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question: if i rework the question, then goldilocks answer won't make sense. i actually think the question was perfectly reasonable. I added a number 3 there, which is more concrete, namely

3. Describe the process and criteria used by Debian to add software to the Debian archives.

Faheem Mitha

12:10 PM

Alternatively, I could just post another question with similar content. Thoughts?

Faheem Mitha

12:46 PM

Goldilocks also doesn't see why this question was closed, so he voted to reopen, and so did i.

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Q: Exploding amount of debian source code lines

According to the table at the Source lines of code article at wikipedia, the amount of debian source code lines rapidly grew to over 324m LoC in 2009: 2000: 55-59m 2002: 104m 2005: 215m 2007: 283m 2009: 324m On the contrary: Linux kernel 3.6: 15.9m Mac OS X 10.4: 86m Windows XP: 45m ...

source

Faheem Mitha

1:03 PM

@MartinvonWittich see above.

@Anthon see above

slm

1:14 PM

Has anyone else seen this product?
http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download
What's the big excitement, it's nothing more than a portable version of virtualbox that you can run from windows, is it not?

@MichaelMrozek - there was something fishy w/ this Q&A today:

0

Q: Make a bootable CD without ISO file but from a CD

I have a Windows XP CD which I want to install on a USB Drive. However my own CD drive is broken. I have a friend's laptop on which Windows 7 is installed (and no idea if it has a CDROM of not). Please tell me how to do get the ISO from the CDROM to an USB pendrive? I am using Debian 7

debian windows usb cd bootable

The accept got switched from me to that new A by anonymous, community just then deleted that U's A???

Here's what it looked just after the accept got switched.

vasa1

1:35 PM

@slm that person has been playing tricks with different user names here and in Ask Ubuntu.

Martin von Wittich

@FaheemMitha The question seemed pretty strange because I thought it would be obvious that "the source code of Debian itself" didn't grow that big, but that they just added a lot of packages

I've voted to reopen it now

slm

1:56 PM

@vasa1 - interestingly so they either gained access to the user acct. Dew (Utkarsh) or they had that acct. laying in wait all these months.

Faheem Mitha

2:07 PM

@MartinvonWittich I think it is poorly worded. I think he meant the packages. Why not reword it for clarity?

Martin von Wittich

@FaheemMitha be my guest :)

Faheem Mitha

@MartinvonWittich Ok, I will. :-)

Braiam

@FaheemMitha eeekkkk! that question sounds like we could write a book about it D:

Faheem Mitha

@MartinvonWittich Actually, if I reword it, that will make @goldilocks answer seem pretty strange.

@Braiam I don't think so. I think he just looking for an overview of what is going on with Debian's growth. Poorly worded perhaps, but a reasonable question.

Faheem Mitha

2:58 PM

We need two more votes on that question to reopen. Anyone?

@strugee?

slm

@FaheemMitha which?

Faheem Mitha

0

Q: Exploding amount of debian source code lines

According to the table at the Source lines of code article at wikipedia, the amount of debian source code lines rapidly grew to over 324m LoC in 2009: 2000: 55-59m 2002: 104m 2005: 215m 2007: 283m 2009: 324m On the contrary: Linux kernel 3.6: 15.9m Mac OS X 10.4: 86m Windows XP: 45m ...

source

slm

got tired of waiting and scrolled back up, reopened

Faheem Mitha

Rewording is complicated by the fact that goldilocks has already answered. So, I haven't attempted to do so. I basically think the question is Ok - pehaps poorly worded.

@slm Thanks.

One more needed.

gideon

3:22 PM

hey guys!

I really need some help! :'( Falling short of losing my mind.

I posted this question about compiling a C program that had a reference to a shared library.

3

Q: something is terribly wrong with pkg-config

I've been having a harrowing time lately just trying to get several C programs compiled because I can't find where the libraries are located and pkg-config seems to be out of order. I installed GNU GSL like this: wget ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gsl/gsl-1.15.tar.gz tar xvzf gsl-*gz cd gsl-1.15 ./conf...

fedora pkg-config

While my problem is solved, it showed up again!

And I haven't really become more knowledgeable to solve it!

I''m trying to compile the xv6 kernel from MIT open courseware and this is what happensL

$ make 'GCCPREFIX=~/cross/i386-elf/bin/i386-elf-'
+ as kern/entry.S
/home/gideon/cross/i386-elf/bin/../libexec/gcc/i386-elf/4.8.1/cc1: error while loading shared libraries: libmpc.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
make: *** [obj/kern/entry.o] Error 1

I have this:

$ make 'GCCPREFIX=~/cross/i386-elf/bin/i386-elf-'
+ as kern/entry.S
/home/gideon/cross/i386-elf/bin/../libexec/gcc/i386-elf/4.8.1/cc1: error while loading shared libraries: libmpc.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
make: *** [obj/kern/entry.o] Error 1

What do I do :'( >

Faheem Mitha

@gideon It is not generally necessary or advisable to paste in your already posted questions here. Everyone can see incoming questions from the feed, and it annoys the regulars. If you have followup issues, ask another question.

Also, questions on the main site will be seen by many more people.

gideon

@FaheemMitha I felt it would have been a repeat question.

Faheem Mitha

@gideon Tacking on your update to the original question would also be an option in that case. Edits automatically put questions on the front page.

gideon

haha. It harbors on a blurry line!

Folks may complain that I should then post a second question.

Anyway, I think I will post a question, but a more generalized one.

Sorry about the trouble :/

Faheem Mitha

3:45 PM

@gideon ah, I see you are in Bombay too. That's unusual.

gideon

4:15 PM

@FaheemMitha haha. Why is that unusual ?

Faheem Mitha

@gideon Don't run into lots of people from Bombay at SE. Particularly not here.

strugee

@FaheemMitha e.g. wobbly windows, Desktop Cube, Expose-style views, magic sparkles, etc.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee If this freezes your desktop, something is wrong, right?

@strugee If you haven't already, can you cast a reopen vote for unix.stackexchange.com/questions/111281/… ?

strugee

@FaheemMitha I was the last one. it's reopened now.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Thanks.

strugee

4:25 PM

@FaheemMitha I've never had a ton of problems with Compiz freezing my desktop. I can see how that would happen though

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Well, it isn't supported on wheezy, which is where i compiled it. I tried to run it on KDE. I don't know if that makes a difference, but I don't see why.

strugee

as a side note, Unity 7 is implemented as a Compiz plugin, due to it requiring GL. Unity 8 will be Qt (Qt 5 added the ability to draw to a raw GL context, so Unity can now use that)

@FaheemMitha you compiled it? why?

I don't know if it makes a difference. I've only tried it with GNOME-family desktops. if you're on KDE, I'd just use kwin. the effects are similar.

at least I think it's Unity 7/8. Unity has gone through so many rewrites I can't keep it straight

strugee

4:45 PM

@derobert are you on Sid with Experimental? impressive

derobert

@strugee Most of my systems are mix of testing, unstable, and experimental

strugee

@derobert ah. one would hope not on the same system

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Someone asked about it for wheezy. It is not available on wheezy, but one can cobble together a version that builds at least. But apparently does not run correctly.

strugee

@FaheemMitha ah. only in jessie, then?

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Sounds... interesting.

derobert

4:47 PM

@strugee No, on the same system

Faheem Mitha

@strugee No, it has been removed completely from Debian.

strugee

@FaheemMitha really. why? it's still in Ubuntu...

derobert

Why wouldn't you put a mix of testing, unstable, and experimental on the same system?

Its mainly testing, with some newer packages pulled in when wanted.

strugee

@derobert OK, that makes sense. I thought you ran a sort of half-and-half system, plus some experimental...

Faheem Mitha

The version I built was in testing; before it was removed. You can get every package that was ever in Debian in snapshot.debian.org; in recent years anyway.

@strugee It was removed from Debian because it was buggy and unmaintained.

No idea why it is still in Ubuntu.

strugee

4:49 PM

@FaheemMitha I bet it's because Unity 7 requires it

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Maybe. Don't know what Unity 7 is.

That Ubuntu desktop thing?

derobert

@strugee Well, every once in a while it winds up being half sid. Depends on how crazy a thing I decided to pull in.

strugee

I used Sid for a while, but I got fed up with it

@FaheemMitha yep. the default Ubuntu desktop shell.

derobert

@FaheemMitha Well, not every package. Ones removed for legal reasons are sometimes removed from snapshot as well.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I stand corrected.

@strugee I recommend stable unless you are an expert.

derobert

4:52 PM

@FaheemMitha This is pretty rare, though. Basically, if it turns out Debian doesn't have the legal right to distribute something then, well, they have to stop distributing it. Including from snapshot. So you're original statement is a good first-order approximation.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Right. Is that like the desktop environment?

strugee

@FaheemMitha I'm pretty good. I'm decent both at debugging problems and APT. I originally installed Sid to try packaging some stuff, but I got annoyed with all the moldy packages and am planning to switch to Arch on that box

Faheem Mitha

@derobert True.

@strugee moldy? you mean old?

strugee

@FaheemMitha ish. it's essentially GNOME with a replacement for gnome-shell, plus a bunch of patches on GNOME stuff.

@FaheemMitha indeed.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Ok.

@strugee packages in unstable are usually reasonably current.

maybe not for the more obscure software.

strugee

4:56 PM

@FaheemMitha I've found that they aren't.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Examples?

strugee

well, it depends on your perspective.

technically there's an emacs24 package but emacs = emacs23. and that really bugs me for some reason.

also, Debian bundles Iceweasel ESR instead of the latest releases. I had to pull from Experimental to get the latest

derobert

@strugee Yep. That's one of the packages I have from experimental on a couple machines.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee If you mean you don't like that emacs defaults to emacs23, I think that is configurable.

derobert

They do that because ESR will have security support, which is important when it hits stable.

Faheem Mitha

4:58 PM

@strugee ESR?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Firefox has two release lines—one which lasts a couple months, one which lasts several years. ESR = extended support release

Faheem Mitha

Ok, extended support release.

@derobert I see. Thanks.

strugee

@FaheemMitha I mean, obviously I can just install emacs24. can you install emacs while still using emacs24? it'd be nice to inherit major version upgrades

but in any case, coming from Arch, I can't stand all the patches

Faheem Mitha

@strugee not sure what you mean.

derobert

Description-en: GNU Emacs editor (metapackage)
GNU Emacs is the extensible self-documenting text editor.
This is a metapackage that will always depend on the latest
recommended Emacs release.

Probably there is some reason they don't recommend 24. Maybe there are bugs and/or third-party stuff that hasn't been updated yet?

Faheem Mitha

5:00 PM

@strugee do you mean when you type emacs you want to get emacs 24?

strugee

@derobert @FaheemMitha right. the "latest recommended", which means it won't do Emacs 24 for a while...

Faheem Mitha

If so, I think you need to mess with the alternatives thing.

root@orwell:/home/faheem# ls -la /usr/bin/emacs
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Jul 31 22:16 /usr/bin/emacs -> /etc/alternatives/emacs

root@orwell:/home/faheem# ls -la /etc/alternatives/emacs
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 31 22:16 /etc/alternatives/emacs -> /usr/bin/emacs23-x

strugee

@FaheemMitha no, I meant that there are two things you can do to get Emacs: one, install the emacs package and get Emacs 23, but be upgraded to Emacs 24 when Debian gives the OK. two, install Emacs 24, have the latest version, but not get updates when Emacs 25 comes out

derobert

Sure. But you just install emacs24 instead. Or better yet apt-get install -y --purge emacs23- emacs24- emacs- vim-nox to fix your problem :-P

Faheem Mitha

@strugee there is an emacs23 and emacs24 package. they both all be installed simultaneously

you can point emacs to anything you want. meaning /usr/bin/emacs, and it should Just Work (TM).

Don't see a problem.

This is true of testing/unstable at least. For wheezy I had to backport emacs24, though I haven't actually installed it yet.

derobert

5:04 PM

@FaheemMitha Yep. backports.d.o doesn't have emacs24. Maybe they took my vim advice.

strugee

@FaheemMitha I know. the issue isn't getting emacs on the commandline to point to Emacs 24. the issue is that I want to install the emacs package but still get the latest Emacs.

derobert

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Ok, but I don't see why you need that.

@derobert funny.

derobert

@strugee sounds like you want an emacs-latest package. Or you could just look through the list of new packages...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I really don't see the problem here.

derobert

5:13 PM

@strugee though, if you want to automatically always install the latest version of emacs... you could ask a question about that :-/

You could probably cron aptitude install '?name("^emacs[0-9]+$")~rnative'

strugee

6:04 PM

@derobert @FaheemMitha it's not actually that big of a deal. I just like to do things the Right Way(tm) and that's using the emacs package instead of the emacs24 package... that's only part of my annoyances with Debian. the others being patching, automagic behavior and being to liberal with package dependencies

e.g. xul-ext-adblockplus as a hard dependency of the gnome package

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Did you file a bug report on this? Debian is usually quite conservative about hard dependencies.

I honestly don't see why using the emacs package instead of the emacs24 package is the right way.

derobert

@FaheemMitha The gnome package is ridiculous

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Details?

derobert

@FaheemMitha Look at the list of dependencies...

and also bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681834

and a few more I believe

@strugee besides, you want gnome-core, probably

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I see.

I don't use gnome, so have no idea about any of this.

I'm not even sure what network-manager is.

derobert

6:13 PM

I'm not sure how you missed Network Manager...

Its useless on a wired desktop. On a laptop, OTOH, it's nice.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert I gather it does network management. :-) I just use /etc/network/interfaces.

derobert

Yeah. If you are using a laptop, and carrying it around and connecting to random wifi access points, /etc/network/interfaces has a lot of limitations there...

Faheem Mitha

Seems to be network-manager's behavior is broken. It shouldn't be enabled automatically on installation.

@derobert Yes, I see. I hardly use laptops.

At least not in recent years.

derobert

Enabled automatically on installation is in general how everything in Debian works.

And really, for the most part, enabling NM doesn't break anything. There are apparently a few border cases.

E.g., if it sees an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, it leaves it alone

So if you had been configuring an interface manually using ip/etc. that might get overridden.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok.

@derobert It is?

derobert

6:20 PM

@FaheemMitha Yes. E.g., apt-get install apache2 and you'll have a webserver running.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert True.

derobert

apt-get install postgresql and you'll have a database running

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Also true.

strugee

@FaheemMitha because you get major version upgrades.

derobert

@strugee Yes... but why do you want a major version upgrade which you don't even know about? And which possibly breaks a lot of stuff?

(If you knew about it... you could just install emacs25)

strugee

6:23 PM

@derobert /me shrugs

I just like trying new things

derobert

I'm guessing that's the logic behind the emacs maintainer(s)'s decision

strugee

to be honest it may just be that my Emacs configuration isn't complex enough yet to break or anything during upgrades

derobert

If you like trying new things, presumably you look at the list of new packages in aptitude (etc.) and would see a new emacs?

Faheem Mitha

@strugee That points to a (conservative) default.

I don't see why you would want it to point to the newest version every time a newer version is released, which is apparently what you want. Even in unstable, this seems like disruptive behavior.

There is nothing stopping you from using the latest stable version, which is usually packaged for Debian.

strugee

@FaheemMitha right, I know.

Faheem Mitha

6:38 PM

@derobert Neither postgresql or apache interfere with basic system functionality, though.

strugee

to be clear, I'm not arguing with you all. I understand your position, but Debian just isn't right for me.

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Ok.

strugee

and besides the mold issue, I don't like the patching and the way it automagically configures the system for you, although again I understand that some people like that

Faheem Mitha

@strugee Yes, some of these things are a question of taste.

strugee

6:54 PM

GNU/Linux: It's About Choice(tm)

casey

7:07 PM

GNU/Linux: Its about telling everyone else why your Choice(tm) is superior

particularly your choice in text editors

gideon

@FaheemMitha ah well, I actually managed to meet an electronics engineer who was a high rep user on electronics.SE and he was so damn helpful. Showed me the right places to buy the right hardware. Are you from Bombay or currently in Bombay?

strugee

@casey YES. see also the Jargon File entry on holy wars which I can't be bothered to look up right now

just kidding

Faheem Mitha

@gideon Both from Bombay and currently in Bombay.

The electronics engineer in question is also in Bombay, I take it?

If by hardware you mean computer hardware, then I'm also interested. What are the right places?

Buying computer hardware around here is a nightmare.

terdon

10:08 PM

720×480 is missing from that list... probably because it's not really a computer resolution. — derobert 28 secs ago

@derobert huh? So is 123x456, only used resolutions should be on that list right?

derobert

720×480 is a used resolution. It's one of the two common ones used for NTSC video. E.g., if you have a NTSC DVD, it's probably at either 640×480 or 720×480.

@terdon and if you have a NTSC TV-out, it's probably 720×480

You should actually be able to get this from edid...

but parse-edid isn't showing it for me. But I'm ssh'ing into a computer remotely to check, since EDID isn't working on my local display

@terdon when you start up X, it'll get printed to the server log file

you should be able to get it from xdpyinfo, but DE often override it to force e.g., 100 or 96ppi

@terdon Actually, xrandr seems to give it, at least when I turned the displays on....

And it seems OP's monitor is reporting sillyneess

terdon

10:31 PM

@derobert ah, OK, never heard of it.

@derobert it does? Not on my system

derobert

anthony@Watt:~$ xrandr -display :0
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3200 x 1200, maximum 32767 x 32767
VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
HDMI1 connected 1600x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 306mm
   1600x1200      60.0*+
⋮

note the 408mm x 306mm at the end of the HDMI1 line

@terdon curious if on your system you have a line like this one in your Xorg log:

[    24.516] (II) intel(0): EDID Version: 1.3
[    24.516] (II) intel(0): Digital Display Input
[    24.516] (II) intel(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 41  vert.: 31
[    24.516] (II) intel(0): Gamma: 2.20

My laptop gives display size as well...

anthony@Heisenberg:~$ xrandr -display :0
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192
LVDS1 connected 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 293mm x 164mm
   1366x768       60.0*+

terdon

@derobert similar, the closest is:

[    39.691] (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-3
[    39.701] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Display (Seiko/Epson (DFP-3)) does not support NVIDIA 3D
[    39.701] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0):     Vision stereo.
[    39.703] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU Quadro FX 880M (GT216GL) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
[    39.703] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 1048576 kBytes
[    39.703] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 70.16.5c.01.06

derobert

"Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-3" ... that'd explain why its missing.

terdon

no useful info about the display though but I currently have an external VGA one connected to the laptop so that may be confusing it

@derobert yup, probably because of the VGA

derobert

No, VGA should work.

terdon

10:37 PM

Mind you, the Seiko thing is my laptop's

@derobert so you still need to calculate to get to 4:3 right?

derobert

Yes, you need to divide them. But if you have that info—appears to be a big if—and if its accurate, then it'll work even if you have non-square pixels. Like old TVs did.

Of course, nowadays, everything has square pixels, so...

terdon

@derobert OK, that's what my original answer did but that gets (slightly) complicated when the result needs to be rounded and when something or other happens. I'm not sure what, someone left me a comment but I don't really get it:

This math won't actually always work, e.g., consider a monitor with a resolution of 720×480. That is 4:3. Probably. Could also be 16:9. Depends on the display. — derobert 37 mins ago

derobert

@terdon your original answer does the math based on the size in pixels, correct?

terdon

@derobert yes

Ah, you're suggesting I use the mm instead?

derobert

And the problem with that is you're assuming pixels are square. On analog TVs, they often weren't.

It should work on digital displays, though. Those always use square pixels, AFAIK.

(Well, unless you set one of those stretch/shrink modes on your TV. But then, that's best ignored)

terdon

10:47 PM

@derobert but aren't the aspect ratios defined in terms of pixels?

derobert

No. A 4:3 (or whatever) aspect ratio refers the the physical, displayed image size

The truth is that NTSC TV didn't really have a number of pixels horizontally. It had a defined number of rows (pixels vertically), but not horizontally. As the beam scans across the screen, it's fed a continuously-varying brightness—remember, it's an analog standard, not digital.

Actual TVs, of course, had finite pixels.

But when people made it digital (to work with computers) they picked either 640x480 (makes pixels square) or 720x480 (closer matches the actual amount of data in an NTSC signal, at the expense of non-square pixels)

terdon

I see, thanks

derobert

Both of those would be output to an analog NTSC signal, to be displayed on the same TV. The image would be exactly the same size. There would be more detail in the 720x480 image, of course.

Then you get another funny thing: 720x480 is the largest picture DVD Video supports (at least with NTSC). But you've probably seen widescreen DVDs. How? Well, you just display that 720x480 video at 16:9.

terdon

huh

cool

derobert

So, in short, 720x480 could be 4:3 or it could be 16:9 and good luck :-P

But what it definitely is not is the 3:2 you'd think it is from dividing the pixel size.

@terdon And now you know more than you ever wanted to about legacy analog video formats

terdon

11:02 PM

@derobert :) yup

derobert

@terdon Aha! Perl's Parse::EDID will read out all the size, etc. data of a DPI string

terdon

@derobert I feel an answer coming on

derobert

Maybe. It won't help OP, as it appears OP (like you) doesn't have good EDID data.

terdon

By the way, did you see Stephane's beautiful one liner:

3

A: Replace a character except last x occurences

If you need to do the substitutions on the first field, best is to use Rahul's awk solution but beware it may affect the spacing (fields are rewritten with a single space in between them). You can avoid it by writing it instead: perl -pe 's|\S+|$&=~tr/./-/r|e' file The -p flag means "read the...

I was quite pleased with mine and then he came along... :)

derobert

11:18 PM

That is nice...

terdon

Whoah, who the hell is the guy with the swastika?

@AzinRelithLofad that's a really ugly avatar you have there

Did anyone else see that? Some guy with a swastika for an avatar named AzinRelithLofad . I couldn't click on his profile for some reason. Please tell me that was just someone playing a sick joke ad there is no asshole like that on this site.

Mind you, anyone who considers that funny is in asshole territory anyway

Gilles

@terdon a persistent troll who's been around SE in the past few days. Flag/destroy on sight.

terdon

@Gilles OK. Has he/she posted anything here?

Gilles

@terdon not that I've seen. Earlier he was spamming AU.

that user is already destroyed, I think chat isn't good at updating the list of users when a user is destroyed while in a chat room

derobert

@Gilles shift-refresh the chat room, and said user is gone

terdon

11:32 PM

and that user name looks like a aagram

azin = nazi

relith = hitler

lofad = ?

ah, adolf, of course

git

derobert

Yeah! Trolls :-(

Anyway, time to go home.

Braiam

oh god... here too?

@Gilles has to be AU...

derobert

Trolls are everywhere on the Internet :-(

terdon

@Braiam there you are. I was surprised you did ot answer this one:

1

Q: Searching for packages using apt-get

I'd like to search for repository packages using package name or package description. For example Search for Zend Search for Ze*d

apt search

Gilles

@Braiam I think he started on German Language and Mi Yodeya

Braiam

11:37 PM

@terdon I was in college ;)

Gilles

he may be prevented from posting by the spam filter by now

Braiam

nah, was with us... he complained about some edit that was rejected because he thinks we rejected it for his avatar/nick...

you can see it here (10k) meta.askubuntu.com/q/8191/169736

terdon

@Braiam I would reject that avatar/nick. I find it exceedingly offensive.

It's like his avatar were an image of a murdered child or something. I feel kinds strongly about this since we have a bona fide neo-nazi party as the 3rd most popular in Greece at the moment.

Braiam

well yeah, I'm more insensible to that

terdon

11:54 PM

You wouldn't if you came to Greece and got beaten up by some pituitary retard with more muscle than neurons who thought you looked foreign...

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