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1:24 AM
@GorchestopherH "in"?
 
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1:38 AM
@GorchestopherH One would need the whole sentence to answer the question.
 
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@Robusto At least he did not say "Shut the fuck up Donny!"
 
2:33 AM
@JasonBourne That was said fondly. Donny was a sympathetic character.
 
 
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3:48 AM
@tchrist Dominus insularum, or possibly insularis.
What island near Iceland had 30,000 inhabitants?
That is a lot.
 
 
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12:19 PM
So, do we have anyone to look at "folar"?
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Q: Question: Peter's File

folarDoes "Peter's file" mean 1) a set of records, documents, and information that Peter owns/possesses, or 2) all the information on Peter?

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Q: Meaning of 'apply to'

folarI saw this article and have a question about the phrase 'apply to': economist ON JANUARY 18th the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) announced that the number of working-age Chinese shrank last year by a total of 3.45m. In the slow-moving world of demography, that is a big turning point....

 
 
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1:21 PM
Hej
I'm looking for best practices for handling language support in a WPF application. Do any of you have experience of it?
 
I don't think I know what that is. Sorry.
 
Wpf is the .NET gui framework. I need to make a GUI that supports multiple languages. I'll start googling, thought I'd ask here before finding something sub-optimal on the internet.
How are you feeling today Fox?
 
Better, thanks.
@JohanLarsson Oh right. Well, I know some .Net. Maybe I could help?
 
I'm reading this now dunno if it is good.
 
Oh. That stuff.
 
1:34 PM
At this point I'm looking for links to resources such as best practices. Have not done any previous work with this before, going to do some reading.
 
I guess I can't really be helpful. Maybe @Reg or @Matt has some ideas. I think they have multinational codez.
So the good news is that I only lost about an hour of my users' data.
And I am back where I started from on Friday afternoon.
 
That is good, is there a way of figuring out who was affected?
 
Not really.
I could guess, but I am sure I will hear from the most annoyed ones.
It was right during prime time.
I may still finish the expansion before the project lead notices though.
 
I was thinking maybe router logs or something could give clues but i really have no clue when it comes to that type of thing
 
I know their last login time, but we don't track sessions, at least not to my knowledge.
And since I wrote it, I probably have the best idea. Except of course all that part is canned.
Off to test the new logins. Ping me if you need me.
 
2:05 PM
goddamn hiccoughs
 
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@matt Still no sign of damage!
 
yes. except for these hiccoughs
 
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I think it will happen in a few hours...
 
and my bike still needs some work done to it
 
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I still have my association bonus...
 
2:07 PM
that's nice
I still have these hiccoughs
 
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I am considering switching to yahoo mail and yahoo search.
 
I'm considering autoasphyxiation
 
Make sure you put the erotic part in.
 
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By the way, you UK users are not affected by the google image search thing yet, I read.
 
Try holding your breath and swallowing.
That usually fixes it for me.
 
2:09 PM
oh!
maybe that's got it
 
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I need to get out the gas and maybe the hiccup will stop after half an hour.
 
user19161
Just try to burp as much as you can.
 
burping won't help with hiccoughs
 
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Really? Hmm...
 
they're down to a spasmodic diaphragm
 
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2:11 PM
Just remove the diaphragm then.
 
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By the way, does yahoo make its own browser?
 
well, burping might help in so far as it makes you concentrate and control your abdomen
@KitFox it's a miracle!
 
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I am thinking we have google chrome, google search and google mail, as well as internet explorer, bing and hotmail all from microsoft.
 
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So since we have yahoo mail and yahoo search, yahoo should have a browser too!
 
there's also android and chrome OS, Windows and Windows Phone
 
2:13 PM
@JasonBourne What Google image search thing?
 
@JohanLarsson Sadly I don't know the best way. I will have to find a way at some point, when we need to figure it out for our new app
 
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@AndrewLeach Google image search now defaults to two levels instead of three for filtering explicit content. Even if the filter is off, one needs more explicit terms to get the same results as before. This is starting to happen in the US, but not in the UK yet.
 
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@MattЭллен Now yahoo needs yahoo os and yahoo phone as well...
 
need? hmmm, I'm not sure they do
 
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OK, at least make the browser to complete the trilogy.
 
2:17 PM
@MattЭллен ok, I'll go with the vanilla MSDN suggestion. Will probably hack a dummy project and test, can github it if you want to review it.
 
@JohanLarsson thanks! I'll definitely do that at some point :D
 
So @Matt, were you here for my Friday adventure when I dropped the production database by accident?
 
Vaguely. I see you're back to square one
that's good, at least
 
I just got scolded by my boss.
My boss who never scolds.
 
oh dear
 
2:27 PM
sad panda
 
I was about to ask
What did he tell you?
 
That I should always backup the production database before I do anything on the server. Just in case.
 
right
I've had that telling off before
 
I told him I knew that, and I knew what I did was sloppy and I screwed up and that's why we're supposed to do the things we're supposed to do.
I offered excuses, and I said thank you.
He's very nice and I could tell he was displeased.
That's the hardest part.
 
indeed. it's a lot easier to take if they're nasty and you don't like them
 
2:31 PM
Or I can dismiss it as "whatever, asshole."
 
Gah. Now he's in my internetz, messing with my urls.
I'll have to test the logins later I guess.
 
I'm going to write a unit test! before I've written the code!
 
2:46 PM
Hiya @Mr.Shiny. Yeah, I really did.
 
At peak traffic after hours on Friday.
 
did you have a backup?
 
I couldn't have done it at a worse time.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Want to hear something funny? If you drop your default database, you can't access Sql Server anymore.
 
what do you mean, "can't access"?
 
2:47 PM
So don't be stupid and set your default database to your production database just because it's convenient.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It will stop recognizing your credentials.
 
aren't those stored in a different database on the same server, usually?
 
It will tell you your login fails because the default database is not found.
And you can't change it unless you are an admin.
 
So then you have to call your boss and admit that you did a very stupid thing at a very bad time.
We had the usual daily 4pm backup.
So I lost about an hour of data for a lot of users.
 
oh
well, that's not so bad
you weren't skydiving without a parachute
 
2:50 PM
It's not the worst thing ever. I am kind of traumatized though.
 
nah. the worst thing ever would be if you didn't have any useful backups. There was a company recently that folded because they lost all their prod data.
This is what the backups are FOR.
 
Plus, fight with husband turned out to be me being a jerk for no reason.
 
so relax. everything's fine. You'll tighten up your processes a bit and you can use this as ammunition for your fight to get more time to spend on process improvement all around.
 
I didn't have a very good weekend.
My mother-in-law took the eldest for an overnight and didn't put him to bed until 9pm.
We didn't get the sheetrock finished.
My husband woke me up every ten minutes or so last night between 9:30 and 11 because he was playing video games.
Well, anyway though. Today is better already.
 
yes! that's the ticket. Today will be better.
For one thing, your production database isn't going to be erased today. And you know your backup works.
 
2:58 PM
And I've gotten the scolding out of the way, although I still have the disclosure to the project lead to look forward to.
 
Well, one hour of lost work is not the end of the world. one day of lost work wouldn't be either. mistakes happen. I've had cases where a coding error led to a whole weekend of lost transactions.
the bosses were NOT happy about that
 
@KitFox You should probably tell all your users too
 
I put a notice on the site, and once the expansion launches, I will send an email to the users who were logged in on Friday.
I just don't want to delay the expansion.
 
good, good
 
The project lead was in this morning practically begging for one of us to delay the project.
"You know, we can delay the start if we need to. Don't hesitate to speak up if you need more time."
He can't stand my placid looks.
 
3:01 PM
why's he so desperate to delay?
 
Because he's the hold up and has been for the past week.
 
He's a political animal.
Which is to say, a jackass.
But I'm sure I've mentioned that before.
 
I read somewhere that politics is maybe the thing that drove humans to evolve intelligence.
not that it isn't annoying as hell.
 
3:04 PM
He's good at what he does, or so I'm told.
I have a hard time with...disingenuity.
 
@KitFox He's good at making what he does look good.
 
Disingenuousness.
@AndrewLeach "I want to extend my thanks and appreciation for..."
Which screams INSINCERE to me, but whateves.
If he wants it to say that, go for it.
 
"... but I can't because I've broken my arm"
 
Exactly. You get it.
 
@MattЭллен " ... but I can't because I don't have any thanks or appreciation"
 
3:07 PM
"Again, this work is not possible without caring, dedicated professionals like you."
So weasely.
Especially when there is no "again." That's the first time he mentioned it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My view is that we would probably have summerhouses on Mars by now if not for politics and such.
 
@JohanLarsson Martian summers are pretty damn cold though.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ".. if someone would send some my way, I would reimburse them."
 
And actually if you consider the politics of the cold war, they drove the space program pretty hard for politics. Once the cold war was over, governments didn't care about spending money on space exploration.
 
without the external threat there was no drive for internal cooperation
 
3:09 PM
@MattЭллен " ... I would return them promptly, good as new"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "Again, I will write other vague phrases that I hope you will interpret as relating to you positively in the hope that this will allow me to manipulate you."
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah you are right, my point is that politics and management in general is often where inefficiency and sub-optimization thrives.
(IME that is)
 
@JohanLarsson that's when you need to add the proper level of external competition to help large groups maintain good internal competition instead of bad.
 
no! the hiccoughs are back :(
 
That is the liberal argument, that the market fixes everything, i agree to some extent but I'm a firm believer that inefficiency is highly correlated to the size of the organization itself.
 
3:13 PM
@KitFox I worked with a guy who would set up an expectation of success, and a process that guarantees failure. Then he would encourage his employees to apply to jobs elsewhere so that they can be sure they are getting fairly paid here, meanwhile tell HIS boss that "so-and-so is looking for work, I am not sure he means to stay here; also he failed at task X, we should let him go"
 
Oh FFS. You have got to be kidding me. He's sent me updated text with embedded logos to "just paste" into the About page.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What an asshole.
 
@JohanLarsson wait, isn't it the conservative argument that the market fixes everything?
 
Oh, and it's in a Word document with auto-numbered bullets.
grits teeth
mentally punches project lead
 
@KitFox true story. Then he came to me and said that his team was making some changes to the way they did things, but that the new way would require a "culture change", which was his euphemism for firing people and hiring more easily-manipulated workers.
And the worst part of it was that he only had like 4 people on his team, all of which he hired in the first place (he having already re-cultured the previous team).
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 From what i have read of M. Friedman he is a believer. (I agree with him on many things)
 
3:16 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What a charmer.
 
@KitFox The irony? He was actually really nice in person if he wasn't your boss.
In many ways he's very smart and caring. But when it comes to his job, he's actually a psychopath.
 
I find that difficult to comprehend.
Well, maybe not. I'm a psychopath, but not at work.
 
I found it hard to comprehend too.
 
What's the html for a list? It says I can't do <li> in a <div>.
 
@KitFox please, you're hardly a psychopath. Or at least you don't act like one here.
@KitFox <ul><li> or <ol><li>
 
3:18 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't seem to have appropriate emotionality.
 
ul gives bullets, ol gives numbers
 
Thanks.
 
@KitFox But you care about other people and have a conscience and don't want to hurt others, right?
 
Uh...
If I were being honest, I'd agree with a lot of conditions.
Not in a fully unqualified fashion.
 
good enough for me!
 
3:20 PM
I mean, generally I don't care about other people.
My degree of caring is strongly related to how well I know and like a person.
I don't know if I have a conscience.
There are plenty of people I want to hurt, but wouldn't, mostly because it is too much effort.
 
@KitFox of course you do. otherwise it wouldn't bother you that you feel you acted like a jerk with your husband.
 
I was a total jerk. Crazy person. Not constructive. And the worst part is, I got my way, and then I was wrong.
It makes me feel sick.
 
You should tell him that also imo. (without knowing context)
 
I did.
 
[x] class
 
3:24 PM
@KitFox See? That's not just a compulsive drive to be a perfectionist. That's your conscience. Or if it IS just a drive for perfectionism, it will serve, if you redefine your goals to include "be nice to people". ;)
 
My drive is more along the lines of "do the most difficult thing possible."
E.g., "admit when you are wrong."
 
hey, at least you understand when you're wrong and are willing and able to reflect on things and improve. That's one of the most important things and so many people are terrible at it.
 
3:57 PM
GOP millionaire Friess wants Santorum, again
 
@MετάEd once you go back, you never, er, ... something.
 
Once you COMEFROM, you never GOTO?
 
4:13 PM
Is it correct that in the sentence "I did not know who the letter came from" the word "who" cannot be changed to "whom"?
 
@Szabolcs Just never use "whom".
 
Uh. I think you could. "I did not know from whom the letter came."
But I don't think I know anyone who actually uses whom.
Except ironically.
 
That way it sounds more natural (if you change the position of "from")
 
I think "from whom the letter came" is clearly correct, but I would never write "whom the letter came from".
 
I use whom. But then I'm reactionary.
And yes, "from whom" but never "whom....from".
 
4:18 PM
@Szabolcs If you put "from" at the start, it sounds more formal. At the end, it sounds more colloquial and natural. To me, anyway
 
I use whom too. But then I'm not a native speaker of English, and it often feels better to mark the object as it's always marked in my language ;-) So I don't really use it for the proper reasons
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So that's why whom sounded weird to me when from was at the end. Thanks for the input. :-)
 
@Szabolcs The use of "who" as an object is so common that it cannot really be called an error. The fact is that most English speakers nowadays simply cannot determine when it should be whom and when who. That means it's not really part of the language anymore but rather an arbitrary rule. You can use "who" all the time and nobody will blink. But if you put a whom where only "who" works, people will notice. It will make you sound like you're trying to be overly formal and it will make you wrong.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh I'm not calling it an error, and my question wasn't even if I should use who or whom. I know that the who form is fine. I just wanted to know if the whom form is also correct in this particular situation (and not because I wanted to use it).
When I do use whom, it is not because I want to sound "correct", it's just an "accident", something like a literal translation from my own language. (I.e. something that usually produced bad English, not good English)
It's just interesting to think about grammar sometimes. That's why I asked.
Got to go to work now, bye :-)
 
4:49 PM
sighs
Checking the logins is sooo boring.
decides to take shortcut
 
5:13 PM
Hello.
 
Hiya.
 
Those logins still plaguing you?
Oh, no!!
I think the Queen is going to abdicate!
This is terrible.
 
Don't you want King Willem?
 
No.
He sucks.
 
Sucks what? You don't have to answer that.
 
5:16 PM
Could we trade crown princes?
@AndrewLeach Everything.
 
@Cerberus Depends. Charles doesn't suck everything. That was Fergie's beau.
 
Hmm.
Whatever he does, it can only be an improvement.
Aww I really, really don't want Bea to abdicate.
sad
She's the best monarch we have had since...possibly Willem I.
 
When was he?
 
1815–
We did have some good Stadhouders, but they weren't monarchs.
How would you feel if Lizzy abdicated?
 
That question doesn't arise!
But actually, if she were still around to make sure Charles didn't put his foot in it, then that might be a good arrangement.
Perhaps that's what Beatrix has in mind.
 
5:21 PM
Hmm.
Thanks for trying to soften the blow.
@AndrewLeach I know Lizzy won't abdicate, thankfully.
Bea will give an unannounced speech at 7. Actually, it was recorded earlier today. So it can mean only one thing.
 
How did things go when Wilhelmina abdicated? [Have I got that right?]
 
How she announced it? I don't know...
Probably like this.
Juliana abdicated too.
I wonder why some houses abdicate while others don't.
Not that I want to give Lizzy any ideas. Your Majesty, if you're reading this, please ignore me!
 
Hi @AndrewLeach
How are you?
Waiting
Bye @AndrewLeach
 
5:48 PM
@Sudhir Hi Sudhir. Just popping in and out while at work, and now I'm signing off for the evening...
 
If I have a set of images in divs and I want to justify them in a wrapping div, what do I do?
 
Hi@AndrewLeach
Hi@KitFox
 
Hi @Sudhir.
 
How are you?
 
I am well. And yourself?
 
6:02 PM
I am fine
You are in facebook
?
 
The Queen has officially announced her abdication. I am sad.
 
My condolences.
lunchtime bbl
 
Thanks.
Later!
Her speech was sort of moving.
Islamists in Timbuktu have set fire to an ancient library. Many documents have probably been destroyed. That makes me even sadder.
Crown Prince Willem Alexander has updated his profile picture.
 
6:21 PM
@KitFox: Are you angry with me?
bye
 
@Cerberus Shouldn't you write "King" instead of "Crown Prince"?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 She has not abdicated yet, merely announced her abdication.
 
@Cerberus details
 
You can't crown a monarch unannounced and in 15 minutes!
 
@Cerberus pfft, why not
 
6:27 PM
That's ridiculous.
 
otherwise there is a power vacuum! and it will suck up everything!
like my Dyson vacuum. It's a power vacuum for sure.
 
There is no vacuum: she still occupies the throne.
 
you're just saying that. wishful thinking.
 
Nope.
 
All I hear over hear is the great whooshing sound of the vacuum, as if a thousand jaspers missed a thousand jokes all at once.
 
6:29 PM
Although I watched this programme where the presenter was shown around Parliament, and he also sneakily sat on the throne!
The MP showing him around didn't like it.
 
@Cerberus haha
monarchs. what a ridiculous concept.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That your vacuum, because your Queen is far away.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's not!
 
@Cerberus it's okay, because we have a substitute, the GG
 
Not as good.
 
@Cerberus Sure it is. Maybe once it wasn't, when they had nothing better, but come on.
@Cerberus No, it's better, because it's cheaper, and we replace him/her every few years for good measure.
 
6:31 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Uhh we were a Republic for a longer time than we have been a Kingdom.
 
@Cerberus so you're saying that your system of government has devolved, then. makes notes
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's bad. You need the same guy/gal there for a long time, as a stabilising factor who knows everything and speaks to everyone.
 
Incidentally, there are announcements from several Canadian mobile carriers that they will start selling the N4 soon. And announcements that Google is expanding worldwide distribution of the phone to places like saudi arabia. But I still can't get one from the play store!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It was that damned Napoleon who shook everything up. The the house of Orange seized the opportunity.
They always tried to increase their power during the Republic. Which never worked. We even threw them out from time to time: we had two stadhouder-less periods in the 17th century.
 
@Cerberus No, the GG, like any monarch, does almost nothing anyway, so no stability is needed. When we crave stability, we just reelect the same losers we have, instead of electing new ones.
 
6:33 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha...don't get your hopes up.
 
@Cerberus actually I suspect that when I return from Aruba I will be able to place an order
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Almost nothing, but still something. What happens behind the scenes, in the corridors, informally, is a lot more than you think...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 When are you going?
 
@Sudhir No, just hungry.
 
@Cerberus perhaps. But there are lots of civil servants who stay around a long time. Even when there is a change of gov't we don't often replace EVERYONE with newbies.
@Cerberus next week
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Of course. Nobody is replaced ever here, when governments change. I hear they replace lots of people in America. In any case, civil servants have much less authority, less influence, less of an overview of things, and they have their own interests. The monarch is above all that and in a much better position.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah. So you will be here to witness Beatrix's last days.
 
6:38 PM
@Cerberus but with what authority? And what if the monarch is really bad, or really uninterested? Or really biased? At the end of the day the PM will just do what he wants
 
If he even gets the time to do so.
PMs come and go.
 
@Cerberus I wonder if they will do anything in Aruba. Maybe there'll be an island-wide coronation celebration.
 
Cabinets often fall.
 
@Cerberus Our PMs usually last a long time
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Probably. But you will have left by then.
 
6:39 PM
@Cerberus That's why you have to bolt them to the wall.
 
@Cerberus why, how long will it take? I have a plane to catch. Call Bea and tell her to get a move on.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If the monarch is really bad, that sucks. Our next King will probably not be very good.
As to authority, do you have any idea how informal networks in politics work/ Beatrix knows everyone around the world. The PM won't ever attend a Bilderberg conference.
But she will be there. Even after her abdication, possibly.
@aediaλ Drive nails through them, yesss...or screw them....
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 She will abdicate on April 30.
Her mother's birthday.
 
@Cerberus oh. when you said "so you will be here to witness" I thought you meant it'd happen before I leave.
 
I said her last days.
 
@Cerberus why wouldn't the PM attend? heck, our PROVINCIAL PMs have attended.
@Cerberus yeah you didn't say "last weeks" or "last months"
actually your PM has attended Bilderberg conferences.
The following is a list of prominent persons who have attended one or more conferences organized by the Bilderberg Group. The list is currently organized by category. It is not a complete list and it includes both living and deceased people. Where known, the year(s) they attended are denoted in brackets. Royalty Belgium * Prince R.Philippe, Prince of Belgium (2007–2009, 2012) Commonwealth realms * Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, Commonwealth realms (1986) * Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, Commonwealth realms (1965, 1967) Netherlands * Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands (1997, 2000, 2...
 
6:51 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, that's silly. Well, some other important, informal, secret event, then.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ugh. Bilderberg isn't what it used to be any more. Such inflation.
 
@Cerberus I don't understand why a monarch would be needed for some important, secret event. Most countries get by just fine without them.
 
Networking!
 
networks are not static anyway. if a country is worth dealing with, the network will find the parties in that country that need talking to.
 
Politics and power are about informal networks to a significant extent.
Think only of party politics.
 
Sure they are. But that doesn't mean that we need a hereditary office whose sole purpose is to schmooze.
 
6:55 PM
It can be beneficial.
 
beneficial to the extent that it justifies its existence? I doubt it.
if its role is so important, then there is the immense danger that the next king wipes out the gains made by the current queen. And if nothing he does could be so disastrous, then it must not have been important in the first place.
 
Suppose Germany had still been an Empire in 1933, and suppose the Emperor had addressed the nation to warn them that it was now or never, that Hitler ought to be stopped coûte que coûte. That might have been just enough to push him back and wake people up.
 
And any job worth doing is worth doing accountably. If the office is hereditary, then nobody is accountable.
 
No, the idea is that extreme democracy is bad, and that some sort of mixture is best.
 
@Cerberus And suppose Germany had been an Empire, and the Emperor had supported him? That might have been enough to garner him more support and suppress opposition.
@Cerberus what is "extreme democracy"?
 
6:58 PM
You name it.
 
No, I'm asking you to name it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still, someone removed from party politics will be more inclined to be a stabilising factor than an escalating factor.
 
@Cerberus I don't see why that would be the case.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, direct votes on everything, for example.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, it is.
That's how it works.
 

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