English Language Learners

Ice Boy

6:24 AM

Trick or treat :D

Jerson Zuleta

No candy for you.

Damkerng T.

[candies] [candies] [candies]

CopperKettle

7:12 AM

I'm uncertain of my answer regarding a/the majority: Google returns meagre results for phrases of the kind "the\a majority of the voters" (with both "a" and "the")
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/38244/what-is-the-difference-in-meaning-between-a-majority-of-and-the-majority-of

Damkerng T.

FWIW, I think you got it right in your answer.

I think its definiteness works exactly the way a typical a or the works. But it would need a plural verb the way a lot or a number of needs.

CopperKettle

Thanks, Damkerng! So "A majority of the students is expected to vote" would look unnatural?

Ice Boy

7:33 AM

Yes.

Students are

CopperKettle

very strange

I've found mentions of it. A quote: "Here’s a trick from my grammar book Woe Is I: The word “the” before a collective noun (“the majority”) is usually a tip-off that it’s singular, while “a” before the noun (“a majority”), especially when “of” comes next, usually indicates a plural."

So in partitive of-structures the collective noun "majority" flips to its plural sense, it seems

Would this sentence look unnatural: "She has already bought the majority of the Russian history books she needs. "

Damkerng T.

7:56 AM

I think I tend to think of "majority of X" as plural. But I think it's not wrong to use a singular verb when we think of the phrase as a collective noun.

> Majority” is one of those words that can be either singular or plural. Common sense works pretty well in deciding which. If you mean the word to describe a collection of individuals, then the word should be treated as plural: “The majority of e-mail users are upset about the increase in spam.” If the word is used to describe a collective group, then consider it singular: “A 90% majority is opposed to scheduling the next meeting at 6:00 A.M.” If you are uncertain which you mean, then choose whatever form sounds best to you; it's not likely to bother many people.

This Google Ngram chart might also be useful: goo.gl/Y8F50i. Also a similar chart (but this one is the majority of): goo.gl/vtgOyH.

CopperKettle

I'm wondering why "The majority of the voters" only garners some 370 hits at Google.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle I got about 660 hits, only from Google Books.

Weird.

CopperKettle

Strange, I've got 118 from Google Books. But still, the use of the phrase in books means its a normal phrase, I presume. So we can use THE as well as A there.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle I got only one or two pages first, then I got a lot of pages after a refresh. That's even weirder, I guess.

nods -- I think it depends on context.

> Page 64 of about 288,000 results (0.50 seconds)

But I couldn't go beyond page 65 this time.

CopperKettle

In Google, the first page says boldly of 1 000 000 + results for "The majority of the voters", but then it stops dead at page 5 with 372 results. (-:

Well, I'll probably put a bounty on the question in a couple of days and scrap my answer if it turns out to be wrong. (0:

Awal Garg

8:18 AM

Damkerng T.

fahdijbeli

11:13 AM

morning

Damkerng T.

11:28 AM

@fahdijbeli Oh, hi!

Freddy

11:41 AM

@fahdijbeli good evening

fahdijbeli

thank you :)

Anonymous

1:24 PM

@CopperKettle Generally speaking, you have no way to tell how many Google results a query returns

Anonymous

Google doesn't tell you

Anonymous

It provides results estimates only, and these estimates may be wildly off the mark

Anonymous

What they do allow you access to is a set of 0-1000 results

Anonymous

The most you can possibly get is 1000. However, after they've grabbed 1000 results, they do culling

Anonymous

So even for a very common query it's very likely you'll see less than 1000 total results if you go to the final page.

Anonymous

1:26 PM

You can't use Google searches as a corpus for testing frequency because they simply don't allow you access to frequency information

Anonymous

That's one reason balanced corpora with directly accessible results and exact result counts are useful

Anonymous

Although Google's basic web corpus is much, much larger than COCA, it's much less useful for frequency analysis

Anonymous

The Google Books corpus is more useful than their basic web search, but it still has certain unfortunate limitations

Anonymous

(Of course, no large corpus is perfect.)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. That seems exactly right to me

Anonymous

1:32 PM

@CopperKettle I've never heard of "Woe is I", but with a title like that, you have to assume the book isn't going to be particularly accurate

Anonymous

When you choose a hypercorrection for the title of your book, you're signaling that most likely the book contains one of two possible sets of contents, either advocating or criticizing that sort of error

Anonymous

And it seems that in this case the author is advocating―am I mistaken?

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Yay!

How was the Halloween night?!

Anonymous

It rained!

Damkerng T.

Oh! That's a little disappointing!

Anonymous

1:34 PM

Not very many trick-or-treaters came by.

Damkerng T.

Is raining common during this time of year?

Anonymous

> This is an essential handbook for any grammar Nazi. Prepare to have many persistent doubts dispelled and nagging questions settled - not only about grammar and spelling, but also pronunciation (including that of the word "pronunciation"). This book will help you feel even more annoyingly superior to the uneducated unfortunates around you.

Anonymous

From an Amazon review of Woe is I

Damkerng T.

Wow!

Anonymous

I wonder what it says specifically about woe is me

Damkerng T.

1:38 PM

Oh, this is her website: grammarphobia.com. I remember I landed on her site sometimes. It's quite good.

Anonymous

Is it better than the review makes it sound, then?

Anonymous

This page seems good: grammarphobia.com/grammar-html

Damkerng T.

Perhaps. From a few pages I have read there, I think she is quite a sincere person.

Rather down to earth, if you ask me.

Anonymous

This page seems good too: grammarphobia.com/qa#a1

Damkerng T.

> Why do people pronounce “ask” like “axe”?

I heard that sometimes!

Anonymous

1:44 PM

It's not known for certain which was the original pronunciation

Anonymous

That's an example of metathesis

Anonymous

I don't agree with everything in this page in the details, but overall it seems pretty decent

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

> But despite the language mavens, the use of “fun” as an adjective is so common nowadays that someday it will undoubtedly become accepted.

Anonymous

It's not accepted yet?? :-)

Anonymous

1:47 PM

In my natively acquired English fun is a completely regular adjective

Anonymous

I think for some older speakers it isn't, though

Damkerng T.

I agree. It's a little risky in writing, perhaps.

Anonymous

Well, maybe in very formal writing.

Anonymous

Fun is a bit of an informal word.

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

1:49 PM

But I think that's true whether you're using it as an adjective or not

Damkerng T.

I can't think of the word fun in an academic paper!

Anonymous

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. No matter how you use it, fun doesn't seem particularly formal

Anonymous

I guess I can see why people would find funner and funnest to be more markedly informal

Anonymous

That is, fun may be informal, but funner is informal-er :-)

Damkerng T.

And funnest is informal-est? :-)

Anonymous

1:52 PM

Does that seem like a reasonable description?

Anonymous

Ha

Damkerng T.

I think it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous

This is a cute snail :-)

Damkerng T.

That's quite a big one!

Anonymous

1:56 PM

Uh-huh! We can't have big snails like that in the US

Anonymous

It's from the pet snails forum

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Anonymous

It's an Achatina reticulata

Damkerng T.

Eh? I think I can see four eyes in that photo.

Anonymous

Snails have two pairs of feelers (tentacles). The upper feelers have eyes at the tips in most species, so they're called eyestalks

Anonymous

1:58 PM

The lower feelers are shorter and don't have eyes

Anonymous

Damkerng T.

I don't know if they have a nose.

Anonymous

Can you see the lower feelers?

Anonymous

Snails do not have noses.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Yes, I can!

Anonymous

2:00 PM

Land snails have only undergone partial cephalization

Damkerng T.

The lower feelers look really like eyes.

Anonymous

Cephalization (from cephalo- 'head') is the evolutionary trend of concentrating nervous system cells (including sensory cells) at one end of the body, forming a 'head'

Damkerng T.

Online dictionaries are very handy!

Anonymous

Humans of course are completely cephalized, having complete brains and sensory organs mostly concentrated in the head region

Anonymous

Snails, on the other hand, only sort of have what you could call a 'head' or a 'brain'

Anonymous

2:01 PM

Technically, they have a pair of cerebral ganglia, which you wouldn't call a brain

Anonymous

They have other ganglia (such as the pedal ganglia (pedal = of feet)) as well in other parts of the body

Anonymous

And most of their sensory cells are spread out

Anonymous

They can taste or smell using cells all across the surface of their body

Damkerng T.

Oh, it's kinda like they have a distributed brain!

Anonymous

But they have a concentration of cells around the mouth and they have primitive eyes

Anonymous

2:03 PM

Yes, parts that sort of think separately

Anonymous

The cerebral ganglia may be the core of what may one day involve into a brain, mainly having to do with processing sensory input right now

Anonymous

They have four other pair of ganglia and one unpaired ganglion

Amit Joki

have a question! Should my English be uniform (the point in question is BE, AE)?

Damkerng T.

It should be. :-)

Anonymous

It's less distracting that way.

Anonymous

2:05 PM

If your goal is not to distract the reader, then yes

Amit Joki

@snailboat who would want that seriously! :)

I'm using the word levelers and am confused whether to use double l or single one

Damkerng T.

I think one easy way to solve your problem is to pick one dictionary as your favorite and stick to it.

Anonymous

corpus.byu.edu/glowbe/?c=glowbe&q=34260998

Amit Joki

@snailboat er, I meant who would want to distract the readers

Anonymous

I understood!

Damkerng T.

2:10 PM

Which column is South Africa?

Amit Joki

@snailboat that link, what does it say, apart from what I could guess is Leveller is more common

Damkerng T.

ZA?

Ah, yes. I think it's ZA.

Anonymous

It says that in American English, we typically write leveler, while in British English, they typically write leveller

Anonymous

However, it's not an especially common word, and particularly in the US people might be less certain how to spell it

Damkerng T.

Oh, of the big 5, American English is the only one that prefers leveler.

Amit Joki

2:13 PM

@DamkerngT. don't know but they use what others don't, for example, they doen't use SI units, don't know why, though

Anonymous

That's because we had our very own Noah Webster

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Anonymous

Noah Webster pushed a lot of spelling reforms, a few of which caught on in the US, but most of which didn't catch on elsewhere

Anonymous

One of those was to not double the L when adding -er or -ing, so he wrote traveler rather than traveller

Amit Joki

@snailboat ah great!

Damkerng T.

2:15 PM

That makes sense.

Anonymous

He wanted to make things simpler.

Anonymous

Even in the US, though, most of his reforms didn't catch on.

Anonymous

He wanted to get rid of every silent letter and come up with a uniform spelling for each sound.

Damkerng T.

And we could have less headaches!

Amit Joki

then, in his mind, Sunami was more appropriate, I guess

Anonymous

2:17 PM

He thought that if our pronunciation was completely predictable from spelling, that English would be easier for second language learners, and that it would somehow prevent the language from changing and unify pronunciation across the country

Anonymous

No, tsunami had not yet been borrowed into English

Anonymous

That happened fifty years after he passed away

Anonymous

But he certainly would have been against the 't' :-)

Amit Joki

borrowed?I knew it would be that, for it sounded odd. BTW from where did that word come from? Japan is my guess

Anonymous

Some English speakers do pronounce the 't', by the way, but most don't

Anonymous

2:19 PM

Yes, Japanese

Anonymous

English phonotactics (the rules for how sounds fit together) don't allow /ts/ at the beginning of a syllable

Damkerng T.

I have a hunch that he would have suggested respelling my country name, too. :-)

Anonymous

So we naturally simplify it to /s/

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. You know, even though we know Thailand isn't pronounced with an English th sound

Anonymous

I don't think most people understand that the h indicates aspiration

Anonymous

2:20 PM

That is, most people in the US

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

So when we're confronted with place names in writing we don't know the pronunciation of, such as Phuket

Anonymous

I think we tend to misinterpret them

Anonymous

That is, we think "Oh, ph, I know how to pronounce that, it's like f!" :-)

Damkerng T.

I don't know if it's fortunate or unfortunate!

Anonymous

2:21 PM

It's certainly not phortunate

Damkerng T.

But I know that it's become a well-known place for tourists.

Anonymous

Phuket is well known to tourists from other countries too, isn't it?

Anonymous

I don't know what the demographics of Thai tourism are like

Amit Joki

Well, I know some things about Thai

Damkerng T.

@AmitJoki Yay!

@snailboat I'm not sure about that either.

Amit Joki

2:24 PM

that its Elephants are white in contrast to grey everywhere, and its first women president was Yingluck Shinawatra!

Damkerng T.

@AmitJoki nods -- True!

Though not all elephants here are white.

Anonymous

@AmitJoki I did not know about white elephants!

Anonymous

White elephant

A white elephant is a possession which its owner cannot dispose of and whose cost, particularly that of maintenance, is out of proportion to its usefulness. The term derives from the story that the kings of Siam, now Thailand, were accustomed to make a present of one of these animals to courtiers who had rendered themselves obnoxious in order to ruin the recipient by the cost of its maintenance. In modern usage, it is an object, scheme, business venture, facility, etc., considered without use or value. == Background == The term derives from the sacred white elephants kept by Southeast As...

Amit Joki

@snailboat man you've got to be kidding!

Anonymous

I didn't know about this, either!

Anonymous

2:25 PM

@AmitJoki Nope.

Anonymous

You'd be surprised how much stuff I don't know. :-)

Damkerng T.

In the old days, nobody but the King could own white elephants.

Anonymous

Ah, they're albinos!

Damkerng T.

Yes!

In Thai, the phrase white elephant could also mean English's diamond in the rough or one in a million.

Amit Joki

so, is it really that melanin pigment is absent in them?

Damkerng T.

2:28 PM

nods -- I think so.

Amit Joki

Anyways, Pandas and Elephants are both adorable and cute!!!

Damkerng T.

LOL

Anonymous

I love pandas! :-)

Damkerng T.

Believe it or not, my cable TV had a channel dedicated to a panda!

Anonymous

Misuse of the English language: techtimes.com/articles/19175/20141101/…

Amit Joki

2:30 PM

god must be a great photoshopper for having created them @snailboat

Anonymous

Wow!

Damkerng T.

24x7, one panda!

Amit Joki

@DamkerngT. I'm jealous!!!

Damkerng T.

Kinda like Big Brother the reality show, but we have just one panda!

Amit Joki

do they have any ideas of broadcasting it in India?

Anonymous

2:32 PM

When was this?

Damkerng T.

About a few years back.

Lin Bing

Lin Bing, (Thai: หลินปิง, Chinese: 林冰) (also called Lin Ping) is a female giant panda in Thailand. Born on 27 May 2009 at Chiang Mai Zoo in Chiang Mai, Thailand by Gamete intrafallopian transfer (GIFT) to Lin Hui and Chuang Chuang, it is the first giant panda born in Thailand. Its name, meaning the "Forest of Ice," was chosen after a nationwide name selection contest that attracted 22 million votes. "Bing" also sounds similar to the name of the Ping River, which flows through Northern Thailand, where the zoo is located. Like her parents, Lin Bing is considered the property of China. Therefore,...

That's the panda.

Anonymous

Has that Wikipedia page not been updated since 2011?

Damkerng T.

Oh, only the English one, perhaps.

Hmm... She should've been back to Thailand now.

They sent her to China last year to pair her with a male.

Amit Joki

@DamkerngT. are they yet to become 3? Their population is countable! :(

Damkerng T.

The plan was she would stay in China one year, hopefully picked a male she would like, and then come back to Thailand and stay with us for 15 years.

Amit Joki

2:38 PM

aww!

Damkerng T.

Before she went to China, we broadcasted her 24x7 on our cable TV! :-)

Ah, she's still in China!

@snailboat Do they misuse the language?

> The U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has revealed that its latest Orion spacecraft is complete. Orion is expected to assist human travel into deep space such as Mars.

Anonymous

3:07 PM

Hehehe

Anonymous

Yes, Mars is in another star system, across deep space! ;-)

Anonymous

I don't think they know what interstellar means

Anonymous

A friend sent me the link and grumbled about it :-)

Anonymous

And I figured since grumbling about language is a fun group activity, I'd link it here!

Damkerng T.

Perhaps anything beyond our Moon is deep for them. :-)

Anonymous

3:11 PM

Though it could just be a factual error rather than a language error if they actually think Mars is in another star system. But, y'know, I'm assuming not. :-)

Damkerng T.

:-)

Anonymous

It seems mean to assume someone thinks Mars is in another system.

Anonymous

But assuming someone misused the word interstellar? Much more believable

Anonymous

People misuse words all the time. I do, too!

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

3:13 PM

Though I try not to.

Damkerng T.

At least they didn't say intergalactic.

Anonymous

Hee

Anonymous

> The Dec. 4 test flight of the Orion will send the spacecraft 3,600 miles away from the Earth. The test flight will last for about 4.5 hours and will be called Exploration Flight Test-1. The spacecraft will travel in the space beyond any manned spacecraft has ever gone. Orion will return to the Earth at an immense speed of about 20,000 miles per hour and it will generate temperatures of up to 2204 degrees Celsius, or 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

Damkerng T.

I didn't read the details, but I presume that it's an unmanned spacecraft.

Anonymous

According to this, 3600 miles away from the earth is apparently "in the space beyond any manned spacecraft has ever gone"

Anonymous

3:17 PM

But the moon is two orders of magnitude further away from the earth than that

Anonymous

Maybe they've mixed up their numbers here a bit

Anonymous

Let's see what NASA says

Anonymous

blogs.nasa.gov/orion/2014/10/30/nasas-orion-spacecraft-complete

Damkerng T.

Oh, 3,600 miles away from our Earth is probably the starting point!

Anonymous

NASA says:

Anonymous

3:19 PM

> During the 4.5-hour flight, called Exploration Flight Test-1, Orion will travel farther than any crewed spacecraft has gone in more than 40 years

Damkerng T.

Hmm... It seems like they mixed up a few facts together. -- nods

Looks like it's another Ctrl-C Ctrl-V article!

Anonymous

So it looks like the Orion will go into orbit around the earth for its test flights

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. The weird thing is, if they just copied and pasted NASA's blog, the article would have been better :-)

Anonymous

Adding their own touches didn't really improve it

Damkerng T.

3:21 PM

Exactly! I think they Ctrl-C Ctrl-V several times. :-)

Anonymous

Hehe!

Damkerng T.

And the news mutated a bit in the process!

Anonymous

It's like playing telephone!

Damkerng T.

Ah, yes!

I haven't had a chance to play it, though I've seen others demonstrate it.

Oh, actually, I had conducted such a play once! When I was teaching kids up on the hills.

(I mean the hills up north in Thailand.)

Jerson Zuleta

4:11 PM

Hello!!

Freddy

Is site on "read only" mode?

@JersonZuleta Hi

Jerson Zuleta

Well, looks like not so many people are on here today.

Freddy

Yes

due to weekend

Jerson Zuleta

Oh yeah. Haven't had a complete one in a few months.

Damkerng T.

@JersonZuleta Hello!

Jerson Zuleta

4:22 PM

@DamkerngT. Hey!!

Happy belated Halloween.

Damkerng T.

LOL

I guess Halloween is the reason why we don't see a lot of people in chat rooms today.

Jerson Zuleta

I'd argue that by asking what kind of candy are they all getting.

It'd better be great candy.

Damkerng T.

:-)

Jerson Zuleta

I remember once when I was younger and went out to ask for candy & somebody gave me one of those rum-flavoured sweets.

I didn't want to keep eating the rest of my candy.

Damkerng T.

Because of the flavor of the rum?

Jerson Zuleta

4:28 PM

Yeah.

I've never been a big fan of alcohol.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I don't think that they really have alcohol, though.

Jerson Zuleta

They taste like it, though. Enough for me to say no to them.

Damkerng T.

Which flavor do you like most?

Jerson Zuleta

Passion fruit.

Damkerng T.

Oh, that a little unexpected!

(I expected it would be chocolate or strawberry.)

Jerson Zuleta

4:31 PM

Chocolate is fine but I don't know, passion fruit is just delicious tbh.

Damkerng T.

Hehe! It's nice indeed.

Jerson Zuleta

Don't know if there are kiwi-flavoured sweets, though. I'd have to test that.

Damkerng T.

Coconut is also nice!

Jerson Zuleta

I prefer it as a fruit.

Like soursop.

I can eat the fruit but I can't drink the juice.

Damkerng T.

When coconut comes as a flavor, it will be sweet. I'm sure you will like it.

Jerson Zuleta

4:34 PM

I'll give it a try!

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Jerson Zuleta

2

Q: Shut and close your mouth

Can 'close your mouth' mean 'shut your mouth'? I know that 'shut your mouth' is a rude way to say stop speaking. But I need to know whether 'close your mouth' can indirectly mean 'stop speaking' or not?

This reminds me of quit vs stop.

"Quit talking", "Stop talking". "Quit doing that", "Stop doing that".

Damkerng T.

How about, "please secure your oral cavity"?

I guess most native speakers would get the intended meaning, or just say "Huh?". :-)

Jerson Zuleta

Sounds like something you'd be told in a roller coaster.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

I think "Keep one's mouth close" means about the same as "Keep one's mouth shut".

Anonymous

4:49 PM

@DamkerngT. That sounds like I should be adding a lock to it.

Anonymous

I didn't know there was rum-flavored candy.

Jerson Zuleta

There is indeed.

If the context is clear, I don't think there's room for misinterpretations

Damkerng T.

@snailboat imagining the lock... perhaps a mask!

user116848

5:39 PM

hi

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. It's kind of like the slang "zip it!"

Ice Boy

Happy All Saints' Day

user116848

@IceBoy Happy All Saints' Day!

Ice Boy

@Arrowfar and All Souls' Day if I don't see you tomorrow :D

user116848

@IceBoy Okay :D

Jerson Zuleta

9:23 PM

Why do edits must be at least six characters?

If a person misspells a word, generally it's only interchanging two letters.

Or well, spelling it as something else. E.g definitely as defiantly.

Anonymous

It's an arbitrary decision.

Anonymous

They'd like you to find something else to fix up in the post at the same time.

Jerson Zuleta

0

Q: Very beautiful vs. Totally/absolutely beautiful

Can I say "very beautiful" or is it incorrect?? My English teacher(actually she's not a native English speaker) says it's a mistake. Though I saw exsamples of such use on the Internet

adjectives

Take this one as an example. The only things I'd edit are taking away one question mark, adding a space between teacher and '(', and finally correcting the spelling of examples.

That still does not add up to six characters, though.

user116848

9:49 PM

@snailboat Hi snail!

user116848

How was your Halloween?

user116848

@DamkerngT. Hi Damk!

Anonymous

10:16 PM

Hello!

user116848

hey

user116848

11:15 PM

I am trying to write this sentence but not sure whether I am writing it correctly:

user116848

> If A will ignore B then B will ignore A

user116848

'If +will' is correct here I think.

user116848

I found this

user116848

bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/…

user116848

Because I don't want to say it like:

user116848

11:17 PM

> If A ignores B then B ignores A

user116848

Because the former version looks more dramatic. Latter looks like a sentence from a Maths book.

user116848

I want to say it for a human being though.

user116848

Or maybe this:

user116848

> If A ignores B then B will ignore A

user116848

My question is, is the first sentence correct?

Jerson Zuleta

11:37 PM

I'm not entirely sure, but would "If A is going to ignore B then B will ignore A" work?

user116848

Oh, '...is going to' will work too I think. Thanks for jogging my mind!

user116848

thanks.

Jerson Zuleta

No problem!

Glad I could help.

Anonymous

@Arrowfar That doesn't quite work

Anonymous

It's perfectly grammatical with will

Anonymous

11:45 PM

But

Jerson Zuleta

I found the structure you're looking for, then again it's not from a reliable source.

Anonymous

The meaning isn't the same

Anonymous

The difference isn't in how dramatic it is

user116848

@snailboat So, is first sentence correct to say?

user116848

I know third is correct.

Jerson Zuleta

11:48 PM

" if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole."

user116848

Third is the regular grammar book sentence

user116848

@JersonZuleta Exactly

user116848

Falling in the hole is the result of following the blind

user116848

:-)

Jerson Zuleta

Yup, that's what I found. But as I said, it isn't from a reliable source though it seems to be written by a native speaker.

user116848

11:49 PM

I see.

Jerson Zuleta

"If you will ignore your worldly duties you will become a slave of this world."

Then again, I feel like "if you will" in this example uses will as a verb rather than an auxiliary.

user116848

yeah

Jerson Zuleta

Hold on!

Found your sentence!

"if you will ignore me, I will ignore you because when you ignore me, it means you don't want to talk to me so if you won't put the effort, why should I?"

user116848

Ah, I see...Thanks. So, did you make a sentence in mind then goggled it? I mean how did you find it.

Jerson Zuleta

I simply googled "if you will ignore".

When you add quotation marks to your sentence, Google will try to find that sentence just the way you typed it.

user116848

11:55 PM

nods

Anonymous

@Arrowfar All three sentences are perfectly grammatical

Anonymous

They just don't have the same meaning

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I got another power outage!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. D'oh!

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