English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

3:00 PM

@Cerberus BTW, ping.

@MattЭллен Just what I would expect from a POVray cheater.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt I can't remember how to use POVray now, but it was an interesting package

Have you no shame?

not today!

Me neither.

:D

3:02 PM

Yeah. An interesting package that would take three hours to render the most basic 200x200 image with one light source and mat surfaces.

Robusto

*matte

RegDwigнt

"Mat: variant of matte". Merriam-Webster.

Cerberus

@Robusto Pung.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Fuck them. They call anything people fuck up in Google searches a "variant" of the real word.

But clearly you have no shame today either.

Cerberus

*Matt surfaces. And devours the ship whole.

Matt Эллен

3:04 PM

You rang?

RegDwigнt

Wha, you expect me to pass on an opportunity to use mat?

Aug 20 at 19:32, by RegDwigнt

Mat (Russian profanity)

Mat (Russian: мат; матерщи́на / ма́терный язы́к / мáтный язы́к , matershchina / materny yazyk / matny yazyk; Ukrainian: матюки, matyuky) is the term for strong obscene profanity in Russian and some other Slavic language communities. The use of mat is censored in the media and the use of mat in public constitutes a form of disorderly conduct, or mild hooliganism, punishable under article 20.1.1 of the Offences Code of Russia, although it is enforced only episodically, in particular due to the vagueness of the legal definition. Despite the public ban, mat is used by Russians of all ages and nearly...

Matt Эллен

:D

literally the rudest word in the world

Cerberus

Great.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt I did not know the Russians were so strict.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Yo mama.

RegDwigнt

3:06 PM

@Robusto also, they totally do not allow fuck as a variant of °Fuck.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Different temperature gradient, I guess.

RegDwigнt

They sit in your °Cuntry.

Take it up with them.

Robusto

Just as long as they don't shit in it.

Jasper Loy

You mean Kunt.

RegDwigнt

You mean °Kunt.

Seriously nobody can spell anymore.

Jasper Loy

3:07 PM

No, I mean Kunt.

RegDwigнt

Then you mean wrong.

Andrew Leach

Kelvin is a unit. It's not degrees Kelvin.

Jasper Loy

Only Reg himself knows what he means.

I do not understand about half the things said in this chat anyway.

Cerberus

So what's up with the degree sign?

To escape the censoring filters?

RegDwigнt

No.

Jasper Loy

3:10 PM

Maybe it is a hot day today.

RegDwigнt

And you are expected to read the entire transcript before chatting here.

Cerberus

I read the entire last 20 lines.

It was hard work.

RegDwigнt

1 hour ago, by Robusto

Oh, I forgot. You don't have seaweed in metric.

Cerberus

@AndrewLeach Hmm really? How about Celsius?

RegDwigнt

Read the entire next 2 lines from there.

Cerberus

3:11 PM

OK.

Jasper Loy

A moderator before banning someone in this chat must read the entire transcript first lol

Cerberus

Haha OK I get it now.

RegDwigнt

Surprise, surprise.

Customers who liked the transcript also liked the chat.

Andrew Leach

@Cerberus That's degrees Celsius. Kelvins aren't degrees. They're Kelvins.

Or maybe kelvins.

RegDwigнt

So much echo in here.

Jasper Loy

3:13 PM

@RegDwigнt The customers are all patients because the psychiatrist will see them now, lol.

RegDwigнt

Andrew is a chamber ot his own.

Cerberus

@AndrewLeach Hmm OK.

@RegDwigнt Would buy again B+++!

RegDwigнt

@AndrewLeach you're confusing them with °Calvinisms.

Jasper Loy

I still remember how to convert between K, F and C.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus do αςυμμετρια or ασυμμετρια mean anything to you?

Andrew Leach

3:15 PM

@RegDwigнt Well there you are. I'm Catholic.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus that's eBay, not amz.

Jasper Loy

KFC = Kentucky Fried Chicken, CKF = Calvin Klein Fragrance

RegDwigнt

Assi-Metrie.

Andrew Leach

@MattЭллен There was a question about that...

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt yeah. I think that's the right thing

RegDwigнt

3:16 PM

Assi is German for douche.

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach yeah, I've figured out the PUA unicode, I think

I don't know which sigma to use

Andrew Leach

σ

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt My German is limited to Eine kleine Nachtmusik.

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach ah. thanks!

Andrew Leach

ς is the terminal form.

Matt Эллен

3:17 PM

I see. thank you

the PUA stuff seems to be a mangling by MS Word

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Sure, the latter.

The former s is used at the end of a word.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus thanks!

Cerberus

How so?

Jasper Loy

By the way, can I buy Windows and Office without buying any hardware? If so, where is it sold online?

Cerberus

You would need the proper accents to make it proper Greek btw.

Matt Эллен

3:19 PM

@Cerberus can you add those? I have no idea what they are :D

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy That's why I keep teaching you more. If only you'd learn.

Matt Эллен

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A: Do “asymmetric” and “dissymmetric” have different meaning?

In an etymological approach to asymmetry, we must refer to the Greek word ασυμμετρια that means disproportion. In other words, asymmetry is a lack of symmetry that implies another element for making a comparison. This is an aseptic meaning. A situation where a heterogeneous element is introduced,...

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Is it like aso?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus short for asozial.

So presumably yes.

Cerberus

Yes.

Jasper Loy

3:20 PM

@RegDwigнt You can be my teacher in Germany in our future life.

Cerberus

We say aso.

@MattЭллен ἀσυμμετρία incommensurability perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/…

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus I think the British accent should suffice.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus ta!

Cerberus

No, a British accent is horrible in other languages.

@RegDwigнt We use aso primarily for "jerkish, egotistic", but also for "chav".

Matt Эллен

@JasperLoy yes. it's sold at microsoft.com

Cerberus

3:22 PM

For example, taking the last cookie is a bit aso.

Or taking up two parking spaces.

SrJoven

@JasperLoy Office is available everywhere software should be sold. Windows is likely sold as an upgrade or full product at the same places.

Cerberus

@jasper I would advise you to buy Windows and Office on Ebay. They have cheap OED versions there.

I remember looking into it a while ago, and Windows 7 was available for €30 or so.

Or $30.

Make sure you buy from a seller with lots of positive feedback, as usual.

skullpatrol

What are OED versions?

Matt Эллен

Original Equipment Distributor?

SrJoven

OEM?

RegDwigнt

3:25 PM

@Cerberus yes.

@Cerberus and yes.

Jasper Loy

@SrJoven Does full product mean I can install on a computer with say Linux now?

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt OK. But also chavs?

Jasper Loy

I wiped out my Windows with Linux long ago, now I kind of miss it.

Cerberus

@SrJoven Oops! Yes, OEM.

I am so used to posting OED in this room...

RegDwigнt

Who the hell are chavs?

Cerberus

3:28 PM

Of course oedqq automatically expands to Oxford English Dictionary....

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus ODE= ordinary differential equations, lol

Cerberus

Chav

Chav, (/ˈtʃæv/ CHAV) is a stereotype and pejorative epithet used in Britain. The stereotype was popularised in the first decade of the 21st century by the British mass media to refer to an anti-social youth subculture in the United Kingdom. The Oxford Dictionary defines "chav" as an informal British derogatory, meaning a young lower-class person who displays brash and loutish behaviour and wears real or imitation designer clothes. == Etymology == The term may have its origins in the Romani word chavi, meaning "child". The derivative chavette has been used to refer to females. The adjectiv...

RegDwigнt

Oh Matt Lucas.

Yeah totally.

Cerberus

Notice "anti-social".

RegDwigнt

I shall never notice anti-social. They are assis.

Cerberus

3:29 PM

Sometimes expanded to simply "lower class".

Jasper Loy

Asocial and antisocial mean different things in psychology.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Think Shameless, have you seen it?

@JasperLoy Yeah, but this is "popular" language...

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus By the way, are you still on XP?

RegDwigнt

I've seen Hugo Chavez. That was enough.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Yes!

Too lazy to switch, with too little benefit, on my current hardware.

@RegDwigнt Oh, my, yes, he was something.

His jumpsuits were definitely aso-kleding.

skullpatrol

3:36 PM

Do you read a lot about psychology @JasperLoy?

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol A little here and there, nothing much. I am particular interested in disorders, of course.

skullpatrol

There is a lot of pop psychology out there.

Jasper Loy

I think only mad people can understand mad people.

skullpatrol

Takes one to know one as the saying goes :-)

Jasper Loy

I suspect many shrinks are a bit screwed up somewhere too.

RegDwigнt

3:41 PM

Wait, an excellently comprehensive (as always) Language Log post is your starting point, and your follow-up question to that is "would you write this", which you ask of a random bunch of strangers on the Internet, no less. I am really not quite sure what you are hoping to gain from that. — RegDwigнt ♦ 15 secs ago

Matt Эллен

it shows research effort, but not comprehension.

Jasper Loy

There is a strange phenomenon on Math SE. Some askers will edit their question to gibberish after getting an answer. Maybe they don't want their professors to know that they sought help.

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен Yes, spot on.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy You think so? Like all doctors smoke, barbers have ugly hair...

I keep saying that.

Mitch

and cobblers kids have no shoes

or is it bad shoes?

Anyway, mmm...peach cobbler

skullpatrol

3:46 PM

Mathematicians who can't add.

Who say x but write y when they mean z but it should be theta :-)

Cerberus

Ah, I didn't know that one.

We do say, in Dutch, that the doors creak at the carpenter's house.

skullpatrol

Who wants to bring their work home with them?

RegDwigнt

Batman.

skullpatrol

You sir are the joker :-)

A top rank villain.

Mitch

2

Q: The Cobbler's children have no shoes

What is the origin of this phrase? Does this also apply in case of other professions? Like the goldsmith's children have no jewels or the baker's children don't eat cake?

etymology

RegDwigнt

3:53 PM

Villian Anderson?

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol You misspelled villain.

Mitch

The plumber's sink leaks.

RegDwigнt

Sorry, I forgot this chat had Microsoft Jasper Word enabled.

skullpatrol

GN

Mitch

The programmer's Windows machine always blue screens.

Jasper Loy

3:55 PM

Strange that Hugo left and Mitch appeared. The two must be one.

Mitch

Hugo is my alter ugo

RegDwigнt

Commute.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Ugo is my alter Hugo

Jasper Loy

@Mitch I will prescribe you some chlorpromazine.

It is midnight. I will go to bed in 2 hours.

Mitch

multiple personalities are not considered pharmaceutically addressable. But of course it is associated with other problems (depression, PTSD, etc) which can.

Jasper Loy

4:11 PM

1 USD = 1.25 SGD now.

Jasper Loy

5:11 PM

This chat is dead.

Zoe

5:26 PM

@JasperLoy BOO

Jasper Loy

@Zoe Oh! I left the upper room.

Zoe

@JasperLoy Btw, do you know why it's called the Upper Room?

Jasper Loy

@Zoe No.

Zoe

I think it is named after the Upper Room in Acts 20:

Ministering at Troas

7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upper room where they were gathered together.

Maybe, maybe not.

Mitch

6:05 PM

What about the basement? Surely they need lamps there.

(Conthinians II 12:17)

" I don't care what other people do"

"Maths is for everyone"

Cerberus

You sure that's not Deuteronomy?

Mitch

Pretty sure that's not in Deuteronomy. All they have there is a list of laws. The letters are all boring sermons except sometimes a story is thrown in to keep you awake "something might actually happen!")

skullpatrol

'Fair Use' may be applied when copying to a thesis etc. Is this site considered "etc."?

And yes, math is for everybody :-)

Zoe

o.O 2 Corinthians 12:17New King James Version (NKJV)

17 Did I take advantage of you by any of those whom I sent to you?

@Mitch Not about lamps but about disciples gathering

Mitch

6:21 PM

@Zoe It's a metaphor. Don't you get it?

Zoe

I don't really see how does 2 Cor 12:17 relate to the Upper Room?

Mitch

Also, depends on the translation.

Zoe

@Mitch I'm sure you meant it as a reflex joke

Mitch

What's a reflex joke?

skullpatrol

joke = joke

Zoe

6:23 PM

@Mitch An impromptu reply. like "O rly?"

@Mitch Do explain? Do you mean translation of Acts 20, translation of "Upper Room" or translation of "Gathering"?

@Mitch The verb "Synēgmenōn" means "gathered together" or "having come together", it occurs 3 times in the KJV. The root "sunagó" has these meanings: "to lead together, i.e. bring together, hence come together (pass.), entertain", it occurs 59 times in the KJV.

@Mitch The word "hyperōō" though, is rather special as it only appears 4 times and strictly in Acts. It means "Upper room or Upper chamber, upper part of the house". The upper room mentioned in Judges/Kings/Nehemiah and the Synoptic Gospels do not seem to have this word, though they were all translated as upper room in the NKJV.

Freddy

6:44 PM

14

Q: Eww! Has it crossed the pond yet?

I hear eww (sometimes spelt as ew) fairly regularly on American sitcoms, usually uttered by a scatterbrained beautiful blonde girl when she sees or hears something disgusting. I don't recall it ever being said when I was a child living in London, in the 70s it was common to utter yuck or ugh, the...

etymology american-english british-english exclamations

Mitch

7:18 PM

@Zoe Just messing around. I picked 12:17 randomly hoping that it would somehow be related. If it had, think of how impressive that would have been.

skullpatrol

But its not, so it isn't.

Mitch

You can do a lot better than 1% if you start keeping track of the patterns in what numbers people pick.

skullpatrol

ok ok

Zoe

@Mitch Also, I thought it was weird why you would put the II behind Conrinthians instead of infront. Or why the Upper Room would be mentioned in Paul's epistle...

Mitch

7:37 PM

@Zoe It's weird because I'm making stuff up.

Zoe

@Mitch I think it's disrespectful :)

skullpatrol

which is not nice