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11:15 AM
damn it...
i give up
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. They decided to delete their question even though it was upvoted, apparently because someone linked to a Google search
 
Anonymous
If there was activity after that I didn't see it myself
 
Anonymous
Now they've changed their profile to say "please delete me"
 
11:27 AM
Hmm... Is it a fashion? It sounds so familiar.
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Is what a matter of fashion?
 
Anonymous
The "please delete me" thing is part of how you get your account deleted, if that's what you want
 
@snailboat That "please delete me" message.
 
Anonymous
You also need to contact Stack Exchange directly: english.stackexchange.com/contact
 
Anonymous
(Otherwise it's likely no one will notice the profile message!)
 
11:30 AM
nods
Oh, there is an option saying, "I would like to advertise on Stack Exchange", too.
 
Anonymous
11:42 AM
Hehe
 
Anonymous
When I see the little Earth Science icon
 
Anonymous
It says "es"
 
Anonymous
I always think it means Spanish!
 
@snailboat Es can be used to mean Spanish indeed!
 
11:59 AM
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Q: What does "most recent call last" mean?

BrolyI have been programming in Python for a few months already, but understanding errors is still not evident, maybe because I have never taken care of it too much. I would like to know exactly what most recent call last means. I understand what most recent call means, but the last at the end is a bi...

This is actually quite interesting, syntactically.
It makes me think, is "Ladies first" just a phrase or a complete sentence?
 
Anonymous
12:25 PM
@DamkerngT. It's a minor sentence.
 
@snailboat It sounds as if we omitted the verb in that sentence, which is, I think, rare in English!
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. "When do you want it?" "The sooner, the better."
 
Oh, I think I'm not sure how we should parse that!
 
Anonymous
Not all sentences are major sentences.
 
Anonymous
Usually when we say "sentence" we're talking about major sentences, those with a subject and predicate
 
Anonymous
12:32 PM
But minor sentences also exist.
 
@snailboat And I don't even notice that they do exist! Even though I also use it regularly.
 
Anonymous
12:44 PM
Ah, Listenever changed to the bounty answer!
 
I still like Barrie England's answer anyway. :-)
Admittedly, I haven't read Araucaria's latest edition yet.
 
Anonymous
This question appears to be off-topic because it is about ELL. — Cerberus 9 hours ago
 
user116848
2:11 PM
Here both are okay @snailboat :-
 
user116848
> So, recently there was a talk at some chat room that higher education is directly proportional to Atheism. Do you guys believe that? I do.
 
user116848
And
 
user116848
> So, recently there was a talk at some chat room that higher education was directly proportional to Atheism. Do you guys believe that? I do.
 
user116848
This is that optional backshift thingy, right?
 
user116848
Or am I mistaken?
 
user116848
2:13 PM
ping me
 
user116848
So, backshift is the only thing, the more I think about, the more complex it looks! :-)
 
user116848
Although I have read CGEL pages 155 onwards. While making my own sentences, I sometimes think that I am making a mistake. That's why I ask :-)
 
3:01 PM
@Arrowfar Yes, this is an instance of backshift - in traditional grammar it was called 'sequence of tenses'. It is, as you say, 'optional'. When the head clause is tensed in the past, the proposition expressed in the subordinate clause ordinarily takes the past tense too, so the two clauses live in the same time frame. But if the subordinated proposition endures into the present, you are free to cast it into the present tense. ...
It's really a matter of focus. If your discourse is centrally concerned with past events -- a narrative, for instance, in which you are recounting what was said in the chat room on that past occasion -- then you will want to cast your subordinate clause in the past. But if your discourse is centrally concerned with the proposition itself, and you mention the past event only to introduce the proposition, then you will want to cast the subordinate clause in the present.
 
user116848
3:25 PM
@StoneyB I see. Thanks Mr B! :-)
 
Context, context, context!
 
user116848
yeah, I know.
 
user116848
haha
 
user116848
@StoneyB I wrote it here though
 
3:47 PM
In that context, where your discourse is about the belief which you and your readers hold now, casting the subordinate clause in present tense is entirely appropriate.
 
 
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8:29 PM
hi
 
 
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10:21 PM
This is really hard to transcribe without already knowing the original.
 
Anonymous
11:07 PM
It's difficult even if you do know the original
 
Anonymous
That's, well, not how English is pronounced...
 
Anonymous
The pronunciation distracts quite a bit from the song...
 
Anonymous
It makes it rather difficult to enjoy
 
Anonymous
Too bad, really
 
11:23 PM
My first time through I got about half of it - mostly second hemistichs, where she to some extent abandons the tortured vowels. The heavy reverb doesn't help.
 
I did a little hunt for this version of song because one promo video of Under the Dome uses it as the backing track, and all I could make out from "At first" to "my side" (about the first 23 seconds in the clip) was "I was petrified"!
Beyond that they faded the backing track all the way until they let "I will survive" come up into the front again, and yet the original had never crossed my mind!
@StoneyB I learned a new word, hemistichs! Thanks!
 
Anonymous
11:48 PM
@DamkerngT. Like StoneyB, I could only make out about half of it (I think the same half)
 
I can't explain what she did to the sounds. I think whatever she did, it was on purpose.
I tried to find more information about the singer, but to no avail.
All I know is her (probably stage) name: Blu Holliday
A lot of consonants and vowels are very distorted to my ear, even in the verses that are easier to make out. For example, "I learn how nu get along." (I'm pretty sure she didn't vocalize -ed in there.)
 
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