Mosheh ben Maimon, called Moses Maimonides and also known as Mūsā ibn Maymūn, or RaMBaM, was a preeminent medieval Spanish, Sephardic "Jewish" philosopher.
abbreviated as Rabbi Moshhe b maimon=Rambam
@Daniel Hi
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Hi
May I know what happened to the grand sons of Rambam?
RaMbaM's son Rabbeinu Avrohom hahHaseed became nagid of the Egyptian jewish community after his father died. He was 18/19 and ppl didn't like him because he was young n because he wasn't from Egypt he was from Spain. His son Rabbeinu Doweedh I think his name was and he was not liked even more. They took him out of nagid office but he got his position back. Them his son I forgot his name, when he got into nagid office they kicked him out n I think he moved to Syria or morocco.
@Ali Rambam was undoubtedly influenced by Islam (whatever @MoriDoweedhYaAgob would have you believe)
But there is no credible evidence that he ever was a Muslim himself
@Ali I don't know what you mean by "that" prophet
Also, it is not that prophecy has ended
It could be that when the Messiah comes, prophecy will return
but for now, we do not have prophecy
@Ali Ah, going back and looking at this comment in context, I better understand what you are asking
But I don't understand why you think that the Talmud shouldn't be able to tell us things that aren't in the Torah?
Especially since the scope of the book of prophets is the prophetic era
and doesn't continue
The Torah gives no indication that prophecy will continue, so it's not like the Talmud is contradicting the Torah. It is telling us a fact that the Torah doesn't address in either direction.
It is pretty much natural in the history of Allah's religion to send prophets for guidqance of mankind , so until a prophet himself declares an end of the prophecy , the prophecy cant end , as its so obvious from the torah that prophecy will continue.
More over if the torah is silent that does not mean a later source can put an end to it, silence is not approval
Again R. Eliezer then said to the Sages, "If the Halakhah agrees with me, let it be proved from heaven." Sure enough, a divine voice cried out, "Why do you dispute with R. Eliezer, with whom the Halakhah always agrees?" R. Joshua stood up and protested: "The Torah is not in heaven!" (Deut. 30:12). We pay no attention to a divine voice because long ago at Mount Sinai You wrote in your Torah at Mount Sinai, `After the majority must one incline'. (Ex. 23:2)"
The point is that the past history of prophets and the core of the purpose of prophecy all point out pretty much obviously that the prophecy has not ended , it would only end if a Prophet would explicity declare its end. Like Prophet Muhammad pbuh
@Ali According to Islam it is corruption. According to Judaism/Christianity, it is continued revelation
So you can say that the rabbis made stuff up, but the fact of the matter is that they are far more knowledgeable about Torah than you or I, so I trust them
@Daniel Being more knowledgable does not mean that they are guided , even the christian monks spend their entire lives in monasteries etc , yet they may die in the belief in trinity and loose their salavation inshallah
See at the time of Abraham pbuh there were many people who disbelieved in him and rather believed the pagan priests whom they considered to be more knowledgeble , so they became blinded and did not even reason and tested the arguments of Abraham pbuh.
@Daniel even in that case who will decide what statements or propositions define the structure?, A complete 100% consensus is binding for an axiom to be called as axiom.
And there were many Jewish rabbis themselves who recognized Muhammad pbuh as a prophet
@Ali And you are right about that, but we hold that the teachings of the rabbis do come from God through an oral tradition that was given over to Moses at Mount Sinai
@Ali If they did, they were already not knowledgeable. But I do not know of any such rabbis who we hold as authoritative, nor do I believe that there are any
Also there is an example of tabatai tzevi, he was a very reputed rabbi , who even claimed to be a messiah , but later reverted to Islam with hundreds of his followers
like now a chabad rabbi claimed to be a messiah and yet a Jew
How can you scrutinize the rabbis who did not accept Muhammad pbuh as the final prophet ? Its very clear that once the 'people of knowledge ' ae grounded in knowledge it is very hard for them to accept the facts which contradict their knowldefe
@Ali It's very simple. Some people accept Mohammad as the final prophet. Those people are Muslims. Some people do not accept him as the final prophet. Those people are Jews
@Daniel in what way are you saying RaMbaM was influenced by islam? Which Islamic philosophy did he go by? As a matter of fact Muslims read Morah navuchim because it was a book of great intellect n it was all truth. Also Ibn cenna was a Muslim by religion but not so by philosophy. Him Ibn Azra RaMbaM and another Arab Christian philosophers all learned from each other under the branch of Aristotle.
RaMbaM was indeed influenced by islam by making books and writing letters do combat Islamic propaganda and theology on Jews. And his main targets was a jew apostate to islam from Yaman. He was aiding muslims in con strewing jewish texts and messages to fit Islamic ones in order to prove islam is real
and then came the fake messiah in Yaman at the same time which caused the jewish c
cmunity to go into panic. Some were being forced into islam and were being told by uneducated rabbis that they are no longer jewish and all their misSwoth were a waste n all their prayers were a waste
That is how RaMbaM was influenced by islam. He was combatting it so that Jews would have less troubles in their lives especially in Yaman
Yes that influence is called reading Islamic sources and writing against them although he couldn't do it so vividly because he would be killed especially as he was the main Doctor physician of Egypt and worked in the sultans house
However, he added nothing new to jewish thought or religion
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Ok here's the problem. You reject secular papers. You will reject Ashkenazi opinions because you think they are corrupted. The only opinions you will accept are the ones that already agree with you
This question is inspired by an ongoing conversation in chat, a representative bit of it beginning here.
Was Rambam's philosophy affected in any way by Islamic culture or religion? If so, could that influence have influenced his interpretation of halacha?
mad for now he n the rest of the religious scholars in those areas were influenced by Aristotle. Rbam rejected Aristotle idea about HaShem and called him n apikorus but islam accepted it