Root Access

DragonLord

6:03 PM

Played a bit of Crysis 2, the game feels nothing like the original Crysis

There's much more emphasis on the Nanosuit

In any case, I'm going back to Crysis and will play through Crysis Warhead before I move on

There's no quicksaving, a consequence of Crysis 2 being a console port

sparkubullet

What is this smiling face for?

I see it often

Anonymous

@sparkubullet it means it's wordpress

Anonymous

stupid "easter egg"

sparkubullet

@PatoSáinz I see this face on non-Wordpress sites too.

@DragonLord You play Crysis 2 ported from console?

Anonymous

@sparkubullet it doesn't have to be wordpress.com to be powered by wordpress

Anonymous

6:09 PM

wordpress.org/support/topic/smiley-below-footer

Anonymous

>

its from http://stats.wordpress.com

and you have a wordpress.com blog, these forums are for self hosted wordpress sites.

DragonLord

@sparkubullet It's the PC version, the Maximum Edition from Steam

Anonymous

it's a tracking pixel apparently

sparkubullet

@PatoSáinz what it tracks? my privacy? what data do they collect?

DragonLord

The game manages to run well with DX11 enabled, everything on Ultra, and high-resolution textures on

Then again, the Dragon is equipped with a Geforce GTX 780M, so it's no surprise

Anonymous

6:13 PM

@sparkubullet omg your privacy

Anonymous

@sparkubullet it's like google analytics but for the blog owner

Anonymous

@allquixotic i fixed my issue, thanks for your help

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic I just wanted to ask if is it bad practice having created a ssh private and public key pair for root@mirrorserver and adding the public key to the git server.

DragonLord

@sparkubullet Like @Pato said, it's probably analytics. It's most likely used to collect demographic information about users (age range, gender, etc.), and it's stored in an aggregate form to reduce the impact on privacy while providing the blog owner with valuable information that can be used to make the site better

That Brazilian Guy

@sparkubullet There is no need to track anyone's privacy. Huge chance it is always on "critically low".

sparkubullet

6:18 PM

@DragonLord did you measure active temperatures of CPU and GPU?

Anonymous

@DragonLord uhm no

Anonymous

age range, gender

Anonymous

i don't know when did the browser send that info

Anonymous

it just captures country, browser, resolution, etc

Anonymous

that kind of data

Anonymous

6:18 PM

lol

DragonLord

@PatoSáinz Google Analytics collects this information

sparkubullet

@DragonLord how do they know my gender and age?

DragonLord

@sparkubullet CPU and GPU are maxed while running, GPU hits 85 C

Anonymous

@DragonLord i've never seen google analytics capture age range, gender

Anonymous

adwords displays ads based on that

Anonymous

6:19 PM

according to the data you are using in your account

Anonymous

and is not used outside google

Anonymous

wordpress' pixel is just browser info, country, etc

DragonLord

Okay, I must be mistaken. I confused analytics with ad targeting information

Anonymous

@sparkubullet they don't

Anonymous

@DragonLord NO YOU KNOW NOTHING

Anonymous

6:20 PM

lol :p

sparkubullet

right they pull info from my Google plus profile.

DragonLord

@PatoSáinz Out of curiosity (and possibly off-topic), where did this meme come from?

sparkubullet

@DragonLord from Pato.

Anonymous

@DragonLord NO YOU KNOW NOTHING? (also, meh root access if always off topic)

Anonymous

it's not a meme

Anonymous

6:21 PM

it's just a cliche phrase used on soap operas/tv/films and maybe an hyperbole i'm just using

DragonLord

@sparkubullet I have Task Manager and GPU-Z running on another monitor while the game is on the main laptop display

Anonymous

My CPU was at 88ºC when I mined Quarkcoin

Anonymous

damn I regret doing that

DragonLord

@PatoSáinz Did something happen to the hardware?

Anonymous

@DragonLord not yet, but I can feel how I just shortened its life

Anonymous

6:34 PM

> The Real Esh
Hace 11 horas.

You're not allowed to say 'died' because people have died from death

Anonymous

youtube comments section, never change

Anonymous

sup @ThatBrazilianGuy

That Brazilian Guy

Hi. And bye, I'm going home!

sparkubullet

@ThatBrazilianGuy You shall not pass!!!

@PatoSáinz wat? YouTube censors words?

@DragonLord How do you find this? guru3d.com/news_story/…

Anonymous

@sparkubullet nonono

Anonymous

6:38 PM

It's just a troll

sparkubullet

these video games and constant hardware upgrades is never ending race that dries your pockets. good thing i quit gaming 6 years ago.

Anonymous

@sparkubullet meh I want fluidity before fidelity

Anonymous

thus I game at 1024*768

Anonymous

with antialiasing off and whatever graphics enhancements off

sparkubullet

@PatoSáinz Fluidity and fidelity? What on earth are you talking about?

you mean performance vs. high graphics?

Anonymous

6:51 PM

yes

Anonymous

a fluid experience vs. graphic fidelity/realism/oh look at this raytracing engine it makes the water reflect so nice/whatever

sparkubullet

you know how to show blocked chat contacts on Gmail?

@PatoSáinz yeah, beauty costing performance degradation.

Anonymous

nope i barely use their contacts features

sparkubullet

i think i blocked millionaire from Nigeria who wanted to transfer me his fortune.

allquixotic

@sparkubullet you didn't want his fortune?? I'll take it! ;p

Hennes

7:01 PM

Cool. Upvotes on my only question asked (ever, on SU or even on SE)

allquixotic

@Hennes wow, so you aren't omniscient? TIL

Hennes

Ofc I am. AM I already know who was going to answer it. ;-)

njallam

7:17 PM

My computer hates me, please help.

I ran a clean install of 8.1 overnight (Refresh) and woke up to "Getting Windows Ready" and ended up leaving it for the remainder of the day (about 10+ hours)

When I eventually gave up and restarted the damn thing, I found it was giving the message, "Fatal error C0000022 applying updates operation 2 of 4558 (amd64_ava)"

After that it just gets stuck on Getting Windows Ready, Don't turn off

DragonLord

njallam

A working OS, how great that would be right now

Darth Android

@njallam Wipe, reinstall clean, restore from backup?

njallam

@DarthAndroid urgh

A simple backup and reinstall is what started this in the first place

Now I need to reinstall the reinstall

Hmm... Safe Mode works

DragonLord

@sparkubullet See above high-resolution image--the GPU got really hot (87ºC)

Danny Beckett

7:31 PM

@allquixotic I'm not sure if you get notifications for replies to comments on issues? Check issue #6 please :)

njallam

Now this is odd

I'm in safe mode and it looks like it never reinstalled in the first place

All desktop apps are still there and functional

Anonymous

@DragonLord you sir, are fancy

Anonymous

are you overclocking?

DragonLord

@PatoSáinz No, that's the CPU and GPU running at turbo

Michael Frank

@DragonLord 87ºC isn't that hot....

allquixotic

7:40 PM

@DannyBeckett yes I get notifications

DragonLord

@MichaelFrank Yes, modern GPUs are designed to operate up to 95ºC continuously, with acceptable peak GPU temperatures up to 105ºC

Just ask AMD

Danny Beckett

@allquixotic ah ok good to know, thanks!

Darth Android

@DragonLord I thought GPU temps were dropping as of late

And it was pre-GeForce 200 series where they happily ran at 105C

Anonymous

i still wouldn't run at that temp

Darth Android

I wouldn't run a 200-series GPU or later over 80C

or an Core-architecture intel CPU over 60C

both are signs you do not have adequate cooling

allquixotic

7:49 PM

GPUs have been actually increasing their temperature peaks lately. it's one way to get better top-end performance out of designs that they are really struggling to improve in terms of fab size or traditional layout efficiencies

Darth Android

well, they're capped at power draw

Last I checked, the max that a PCIe card is allowed to draw (total, not just from the slot) is 300W and be certified

they hit that back with the 400series

DragonLord

@DarthAndroid The Nvidia Fermi architecture (400/500-series) was the first major attempt to reduce power consumption, and it only got better with Kepler (600/700-series)

Darth Android

@DragonLord it didn't get anywhere until the 500s, then. The 400s were notoriously power hungry.

DragonLord

Scratch that, it was with Kepler that Nvidia really focused on cutting power consumption.

Darth Android

The GTX 480 at 263W is the one of the highest, if not the highest-draw single-GPU card. Only things above it are multi-GPU and multi-Card solutions from AMD and nVidia

DragonLord

8:02 PM

Two Kepler shaders are effectively equal to one Fermi shader, but Kepler has much better efficiency

Darth Android

Yeah.

The keplers also dynamically under and over clock to meet specific power goals

DragonLord

It also eliminates the separate shader clock--the shaders run at the same speed as the cores

...which only helped increase efficiency

Nvidia Kepler Architecture

Nvidia Kepler Architecture is the first Nvidia GPU architecture to focus on energy efficiency. Overview Where the goal of the previous architecture was focused on increasing pure performance (for compute and tessellation), the Kepler architecture focuses on efficiency, programmability and performance. Efficiency goal was through the use of a unified clock. By abandoning the shader clock found in their previous GPU designs, efficiency is increased, even though it requires more cores to achieve similar levels of performance. This is not only because the cores are more power efficient (t...

I know I'm missing out on the upcoming Maxwell architecture, but on the bright side, I'm getting the best of the Kepler architecture on my laptop

When a new architecture comes out, there are going to be driver optimization and other issues, and even the flagship GPUs are inevitably going to have some shaders disabled

On the other hand, the GTX 780M is as good as it gets for mobile Kepler, with a fully-enabled GK104 and well-tuned drivers

@Darth, what do you think?

Darth Android

I've never seriously invested in mobile gaming

I usually stick with the *80 lines on the desktop (280, 295, 580, 580SLI, 680 )

I've never really been in a position where the drivers were affecting playability.

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid I've never been in a position where I wanted to seriously game (more than can be had on say a Surface Pro) and wasn't in my room at home with my desktop, which I keep well-stocked with a flagship GPU all the time

Darth Android

^

allquixotic

8:15 PM

and even if I did, it's too much money to be worth

DragonLord

To me, it's the convenience of having one computer for both (academic) work and play

Darth Android

A laptop simply cannot satisfy me long-term.

I've gotten too used to a 3+1 screen config with 1080p+ monitors

laptop just doesn't have enough horsepower for all the stuff I do.

Much of college, my laptop was just used to remote into my desktop via a private OpenVPN back to my apartment

anything else was generally synced with Dropbox, so I wasn't too troubled by having two computers

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid back in my day, we didn't have clouds

Darth Android

@allquixotic Were Internet-Bits in your day raised free-range by individuals instead of large corporations, without fences and paywalls, free of antibiotics and requests for personal information?

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid yes, and we had to crawl 15 minutes upstream both ways in the static to get web "search" results!

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Ben Brocka

8:31 PM

Sometimes we had to look on page TWO of google

7

Darth Android

I hear... I hear the tubes weren't clogged back then. What was it like?

Ben Brocka

They were under construction

allquixotic

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ChatBot John Cavil

Ben Brocka

looks more like a halberd than a scythe

allquixotic

8:35 PM

!!help beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe

ChatBot John Cavil

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allquixotic

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ChatBot John Cavil

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allquixotic

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ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command beatingbloodoutofarockwithahalberd learned

DragonLord

8:53 PM

For some reason, there's a driver conflict on the Dragon between the Wacom (pen tablet) driver and the Microsoft Arc Touch Mouse driver

I ended up having to remove the Wacom driver, and even then, the system tried to access the Wacom driver for the mouse

I had to go into the Device Manager and manually remove the incorrect devices, then plug the mouse's wireless receiver back into the system

Bob

@allquixotic wait what why relearn?

DragonLord

I thought driver conflicts were a thing of the past--but when the accelerated scrolling on my Arc Touch Mouse stopped working after installing the Wacom tablet driver, I knew something was wrong

I'm surprised that in this age of Windows 8.1, driver conflicts are still possible

Last version of the Crysis 2 with system stats image was imperfect, hold on

Bob

9:10 PM

@DragonLord 'course

Drivers, by their very nature, must have complete unrestricted access. They effectively become part of the kernel (ignoring usermode drivers for now).

They can do anything. Therefore, a poorly written driver can break anything.

DragonLord

They're actually both user-mode drivers

Bob

Well. Ok.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Arrrgh!

I've modified the IMAGE_OPTIONAL_HEADER of some files and disabled dynamic base. Yet I'm still getting random module bases because of ASLR which shouldn't happen with dynamic base disabled. :(

Hennes

Why not run a care CPU over 60C? I should work fine up to about 100C (assuming full load. If you hit that while idle then your cooling is indeed broken).
As to PCI-e and going from memory, max 288 Watt, 75 of those via the PCI-e connector.

DragonLord

@Hennes 300 watts max. 75 comes from the slot itself, while six-pin and eight-pin connectors supply an additional 75 and 150 watts, respectively.

Hennes

9:19 PM

I have looked it up on Wikipedia before. Right now I get close just going from memory. (Which probably means too many damn question about it here on SU)

DragonLord

A few cards have two eight-pin connectors instead of a six-pin and an eight-pin. While this is non-standard, it allows a maximum of 375 watts

Hennes

And that that is non standard is something I know.
Was that a direct wikipedia quote?

DragonLord

No, this is coming from memory, although I've read about it on several sites

sparkubullet

@DragonLord Nice graphics. And how did you screenshot in such good DPI?

DragonLord

@sparkubullet Steam uncompressed screenshot for the right side, PrtSc key for the left. The right side would come up black with the PrtSc key, but worked for the left, so I took a screenshot using Steam and put it into the image using the GIMP. The background was changed from black to transparent as well.

You can configure the Steam screenshot tool to capture uncompressed (.png) images in the Steam settings box. The uncompressed images are stored independently of the normal .jpg compressed images in a user-selected folder.

This is Crysis 2 with DX11 enabled, all settings in Ultra, and high-resolution textures on.

allquixotic

9:29 PM

@Bob s/scythe/halberd

DragonLord

In other words, the game is maxed out.

@sparkubullet: This was done with a 1440x900 monitor on the left side of the main display running system-monitoring programs and Crysis 2 itself on the main 1920x1080 display

Darth Android

@Hennes If an Core-generation intel CPU hits 100C, the system will instantly cut power to the entire system. You cannot run it at 100C.

And while yes it will generally function close to that, they get unstable in the 85C-100C range, and 70C+ you're shortening the life of the CPU.

Hennes

It seems you are right. From ark.intel.com on i7 920 TCASE 67.9°C

Darth Android

That said, I can overclock a sandy bridge from 3.4GHz to 4.4GHz on the stock cooler and not break 70C

Hennes

No idea how high I can go until P push things.

My 920 is a rev D0, which should do 4.0GHz (up from 2.66GHZ default)

And I cooled it with a nehalems cooler

I never pushed it high though. When I go alittle bit higher power usage increases

As long as my bottleneck is not the CPU I see no need to do that

Wrong info from coreTemp (which I remembered but which was wrong):

Power drain testing on flower:

Darth Android

9:44 PM

I pushed my 920 to 4.0Ghz, but I was an idiot and somehow missed the thin protective plastic on the bottom of the heatsink

so it was running at 60C-85C

And I couldn't figure out why

Hennes

I noticed a nice temp drop when I replaced the stock cooler with these:

silentpcreview.com/prolima-megahelams

Darth Android

I replaced my cooler on my sandybridge with a Corsair H100

Hennes

That is a tad more modern system. ;-)

Darth Android

running 3.4 -> 4.4GHz, and it's still ice cold

Hennes

Most of my tasks are still disk bound. Despite being on HW RAID, SSD (for OS) and 4x 1TB RAID5 for the data partition

The next upgrade might be more SSDs

Or a 3+TB backup disk and then I can add two more 2TB drives to the RAID

Ben Brocka

9:47 PM

@Hennes I almost got one of those, a nice looking cooler. Just got a 212 evo instead

Darth Android

Seriously upgrade your CPU/Mobo so that you can get Intel Smart Response Technology

All you need then is a single 60GB SSD

Hennes

These were ordered 5 years ago, and back then they were aoung the best for silence. (I did not care about max cooling when I OC'ed. I wanted a nice silent PC)

I failed to include the 5 fans and 7 drives in that picture

Darth Android

All writes are buffered to the SSD, and any disk blocks that are read frequently are cached on the SSD

Hennes

Which are louders then the CPU cooling or the graphics fans

I got a single 76GiB SSD (intel Postville G2 80GB) and 512MB cache to buffer it (on the RAID card)

No TRIM, but this works surprisingly well with the DDR2-800 on the RAID card buffering

Darth Android

My system feels like it has a 64GB cache, though :P

The drives show up as a single 2TB drive, which behaves like an SSD for all of my daily operations and then some.

It's only when I deviate from my routine does it feel like a RAID10 instead of an SSD

My bottleneck on my system is the 1Gbps network port now. And that's really expensive to upgrade.

Hennes

9:52 PM

Aye.

It is expensive for localnet, and bloody damn expensive for better WAN speeds

Darth Android

I don't want to even contemplate WAN > 1Gbps prices

I just need a 20-ft run of local 10GbaseT. But that's asking too much apparently, nearly $1000 just for cards and cable.

terdon

Hi all.

XP needs to be installed on the 1st partition of the primary master right?

Thinking about this:

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Q: Triple boot: Win7 on 1 drive, XP and Ubuntu in other drive

This is my first post on this site. I have already read a lot about this, but need some advice in my particular case: Hard Drive 1 (c:) already have Win 7 installed in a 250Gb SSD drive. Hard Drive 2 (d:) Win 7 500gb data drive (My documents, user profiles, etc..) already installed I want to:...

Darth Android

I can't explicitly remember any restrictions, but I don't remember specifically moving it.

I think it works anywhere as long as you mark it as the active boot partition

Braiam

Windows doesn't boot if you don't have the active/boot partition in a primary partition in MBR tables

terdon

@DarthAndroid I recall having issues with this when dual booting and that XP needed to be in the first partition.

Braiam

9:56 PM

GPT is different

Darth Android

@terdon That would imply that you can't dualboot two copies of XP, and I'm pretty sure you can do that.

terdon

hmm, this thread suggests that it is not true and that XP can be anywhere.

OK,must have screwed something up way back when.

Perhaps I'm thinking of windows 98

OK, it looks like it just needs a primary and that versions post SP2 can even deal with logical.

Troll alert:

Please flag/vote down so we can delete it

Braiam

what the heck is this rotten literature from? allmangasreader.com/img/icon-32.png

literary spam superuser.com/questions/536667/… superuser.com/questions/604848/…

terdon

@Braiam you mean where is that image from?

Braiam

I'm reading it as some Flackoverstove passage...

terdon

10:12 PM

@Braiam they seem to be stock texts, à la lorem ipsum. Just google one of the paragraphs, you'll find it.

Braiam

@terdon wait... freaking clipboard, this is the one superuser.com/questions/687088/…

terdon

Yeah, same guy I posted about. He's on a rampage.

Braiam

that's the icon for an chrome extension I'm helping out

man, how many times we have to say, do not downvote spam... arg!

terdon

@Braiam why? Downvoting it makes the delete button visible and we can vote to delete (>20k).

Braiam

you should not delete with votes but with flags ;)

(flags are superpowered TNT)

terdon

10:15 PM

I do both, and if we downvote, it gets grey which is useful

Braiam

Tim Post said the same

Hennes

@DarthAndroid Long lone ago (6 years?) I moved into an appartment with a free 1Gbit/sec link to the internet

terdon

@Braiam You have not given any reason why we should not downvote. Just reasons why we should flag. Is there any reason not to downvote spam?

Darth Android

@Hennes Was that shared for the entire building?

Hennes

Yes

1Gbit per user though

terdon

10:17 PM

@Braiam Tim just said we should flag, nothing wrong with also downvoting since it lets us >20ks delete the spam and also makes it grey and less visible. We shouldnot edit spam but o reason not to downvote it.

Hennes

But a 100mbit modem per client.

Darth Android

@Hennes Rough location?

Braiam

@terdon deleting spam with votes don't help the system to learn....

Hennes

You could replace that, but most users would not have realised that

Eindhoven. Everyone in the otwn had it (not quite)

*town

terdon

@Braiam the system learns as long as you flag it. Whether you downvote or not should not affect it in any way and has other benefits as I mentioned above.

Braiam

10:18 PM

and don't block/destroy the user which is what we want

Darth Android

Ah, yeah. US here. Our latest advancements in internet technology is destroying net neutrality. You can thank us later. (sobs inside)

Hennes

You could get 100mbit fibre (100mbit up and 100mbit down) for 700 euro...
But with 700 subsidie if you got it that year.
and you were allowwed to cancel after that year.

The previous preson living here took that offer

And left it live when I moved in

Just without te PSU for the modem (curse him!)

Braiam

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A: Why shouldn't I downvote spam that I've already flagged?

Because downvoting pushes out off the front page but doesn't remove it. This means that it is somewhat less likely to be seen by other active members who could flag it, and therefore kill it. Downvoting is for bad, unresearched questions. Spam is just spam, it should be spotted and removed ASAP....

Hennes

Was that spam or just gibberish ?

terdon

@Braiam I stand corrected, fair enough then.

@Hennes yeah, I had trouble with deciding that but trolling == spam as far as flagging is concerned

@Hennes Tim Post's answer that was linked to by @Braiam above contains:

>It should go without saying that you should definitely not flag something as spam that is not a blatant advertisement or purely nonsensical trolling attempt of some sort

by which I understand that trolling should be flagged as spam.

Hennes

10:25 PM

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hologram awesome Tim Carmody Free Darko West Seattle Blog retweet awesome, mathewi Knight Foundation gutter Jay Rosen linkbait newspaper discuss CTR

Braiam

head explodes

Hennes

Not sure if that would be spam or my typical answer to a review question.

terdon

Man @Hennes you are just asking for that spam flag

Hennes

(source: Journo ipsum)

Man, I really hope someone actually reads those reject comments.
I am creative in them.

terdon

@Hennes heh, I doubt it. I think it's all automatic.

You're talking about the honeypots right?

Hennes

10:30 PM

To bad.

Captain! Review question decloaking of the starboard bow!

Set phasors to stun! Fire torpodo's at the death star! Reject question!

Someone who might read that log could encounter a lot of fun messages

terdon

hehe

Braiam

> Here is the red bottom...

Hennes

allquixotic: Uphill both ways?

Bob

10:49 PM

O.O

2

Q: Forgetting passwords typed in too frequently

It has happened to me several times that I've become so used to typing in a password I can't consciously remember it and it's purely muscle memory. This is particularly true with complex passwords that don't follow a pattern. It's a problem because if I'm using a different keyboard or am in a dif...

passwords password-management

that's actually pretty awesome

Hennes

That is an all too familiar problem

Bob

heh

ya, I can type a password just fine until I have to think about it; then I keep thinking I got it wrong

Hennes

My password is just IamGod!

Anonymous

@Hennes it's got uppercases

Anonymous

that's secure :)

Hennes

10:56 PM

It is better than my pre-assigned work password (many of which I can not change)

That Brazilian Guy

11:36 PM

My password is "correct horse battery staple". Super secure, I'll never get pwned!

CC Inc

Hello, folks!

That Brazilian Guy

Hello, Bob!

CC Inc

I've got quite an odd driver issue, if anyone could take a look?

That Brazilian Guy

@CCInc Huge screenshot is huge (and unreadable)

CC Inc

Hmm.. crop it?

Ah, thanks, I was trying as well :D

Bob

11:49 PM

@CCInc Please save screenshots as PNG.

CC Inc

Why so?

Bob

PNG is lossless (unlike JPEG), and much better optimised where there's lots of lines and few gradents, like a screenshot.

CC Inc

Ah, okay

Bob

JPEG is optimised for gradients, like in photos.

CC Inc

I used prnt screen, is there a better screenshot software?

Bob

11:50 PM

@CCInc Greenshot is a good free one.

I like SnagIt, but it's not free (and Greenshot does much the same thing)

There's also the Snipping Tool built into Windows Vista+

CC Inc

Ah, okay, cool

Bob

Also, Alt+PrintScreen captures just the current window, not the whole screen.

CC Inc

Yes, but there were mutliple error windows

Bob

(Back to file formats, PNG isn't so great if you have, say, a photo as a desktop background or something. But JPEG often makes text unreadable, while PNG will only be a bigger file in the worst case.)

CC Inc

Hm, okay. So kind of like .wav vs .mp3?

Bob

11:53 PM

@CCInc More like FLAC vs MP3...

FLAC is also lossless compression.

CC Inc

I thought wav was lossless as well

Bob

WAV (PCM) is more like BMP in that it's uncompressed.

Generally, photos, videos and music don't compress very well losslessly, which is why lossy compression is good for them.

CC Inc