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12:00 AM
I hope you find the rectangle I have just produced useful for your punctuation needs. Thank you.
 
user227867
Hello @tonepoet you have got a lovely picture there. =P
 
12:13 AM
@WillHunting Yes, I think so too obviously. It's a piece by Arthur Rackham for one of the 1907 editions of Alice in Wonderland, so it's public domain under U.S. Law.

Unfortunately the smallest size of avatar on S.E. doesn't quite do it justice, but I think that's a problem with most avatars here. It'd be nice if S.E. just eliminated some of the marginal space on the bottom and sides of the avatar to make it look slightly better. I'd crop it more but I think the animals crawling on Alice's skirt is a nice touch in the original artwork, so I'm not quite sure what to do about that.
The overall tone of the picture also matches the background colors here nicely.
 
 
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1:52 AM
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Q: Why is the letter "c" pronounced like /s/ when it comes before “e”, “i”, or “y”, but as /k/ elsewhere?

Claire78Could you please tell me why from an historical point of view that when the letter c comes directly before the letters e, i or y in English that we use the /s/ sound, but in other cases we use the /k/ sound? For example, c represent /s/ in city, center, century, cycling, but it represents /k/ in...

 
 
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2:59 AM
@tchrist Even though I dislike comment answers, and I have come to learn that this is indeed the appropriate course of action network-wide when a comment is really answer, I think maybe you jumped the gun here.
 
@Tonepoet If you could rewrite the past, what would your recommendation be in this instance?
 
My opinion is the comment you made a community wiki answer is really a complete answer, unless somebody can explain why it is this way in French and if they can do that they probably deserve full rep. for such an answer, whereas right now it'd seem too close to a duplicate.
 
You find it a complete answer?
I’d be very happy to have Janus answer it, trust me.
 
@tchrist ^Not
 
Ah.
That makes more sense.
Well, I didn't want the question to get closed or disparaged.
Was there a duplicate with a good answer?
 
3:04 AM
When something is "not an answer" it is suggested to post a comment instead by the flag reason "This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether." so my opinion is that the comment is a valid comment.
@tchrist There's a broader question that's closed as too broad.
 
Cowards.
 
This is it:
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Q: Why is /k/ sometimes spelt with a C, and sometimes with a K?

CrossBonesThis may sound silly. But I'm really confused why, when we pronounce (the phoneme) /k/, we sometimes spell it with a C and sometimes with a K (sometimes with CK). Why wasn't 'k' used instead, in such words as: car, cake, etc...?

Upon reconsideration maybe it's not actually as close as I thought though.
 
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A: Why is the letter "c" pronounced like /s/ when it comes before “e”, “i”, or “y”, but as /k/ elsewhere?

tchrist TLDR: Because Latin mostly first came to English through French, we picked up the French habit of pronouncing most Latin-derived words with ⟨ce⟩ and ⟨ci⟩ using /s/ or sometimes /ʃ/, but never /k/. We also got into the habit of not changing spellings once established. Below please find ...

> Why is /k/ sometimes spelled with a CH, and sometimes with a QU?
Needs editing, but I need sleep.
 
'kay.
 
3:20 AM
I wanted Janus to give an answer that touched on all those things.
But it would have been too much to ask of someone else.
 
If somebody posts an answer as a comment, it's unlikely they're willing to write a full answer, unless the question was closed when they did it.
 
To those of us who know it, it makes sense.
In its own inscrotable way perhaps.
 
@tchrist That can be said of many things.
 
But to some poor L2 learner looking at it from outside of what happened to Latin under its Romance evolution and how that got injected into English, it makes no sense at all an never will.
So say for example a Chinese person or a Persian. Heck, even a Russian who had no Romance.
Because all these crazy things happened after Latin had laid down its hard-and-fast c-is-k rule.
 
You can type much faster than me by the way, unless you were working on that answer already.
 
3:26 AM
Tolkien’s son Chris wanted Celeborn written Keleborn and Cirith Ungol written Kirith Ungol because he didn't think people would understand how to say those otherwise. I rather think he was right. But Tolkien wanted to use Latin rules, and he still expected people to know them.
Of course, they don't.
Great Caesar’s Wiki!
Cultures with alphabets newer than Rome's will probably never understand why we don't change the spellings.
It would cut us off from our past.
So you are stuck with the situation that you cannot learn the language without learning its history, because nothing will make sense otherwise.
It’s a terrible burden to impose on L2 learners.
But it is a rich well which L1 speakers will drink from their whole lives long, returning to it again and again.
A lot of languages were first written down very recently, are spoken by only a comparatively few people over a small area.
L1 speakers of those languages just cannot understand it when those conditions no longer apply.
 
Well said.
 
Thanks.
I did remove some meanders into futhorc and such.
> Careful readers of [*Commentarii de Bello
Gallico*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentarii_de_Bello_Gallico)
will have noticed that ⟨þ⟩ is no letter of Caesar’s. Caesar
knew no dental fricatives, but the English did, so they created [a new
letter *thorn*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)) from the
rune of that name to represent the /θ/ sound they needed. As old thorn
eventually fell away under the influence of the Norman invaders who
wouldn't have known a dental fricative even if it had lisped at them,
 
@tchrist I'm guilty as charged. I would've taken inspiration from celestial if reading Celeborn if you hadn't told me that.
 
That's ironic.
 
Wait...
 
3:34 AM
Celestial is from caelus /kaelus/.
It is itself an example of the matter at hand.
Did you know that Celeborn is Sindarin for Quenya Teleporno?
A man before his time.
Most of our coe words are now ce; similarly for many cae words now ce.
That made them front vowels, so subject to the mutation.
 
@tchrist Hmm, I hadn't. I'm largely ignorant of most matters regarding etymology though.
 
Well, it's all mady-uppy.
Not by me, mind you.
 
4:10 AM
@tchrist I'm not entirely sure if you mean made-up, crazy or both. It's probably both with all things considered. XP
 
I’m applying the -y affective suffix to both halves.
 
 
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user227867
7:23 AM
It is a sunny afternoon in Antarctica, and it is Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights celebrating good over evil.
 
9:25 AM
Howdy
 
user227867
@Arrowfar Hello.
 
user227867
Hello @FrancescoCarcavallo welcome to chat. You will need 20 rep points overall to actually type something in chat, just to let you know!
 
Hello Jasper
 
10:14 AM
@FrancescoCarcavallo Just to add to what Jasper is saying, if you're curious about how to earn reputation points, you can read the help center page called what is reputation?.
 
10:41 AM
Has Google changed the way we get search results? It is giving results in boxes to me like oneboxing.
or maybe I need to refresh my browser.
 
user227867
11:06 AM
@Tonepoet My mum is Alice, and Alice is the main character in the Resident Evil film series, whose final film will be released in Jan 2017.
 
user227867
1:02 PM
@Tonepoet Maybe you can change your username to Alice in Wonderland to match your pic. =P
 
1:25 PM
@WillHunting clears throat — I'm afraid I might be too good at singing and wind up attracting unwelcome attention.
I would howl and holler and try to make myself as scary as possible instead.
 
 
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3:38 PM
Being a member of this website has lent itself to me learning the names of more lexicographers than anybody has legitimate business knowing. Does anybody else have an opinion on Eric Partridge's dictionary of slang and unconventional english, or his book "A Short Etymological Dictionary of Modern English?"
I have the etymology dictionary right beside me right now. I found a copy at a thrift store. It purports to give the etymologies of the 12,000 most common words in the English Language. Granted, that's bound to have changed since the 1960, but still.
 
4:20 PM
I have seen a lot things in my life... but, never anything like this. is it grammaticlly correct?
 
@JustynaNogala Yes.
However, its punctuation is wrong.
 
where?
 
> I have seen a lot of things in my life, but never anything like this.
Oh, you forgot of.
That’s the grammatical error.
My brain inserted it. :)
 
yeah I forgot "of" ;]
 
 
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5:38 PM
@tchrist I want the grammar tag changed to syntax-&-morphology.
You philologists plagiarize words and complain when nobody else understands what you' ae talking about when you abuse them. =P Just think of how beautiful it would be when everybody knows how to tag appropriately just by looking at the tag.
 
@Tonepoet haha
 
5:55 PM
@tchrist You think it's laughable eh? Why I ought to... More seriously though, that reminds me I had something I wanted to ask you.
 
@Tonepoet The problem is that there are humpty-gazillion questions mistagged but meaning a million things beyond or . If you make the tag and some hypothetical tag synonyms, you have just made a bazillionplex ill-tagged questions even sicker.
@Tonepoet Mostly I think blech, but that's visceral not analytical.
 
@tchrist That's what we call Helmar the Burninator to help us fix. =P
@tchrist Hmm, now I have to see if there are any S.W.Rs. for "gut feeling". =P
 
6:13 PM
@Tonepoet tummyache
 
@tchrist Or bellyaching.
 
 
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7:24 PM
> What’s another way to say monkey hunter?
Is that an acceptable question?
Why or why not.
It will certainly generate answers.
 
7:42 PM
It's slang for hunter of monkeys
Amirite?
I'm mean really. Am I right? I'm unsure of myself.
 
8:33 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: What do you call someone without a nationality? by user203437 on english.stackexchange.com
 
 
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11:19 PM
What is the tag for?
 
11:36 PM
@tchrist Helmar asked a question about that:
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Q: Is the vocabulary tag helpful?

HelmarIt seems to me that the vocabulary tag is mostly superfluous. I found this old post from 2010 which compares the tags words, which has since been rightfully discontinued, word-choice, single-word-requests and vocabulary. RegDwigнt asserts at the end that the words tag is a simple cop-out for so...

 

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