The Hangar

2:33 AM

@egid I didn't go spelunking through the NTSB database, but the only references to accidents I found WRT own-ship position display during my googling were people talking about how having own-ship position on Class 1/2 EFBs could PREVENT accidents (especially when you take into account stuff like Foreflight's hazard advisor)

Anonymous

2:47 AM

sup @voretaq7

Anonymous

hru

voretaq7

wazzaaaaaap?

I ate entirely too much at my friend's birthday lunch today

egid

@voretaq7 yeah, that's the problem i've run into

voretaq7

("lunch" from like 1300 - 1730)

egid

you can find plenty of FAA claims that it is unsafe, but no real reasons for why they think that

voretaq7

2:48 AM

@egid I honestly don't think there are any accidents caused by pilots staring at an EFB with own-ship position (yet).

@egid per my answer - "an overabundance of caution" :-)

egid

and there's conjecture, but I can do my own ;)

yeah

voretaq7

same reason the other F-agency I deal with all-too-often (FDA) requires me to fill out literally 25 forms if I correct a spelling error in our software

Me: "We changed an `s` to a `d`, because the word is `and`, not `ans`..."
FDA: "BUT WHAT IMPACT MIGHT THAT HAVE ON SAFETY AND EFFECTIVENESS?" <clutch pearls>
Me: . . . o O ( Don't say "BITE ME!".... Don't say "BITE ME!".... )

egid

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Q: Short approach vs Normal

All things equal, from a standard traffic pattern at a towered airport, is it safer to do a short approach when approved by tower, or a normal one? Assume a Cherokee, Cessna 172, or similar small trainer. My gut is a short approach should be safer, because I stay closer to the airport in case so...

i'm wondering if i actually answered this guy's question

now that i think about it

voretaq7

@egid I suspect if you TSO'd the GPS source and iWidget and permanently mounted it in the panel the FAA wouldn't care if it had a little airplane on it :P

egid

@voretaq7 you and your $1.5m have fun doing that ;)

Anonymous

2:53 AM

@voretaq7 just came back from the movies

voretaq7

@egid Hey then I can sell a $7000 aviation iPad :-)

Pilots are stupid, they'll buy ANYTHING if you slap a TSO sticker on the back :-D

egid

@voretaq7 already on the market: buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/in-the-air/avionics-safety/gps-nav-comm/…

voretaq7

@egid <Steve Jobs>TOO. MANY. BUTTONS.</Steve Jobs>

all the folks I know who've flown with the new GTN stuff say they're not happy with it in anything but smooth air - have you used any of it yet? :)

@egid I think you answered it pretty well. I kinda get his point about how big traffic patterns (like the Republic "Extend your downwind to Florida" patterns for runway 1 on busy days) can have safety implications

egid

@voretaq7 I haven't, but that was the first thing I thought of when they announced it (actually, when they announced the G3000 (?) for light jets

I have a hard enough time working a 155XL or a 430 in turbulence

voretaq7

but I'm also the guy who flies tight patterns close to the field, because I'm in a Cherokee and if my engine dies my glide ratio is around that of a very aerodynamic rock.

@egid Like I said, I keep eyeing the IFD 440 - but I wanna touch it before I buy it.

egid

2:58 AM

@voretaq7 I tend to fly very tight patterns too, for similar reasons, but I also taught students that way because it is the right thing to do

proximity to the runway means a lot of things for safety

not least is that other pilots have a better chance of spotting you since you're a predictable distance from the runway

and a side benefit is that you can get double the number of landings done in an hour, making you more proficient ;)

voretaq7

@egid a side benefit is I usually hear "31W Republic tower, are you able short approach?" and get to cut the line :-)

egid

yeah, i get that once in a while too

my 1000-1500fpm climb rate helps with the "early crosswind when able" as well

voretaq7

if you're a mile out from the runway in your downwind you're not getting that offer - we don't have time for you to fly back to the airport :P

@egid my 1500FPM climb in winter fucks me over more than it helps me - all my avionics shit I do when it's cold, and the shop is at ISP (home of the "at or below 1400" restriction for VFR traffic)

it's nice at Republic though - climb....climb...climb.... OK let's just stop here until we've flown out from under Kennedy's airspace...

Anonymous

my eyees

Anonymous

too much jargon

voretaq7

3:04 AM

(I still say the NY airspace was designed by a kid with blue and magenta crayons)

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Anonymous

PLZ KEEP IT MAINSTREAM PLZKTHX

egid

it's aviation. aviation is jargon.

;P

Anonymous

@voretaq7 ooh yes their IFR is totally wing flex -5, yes, by the way, did you calculate your Cessna fuel consumption in that class Foxtrot airspace with that Garmin equipment you found at SCEL? Better call ATC at 666 MHz to tell them about the guard who is emitting a PANPAN

egid

/me squints

Anonymous

I should really make a markov bot with all your jargon in order to generate phrases like those^

voretaq7

3:06 AM

@PatoSáinz I'm in the US. We don't use class F airspace :-P

egid

and 666mhz is not a comms frequency ;P

voretaq7

@PatoSáinz but speaking of Cessna fuel consumption.... hang on

Anonymous