C instructor look at me like i was gargling peanut butter b/c i used foreach in pseudocode
 
2:42 AM
(Because technically in JavaScript, functions are variables, and that shit would get messy otherwise.)
 
hmm
 
@FEichinger oh serious? that sucks
I need to try it..
 
JavaScript sucks, yes.
 
So just a simple:
  mutations.forEach(function(mutation, i) {
?
 
Should do the trick.
 
2:44 AM
So i becomes the index?
 
Yep.
 
@FEichinger Cool.
That was... over simple.
 
This is why you people need to learn to read the documentation.
It's all explained perfectly well in the documentation.
 
"Nobody knows" is actually in the man pages...
 
I'm really bad at understanding documentation.
Not to mention I read the wrong doc page for forEach.
but yeh.
 
2:45 AM
@Seth don't tell me you read w3school?
 
@Braiam no, but sometimes I do. People need to get over that fact.
 
@FEichinger Hey you've lied to me, it works!
 
@Lucio I said it shouldn't work.
It can cause a huge mess, if you use a referenced function instead of an anonymous one.
 
Whatever, js is still creepy when talking about scope.
 
3:01 AM
That's why that's a stupid idea.
And will mess up a lot.
This is how it can be fixed: jsfiddle.net/tT6Sc/2
And this is how it looks if you stick to referenced functions instead of anonymous ones, but still reset value. Messy and bound to cause problems with maintenance: jsfiddle.net/tT6Sc/3
Long story short: You really don't want to use global variables for that.
 
 
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4:07 AM
0
Q: What should I do when I see broken links in questions and answers?

DK BoseI'm find some links which give messages like: Firefox can't find the server at xxx.xxxx.xxx. I check whether it is down for me or everybody and "It's not just you!". Should I edit such questions or answers to make it clear the links are dead? What if they come back to life? I'm not sure my...

 
4:19 AM
Don't we have an official dupe for this?
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Q: How to add Medibuntu public key?

QurratulainThis is the error I get when updating Ubuntu: W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://packages.medibuntu.org precise InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the pub...

 
@Seth yeah, removing. medibuntu is dead :/
 
I mean a master question about what to do now?
 
Oh god.
Have they changed something about the flagging system again?
 
Like what?
 
I'm not sure, I'm getting randomly missing flag options and I can't find a pattern.
 
4:25 AM
Examples?
 
@Seth that question doesn't ask about that, is not dupe of anything is just cruft that can be deleted
 
(Not exactly the part I'm facing, but the part where flagging options are just invisible for whatever reasons.)
 
how was called the prefered applications thingy in gnome2?
 
what?
 
4:39 AM
I remember it had a name
and a package...
 
 
@Seth pre 12.04
 
Well ... Pops undid an auto-delete.
 
but why? No comments..
 
4:44 AM
mm... yeah, but why?
 
I suppose because auto-deletion is sometimes wrong and they figured this was a salvageable post.
But considering it's literally asking "Whose bug is this?", it should be closed and deleted again ...
 
I think the first Q can be answerable... the second.. mm...
 
removed the second question
 
now, someone that knows phpmyadmin (@Lucio)
 
Anyone who knows phpmyadmin enough to answer the question should be burned at the stake.
(Read: Anyone who actually uses phpmyadmin outside a dev environment should be burned at the stake.)
 
4:52 AM
man, I tried to look for a bit at the documentation and either is not possible or is not documented how to hack it
 
I get oops.
 
@Ravi I am on mint 12, but it works on every debian based os, the idea is to locate the files and delete them and updatedb, nothing so special about it — Someone Like You Apr 19 '12 at 9:44
delete votes...
 
@Braiam Definitely not Someone Like Me.
I would never use Mint.
 
lol, who's voting to undelete this
 
I've got to decide who to vote for in the SO elections.. mmm.
 
5:01 AM
I've got to get the medals just for clicking the elections page
 
And I just realized I still have only 101 rep on SO.
 
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A: What should I do when I see broken links in questions and answers?

Amith KKYou can do a variety of things to remedy this: If the OP is relatively active, then comment on the post, and let him/her know the link is dead If you do not receive a reply, you can try to find a link that is similar to it, and if you are sure, change the link in the post If you are unable to f...

Is this answer comprehensive enough :?
 
@FEichinger You need to fix that.
 
Naah.
 
should we close this askubuntu.com/q/233438/169736?
 
5:05 AM
@AmithKK Seems good enough for a start. Try to discuss the different types of broken links, 404, 500 errors, etc. They each need different handling.
 
The questions on SO that I could properly answer are about PHP, JS, and HTML.
JS questions are usually jQuery or node.js, so fuck that.
HTML questions are mostly CSS3 and HTML5 nonsense, so fuck that.
And PHP is PHP, so fuck that.
 
You should fuck SO too :P
> Don't worry, you're not supposed to be able to read the text on that; just look at the shape. The single largest block of questions in the queue right now is attached to the php tag, amounting to about 10% of the entire queue.
okey..
 
The thing with PHP is that there are so many people out there who have some sort of knowledge of it.
WordPress devs are the worst.
Add on top of that that PHP is inherently a bad language, and you're bound to get idiots asking crap questions on a daily basis.
 
man really, this is funny meta.stackoverflow.com/a/211043/213575
 
What's up with so many "Unclear what you're asking" posts?
 
5:16 AM
@AmithKK Huh?
 
@AmithKK there aren't actually as many unclear as there should be... the gross is in bad dupes
 
But most of them are asked today.
And they weren't given time to improve on their question
 
They're not supposed to be given time before we close.
That's what we have reopen votes for.
Once the post is closed, they can edit it and it gets pushed to the reopen queue.
 
Right. Ok.
 
But keeping posts open hoping they might at some point get fixed just leaves us with lots of posts that never end up closed, because nobody goes back to closing them anymore.
 
5:18 AM
...
breaths
 
Wait.. wasn't that a dead link?
 
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Q: Please, don't use the edit button in the close queue to correct typos or improve the formatting, you are reviewing to close!

BraiamAs the title says, please don't! This throws the item out of the review queue just by correcting a typo or formatting a bunch of code. The "Edit" button is only helpful in the cases where the question really should remain open or the reason(s) why it could be closed does not apply. When you want...

you still think the Q should stay open?
 
Oh no..
I didn't know that pushed it out of the review queue
 
yeh, it does, here
 
@Braiam Closified :P
Sorry, btw
0
A: Upgrading from the command line?

user228759@petterA sudo do-release-upgrade -d is for devel release If you want to do LTS to the next one just use: sudo do-release-upgrade without the "-d" switch

Isn't that the same as this answer essentially?
0
A: Upgrading from the command line?

Peter SmitYou can do sudo do-release-upgrade for command line updating (This is actually the same as for Ubuntu Server)

 
5:26 AM
np
 
@AmithKK Technically, no. It adds the LTS difference.
But it should probably have been a comment or edit instead.
 
@AmithKK actually I think there should be a dupe somewhere (heck, I'm hell sure there's one)
 
No, that is the dupe.
 
views and linked questions doesn't play a chord for me
 
165
Q: How do I upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu?

rakshithWhat are the different ways I can use to upgrade Ubuntu from one release to another?

this is the same
 
5:36 AM
Well, yeh, I suppose technically we could dupe them to that one.
But it would just create a dupe chain.
 
It does cover CUI and GUI methods
 
@AmithKK I wouldn't duplicated against that one... the first answer is a huge monster trying to cover each corner case scenario when the solution asked is more simple than that
 
Hmm
 
@Braiam uh...
 
5:42 AM
... Well done. Migrating an off-topic post to us.
 
yup
 
and what... www.localhost
 
I was sure that the first rule was DON'T MIGRATE CRAP
 
No, the first rule was "Only mods are allowed to migrate crap."
 
Should it go to serverfault?
 
5:43 AM
palmface
no, should be closed as OT in the source site...
 
And the second rule was "SE staff is allowed to mess everything up because reasons." Do I sound cynical enough yet?
 
man, lets close that... (I don't have votes)
 
Neither do I!
 
Voted... 2 votes left to me
 
And I don't get any votes either. :(
 
5:46 AM
We need a bit more close votes, don't you think?
 
0
Q: How do I flag a question which seems more appropriate on android enthusiasts?

aditya patilWhile flagging questions,we have an option which says This is not about Ubuntu. Questions about other Linux distributions can be asked on Unix & Linux, those about Windows on Super User, those about Apple products on Ask Different and generic programming questions on Stack Overflow. But what abo...

 
@AmithKK I'd vote as unclear...
 
@AmithKK 12.10, for one.
 
6:02 AM
@AmithKK Whoa.
 
Cue @NathanOsman moving to Utah...
 
No, no, no, no, no.
 
while you are conjuring magic @TimPost, could you make Justin Beiber vanish, please??? — Amaterasu Feb 12 at 7:28
 
Anyone who changes their name to "Summum Bonum Amon Ra" is a bit too weird for this penguin.
 
@Amaterasu The incantation you're looking for there is Deporte' Beiberiste - but you have to say it three times in front of a mirror in a dark bathroom after coding something in a language that starts with B. — Tim Post Feb 12 at 8:11
 
6:06 AM
@AmithKK ... Sometimes, he is evil.
 
 
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7:55 AM
morning
 
8:14 AM
good day
 
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Q: mondays=less moderation=spam waves=ignored questions

aditya patilI have seen that on Mondays, there is a tsunami of spams(including duplicates and other flag-able questions and those requiring edits). Such questions remain in the newest list because there are very few people moderating on Mondays.As a result, good questions are also swiped away by this wave an...

 
 
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9:22 AM
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Q: /sys/class filesystem on Linux

BerserkEVAOn Linux (Ubuntu 11.10 on a ARM processor in my case) I was looking for a way to measure CPU temperature. I found out that a cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp did the trick. Now I wonder: what is the /sys/class filesystem meant for?

 
9:45 AM
@AskUbuntuMeta - what's the polite way of saying "what a load of crock" ...?!
 
10:00 AM
lol
 
@fossfreedom no! 11.10 is eol :=D
 
think we need to EOL all meta questions over an election period
 
Morning all
 
hey Mitch
 
Oli
10:07 AM
Morning @Mitch
 
and Oli and Fossy :)
 
@Rinzwind How come you're not nominating yourself?
@Oli o/
 
@Mitch not a good idea :=)
 
@Rinzwind How come?
 
been there done it on a dutch forum and it is not good for my health
 
10:11 AM
Ok..
 
@Rinzwind call me Doctor foss ... we'll make you better
 
lol
 
@fossfreedom your chest is too small :=)
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me have super powers
 
2
Q: Software versions in Ubuntu Software Center not up to date

ЯaffaelSince Dec 31 2013 Octave 3.8.0 is available. But Ubuntu Software Center is still offering only version 3.6.4 to me - which is availabel already since mid 2012. What can I do about that? My question is referring to "Octave" as a practical solution vector to what I assume is a broader issue with...

let them loose on this then ;-)
this is going to get messy soon :D
 
 
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12:51 PM
this shows the raised helpful flags on meta only?
not in the main site?
 
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Q: Different helpful flag counts in election entry and profile?

Amith KKThis is the helpful flag count on my profile: And this is the one on my nomination Which is quite different. Is this normal and am I overlooking something obvious or is this some sort of bug?

 
@FEichinger i see that question, he take a screenshot of helpful flag count which was on his meta account.During the election only meta helpful flags would be displayed?
 
No, that's off his main account.
 
Only general(nonspam) flags are displayed
 
but i didn't see any helpful flag count field on my meta account
 
12:58 PM
@AvinashRaj Because you have 0 helpful flags on meta.
 
My main site account shows 624 helpful flags
 
Yes, meta and main site flags are separate.
 
which one is displayed during election 624 or 0?
 
~550
 
how?
 
12:59 PM
You people have access to a creepy lot of info. @.@ — jokerdino Jan 4 '12 at 12:57
 
It will use the main site account's helpful flags.
 
The irony.. is lol
 
But it won't use all those flags - only the "normal" ones described in the meta answer I linked to.
 
public class A {
    int val;
    public String toString() {
        return val + "" + this;
    }

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        System.out.println(new A());
    }
}
 
@FEichinger you mean moderator attention flags only?
 
1:02 PM
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A: Different helpful flag counts in election entry and profile?

minerz029It's normal. It's caused by differences between flag types. As you will see if you click the helpful flags number on your profile, there are 4 categories of flags (shown on the right sidebar): "Normal" flags This category is basically defined as a flag which doesn't fit into any other catego...

It will not consider spam, offensive or comment flags.
 
542 moderator attention flags
523 deemed helpful
13 declined
6 dispute
 
1:20 PM
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Q: solution to rotate log files

Marcus Junius BrutusI am running a daemon process that will have to run indefinitely (a 'service' so to speak) and wish to log its output. A simple solution like: ./long-running-process > log.out & ... fails as the file log.out: soon exceeds the size that I can easily handle with a text editor like emacs or vi ...

 
1:55 PM
Any thoughts on pulling the nomination? It was recommended by Shog9, so if anyone on site agrees I'll pull it.
 
0
Q: Fedup fails to update Fedora 19 to 20

That Brazilian GuyI'm trying to upgrade my Fedora install from 19 (3.12.8-200.fc19.x86_64) to 20. I have installed and ran fedup, it creates a new entry on the boot list but a progress screen is briefly displayed and then it reboots back to Fedora 19. Here's what I tried: # yum install fedup # yum --enablerepo=u...

 
@minerz029 wow :-)
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Q: Grammatical error in the SE Content Policy

minerz029Content Policy - Stack Exchange In the second paragraph, there is this sentence, error bolded by me: We reserve the right to immediately suspend, without notice, any content, account, or IP address which we determine to be submitting spam or potentially other damaging or disruptive content t...

 
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