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@Mitch ... You're from the South?

Anyway, somehow I resolved it by thinking how magnanimous to respect the lives of the poor dead soldiers on the losing side.

@Mitch similar to how I support teams in tournaments. I support who ever wins

@Mitch Well, I agree with that.

@KitZ.Fox How do you increase the average intelligence of both Virginia and North Carolina?

Send an idiot from Va to NC.

2:06 PM

@Mitch Tell me.

Haha

So if you count Va as the South then yes

It's below the Mason-Dixon, it's the South.

@MattE.Эллен It's a trick, waiting til the right moment to choose though.

@KitZ.Fox Maryland and Delaware are also, but are usually not considered southern

By you, maybe.

Besides, that's because nobody knows where Delaware is.

Oh. haha. mind rearranges

2:08 PM

they are delunaware

Maryland is certainly a grey area. Also a Gray area. Get it? Ha!

no. is that because of the cookies?

(because the Confederate Army wore grey uniforms.)

ha ha. hai, fish! = shark

oh

2:10 PM

@KitZ.Fox when they could afford uniforms

(so "the Blue and the Gray" is usually about the Civil War)

poor white oppressed men

Well, that war was horrific for all involved. I mean, not just the battles. Andersonville, right?

And Savannah. Well, Atlanta.

Rock Island, amirite?

Once Lincoln was in it, he was in it to win it.

2:13 PM

stamps floor "We are the Champions"

@KitZ.Fox Sherman you mean?

Sherman's March to the Sea, yes.

And Lincoln was the one who declared total war. Kinda not awesome.

Oh...hmm. This article says that was Grant, but Lincoln would have had to approve that, I think? He was still commander-in-chief. I don't think the Dept of War could decide that without any oversight.

@KitZ.Fox It sounds like a pleasant outing, except for maybe sand getting in where it would chafe.

and jellyfish. those are the worst.

So. I'm not Southern, but I see their point.

user208178

I came across this word somewhere "carpophobia". I didn't know we had a word for fear of (one's) wrists.

I just watched an entire 2 minute ad for Poise. It was very funny.

2:24 PM

Total war

Total war is warfare that includes any and all civilian-associated resources and infrastructure as legitimate military targets, and typically involves the use of weapons and tactics that result in significant civilian or other non-combatant casualties, whether collateral damage or not. American-English Dictionary defines "total war" as "war that is unrestricted in terms of the weapons used, the territory or combatants involved, or the objectives pursued, especially one in which the laws of war are disregarded." The term can also be applied when the war effort requires significant sacrifices by...

looks like Sherman was the first to use the term but the idea has always been around.

@KitZ.Fox I hesitate to ask...what is Poise?

@Mitch Pee pads.

@VitaminC you can make a name for any fear

For stress incontinence.

user208178

@MattE.Эллен true :)

"the term [total war] nevertheless most closely approaches the state of affairs between the Pawnees and the Sioux and Cheyennes"

also the Mongols

spreads the blame

@KitZ.Fox piddle-pack?

@KitZ.Fox you mean it doesn't work as well for other kinds?

2:29 PM

Yes.

oh for like laughing and peeing a little?

Because you only get a little leakage with stress incontinence.

Yes.

@Mitch Sort of.

a piddlepack is for quantity urination.

Right.

So are things like Depends, as I understand it.

you know, a man-sized discharge

2:31 PM

Eww.

I know!

I suppose you need to do something when you're a pilot.

you gotta go when you gotta go

Which reminds me, I gotta go.

omg, Johns Hopkins just published a study that says high levels of folate and B12 during pregnancy can increase autism risk.

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

►

"thank you"

2:33 PM

haha

But seriously. OMG!

@KitZ.Fox JFC! after all those years of docs saying take lots of them

Right!?

I'm not listening to doctors anymore.

that piece of bone sticking out will heal just fine by itself.

@KitZ.Fox but then again, they're not saying what the risk increase really is, relative or absolute.

I was put off when the doctor told me to take folate and I asked her what foods were good for that and she looked at me like I had two heads and told me to take a supplement.

> The researchers said excessive levels of both nutrients boosted the risk level 17.6 times.

@KitZ.Fox yes, I like foods better. But evolution isn't perfect or even optimal.

2:36 PM

I know, but holy crap, let's start with my diet.

@KitZ.Fox that's relative risk. (still terrible) but relative.

wait that's really bad

This is "overdosing" on both. It's lower but still high for either one alone.

> The study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, has been condemned as alarmist by other scientists, who warned expectant mothers to treat the findings with extreme caution.

@KitZ.Fox there's a lot of folate and B12 in deep-fried clam strips.

but lots of cholesterol too

OK. turns down alarm

@Mitch Really? Well, I can't eat clams anyway.

Oh, News. sigh

2:37 PM

I can eat dark leafy greens though, and that helps with lots of things.

@KitZ.Fox I made that up. not the cholesterol thing. molluscs and shellfish have lots of cholesterol for real.

OK, so after reading more, basically they are saying that folic acid deficiency is not good, but that doesn't mean take as much as possible, because that's not good either.

can I say 'duh'?

Well. I mean, you can consume high quantities of certain things and not worry about it.

Like vitamin C, which will hurt your stomach and your mouth, but isn't otherwise harmful.

too much fiber will 'block' you up

too many calories will puff you up

too much oxygen will cause convulsions.

oh right, toxicity level for vitamin C is way beyond mechanical consumption possibility.

2:42 PM

In this case, maybe we ought to check if a woman has folate deficiency.

but I think vitamin A can be consumed in toxic quantities

Yes.

It's difficult, but possible.

Same with water.

But you can take too much zinc or iron without too much difficulty.

MDMA-induced hyperwaterality

that sounds legit

what's greek for water?

2:43 PM

hydro?

I thought A was easy to take too much of

duh

1 min ago, by Mitch

but I think vitamin A can be consumed in toxic quantities

@question_asker Oh. Probably as a supplement.

Otherwise, it's a lot of carrots and sweet potatoes.

orange palms

And everything else.

2:44 PM

ewww.

eye whites?

Pretty sure.

not worth the halloween effect

Two or three pounds of carrots per week, according to some random site on the internet.

I can't be southern because I don't like: sweet potatoes, lima beans, black eyed peas. also, I'm neither here nor there about watermelon.

What about Krispy Kreme?

2:47 PM

Ugh. hate them. all that sugar all over your fingers and mouth

Hmm. Southerner by birth, Northerner by the grace of your tastebuds.

Dunkin Donuts is the best.

wow

I can mark different years of my life by which was my favorite style of donut at the time from DD

It's like someone French who doesn't like cheese.

What kind of person is that?

I feign shock at someone liking DD more than KK, but I lived in MA at the time when they briefly brought a KK there and it was like a beacon in the fog

2:48 PM

What kind of person doesn't like cheese?

3

jerks

bad jerks, in fact

weird too

I didn't understand KK until I had one hot.

I understand that it's terrible.

But I continue to not understand DD. Their coffee is terrible. Give me Tim Horton's any day.

2:50 PM

I grew up in a place with both, but slightly more KK. Moving to MA got me tired of DD real fast.

@Mitch It was nothing like I had ever experienced before.

I don't impugn the taste of the idiots who prefer KK, I just question their ability to function day-to-day

Honestly, the biggest thing I miss, donutwise, from "home", is cream sticks. Maple cream sticks, specifically.

@KitZ.Fox I expect it to be like one's first roadkill.

I can't find those anywhere

2:51 PM

@Mitch No. No. It was like hearing music for the first time.

(iirc, they're called 'long johns' in some places if 'cream stick' is confusing to you)

@KitZ.Fox yeah...the Dead Kennedys

@Mitch Sure, sure. Not for everyone. But they taste so much different than they do when they are cooled off.

@question_asker I was confused. But I think they use 'stick' for that at DD

point being: cream sticks are good as fuck

especially with the maple stuff on top

2:53 PM

@KitZ.Fox cigarettes = cancer stick, KK donuts = diabetes ring

DD on the other hand are complete meals for 5 for a day packed into deliciousness.

I remember when I was first out of school. Those were my 'strawberry filled' days. Not strawberry jam, I don't care for those (I'm sorry DD!) or strawberry icing (that's for kids!) but strawberry filled.

yeah jelly donuts suck

Then there was the year I switched from chocolate stick to regular stick. Big changes in life happen all at once. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

garbage donut, do not eat

I like the chocolate eclair ones.

I don't like the chocolate donuts.

I like lemon filled.

Boston cream I can't get anymore. They are too good.

2:58 PM

Oh, that's what I was thinking of. You can't get them anymore?

Because you eat them all?

Oh..no.. I meant I can't buy them anymore because they are too good.

I shouldn't get them anymore.

Maybe half of one.

@Mitch Don't do it.

It's hard to cut them in quarters

did you use them to mop up the leaked-out goo?

or did you let the goo just go to waste

3:14 PM

Seriously, if you have the thought "toenail fungus nearly ruined my life", you probably ought to have your life ruined as a lesson in depth.

are you reading thought catalog

3:39 PM

This is funny, but it has to be made up.

Exploiting biases against Americans. I mean, come on. American Odinists who are against mixed-race marriage...? Hmm. Well.

I suppose Odinists might be a front for white supremacists, come to think of it.

Although I've known two and neither one was, but still.

Yeah, not hard to find connections between those groups

I suppose that one guy might have been. He was the biggest liar I ever met.

4:01 PM

@KitZ.Fox Those types usually are, knowingly or not.

I don't know much about Odinism.

Or any "ism" for that matter.

"Isms, in my opinion, are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself."

puuuuuuure ideology

Pure gold:

but in all seriousness, norse mythology, scandinavian black metal, etc - lots of crossover with white supremacy

4:06 PM

Yeah, I googled "odinist" and the first page was all about Odinism and white supremacy.

Awkward.

I thought it would be more like you know, bonfires and drinking. Casting runes. Forging stuff. Rowing in very long narrow boats.

Another one of my stereotypes debunked.

they probably do that stuff too

Well, that sounds awesome.

Awesome essay

Black metal = White supremacy? ironic

@KitZ.Fox Vegans?

@MετάEd They like it, they just don't eat it.

@MattE.Эллен Well that was a mistake. Fluctuations went everywhere. Vacuums fluctuations

@KitZ.Fox Some people dislike it because of bad associations. It's like the aversion to meat. I know people who hate the smell of meat because to them it's yucky burning flesh. Sort of like a bug aversion. Incidentally, I am now able to report that grasshoppers are tasty in a taco.

4:25 PM

Yeah, I know. It was one of those incredulous outbursts.

My ex- hated cheese.

It was one of the things that -- well. You know. Things.

Cheese is proof that cows love us and want us to be happy.

odinist > paganist > satanist > WS

That's your link.

@Mazura If I understand this right, the satanists resent the implication :-)

Who cares? ;p

Vampires, all of them.

yeah uh that sequence is definitely off

4:29 PM

The sequence, perhaps.

Christians are also blood-drinkers.

Where do they go on the list?

Oh wow. New EPA regulations for methane emissions.

Shafizadeh

"That column never updates" Is a correct sentence? or should I remove that "s" which is in the end of "update" ?

@Shafizadeh It is correct.

Shafizadeh

ok thx

4:47 PM

I really like these articles. I needed this one.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How accepted is ‘f***ing’ in informal conversation? by Alan Wood on english.stackexchange.com …

5:05 PM

> The only tactic you’re allowed to take to fight abortion is directly fighting the medical procedure of abortion, through legislation, through yelling at people and through never talking about anything else. Suggest a more holistic approach, and these people will tell you you’re secretly pro-choice and probably also gay.

I guffawed just then.

How did I end up down this rabbit hole?

@KitZ.Fox Perusing non-SE internet. That's what you get. Morons.

Are you calling me a moron?

chef-kisses-fingers @ that blockquote

It's from a Patheos article.

@KitZ.Fox No, I couldn't figure out how to punctuate that one. Prob needed a colon.

5:15 PM

I'm not clear on who is moronic. I thought the author was eloquent.

tchrist

Angel Moroni

The Angel Moroni (/moʊˈroʊnaɪ/) is, in Mormonism, an angel who visited Joseph Smith on numerous occasions, beginning on September 21, 1823. According to Smith, the angel was the guardian of the golden plates, which Latter Day Saints believe were the source material for the Book of Mormon, buried in a hill near Smith's home in western New York. An important figure in the theology of the Latter Day Saint movement, he is featured prominently in Mormon architecture and art. Three Witnesses besides Smith also reported that they saw Moroni in visions in 1829, as did several other witnesses who each said...

I try to curb my use of ellipses; they'd be the only thing I use. Them and both colons.

Are ellipses a them or an it?

@tchrist Behold! I bring you these fithtee--- Ten! Ten commandments.

@KitZ.Fox "and probably also gay" isn't very eloquent.

Demisemihemidemisemiquaver

It was intended to be surprisingly humorous and it was.

5:33 PM

@Mazura It

6:38 PM

@MattE.Эллен I forgot to tell you that I found I had one MtG card valued around $15 and a few in the $3 - 5 range as well.

@KitZ.Fox Which ones?

Umm...

Hang on a sec.

If it's past that 'thrull' expansion, I've no idea anyway.

I doubt it. It's from the Revised Edition.

Demonic Tutor.

Lightning Bolt.

@KitZ.Fox heh. There's like 8 of those now (or more).

6:42 PM

Sol Ring.

Black Vise.

And a few others that I don't remember from looking at the deck.

@Mazura That's the one that's about $15.

Those four cards have been in almost all my decks.

Dark Ritual.

Vise or ring?

Pardon?

Black Vise is $15?

I'm rich!

6:43 PM

No, Demonic Tutor.

Black Vise was maybe $2.

Do you have the cards from 1994, or are yours new printings?

I haven't played MtG since then.

Well, since 1995.

One of my personal fav is my unlimited Unholy Strength with the pentagram.

I started right after Legends ended: 4th.

I have two Unholy Strength. Those were better than a quarter, I think.

I have so much Swamp and Mountain.

@KitZ.Fox I have so many DRs that some have been used as proxies with magic marker on them ;)

Worst part is my friend made a zombie deck out of my cards that I can't beat.

It's unstoppable.

Not even the Red Deck can beat it.

I used to have two Oubliettes but that deck got stolen at school ;\

mmmmm that smell...

7:17 PM

What unabridged English dictionaries are available online without subscription?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:45 PM

the OED is online and is free for many people who have a library card from a participating public library.