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1:19 AM
@aediaλ That squirrel must be on tranquilizers. usually they scamper to the middle of the street, stand there until a car is coming, then look both ways, then feint both ways, pop up in the air then randomly go in one direction or the other, like eaten a couple of acorn sized amphetamines.
 
As I read this 2.5 years later, your insistence that all language is spoken strikes me funny. What about sign language? Surely there are other forms of semiotics besides what we would call speech that would qualify as language. And if there are, it follows that written words and sentence qualify as language as well. We have communicated for years, you and I, and yet nary a spoken word has passed between us. — Robusto 2 mins ago
Take that, Prof. Lawler.
 
@Robusto Yeah, many linguists are like that.
He will no doubt insist that sign language is only a rendering of spoken language in some indirect way, or whatever.
 
I don't know why language should be so narrowly circumscribed.
 
It is hippie silliness.
 
@Cerberus It absolutely is not.
 
1:29 AM
I wouldn't say it was.
 
I know. I'm just affirming our shared belief.
 
@KitFox Erykah 谷歌
 
Hell, music is a language. Perhaps the best language.
 
He will probably say it's not language.
 
Ants communicate via chemicals. Even that can be language.
 
1:31 AM
For no reason other than to trample writing conventions, is my impression.
 
> He must be . . . very dim.
A David Bowie quote.
 
Heh.
No comment.
 
Figures FF would award him the check on that question as well.
@Cerberus Not a Bowie fan, I take it.
 
Umm not specifically.
But I'll click it...
 
1:48 AM
Where is @cornbread these days?
 
@Robusto he is so obviously wrong to say that hyphens aren't meaningful. but writing rules are hardly language.
 
They are part of language.
Though perhaps not an essential part.
 
If he had qualified his answer in some meaningful way we might have found some common ground. But he couched his response in the sensational, the confrontational, virtually begging for a fight. And so he shall have it.
 
You know him!
He's always like that.
 
I told him once his name should be spelled Lawyer, not Lawler.
 
1:55 AM
But it is really something about linguists, they all turn into vicious hounds when the subjects of traditional terminology and writing conventions come up.
 
He teaches the stuff. He has layers of knowledge.
I disagree with him a lot. but I feel he has different conversations going on so that in some, he may be right.
 
He sees only one perspective and only one tradition, his own.
 
2:42 AM
Never fight with a linguist. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
 
3:09 AM
This is not about experience.
It is about doctrinariness.
 
Are not doctrines built-up through experience?
== English == Wikipedia === Etymology === From Middle English, from Old French, from Latin doctrina (“teaching, instruction, learning, knowledge”), from doctor (“a teacher”), from docere (“to teach”); see doctor. === Pronunciation === === Noun === doctrine (plural doctrines) A belief or tenet, especially about philosophical or theological matters. The body of teachings of a religion, or a religious leader, organization, group or text. The incarnation is a basic doctrine of classical Christianity. The four noble truths summarise the main doctrines of Buddhism. ==== Related terms ==...
 
3:33 AM
Doctrine is the frame-work of life; it is the skeleton of truth, to be clothed and rounded out by the living graces of a holy life. It is only the lean creature whose bones become offensive.
Adoniram Judson Gordon, p. 194.
 
4:27 AM
@skullpatrol Not really...
A doctrine is not inherently related to experience.
 
@Cerberus That's very true. One can accept it on belief.
 
It can come from anywhere.
 
yes
 
It is just a very strongly, usually too strongly, held belief or approach.
 
 
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7:39 AM
Happy Tuesday
 
 
2 hours later…
9:44 AM
@MattЭллен Boo! I just had a haircut!
X and Y are still not talking to each other. This chat thus feels weird.
X and Y need to cast aside their pride and talk to each other again.
Pride is a very deadly sin.
 
Are you saying x and y are too proud?
 
Everything I want to say is written as above, no more, no less.
 
Nothing I want to say has been written above.
Remember you are the one who wanted to say it.
Not me.
 
@JasperLoy good for you! I was thinking about gettting a haircut, but it'll have to wait for a couple of weeks now
 
10:01 AM
Btw @Matt did the guy who ran into you while you were on your bike pay for the damages to your bike at least?
 
There were no damages to be paid for. I would have asked for money had there been.
 
icic
 
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Q: Word for "polluting pond of water by throwing stone to it"

AndromedaI am wondering if there is a single Word that describes the action of polluting pond of water or similar thing by throwing stone or any material. I thought there was a word that I read in Barrons GRE but I cannot recall. Thanks.

I think it's the same word as the one for disrespecting eldest half-sister by referring to her husband as girly-girl-manly-boy though he's amused but the rest of the family isn't.
 
:D
ah, this is off topic. He's looking for a single Word, not a single word. I don't know what a single Word is, Word is not a proper noun I've encountered before.
 
@MattЭллен you can download it from warez.ru. It's a good site!
 
10:15 AM
Thx for tha info dood.
 
Who is trying to insult @Cerberus, and why is he trying rather than succeeding? I mean, come on, Cerberus is a filthy dog for crying out loud!
 
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Q: Difference between "exercise" and "workout"

zangwWe can say: I will do exercise today or I will do workout today. Is there any difference between them?

 
I will do dishes today.
 
why has noöne pointed out that the noun workout is countable?
that is the main difference and noöne has said it.
 
I will do Newt Gingrich today.
It really all means the same thing.
 
10:17 AM
and for some reason Mary-louA is saying "I will do excercise" is ungrammatical
Why are these people answering this question so wrongly?
 
I dunno. The question is confusing me, so I'm staying away from it. I would clearly not say any of those things.
 
I want to send it to ELL, but I'm not sure it's good enough
 
Well, if it ain't good enough for ELL, what does that say about being good enough for ELU?
Mar 23 '11 at 13:35, by Robusto
The fact is, when someone begins a sentence with "the fact is," that sentence will probably contain not a single provable fact.
The fact is, when someone begins a question with "we can say", that question will probably contain not a single thing you can actually say.
 
@RegDwigнt yes. I'm wondering that myself.
I will drink milk today -> I will do exercise today
it's all fine
 
It's okay. Ish. It's not really fine.
I will exercise.
 
10:24 AM
good
I did exercise. Now my legs hurt
 
Fact is, every word that can be deleted, must be deleted. That is the only rule of English that actually exists.
We have easily OVER SEVEN questions dealing with that.
 
Is it deletion if you're changing a noun into a verb?
 
It's über-deletion.
Which is one kind of deletion.
 
:D
see: you could delete those two sentences and replace them with yes. you didn't therefore deletion is not necessary at all times
 
I'm only a pineapple learning the language, duh.
If someone doesn't follow a rule, that does not mean the rule doesn't exist. You anarchist.
 
10:27 AM
But anarchy in the English is OK
 
Remember remember the fifth secret chamber.
 
First off, not very secret. I can see them right there in the plan.
Second off, a through d. That makes four.
Third off, there's four ds. That makes seven
In conclusion: Y U SO RONG.
 
But yeah, Zahi Hawass is like the most famous Egyptian since Ra.
This guy is literally everywhere.
Turn on any channel. Right now, do it. Zahi Hawass will be on.
 
10:33 AM
Does anyone really roll on the floor laughing?
 
Certainly not Matt. At those prices he can't afford enough floor.
 
I can't remember ever actually rolling on the floor from laughter.
 
You must have hit your head against the door while rolling.
 
maybe the rolling on the floor is unrelated to the laughter
 
Like most comedians.
> How is the system of the poem in the English language? And, How is the Quartets?
I think all of them are fine. Thank you.
 
10:41 AM
I guess it's just like telling someone to go jump off a bridge; it has no literal meaning.
 
Oh it has a literal meaning alright. That's what literal means.
Take skullpatrol.
 
Define: literal
Please.
Or perhaps the more accurate question is how are you defining "literal"?
I'm assuming literal = actual.
 
11:02 AM
That's not the literal meaning of 'literal'
 
It's a very illiteral meaning of literal.
 
That makes me an illiterate? :(
 
or does it make you illiteral?
maybe you are figurative
 
How do you figure, my good fellow?
 
with a calculator, or in my head, depending on the difficulty!
 
11:08 AM
Are we literally having this conversation again?
 
I am having it figuratively.
With chips.
 
That's because you can't afford literality.
 
I can afford chips.
 
Today's Listening | Electronic / Chillstep (Mixsets day 26)
 
So much better than literally.
 
11:10 AM
Literal chips? I doubt it.
 
Poker chips?
 
At best you can muster virtual chips.
 
You will doubt everything for the fear of the work involved in not doubting it.
 
There is no work involved in not doubting. Ask a Christian, or other religionist.
 
@RegDwigнt I doubt that.
 
11:11 AM
No doubt.
 
Aug 13 '12 at 20:19, by RegDwight АΑA
Tragic kingdom.
 
Random.
 
@Robusto sorry, too much work.
@Robusto no, Gwen Stefani.
 
I knew it.
 
Aug 13 '12 at 20:21, by RegDwight АΑA
Nov 17 '11 at 20:15, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
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11:12 AM
Fucking iPad bugs. Them sucks.
 
Now this is random.
And it's just a couple messages later.
 
Calling something random is not random.
 
Unless you do it randomly.
 
But you didn't.
 
How would you know?
 
11:13 AM
You strive for randominion, but your tragic kingdom fails.
 
Calling a spade a spade. Is truth.
 
That's the thing with random numbers. You don't know.
 
Nothing is random. All is preordained. You just can't see it.
 
@Robusto if you think I strive, you think wrong.
 
OK, strive without effort.
 
11:14 AM
@Robusto oh I can. And I even will, for a mere 3000 dollars.
 
I think therefore I am not random.
 
I'm Onan, therefore I'm barbarian.
 
Random onions.
Onan got whacked.
 
Luck never made a man wise.
 
@RegDwigнt: You seen Moonrise Kingdom yet?
 
11:16 AM
18
 
Is that what you figure?
 
@MattЭллен Alice Cooper? TMBG? Moby?
 
@Robusto trepidation
 
@Robusto yes. A mixed bag. A very, very strong first forty minutes, but then it sort of disintegrates somewhat. A pity, really.
 
Vacuum boots.
 
11:17 AM
running is the antithesis of good manners
 
@RegDwigнt Did you only see it once?
 
So far I must say I liked Grand Budapest Hotel the most.
 
perhaps "non sequitur numbers" is a better description
 
What happened to my original question?
 
you had an original question?
 
11:18 AM
I think Wes Anderson films, like those of the Coen brothers, need to be seen a few times before you grok them fully.
 
Define literal.
 
That's hardly what I'd call original
 
@Robusto so far, yes. But I've seen Grand Budapest Hotel only once, too — and Rushmore, for that matter —, so that alone cannot be a defining factor.
@Robusto well they must be seen over 9000 times if only because there's so fckng much going on in every single frame. That's the whole point.
 
I was a little at odds with the finish the first time I saw MK. But I've grown to like it a lot.
@RegDwigнt You're making my case. It's true of Anderson as well.
 
11:20 AM
@Robusto ah, so I am not alone with my initial impression, after all.
 
> Literal noun — A misprint of a letter.
 
@RegDwigнt I didn't feel as strongly that way as you did, apparently.
 
Then perhaps I worded it more strongly than I meant to.
 
Thanks @Matt
 
@MattЭллен Littoral noun A misprint of a seashore.
 
11:22 AM
no probs :D
 
So anyway. Just because it bears repeating: my initial impression of Grand Hotel Budapest was that it's perfect. Superior to the Tenenbaums.
 
Your impressions give me a depression.
 
@RegDwigнt I didn't glow on about it as much, though I liked it a lot.
I want to see it again, though.
 
I think he really nailed it.
The characters were not quirky for the sake of being quirky. They totally worked.
 
You just like it because it's Eastern European.
 
11:24 AM
Ask Martha just how much we like Hungary.
Hint: tanks.
 
Whereas I freely admit that I have a warm spot for the Scouts thing, and the period. Anderson nailed the foibles and disconnects perfectly.
@RegDwigнt But you like repressing other countries.
Or oppressing.
Cf. Ukraine.
 
Well as I said, the first 40 minutes were spectacular. It's just that in a way there was nowhere to go from there but down.
 
See it again.
 
Or impressing cf Germany
 
I will. Dozens of times.
Speaking of which, and just to round it up, my impression of Life Aquatic basically stayed the same over the years. There's a fine movie in there somewhere, but God knows where it is.
 
11:27 AM
Life Aquatic puzzled me at first. But I enjoy watching it for the performances and the oddball Anderson moments.
 
The thing is I really want to love it, but if I'm being honest there's just something off. People say it lacks cohesion, perhaps that's that.
 
I agree with that. Still, it's fun to watch.
 
And yet every scene flows quite naturally from the previous one. It's really hard to pin it down.
@Robusto yeah I'd rather watch it for what must be the seventh time than most other movies for a second.
 
they probably use too many props
 
The thing about Anderson that really comes across is how much he really loves his characters, even as he is pointing up their flaws, foibles, and inconsistencies.
Especially then.
I would call his oeuvre a form of magical realism.
 
11:30 AM
One thing I noticed only recently, and no idea how I didn't notice it before, is that he really does like to badly hurt an animal a movie.
 
Yes. I did notice that.
 
I wonder what's the deal with that.
 
I think he does that to play against being too cuddly.
 
Well, he hurts people, too.
 
The make-believe garden that contains a real (mangled) toad.
He basically says, hey, we're imperfect, transient, dangerous, and living a precarious existence. But if you can't find beauty in the imperfection you need to try harder.
 
11:33 AM
That reminds me of that one movie I do wonder if I will watch a second time. Darjeeling Limited.
 
I did not see that one.
 
Still scratching my head over it.
 
I just figured out that I have to acknowledge pings on my iPhone by literally tapping on them :-)
 
And I had been warned in advance by many many people and critics alike. But I was still quite unprepared for this level of head-scratching.
 
But now that you mention it, I probably should.
 
11:35 AM
Yeah it's not like he makes a movie a year. When you only have half a dozen to cover, no point in covering just five.
Which was pretty much the only reason I did watch Darjeeling Ltd.
 
It actually escaped my notice that it was an Anderson film.
Till now.
 
It might continue to do so from now on.
Even as you watch.
 
Hey, the Coen bros. had their Ladykillers. Nobody hits 'em out of the park every time.
 
Yeah but those guys do make a movie a year.
Also, Ladykillers was teh awesum compared to A Serious Man.
 
I didn't see Intolerable Cruelty for ten years because I didn't realize it was a Coen bros. film.
 
11:38 AM
I actually like that one way more than people tell me I have a reason to, and probably more than it truly deserves.
 
I liked it a lot.
 
Now, True Grit, I just didn't see any point in it.
 
I avoided seeing it because it was a rom-com by someone else.
 
True Grit is technically superb in every respect. An exercise in excellence. But an exercise. An étude.
 
@RegDwigнt That was a puzzlement. An achievement akin to building a scale model of the Eiffel Tower with matchsticks.
Jinx, I guess.
 
11:39 AM
Yeah I suppose.
O Brother Where Art Thou is basically Life Aquatic. I want to love it, but something's missing, and it probably involves cohesion.
 
Same.
 
The Hudsucker Proxy is just the single most gorgeous movie ever made.
I am aware of the irony of saying that in a context of an Anderson discussion.
 
@RegDwigнt That's one I saw before I really knew who the Coen bros. were. And I left the theater puzzled. Only when I saw it later did I realize what a masterpiece it is.
 
The hula-hoop sequence is a chef d'oeuvre.
Which is not to say that the rest is not.
 
I thought it was in the same bag as Brazil. Random, weird, somewhat scary shit.
Barton Fink is one I'm still trying to come to grips with.
 
11:44 AM
I don't remember that one. Like, at all.
I recently rewatched both Fargo and Blood Simple, turns out I hadn't remembered shit, either.
 
Did you see the Fargo miniseries?
 
Nope.
Actually I think it was showing here not so long ago, so I may have zapped in a couple times.
Also I recently rewatched The Big Lebowski, turns out I still remember every single word.
 
@RegDwigнt I think I could recite that one from memory too.
 
I wonder when I'll give Burn After Reading another viewing. But certainly before A Serious Man, that much's for sure.
@Robusto yeah I watch it like every time it's on. And it's on like every week somewhere.
 
Anyway, the Fargo miniseries is well worth watching. It extends and deepens the film, and I didn't think that was possible.
 
11:47 AM
Hm.
K then, will look around.
 
@RegDwigнt I've seen BAR twice. First time I was just flummoxed. Second time I got into it, but not to where I think it's anything like a Coen classic.
And I didn't even hate Colin Hanks in the new Fargo. And I hate him in just about everything.
 
looks up Colin Hanks
Oh, that guy. He had a name? I didn't know that.
Yeah he's sleazy or something.
He only didn't ruin Dexter because Julia Stiles already had.
 
Yeah.
Fuck fuck fuck. All we have in the office is decaf. Who fucked that up?
Why not put sleeping pills in the medicine chest?
 
It's all because of Obamacare. Ask McCain if you don't believe me.
 
Everything bad that ever happened is Obama's fault.
 
11:59 AM
Even Obama is Obama's fault. Think about it. Think about it.
 
Surely he is his parents' fault.
 
No. His parents are his fault.
 
Oh. Right. I forgot how these things work.
 
Republicans hate Obama the way they love Jesus and tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
What? The wealthy pay taxes?
Who screwed this up? Obama?
 
12:03 PM
I know. The wealthy have had it so bad for so long, you forget just how much harm Obama has done and is still doing to these noble job creators exporters.
 
Also I watched Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai recently. And it was so delightfully old-school in every respect, I just had to like it. They don't make movies like that anymore.
Speaking of which, I bet you still haven't watched Broken Flowers. You still totally should.
 
@RegDwigнt I haven't. I keep forgetting.
Obama and his stupid decaf.
 
It's time for me to watch it again myself. It's been years, I don't remember much, just the general mood.
And Bill Murray.
Also I think some famous female lead whom you'd never recognize thanks to the makeup effort.
Could've been Wright-Penn.
Hm... not in the cast. Well I dunno then.
 
12:25 PM
@RegDwigнt That's Being John Malkovich you're thinking of there.
 
@KitFox yes, that kind.
 
The bot is going to spam for a bit until they fix it.
 
Who is they?
 
Congress is running in the midterms based on how low Obama's approval rating is. The trouble is, his approval rating is still like three times as high as Congress's. Theirs is lower than whale shit at this point.
 
Apr 20 '11 at 13:02, by RegDwight
Mar 24 '12 at 16:23, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Aug 25 '11 at 18:23, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Apr 20 at 13:02, by RegDwight
 
12:29 PM
Hiding the feed worked, except I don't know how to unhide it.
@RegDwigнt I don't know. The people who are responsible for it.
 
@RegDwigнt OK, you've made your point. Now kindly remove the Futurama wall. The link between Obama and Futurama, while not yet established scientifically, seems inescapable.
 
Dude. You're only afraid of the wall and the link cuz you're on decaf. True story.
 
Decaf is faced spelled backwards.
So I faced the situation backwards.
 
Better than feced.
 
South Africans pronounce it decef.
 
12:33 PM
Face/off backwards is ffo e-Caf.
It's like fo real, except the e- is a hint it's fake.
 
Face/off in any direction is a horror. I mean, Nicolas Cage and John Travolta, both at the nadir of their abilities?
 
They had to have it somewhere. And Con Air didn't fly low enough for them.
Like, Travolta wasn't even in it. Totally unfair.
 
He wasn't in The Rock, either. But that still sucked hippo weenie.
 
translate: bois
aww. looks like they fixed it
 
I mean, Ed Harris was in The Rock. Ed Fucking Harris. And Sean Connery as well. And that one still blew. I think we can safely blame most of that on Cage, but not all of it.
 
12:37 PM
@Robusto welcome to the club of people not jerking off to The Rock. Currently we're the only two folks in here.
 
@RegDwigнt Wha?
You're joking.
 
I wish I were.
 
People jerk off to The Rock?
 
Or perhaps you live in some happy la-la-land whereto they deport all the hators.
@KitFox mostly men. But also women. And Nicolas Cage.
 
I can categorically admit to never having jerked off to The Rock
 
12:38 PM
@RegDwigнt Why?
 
You ask me? I'm in that club where they don't know, remember?
 
Oh, oh, do you mean the movie or Dwayne Johnson?
 
The Rock, Face/Off, Broken Arrow, Con Air—all of these fall under some sound-and-the-fury category.
 
Because in that case, I might have to change my answer.
 
Independence Day is in that category.
Worst travesty of science in a film, I believe.
And I'm including all three of the Jurassic Park films.
Well, I may be forgetting about Signs.
Hmm. Signs. Aliens advanced enough to have interstellar travel but don't realize the Earth is full of water, and that that would be harmful to them.
when m. night goes down in the city
Thank you, Journey.
Among the other crimes perpetrated by Signs would be: utterly wasting Joaquin Phoenix in a role.
 
12:47 PM
Signs is terrible. I found it tense, though
 
I have the same problem with Shyamalan that I do with Crichton. There's a good thing and it gets exciting and then the ending fails to deliver. I've had quite a few dates like that, come to think of it.
 
I don't remember anything about Signs. Except the rubbish tacked-on Christian message. Then again, that was probably intended.
Same for I Am Legend.
Really, I could become a Christian just from watching shit.
 
lolwhut?
 
I thought you already are a Christian?
 
Exactly. Hence, "could".
 
12:51 PM
oh
 
We have a question about can vs. could, Matt. You should look it up!
 
I know how to use them. I would have phrased your statement with one or you
otherwise it sounds like you're not
 
Well, I am I, and I am also one, so everything's in order.
 
@MattЭллен Reg is Christian? Really?
 
@RegDwigнt good, good
@JasperLoy you're asking me? Reg is right there!
 
12:52 PM
If I said "you" or "one", that'd immediately move it to the realm of offensive non-PC stuff.
But no offense can be taken when I mean just myself.
The Communist school of writing. You should visit.
 
Looks for the address
 
Today I walked for about 2 hours, but I am still fat.
 
try jogging
it's really strenuous, but it makes you sweat a lot, so you'll lose weight
 
@MattЭллен I think it's 19/17, Ulitsa Kommunistov.
 
top heavy fractions! very communist
 
12:58 PM
Binaural melon relaxation.
 
sounds just up my street
 
@RegDwigнt Harrumph. When did Russian Orthodox get to be construed as Christianity?
 
You want the link?
 
@Robusto as soon as they looked up "ortho" in a dictionary of their choice. Also, "ox".
 
@KitFox yes please
 

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