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7:00 PM
What are the differences?
 
I might be able to do tenor.
 
If he says so, we will go.
 
And is that would plus a bare infinitive?
 
If he had said so, we would have gone.
 
If he hadn't said no, we might not have gone anyway.
 
7:01 PM
So there are grouped according to tense?
 
If he told us, we would go.
 
@KitFox Thanks. but I need explain by english grammar.
 
If he had told us, we would have gone.
If he tells us, we will go.
Those are the the three they teach them.
Present, past, and past perfect in the first part.
 
@Mediator: Go ask that on ELL and ping BarrieEngland. He used to teach ESL.
 
Some video on YT that I found makes me think that I am a tenor. Hmm.
 
7:03 PM
@Robusto He did ask it on ELL.
 
Perhaps not though. shrug
Apparently in barbershop the tenor sings in falsetto?
 
My mind is down =( I'm confused. Thanks All
 
When I hear the great singers, I am ashamed to even sing in the shower. But I do it anyway. I can pretend for a few seconds that I am Fritz Wunderlich.
 
I need to get some sleep, though. Up at 5:30 for a flight tomorrow. Later, all.
 
@Mahnax Good night!
scowls just got a text from my ex again.
"I'd love to see you!"
Yeah, I just bet.
 
sproing!
 
[x] turned chat into facebook again
He is looking for the retriever dummy
 
@tchrist gah. One would think squirrel, above all things, were exceptionally easy for a German to pronounce.
Those videos never have a point, though. Obviously they cherrypick the people who were the worst of the bunch.
Also they pick stupid words. They should pick something really easy, like handy, which also happens not only to exist, but be an extremely common word in German, and then cringe at the difference. That is some real fun.
Anyway, the way I remember it, Islanders (or was it Finns?) did much, much worse with squirrel.
Ah, now I know. It was the Danes.
 
squirrel
 
Which is doubly funny since all of Danish sounds like Squirrel squirrel Squirrel squirrel squirrel squirrel Squirrel squirrel.
 
7:40 PM
@KitFox for the beautyshop quartet?
 
giggles
squirrel
giggles some more
 
@tchrist what are the other four?
 
Very good. now try Donauschiffahrtskapitänsmütze.
 
Donauschiffahrtskapitänsmütze (as close as I can guess)
 
Or Haftpflichtversicherung.
@KitFox Close, but no cigar.
Where I am from the shibboleth is Grumbeerkügelchen. Even I can't pronounce it "correctly".
 
7:43 PM
@KitFox yo no soy ma dinero / soy kapitän, so kapitän
Or whatever. I don't care.
 
Marinero. I don't think you'd be your money.
 
@KitFox some people are.
Thurston Howell III, for instance.
 
Squirrel!
 
I can't believe that those are as funny as "squirrel" though.
 
7:50 PM
@RegDwighт All I know is that there is a big north–south difference in how that word ends.
That’s because squirrel is inherently comic.
Well, or squirrels are.
 
Tree rats.
 
With fluffy tails.
 
I must have killed @Reg with my awful German.
We're not all so talented, Sharky.
shakes fist
 
Oh BTW, the German word for squirrel would be Eichhörnchen. Good luck. You will need it. And it won't help you.
Perhaps you should start with Russian. That one is pretty forward. Except that you'll have to palatalize a B. MUWAHAHAHAHA.
 
@RegDwighт I never had a problem with ö. What is hard for me is ü after r, as in die Brücke.
 
8:04 PM
Yeah, and you mentioned the irony of it.
Now, that's a word that's easy in Russian, though.
Most.
Except not like the English most.
 
Frühlings is not that hard.
 
I would love to give you some more fodder, but I have to go soon.
 
Which, of course, you will know because that's how Russians pronounce most in English.
 
So, once Putin's current term is up, is he going to star in a TV show or maybe turn himself into an amusement park and charge admission to watch him do amazing feats with his shirt off?
 
But I must be off to watch Community. Re-watching it from the very beginning now, with all the six seasons under my belt. Very interesting.
Where's the movie, anyway?
 
8:09 PM
Six seasons of Community?
 
Well, wasn't it six?
 
More like 3.5.
But Dan Harmon, the original producer, is coming back for season five. Still, season four has a lot to answer for, and to recover from.
 
I know that I watched the last episode a couple weeks ago. It was quite obviously the last. With the title melody and the insert "#sixseasonsandamovie" at the end.
@Robusto oh.
Well I'm not complaining.
 
If they did have #sixseasonsandamovie at the end (and I don't recall that at all), then it was an inside joke.
 
So okay, let me look it up then. I'm confused.
 
8:12 PM
Maybe you're thinking of Arrested Development?
Not exactly sure how many seasons that had.
 
Hah. Quite certainly not. Never seen a single episode.
 
@Robusto Three plus the new Netflix one.
 
The Office?
That had like a billion seasons. And only the first three were good.
 
Hm. Well wiki sez I only watched three. Damn. I mean, good.
Though I must say the last three episodes or so were so over the top, I'm not sure what they were even getting at.
It was like, how many sharks can we jump over at once.
 
The problem for Community now is the fact that someone else stepped in and got their grubby fingerprints all over the story line. Things happened which never should have happened. And now we can't unsee all that. So it will be interesting what Dan Harmon does to resurrect the spirit of the first three seasons. Maybe he will fail.
 
8:16 PM
And they kept upping the ante.
@Robusto Chase leaving is not exactly helping with that, I wager.
 
The last three episodes of Season Three were kind of an attempt at stemming a premature hemmhorage. Harmon knew he was off the show and was trying to give some kind of closure, I guess.
 
Actually by the looks of it I should just go on pretending that I watched six episodes, after having watched three.
 
@RegDwighт The show will only be better without him. I hope Fred Willard steps in to fill that role.
 
Oh is he a candidate?
Mmmh. Could be promising.
 
He was in season 3.5 briefly, tantalizingly.
Face it, Chevy Chase is just an unlikable, self-centered asshole with a thimbleful of talent to match his jeroboam of ego.
 
8:19 PM
I didn't quite mind Chase I must say. I found Yvette Nicole Brown to be sort of pointless, though.
 
Well ... not my favorite character. But I attribute a lot of that to her Christian back story.
 
Well yes. And that's the point.
That there was no point to it.
Actually she doesn't come off as much of a single mom, either.
 
Seriously, I don't know where the show is going to go now. They've been picked up for ten episodes, which in network TV is like a kiss from your sister.
 
She is sort of underwritten, I think. Or overwritten. Or not written quite properly.
 
Her best episodes are the ones where her bad side comes through. Like the foosball one.
 
8:22 PM
Yeah.
 
When she's just being Mrs. Christianity she kinda sucks right down to her shoes.
Thankfully they don't give her much to do in that respect.
 
Well it's not so much that she sucks as, again, I'm not seeing the point.
 
That's a form of sucking: being pointless.
 
Oh fuck me gently. headdesk I have so totally pooched my code.
 
Even that starburns guy was more interesting.
 
8:24 PM
Yeah. He has his own show, by the way, I think on Adult Swim. My son thinks he's funny.
 
I zap into Adult Swim quite regularly and now that is where I not only stop getting any points, I forget the very word, point.
Basically it's whenever I'm too lazy to search for the remote.
 
So anyway. The principal, of course, spoke very true words when he said somewhere in the last five episodes of season three, "does anyone even study here anymore" or something to that extent.
It was quite funny, of course, but in retrospect also quite sad.
 
The point is, no one studied ever. "Here we are, doing a kindergarten project and failing at it."
Community, as I've said before, is such a fine and pointed satire on America.
 
Well anyway. I have left season four far ahead of me, on to re-watching episode four.
Will report back with the results.
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I think we have like seven questions on paraprosdokians already.
BBL
 
8:32 PM
@RegDwighт Mine is the canonical one though.
 
It always is. It always is.
 
The canonical answer, I mean.
I take it out and buff it now and then, watch it glisten in the moonlight ...
 
@Robusto Uk The Office was a bit annoying but good
 
@JohanLarsson Yeah. It got a little cringe-worthy at the end, but at least it ended when it needed to. The U.S. version was actually better, IMO, than the original, but it suffered from going on way longer than it should have. Imagine the UK version losing Ricky Gervais and still trying to muddle through.
 
8:48 PM
Both are good, I watched both seasons of Uk, only random episodes of Us. Good and perhaps rare example of when a version is good.
probably possible to write that ^ in English
 
Haha, and of course the very first scene in the fourth episode is how much Shirley sucks and how Jeff wouldn't walk over the campus with her listening to her "isn't it a nice day" crap.
 
Yeah. But beware: they fuck with things they shouldn't fuck with. Like relationships between the study-mates. What keeps the whole thing going is that they don't fall into relationships. It's like a roulette wheel where the ball never drops. Once it does, it's bound to come up 0.
 
did you watch Pusher btw?
 
Doesn't ring a bell. Did we talk about it?
 
Danish films, I think I recommended them, them being I, II & III,perhaps a bit problematic if you don't know the language.
 
 
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9:54 PM
@Ricky I understand your consternation, but please understand ours, which is that this site is supposed to be about academic-level questions of English and its nuance. Every day we fight the flood of drive-by question-askers who treat the site like it is some kind of novelty forum and then shout abuse at us when we point them to the rules. If your question is so simple, it is not on-topic. If it is not so simple, you have to demonstrate why. If you don't want to do the research yourself first, try Yahoo Answers. — KitFox 2 mins ago
 
I never understood the thing with 'what have you tried?'
usually it hurts readability of questions, on SO & ime
 
10:08 PM
I have tried asparagus. Once.
 
and it did not work?
 
It was unemployed, yes.
 
sad story
 
10:52 PM
@RegDwighт How?
It just seems a shame that with all those ASPARAGUS WANTED signs posted in the windows of all the finer restaurants, that your one stalk should have gone unemployed.
sniffs
 
11:06 PM
@Reg @cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Just sent you both (separate) mail.
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Q: Why is this site filled with useless, pedantic fussiness?

TerryI am a teacher of English with 25 years experience, with a considerable reputation around these parts I might add. I would never consider subscribing to something as 'exclusive' and anally clenched as the purveyors of this laughable site seem to be...

That’s pretty offensive. And a meta.
Primariliy opinion based.
Belongs on Meta.
Probably other things, too.
Actually, I think it should just be deleted.
Where’s the material on how to write a good single word request?
 
11:21 PM
Speaking of fussy. I am looking for a better word for anal.
 
heh
Uptight.
Punctilious.
Fastidious.
Persnickety.
 
I want to express how very [attentive/pedantic/careful/obsessed] I am about storing my loose LEGO parts. No direct sunlight, or any sunlight at all. Stuff like that.
 
OCD
Demanding.
Obsessive seems good.
 
Persnickety is not bad. Fastidious even better. Uptight could fit, I'm not familiar with that one.
Demanding is the right direction except I'm demanding of myself.
@tchrist yeah or that.
 
Compulsive.
Fanatical.
Zealous?
Passionate?
 
11:25 PM
Zealous is too passionate and not too pedantic enough.
 
Fussy.
Particular.
 
Which is where I started.)))
Oh!
 
Scrupulous.
Prissy?
 
Yeah now I have too many good ones.
Press Pause.
 
Ok.
Type space to continue, q to quit.
 
11:28 PM
Typing space won't work in this chat. You've outmanoeuvred yourself.
 
I’d use persnickety. It’s folksy, and not wholly negative.
I thought of that.
Gave you an easy way out.
 
Stupid French with their vowel clusters.
 
I guess it depends on your target audience.
@RegDwighт It’s the nasalized ones that are so annoying, I find.
 
Qu'est-ce que c'est?
 
Un bon vin blanc.
 
11:30 PM
My target audience is just as prissy persnickety fastidious zealous compulsive and anal as myself.
 
Then you’re in good company.
 
Juste.
 
@Cerberus pas une pipe.
 
n'est
 
Mais qu'est-ce qui vous ennuie?
 
11:31 PM
@Cerberus je cherche un mot.
 
Lequel?
 
Qui soit bon.
 
J'en ai trouvé assez.
 
vide supra
 
Merci de demander.
 
11:31 PM
Mais pas ce que vous cherchiez?
 
Peut-être.
 
@Cerberus I can't parse that.
Oh, now I can.
 
But not what you were looking for.
 
See how fast it goes?
 
But not the one you were looking for?
 
11:32 PM
Yeah yeah got that.
 
It doesn’t know his meta.
 
Faster than snails.
 
But he’ll know it when he sees it.
 
I don't think it should be ce there. I'm convinced it shouldn't.
 
Hm. Meta isn’t English. Goal.
 
11:33 PM
More like le.
 
Hm.
The one that / what
 
Or something with même.
 
Meticulous?
 
You’re welcome.
 
@Cerberus danke, aber der Zug ist abgefahren. Ich habe schon genug Kandidaten.
 
11:34 PM
Heh.
 
Hélas.
 
BRB posting that shite.
 
This must be hell on NNS.
k
 
@RegDwighт google.com/…
It could be contextually inappropriate...mon français, c'est pas superbe.
Bien que je sois un superbe moi-même.
 
Add a "pas" in front of that.
 
11:37 PM
Tu n'est pas bien?
Affreux!
 
ce que/qui is the relative.
It’s fine.
 
It's great how they used a lot more ne-without-pas around 1830.
Je suis en lisant Le Rouge et le Noir.
 
Jais pas.
 
Stendhal!
 
It’s the ne-droppers who are weird.
C’est pas ce que je viens de te dire.
Or d’avoir dit or something.
 
11:39 PM
I don't think you can use viens with avoir.
 
It seems superfluous, yeah, but never let that put it past the French.
 
Dropping ne like that is modern informal.
 
Yup.
 
No, I don't think it's possible.
 
Ok.
 
11:41 PM
Of course I can't prove it...
 
You can’t prove you can’t do something?
 
Google agrees with you.
So does the NSA.
So you must be right.
 
Looking at Google Translate, I must say that does not mean much.
 
Oh, I don’t want to!
I’m content to have found no hits with the literal in French.
And yet anal clenching can be an extremely useful physiological skill at times, don't you think? — Sven Yargs 10 mins ago
People's ideas about grammar often tend to lend themselves to such behavioral phenomena. People's ideas about grammar are, for pretty much everybody in Anglophone systems, received from their English teachers. So be careful about pointing fingers, is all. — John Lawler 6 mins ago
Quoth the English teacher.
Well, not really, but still.
 
11:48 PM
Can I invest unhealthy amounts of time into my own building instructions? Or should it be into making/producing/whatever them?
Side note: I always type making as makeing and have to go back. Nine times out of ten.
@tchrist gee, anal sure is the word of the day or something.
 
Set up a map.

$ grep abbr ~/.exrc
abbr interphase interface
abbr Karen Karin
abbr Yuri Yuriy
abbr Yurii Yuriy
abbr wtih with
abbr tihs this
Those are the ones I can't spell right. :)
 
I'm on Windows now. Also, in this chat. No maps that I can see.
 
Well, they’re abbrs but still.
 
Anyway, I'm semantically satiated on the "investing time into noun" vs "investing time into making noun" front.
Now both sound equally absurd.
 
You invest time in making things, I think.
But: I invest time in planting my garden. I invest time in my garden. Hm.
 
11:53 PM
Well. Yes.
 
You put time into it, either way.
 
The whole sentence would be, "I also CAD a lot and invest unhealthy amounts of time in my own building instructions", if that helps.
 
But a garden is a real investment, something that takes time to develop. A lot of stuff you put time into just doesn’t.
Hm.
You invest time in writing instructions?
Is that what that is saying?
Here’s @Rob, he’s fresh.
 
Huh?
 
Well, them's LEGO instructions, so I'm not so much writing as I am GIMPing.
 
11:55 PM
Is “building instructions” normal in that world? What about just plain designing stuff?
 
7 mins ago, by RegDwighт
Can I invest unhealthy amounts of time into my own building instructions? Or should it be into making/producing/whatever them?
 
These are how-to-build instructions, right?
 
@tchrist ah, no, building is an adjective there. Or perhaps building instructions is a compound. It is one unit.
@tchrist yes.
 
That’s what I was looking to learn.
 
I think you would use "invest ... in" rather than "invest ... into"; that's the only issue I'd have.
 
11:56 PM
He”s stared at it too long. Need fresh eyes.
 
@Robusto yeah, tchrist silently fixed that one for me.
 
You can put unhealthy amounts of time into your own building instructions.
 
Very well. Thanks very much.
 
Can we get back to anal now?
 
But you can send your whole words to the abbrtoire and they will come out chopped to pieces.
 
11:58 PM
@RegDwighт Autohotkey.
 
Back to anal ... heh-heh.
 
But not in French.
 
@tchrist huhuh, you said "back" and "anal".
@Robusto jinx.
 
Unquote.
 
Collocation.
 
11:58 PM
Colloncation.
 
Culocation.
 
!!/jinx
 
Tasty.
 
Take a high Cologne-ic.
 
11:59 PM
Kern.
In Britty.
Closest they get to Köln.
 
Kölnic.
 

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