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12:01 AM
...turn your hearing aid up !
 
12:16 AM
@Lambie The question is: since "you" is second person, why is "dumb old you" third person?
 
The man wants to go. Dumb old you wants to go. Dumb old you is the subject just like the man. third person singular.
 
@Lambie But we say "You want to go," not "You wants to go." So why does adding the "Dumb old" mean we have to replace "want" with "wants"?
 
@Criggie grumbles something about kids these days
 
Normally a modifier doesn't change the person of the thing it modifies.
 
Because it ain't you want. It's: Old you [subject] wants to go. It's the old you that is third person. Gees.
 
12:21 AM
@vikas I'm hearing about heat advisories and closure in South India. Is it bad up north too?
@Lambie but but but
 
Young Jim wants to go. Old me wants to go. Etc. etc.
 
@Lambie Exactly. But why is it the case that "old you" is third person? Why does the adjective "old" change a second-person pronoun into a third-person one?
 
> You want to go, old you wants to go
Why does 'old' change things?
 
And why does it still have a second-person meaning--it still refers to the addressee--but a third-person form, in terms of subject-verb agreement?
I suspect it's because adding a modifying adjective makes the "you" behave more like an ordinary noun, thus making it third-person. But I dunno.
 
Why do you do that? You first ask a question to which you know the answer then do a bait and switch. Not nice. Because only object pronouns can be subjects of a sentence. The old me would never do that. The new them is too much.
 
12:27 AM
Me neither
 
@Lambie I'm not sure how I bait-and-switched you; certainly I wasn't trying to antagonize you, just to figure out what your explanation for this phenomenon was.
 
And the object pronouns require modification to be grammatical. Otherwise, you'd get: Me wants to go and You wants to go, both of which are not grammatical in standard English.
 
OK, now you've given me an answer to the question!
That's all I was asking for, and it should suffice as an answer to the question. Based on the OP's examples, I'm pretty sure that this was the source of their confusion.
 
@Mitch There are a ton of them: The new you is very pleasing to the eye. The old them is very boring. Etc, etc. Only object pronouns with a modifier.
 
You humans are so confusing. Us raccoons have it all figured out.
Did you know? Once a month, any truly dapper raccoon will break into a Sephora dumpster, smash open a bottle of expired argan oil, and roll around in it to keep his fur sleek.
 
1:14 AM
> زخاك من اگر گندم برآيد
از آن گر نان پزى مستى فزايد
 
@CowperKettle Gesundheit!
 
1:36 AM
@CowperKettle mmmm beer bread - extra good with beer-battered fish and chips.
 
2:27 AM
 
I want a chip buttee now.....
 
A chip butty or chip barm is a sandwich filled with chips. It originated in fish and chip shops in the British Isles in the 19th century, though the exact origin is disputed. The chip butty is associated with British working-class culture. == Sandwich == The chip butty is a sandwich filled with chips, often served with malt vinegar or ketchup. The British food writer Tim Hayward recommended using "undistinguished" soft white bread, as "this is not the place for artisanal sourdough". In The Guardian, Tony Naylor recommended using buttered soft white bread and lightly fried chips seasoned with salt...
 
sounds... greasy
 
> According to the National Federation of Fish Fryers, it was created at 19:45 on May 8, 1863 in Oldham, Lancashire, at Mr Lees, the second-ever fish and chip shop in Britain.
 
(note: willpower is enhanced through talking yourself out of a "que")
...and salty
 
2:40 AM
The snake salad.
Ingredients: mayonnaise, pepper
 
How is that a "salad."
 
I don't get 1. why [ä] hasn't got a dedicated letter, and 2. why American /ɑ/ doesn't sound like an ㅏ for me.
 
I'm so dead tired after riding the bicycle for only 27 km yesterday
Three more such rides, and it will be over 1000 km this year.
 
3:06 AM
@CowperKettle Is this the stop-start riding you mentioned the other week ?
I find that longer rides are less tiring if I can just get up to speed and stay there. Stop-starting is very taxing.
 
@CowperKettle take your time you're not competing with anyone
The last thing you need is an injury.
 
3:21 AM
@Criggie Yes, I'm a food delivery guy
I should deliver village-to-village, that would result in fewer stops
2 days ago
I put on studded tires, but still produced more than 1 cuss word per 100 meters.
 
3:51 AM
Oh yoinks - snow is not good for speed.
Says the rider who has never ridden in snow.
@CowperKettle another thing is to try Strava ? It will help you measure your progress over time.
 
4:07 AM
@CowperKettle That sounds like one of those foods that was invented to be served to prison inmates but became unexpectedly popular.
 
@Criggie I've been using it since 2018 :)
Time spent on physical activity, over the last 12 months
 
4:32 AM
Cos of course we do
 
4:47 AM
@Criggie I've joined it :)
 
5:16 AM
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Q: How does ignorance make a barren waste in "To the Nile" by John Keats?

Selfie- grofieThe sonnet "To the Nile" (1818) by John Keats reads as follows: Son of the old Moon-mountains African!     Chief of the Pyramid and Crocodile!     We call thee fruitful, and that very while A desert fills our seeing's inward span: Nurse of swart nations since the world began,     Art thou so fru...

Great poem
 
5:35 AM
Great answer.
 
6:33 AM
Schindler's Lift ^
4
 
 
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7:37 AM
@Mitch I don't know about South India but in my area it's definitely hot. It suddenly got hot.
 
8:25 AM
@Vikas My condolences! I would not want to be in such a temperature
 
8:58 AM
@CowperKettle I think humidity is still in control so far. Otherwise, it would be more uncomfortable.
 
9:24 AM
@Vikas Do you have an air conditioner unit now?
I recall that you did not have one
> While many theories of working memory had shown the presence of persistent activity, which the authors found, the persistent inactivity was something that the model predicted and had never been seen before. medicalxpress.com/news/…
A mathematical model predicted the existence of a new form of memory in the brain - and subsequent tests showed that it existed indeed.
 
Daily Octordle #835
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Score: 59
 
 
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10:36 AM
@CowperKettle Actually I have. It's just my parents don't have. I live in the room at top floor with sun facing roof. So my room gets more hot. The rooms at ground floor are better.
 
11:27 AM
@Vikas Are the bottom rooms at the first floor or the zeroth floor ;-)
 
 
1 hour later…
12:47 PM
@jlliagre I mean they are on ground level. Maybe it's called zeroth?
 
1:03 PM
@alphabet I agree with everything you say apart from 'The answer seems right'. All the answer says is that such NPs take third person agreement. But that's what the OP has noticed although they aren't confident. What does 'created a third person reference' mean apart from 'takes third person agreement'???
What is 'a third person reference' when it's at home? Maybe the answerer meant that the pronoun is not deictic. But it is deictic. If you know what the answerer meant, please do let me know!
'Cuz I'm struggling!
@alphabet Nice reference. I'll keep that for future usage.
 
@Vikas I just looked on Google Weather at a number of southern Indian cities: Chennai, Puducherry, Hyderabad and they all are about 33C but they have warnings for 'excessive heat' and say things like 'feels like 40C'
 
@Mitch Maybe more humidity.
 
But Ellenabad 'feels like' more.
 
43
 
@Vikas I thought the 'feels like' number was supposed to reflect humidity.
 
1:13 PM
Also we don't know how accurate it is.
 
Anyway, it seems like whatever heat wave the south was experiencing is also affecting the north and maybe even worse.
The 'feels like' # comes from a calculation, so presumably a 'robust' number. As to how we interpret the label 'feels like', yes, that may depend on the person.
 
@Mitch Maybe.
@Mitch 43 for me could feel like 50 to you?
 
@Vikas 50 is kind of a lot for anybody. But yeah 43 is probably unbearable to me now.
When I was a kid though, I remember more than one summer (in Virginia, further south than from the Boston area) it was ~42 (and was a headline in the newspaper for breaking records).
And my memory of that then was that it was 'not that hot. why is everyone complaining?'
But 1) I was a kid and kid's are dumb.
2) I was running around barefoot and without a shirt most of the summer when outside.
3) I spent most of my summer at the community swimming pool
4) I had a nice air conditioned house to go back into
I also didn't have to work outside, like in construction. Even when the temperature is temperate, that seems unbearably hot in the sun.
@vikas Have you read the book (or seen the movie) 'White Tiger'?
 
1:30 PM
@Araucaria-Him Yeah, fair enough, the explanation it gives doesn't really make any sense.
 
@Mitch I haven't.
 
I do question the pedagogical value of declaring certain parts of the language off-limits to non-native speakers, as that answer does. Why are ELL answerers trying to gatekeep arbitrary grammatical constructions?
 
@Mitch Maybe you got used to it.
 
File this under "Just because you're a native speaker does not mean you know how to teach English." Along with a number of other ELL answers.
 
1:45 PM
@alphabet Same for ELU
@Vikas IT's a story (in India) about a guy from a small poor town gets a job in the big city and how things fall apart for him.
It makes a lot of very very cynical generalizations about Indian society: corruption, vice, social divides.
 
2:04 PM
@Vikas Okay, so that means the ground floor isn't the first floor for you. That's the European way too.
#WhenTaken #71 (08.05.2024)

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4️⃣ 📍 7194 km - 🗓️ 20 yrs - ⚡ 66 / 200
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Good start then not so good.
 
2:35 PM
@Lambie It's because personal pronouns are NOT subject to modification. An NP must be a personal pronoun or a longer noun phrase. They are not like a noun that takes determiners, demonstratives, adjectives, noun attributes, or prepositional phrases. They enjoy their special syntactic status only so long as they remain unstained by the trappings of normal nouns. The moment you corrupt them with tawdry embellishments like that tired old Boston you of humbler means, their magic dissipates.
They lose the right to command their verbs into concurrence by person and number. They become common nouns.
It's like when a person goes and verbs a juicy noun into a verb. It wasn't juicy-verbed.
So once you've gone and changed the syntactic class of some word, it needs must discard the awesome privileges of its former station. Think of this as a form of zero derivation.
> abracadabra
ickylickysticky
muckamuck
overcover
overrecover
Shahanshah
shipmanship
sterraster
taratantara
trinitrin
undergrounder
uricosuric
wishtonwish
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Q: Words That Have the Form A-B-A

BurgerManI do not know the term for words like this, but an example is ABRA-CAD-ABRA. Are there words like this in the English language? Also, what is the term for this kind of word (if any)?

... for length(A) > 3
 
2:59 PM
@tchrist I choose to say it differently: I said that object pronouns (me, him, us, them, you) used as a subject must have a modifier** to be grammatical because **Me wants x." is not grammatical. You want to belabour it, problema seu.
 
I refuse to include such agglomerative monsters as bumper-to-bumper.
@Lambie That's reasonable.
My hises aren't like his myes.
 
So yours is all mine despite the fact that all mine are not yours.
Mine deeper.
Or more deeply, if you prefer.
Words with the form A-B-A are called sonata allegro form.
Sonata form (also sonata-allegro form or first movement form) is a musical structure generally consisting of three main sections: an exposition, a development, and a recapitulation. It has been used widely since the middle of the 18th century (the early Classical period). While it is typically used in the first movement of multi-movement pieces, it is sometimes used in subsequent movements as well—particularly the final movement. The teaching of sonata form in music theory rests on a standard definition and a series of hypotheses about the underlying reasons for the durability and variety of the...
 
3:24 PM
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