The Hangar - 2014-01-13 (page 2 of 3)

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3:00 AM

!taf kfll

!!taf kfll

Otto the Autopilot

KFLL 130245Z 1303/1324 VRB04KT P6SM SCT030 SCT250
FM131200 12008KT P6SM SCT050

There you go, I updated the suggestion to make it more clear. That's breaking the "if you have to explain it" rule about jokes though.... ;-)

@lnafziger added a screengrab from the latest dTERPS frontmatter

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A: When conducting a circling approach, how close do you have to stay to the airport?

For approaches that use the new criteria, both Aeronav and Jeppesen charts show an inverted "C" in the circling minimums section of the approach plate. This signifies that the approach uses the new, altitude-dependent circling radii. Aeronav (NACO) format: Jeppesen format: As far as figuri...

@egid Cool, thanks!

@egid It's pretty easy for the Cat A guys, lol.

You could just memorize it.

yeah. especially if you're a lowlander.

then again i almost always wind up operating as Cat B

at least during training

3:04 AM

@lnafziger lol, I like it! (I think we could "actually" do this :p)

just like a "tip of the day" kinda thing

i thought the command explained you how to use otto

aka "give me a random bit of info of how to fly" :p

"teach me to fly Otto" rather than "teach me to fly, Otto!"

@DannyBeckett Haha, that would actually be pretty funny (and useful)!

;P

3:05 AM

yeah Louis clarified his answer

> Free flight instruction from our chat bot "Otto the Autopilot" would be great!

@lnafziger haha I agree! :p

Agreed. Shorten the command though. !!teach

and a very easy command to add too

@egid Oh, I just noticed. The question isn't specific to the new circling minimums, but just "how do you determine the distance...." and you don't mention the "standard" circling minimums.

@lnafziger i suck at reading ;P

@egid lmao, and I'm really picky before I accept an answer. Or I can just wait for someone else to put a better one up. ;-)

3:07 AM

could you guys come up with a few short sentences? I could make this command in no time (like within the next 15 mins), with a few phrases initially

"Keep the shiny side up."

lol!!

"Don't forget to lower the landing gear before landing (unless you are in a seaplane)!"

We can make it all slightly funny phrases which have real meaning. :)

(let's face it, we're basically just re-implementing the Unix command interpreter in the bot one command at a time)

@lnafziger yeah

3:08 AM

Since this is basically $fortune aviation

@SteveV. Haha, kind of!

I believe there's probably already a similar command already made

!!norris i believ

*believe

or at least I know there's definitely code I can pinch

Otto the Autopilot

@SteveV. That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

3:09 AM

hehe, no Chuck Norris for you

except that one hits an external database

> I've deleted some commands that were specific to programming, or unnecessary: awsm colors cowsay domain firefly github hangman jquery mdn mustache norris stop urban vendetta xkcd zalgo

cowsay, there you go.

yup! :)

@DannyBeckett Post a new meta question asking for suggestions for funny quotes that Otto can use when "teaching" people to fly. Make a CW answer and let people keep updating it over time. :)

3:10 AM

We need an ASCII Otto to replace the cow.

Or an ASCII tower, and pipe in BOFH-excuses

@lnafziger I was thinking that but wondering if it was too OTT to post a Q

@DannyBeckett We aren't too strict on meta. :)

FSDO-excuses

posting a question :)

can anyone think of a good title?

"Give us some funny quotes for Otto to teach people to fly!" sounds crap

Anonymous

@lnafziger no rep no fun, again

Anonymous

3:13 AM

why CW ;_;

@DannyBeckett Haha, your edit to my answer makes it more clear that it is a joke.

@lnafziger lol ;)

@lnafziger guess what image doesn't exist on any faa.gov domain? google.com/…

@PatoSáinz: For the prohibited item question? Because it would be impossible to maintain by myself and I want to encourage other people to edit it. :)

Anonymous

@lnafziger for the otto quotes

3:14 AM

@egid Haha, not a surprise!

user image

found it

cough delete "by myself" and it's still true. @lnafziger

@PatoSáinz Oh, that's on meta, so nobody gets rep for it anyway, but it does make it clear that we want everyone to edit the existing answer instead of creating a bunch of new ones.

@SteveV. Well, that's the point we disagree on. :)

Yes, but one of us is wrong. cough you cough

(:

Anonymous

@StackAviation, The Stack Exchange network

A Q&A site for aircraft pilots, mechanics, and enthusiasts

107 tweets, 10 followers, following 0 users

3:17 AM

Exciting!

there we go

updated

Well, I don't mind if the community as a whole doesn't want it... As I said, I was borderline on it anyway (I almost posted a meta question about it instead of the question first, but figured this would garner more attention to the issue.)

True, and i'm only being this vocal with my complaints because it amuses me.

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Q: Teach Otto to teach people to fly!

@lnafziger jokingly said he'd like to see a !!TeachMeToFly command on the suggest new chat bot commands question: The command that I would like to see the most is: !!TeachMeToFly Free flight instruction from our chat bot "Otto the Autopilot" would be great! After a few of us discu...

discussion chat bot

PLEASE, edit if you can improve it @lnafziger @egid @SteveV.

alright. How do you plan to store the database?

(do you know yet?)

Because, if you either have it pull from a flat file or something, I can clone it and then just send you pull requests.

3:22 AM

just flat

and yeah, that sounds good. It'll be on GitHub anyway

gonna setup the command now

i know, i've already cloned the bot proper, but my version of Fedora doesn't have node.js and i can't be bothered to install it from source.

that's ok, it'll just be a flat file

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Q: Teach Otto to teach people to fly!

@lnafziger jokingly said he'd like to see a !!TeachMeToFly command on the suggest new chat bot commands question: The command that I would like to see the most is: !!TeachMeToFly Free flight instruction from our chat bot "Otto the Autopilot" would be great! After a few of us discu...

discussion chat bot

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Q: How could this site best be introduced to other sites, forums, or groups?

There are dozens (if not hundreds) of type-specific clubs and forums out there. They're full of experts on specific types of aircraft, and some of them might be interested in contributing here. What would a good 'letter of introduction' (for lack of another way to describe it) look like to a grou...

Aww, the "unless you are in a seaplane" bit is what made it funny!

That would be bad to do in a seaplane landing on water.

bot's restarting..

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

3:32 AM

Don't forget to lower the landing gear before landing (unless you are in a seaplane)!

@DannyBeckett Preced that with "LESSON: " or "TIP: "

Precede

!!TeachMeToFly

> The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. -- Douglas Adams

Otto the Autopilot

Don't forget to lower the landing gear before landing (unless you are in a seaplane)!

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

3:33 AM

Keep the shiny side up!

(it only has 3 entries so far)

@DannyBeckett Actually "LESSON: " not TIP

I can put the number in there too :p

Lesson #194: ...

or whatever number it is in the list

ok it's restarting with 7 tips

!!teachmetofly

odd...

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #.1: Don't forget to lower the landing gear before landing!

:D

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

3:40 AM

Lesson #.3: Right rudder!

gonna remove that dot/period - restarting

source code for the new command is here if you wanna submit pull requests @SteveV. github.com/dannybeckett/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/plugins/…

woohoo!

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #4: Push forward: buildings get bigger. Pull back: buildings get smaller.

:D

lol

3:43 AM

:)

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #6: There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!

adding your new ones now @abelenky

Thx

I'm sure I'll think of more as time goes.

yeah they're great for now, thanks!

Very nice!

3:46 AM

new ones now added

again, full list here: github.com/dannybeckett/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/plugins/…

@egid If you actually want the communities opinion, you may want to wait to accept the answer until more people have had time to look at it (on the "Too Specific" question on meta). :)

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Q: Possible need for a 'Too Specific' option when voting to close?

In a couple of cases, we've had questions like this one that are asking very specific questions. Currently, the options people seem to use are either "off topic" or "too broad". Adding a "too specific" option, like "this is a very localized question" or "this only refers to one single model of a...

feature-request

link for the lazy

@DannyBeckett BTW, phraseology could probably be replaced by atc-communications.

yeah probably (it already existed)

"terminology" is what I would've chosen

!!tell Pato teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

@Pato Lesson #6: There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!

3:51 AM

@DannyBeckett Then again, atc-communications could probably be replaced with communication (or something similar) too.....

!!tell voretaq7 teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

@voretaq7 Lesson #5: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, in that order!

!!tell BretCopeland teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

@BretCopeland Lesson #9: To land: Airspeed, Centerline, PAPI (repeat)

That one I'm most serious about....

3:55 AM

lol, yeah I'm not sure how you could make that funny

I repeat that on tricky landings... and I'm convinced that if Asiana 214 had been saying that, the airplane would've made it.

hmm :(

After the published pre-landing checklist, those three are the only things you need.
If you're at the right airspeed, on the centerline, and see the proper PAPI... you'll probably land just fine.

@DannyBeckett - new pull request.

Assuming that there is a PAPI. Maybe "Airspeed, Centerline, Approach Angle"

3:58 AM

Just say "stabilized approach" and have done with it.

ok so you'll have to excuse me @SteveV., I've never handled a pull request before... what exactly am I doing here? (It says We can’t automatically merge this pull request. Use the command line to resolve conflicts before continuing))

Except that none of my students seem to know what that is.

only just started using Git... always been used to SVN

well, yes, but: adjust as needed. But PAPI expresses the idea, if not the literal meaning.

@DannyBeckett merge conflict, we both edited at the same time.

hold on, i'll fix it on my end and resubmit.

3:59 AM

thanks :)

Not appropriate, but funny: "The odds against there being a bomb on a plane are a million to one; and against two bombs, a million times a million to one. Next time you fly, cut the odds and take a bomb."

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LOL....

I'm up to #16 now...

lol

@DannyBeckett - try that one

that worked :)

will adjust the whitespace and reload the bot in a sec

4:07 AM

so another one: currency-requirements or currency? I'm leaning towards the second one....

2nd

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #10: The propeller is just a giant fan to keep the pilot cool; if it stops, the pilot starts sweating!

#21... thats enough for tonight. Maybe more later.

trying to keep up with you guys!

4:10 AM

Anybody else?

Okay, changing them then. :)

restarting

!!teachmetofly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #10: A superior pilot is one who uses his superior judgement so that he does not have to use his superior skills.

!!teachMeToFly

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #42: Some pilots will declare an emergency for high oil pressure. Others, upon losing a wing, will ask for a lower altitude.

:)

4:17 AM

Haha, nice.

@DannyBeckett How about !!teachmetofly 26 (so that we can get a specific lesson)?

ahhh, good idea!

gonna go for a smoke in the freezing cold outside and I'll add that when I'm back :)

Make sure to error check that one, lol.

Haha, enjoy.

!!weather lpl

Otto the Autopilot

LPL/EGGP: Liverpool John Lennon Airport • Observed: 29 mins ago • Wind: 190°/S @ 8kts • Visibility: 6.21mi/9.99km • Clouds: Few @ 4,000ft • Temperature: 5.0°C/41°F • Dewpoint: 3.0°C/37°F • Pressure: 29.62" Hg/1,003mb • Conditions: VFR

5 degrees, not too bad lol

4:43 AM

@lnafziger implemented!

!!tell lnafziger lesson 4

Otto the Autopilot

@DannyBeckett Command lesson does not exist.

whoops :$

!!tell lnafziger teachmetofly 4

Otto the Autopilot

@lnafziger Lesson #4: Push forward: buildings get bigger. Pull back: buildings get smaller. Pull back harder: buildings get bigger again.

(gonna add an alias for !!lesson actually)

!!tell lnafziger lesson 9

Otto the Autopilot

@lnafziger Lesson #9: Small mountains will kill you just as dead as big ones.

5:08 AM

room topic changed to The Hangar: Try the new command !!teachmetofly (no tags)

@DannyBeckett Awesome! You should probably alias "!!lesson" for "!!teachmetofly", especially since people will be seeing "Lesson #..."

I did already ;)

Nice!

!!lesson

21 mins ago, by Danny Beckett

!!tell lnafziger lesson 9

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #27: If your flight is going remarkably well, you obviously forgot something.

5:09 AM

!!lesson

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #13: The propeller is just a giant fan to keep the pilot cool; if it stops, the pilot starts sweating!

lol, gotta be the easiest command to make, and it seems the best received so far :p

@DannyBeckett Okay, one more suggestion... Every 60 + Math.floor(Math.random() * 20-10) minutes he should send a lesson to the room.

hahaha awesome idea

I'm not completely sure how I'd do that actually

since usually the bot listens for !! and just replies

Yeah, I thought that might be a little tougher... Surely there's a way though.

5:16 AM

I'll have a chat with Zirak tomorrow :)

haha, cool. I'm off to bed for now though. Have a good night!

me too, night mate!

Thanks for all the help!

hey no worries man, thanks for the suggestions!

seeya :)

@DannyBeckett - have the bot listen for a regex that matches any string, and then have it send based on a very low probability random chance

5:19 AM

cya

You get the same effect but you don't have to write a timer-driven handler, you can keep it event-driven.

Plus, that way the bot isn't spammy when there's no activity in the channel for several hours.

the only thing is, bot.invocationPattern = '!!'

Or better yet, check the time that you determined that you wanted to send a message (based on the random time calculated after the last message that you sent) and if it is past that time you can go ahead and send it.

it's a good idea though

Again, it will keep him from saying random things when the room is empty.

5:21 AM

> And the listener regex looks like this: /^give ([\w\s]+) a lick/

> When the bot sees something isn't a command or any other prefix-having functionality, it runs over all the listeners, and when one matches, execute it.

github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/wiki/Plugin-writing

ah cool

Same idea as @SteveV. but if he sits for a long time, he will send the message as soon as someone says something.

will look at it tomorrow, thanks!! :)

cya tomorrow guys

cya

1 hour later…

6:28 AM

@voretaq7 @BretCopeland - Can one of you kill all the comments on this question please? aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/952/… (presuming the flag isn't handled before you see this)

2 hours later…

8:43 AM

!!metar KJFK

Otto the Autopilot

METAR KJFK 130751Z 25006KT 10SM CLR M01/M03 A3013 RMK AO2 SLP202 T10061033 $

@DannyBeckett as you're not interpreting the metar and taf, it should be a pretty simple replacement to just grab NOAA's. $.get(...) and you're done, pretty much.. :) Wouldn't bother with the 'weather' command though.

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!!metar EBAW

!!metar EBBR

Otto the Autopilot

METAR EBBR 130820Z 23012KT 9999 -RA BKN045 07/05 Q1012 NOSIG

8:53 AM

@DannyBeckett hmmm... I'm not sober. I probably shouldn't be "moderating" at the moment.

@BretCopeland :-D

@DannyBeckett That question on the fuel senders/transducers you have edited is really improved now. Good job.

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@BretCopeland Kudos! Good for you, not everyone would have that kind of self-control.

@Roe it just indicates he is still sober enough to have self control :-)

@DeltaLima Hmm... good point :)

abcnews.go.com/US/southwest-jet-lands-wrong-airport/…

Wow there's a pile-up of these lately, isn't there?

avherald doesn't seem to have picked it up yet though

9:19 AM

@DannyBeckett - I think you can disregard this: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13153384#13153384
I didn't read closely enough.

3 hours later…

12:13 PM

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@BretCopeland How are these "This Day in Aviation" posts created? Are they automatically create from an RSS feed? If so, may I suggest to also add the skybrary.aero feed?

1 hour later…

Anonymous

1:30 PM

@OttotheAutopilot thanks otto now i feel prepared to take the pilot exam, brb

2:00 PM

!!teachmetofly lesson 1

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #30: Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than you.

Lesson #41: Pilots talk about women when flying, and flying when with women.

@DeltaLima You must choose a number between 1 - 43 (or omit the number entirely).

!!teachmetofly 1

Otto the Autopilot

Lesson #1: Don't forget to lower the landing gear before landing!

Anonymous

2:37 PM

i can review now

Anonymous

hehehe

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A: Can Air Traffic Controllers participate in Q&A?

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@DannyBeckett !!teachmetofly lesson 1 should work too. :)

Anonymous

3:16 PM

Anonymous

this is so fucking true

@BretCopeland lol! I didn't expect you to even see the message before today. The comments still need cleaning when you get a chance :)

@DeltaLima Thanks! I noticed the guy wasn't familiar with SE and didn't want him to get disheartened from the response.

@roe that's definitely an idea! think I'm gonna leave it for now to concentrate on other commands, but we'll fully switch to NOAA at some point (including for !!weather)

@SteveV. yeah I think it still needs to be invoked with !!. I'll see what we can do!

@DannyBeckett Great way of trying to keep this guy interested. The votes have now gone from negative to positive and I hope he gets a decent answer now.

@DannyBeckett Fair enough. Did you mention somewhere you had it on github? I could fix it for you if you want.

@DeltaLima only time will tell! :)

@roe sure! you're more than welcome to. there are 2 repos on Git: the PHP and the JS. The PHP is at github.com/dannybeckett/so-chatbot-php-helper and the JS is in weather.js of github.com/dannybeckett/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/plugins/…

3:24 PM

Cool

what's the php for?

Anonymous

because @DannyBeckett likes to use the worst languages available

@DannyBeckett we could try and make some categories in the lessons from Otto. I was thinking: [general introduction], [pre-flight], [basics of control], [take-off], [cruise flight], [landing] (tons of these ;-), [CRM], [law & regulations] etc

@roe it converts the response to JSONP (the format needed by the bot)

It also retrieves basic airport data, such as both IATA & ICAO codes and airport name, and tags that onto the end of the object

Anonymous

^no it doesn't

Anonymous

!!metar SCTB

Otto the Autopilot

3:25 PM

@PatoSáinz No data could be found within the last 24 hours for SCTB! Check you typed the correct 3-letter IATA or 4-letter ICAO airport code.

@DannyBeckett ok, cool

You can see an example request at: dannybeckett.co.uk/AviationBot/…

so it's a proxy

yeah

(JS is a pain in the arse when it comes to CORS)

yeah, can be tricky

need to do iframes and stuff

3:27 PM

or proxy :)

or that

@PatoSáinz That's why @roe is taking a look at it ;)

@DannyBeckett Don't feed the trolls.. ;)

lol!

Pato's definitely a troll alright :p

(j/k)

Anonymous

@roe that's rude

Anonymous

3:28 PM

lol

@DeltaLima that's also a great idea! I'll add it to the to-do list

@DeltaLima Feel free to write your own answer on meta.aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/186/… instead of editing another

up to you!

@DannyBeckett I've added a couple to the list that was made into a wiki. If you can share all the answers that are in use now, I can take a stab at categorizing them.

@DeltaLima sure, the list is here: github.com/dannybeckett/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/plugins/… :)

@DannyBeckett Great, I'll give that a shot tonight. Will probably have to change your array structure and response code a bit to make it work. Keep you posted

yeah no worries at all! @DeltaLima

any help is always appreciated!

4:31 PM

so who has the landing numbers for a 737 on a 3700' runway?

heh

@Aaron 1.

(you were asking about the number of times you can do it, right? :)

:)

heh

this "land at the wrong airport" thing seems to be becoming a disturbing pattern.

4:41 PM

srsly

I used to live by the 737 factory in Renton, WA..... I can say that when the planes are empty, their performance is incredible. They can take off very short, and land even shorter than my Cessna.

@abelenky I'm pretty sure you can do 3700ft without any problem - certainly empty

Uncontrolled Airspace: General Aviation Podcast: "Forgot Dave" UCAP #345

posted on January 13, 2014

An off-field-landing-of-the-week two-fer... NTSB has some suggestions... And AOPA announced the next big things. Oh, and Jack forgot to say hi to Dave at the beginning. All this and more on the Uncontrolled Airspace General Aviation Podcast. Recorded Jan 9, 2014.

5:01 PM

The Renton runway is 5,300 feet... and they blast out of there no problem at all.

skyvector.com/airport/KRNT

yeah i was just going to point that out

still, 3700 is a lot shorter than 5300

especially for RTO stuff

@voretaq7 I wonder if own-ship on EFBs would help prevent it? ;)

@egid No Comment :-)

A little web search says that Santos Dumont takes loaded 737s, at 4,300 ft.

I was once invited to a B737-500 training weekend, doing lot's of touch and go's with pilots fresh from the flight academy. When doing a full stop landing to take up fuel the training captain demonstrated a short field landing. Landing at the numbers, we just missed the first taxiway of out of GRO RWY 02. I think we reached full stop 750 meters / 2500 ft from the threshold.

So 3700 is plenty.... if you anticipate for it :-)

@DeltaLima and if your pilots are on the ball. (i.e. "Perhaps not the same folks who landed it here to begin with...")

5:06 PM

@DeltaLima skyvector.com/airport/GRO/Rota-International-Airport ?

also, 2500 remaining or 2500 landing distance? :)

Try LEGE

Otherwise known as Costa Brava / Girona airport

skyvector.com/airport/LEGE/Girona-Airport got it

2500'landing distance

just wanted to clarify! that's pretty good, but not that surprising

i mean, the 737 is a smaller derivative of the 727, and lightly loaded...

kept the triple-slotted flaps that made the 727 so good at short fields as well

at least on the -500

The runway itself is long enough, that is why it was chosen for touch and go's. We were on board with only about 12 persons, no fuel, no luggage (but a pair of extra wheels, just to be sure :-)

5:10 PM

Where can I find runway distances to a particular taxi-way?
I'm pretty sure I've seen 737's land KBFI 31L, and exit B5.
I want to find that distance.

Try measuring it at google maps. That works for me

+1 there's a google labs add-on for maps that lets you use a ruler on the map

Yeah, forgot it's probably a labs add on I have activated. I have the one that has a gazillion units that you can choose from.

@voretaq7: I'm good with "Fuel in the truck". If you want to edit the wiki... go ahead. :)

Okay, looks like 31L to exit B5 is about 980m.

@abelenky Effort :P

but air in the fuel tanks is pretty useful - the fuel tends to stop flowing if you pull a vacuum on the tank :)

5:19 PM

or 3,200 feet. So I am actually kinda surprised the Southwest did it in 3,700 ft full!
Because the crew was expecting plenty of space....

I wonder when they realized they were running out of runway.

It looks like LiveATC doesn't cover Branson. :(

@abelenky I would imagine very quickly, but the 737 brakes are excellent :)

@abelenky "Cessna 12345 go around, some idiot landed a 737 on my runway..."

LOL....

@voretaq7 that's pretty much what was said on an unrelated ATC tape I just listened to...

> An Aerogal Boeing 767 attempts to land on the wrong runway at New York's JFK airport, nearly colliding with a Jetblue rolling for take off. The tower air traffic controller sorts it out and a collision is averted.

that sounds pretty JFK honestly

I do love the JFK ground controller tape from a few years back

>JFK Ground: "I told you to go where you are?"

>Jetblue 144: "Exactly"

yeah lol that's classic

5:27 PM

@DannyBeckett <applause>

@voretaq7 huh?

@egid there's one from LGA where the ground controller essentially verbally castrates a few flight crews - can't find the link now, but it's hilarious

> You' re unable to to do everything, sir, that plane of yours...

after she's done it's just a lot of quiet "yes ma'am"'s on the frequency when she's giving taxi instructions :)

@egid "Its funny 'cuz its true!"

heh

i miss one of the controllers at KPAE when I was training... he was ex navy, used to work on carriers

"Cessna 345, hold short 34R, there's a Piper launching"

5:30 PM

@egid Apparently KISP is where they send JFK controllers who burn out

Most Extreme Airports - well worth a watch

("We'll send you to a nice, quiet airport - no traffic to work....")

I'm told that at Seattle/Tacoma, multiple planes have confused taxiway Tango with runway 34C.

yeah, Aeroflot i think landed on T

5:43 PM

and in hindsight, maybe it isn't so smart to make taxiways parallel to, and same length as runways.

seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/…

maybe paint yellow polkadots on them... or make the edges of them zig-zaggy?

maybe it's an aeroflot thing ;) flightglobal.com/news/articles/…

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