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8:11 PM
How about the lengths of the answers, and the response times (and their correlation to points)?
 
Now you're asking too much!
Rage!
Grr!
J/K
Uh, I guess I could figure that out too
But not right now
There's Science! to be done!
 
YAY I got latexdiff to work
major achievement
I had to download Perl
even though I don't know how I'm even using it now
I'm so bad at computers :D
 
@KyleKanos Look at you, still talking when there's science to do
 
@StanShunpike it is not the language, it is speed. I usually take question that require calculi. And until I do the calculi the question gets lost in the site, it is not a fresh one. Also, I edit very slowly, s.t. my answer is the last one, and people don't go so far with reading answers.
 
@Sofia Just for your information: Calculi is not a word (the plural of 'calculation' is simply 'calculations')
 
8:21 PM
Lol it was @KyleKanos mentioned the language lmao
Who*
 
Well my score per answer is overunity, so I'm happy!
 
Nice!
 
@Danu calculi could be plural of calculus
 
So what's up with this changing your name thing?
How did this get started?
 
Who, me?
 
8:23 PM
Yeah
 
It got started by my meta post
 
All hail the leader of Jims
Lol
 
You don't have to hail me if you aren't a Jim
 
Lolol
 
unless you wish to Jimmigrate?
 
8:24 PM
Hahahahahah
 
@Sofia Uh, John Rennie answers questions about General Relativity. How is that not requiring calculus?
 
@Danu thanks. I used the Latin, calculus (singular), calculi (plural).
 
@JimdalftheGrey But that makes no sense in this sentence
@Sofia I am fully aware, but it is not correct here (I did take 6 years of Latin in high school)
 
Plural: calculi also calculuses
<-- FTW
 
#JimNation
@KyleKanos you were in high school six years? Lol
 
8:26 PM
@StanShunpike E Pluribus Jim
 
No, but apparently Danu did?
 
@KyleKanos I have no idea, it's not my domain. I see in general questions in my domain, and I rarely see such a logos (speech) of calculi as mine. But it may be that GR is more interesting.
 
@JimdalftheGrey lol
 
@KyleKanos The Dutch system $\neq$ the US system
4-12 is elementary school, 12-18 is high school (if you're doing university preparation; you can end as early as 16 otherwise)
 
Yeah exactly I thought it was something like that. My bf is Dutch
 
8:28 PM
@KyleKanos many, many years ago I wanted to study GR. Maybe I did a great mistake that I didn't go on it. But the wave-function captured me.
@KyleKanos by the way, it's not easy to find a work-place with the GR, neither with the QM. This is why I went to computer-systems analyst.
 
@Danu That makes sense
 
@StanShunpike Are you female (if yes, why the name?), or just homosexual? I'm not sure what occurs more often in online physics discussions :P
(also you don't have to answer that)
 
@Danu !!!!!!!!!!!!!! What you ask there?
 
Nope. I'm a dude. My name is Ben
I was waiting for someone to comment
Congrats on being the firsf
 
@Sofia Stan mentioned 'his bf' which means 'his boyfriend'
@StanShunpike Alright :)
 
8:30 PM
@StanShunpike what is dude?
 
My family and I were starting to take bets
Because no one has made a harry potter joke yet lolol
 
@StanShunpike What, on who'd notice first in physics chat? LOL
 
Yeah lol
 
@Danu what is dude?
 
@Sofia You are a Victorian time-traveller
 
8:32 PM
@Sofia just 'man', 'guy'
As in: (s)he's a time traveller, duuuuude!
 
@JimdalftheGrey oh, please, don't adopt the names that skeleton gives me.
 
I met this guy at Caltech who dressed like he was in the 1700s. He got all his suits special made by some company in Europe.
 
@StanShunpike So.... do you talk about physics chat a lot with your family? ;)
@StanShunpike Also I didn't know that was a HP character's name (a very minor character though...)
 
I do! I rave about this place. My family doesn't get it. But I actually taught my sister how to do partial derivatives with Lagrangians yesterday and she was sooo excited
She's 14
 
@Sofia Okay, but it's endearing and it fits the bill
 
8:34 PM
My family doesn't understand physics but they know SE is a good place for info
 
@JimdalftheGrey , endearing? Who? The skeleton?
 
@StanShunpike With the variety of names we get here, nobody is going to make jokes about naming yourself after a fictional character
 
@StanShunpike neat.
I never get any names lol
 
@Sofia You
 
@StanShunpike I wish I had people who'd have told me cool stuff when I was young
...also does she even know what a normal derivative is? :P
 
8:36 PM
@JimdalftheGrey do you know what is his biggest defect (i.e. of the skeleton)? That the skull doesn't have ears, s.t. I could pull at them and make them long up to the sky.
 
@Jiminion Regarding your comment:
I thought you are supposed to explain downvotes. — Jiminion 1 hour ago
There is no requirement to explain downvoting
And while nobody can tell you how to vote, typically voting to counteract a downvote isn't really the right way to go
 
@tpg2114 There is no requirement not to counteract downvotes.
 
@tpg2114 It really annoys me when people do that
(I do a fair amount of drive-by downvoting)
 
@Sofia Words fail me. I have no words
 
@Jiminion No, but I don't like it
:D
@JimdalftheGrey I concur
 
8:38 PM
@JimdalftheGrey words about what?
 
@Danu I accidentally downvotes the other day. First time.
Lo and behold my first victim was John Rennie
 
@StanShunpike I try to have more downvotes than upvotes
@StanShunpike Oh, really?
 
I quickly corrected that
 
@Jiminion Agreed. And the official policy is that it's your vote, do what you please with it so long as you aren't gaming the system:
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Q: Is it permissible to counteract a harsh downvote with an upvote on someone else's answer

AndrewDuring a question on SO, whilst the question remained somewhat ambiguous a potential answer was downvoted. No explanation of the downvote was made to the poster, nor was there any reason for that one answer to be singled out. The answer had a slight flaw in it, but at the time numerous answers h...

 
@tpg2114 I think downvotes to newbie posts w. o. explanation is confusing.
 
8:39 PM
Lol I was on mobile and accidentally clicked it
 
But it is usually frowned upon
That's fine, I'm not taking issue with your upvote to offset a downvote -- that's your prerogative even though I personally don't care for it. But there is no policy or suggestion to explain downvoting, that's what I am pointing out
The downvote is most likely because it is a question that makes no effort to solve the problem
 
@Sofia about wanting to pull ACuriousMind's ears and make them long up to the sky
 
@JimdalftheGrey what's this all about?
 
@Jiminion I'd say upvoting just to nullify someone else's vote is worse than downvoting without leaving an explanation. But that's just me
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@StanShunpike Follow the arrows, you'll see
 
@JimdalftheGrey I would agree to that also, but just like I can't tell somebody not to counteract a vote they don't like, we also can't compel somebody to post a comment explaining their vote. Both arguments work on the idea that ones' vote is their own for whatever reasons they choose
 
8:43 PM
@JimdalftheGrey Maybe I upvoted for a completely different reason. But I just left no explanation.....
 
@KyleKanos , @JimdalftheGrey, @Danu , @tpg2114 , @alarge Does someone know the answer to this delicious question ?
 
@Sofia Too practical for me ;)
 
@Jiminion That's entirely possible, except this kinda gives it away you didn't :)
Someone downvoted you - didn't explain why. I countered it. — Jiminion 1 hour ago
 
@tpg2114 plans within plans.....
 
@KyleKanos does someone understands in musical instruments in our site?
 
8:47 PM
Anyway, getting side tracked. All I wanted to say was that there is no requirement/suggestion/notion/enforcement/whatever that says one must comment to explain a vote.
 
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A: Which flag do I use for an inappropriate post?

David ZQuestion and answer flags Spam The "spam" flag is for content which is both promotional and irrelevant to the post, such as links to commercial websites unrelated to physics Do not use this flag for anything which is not promotional, or which constitutes an answer, such as answers referen...

> The "too chatty" flag is for comments which constitute idle discussion unrelated to the post, such as "+1 great post!" or "-1 this is wrong" or anything along those lines, unless the comment also includes an explanation
 
@Sofia "Delicious" is a pretty odd adjective for that question
 
@Sofia Why don't they post that to Music SE?
 
@StanShunpike It's possible it's on topic there, and it's definitely on topic here. I would expect you'd get a more physics answer here and a more "music theory" type answer there
Maybe the physics here will say it doesn't matter and the question on Music.SE would say it has something to do with making it easier to play or something
 
@tpg2114 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They often have technique questions there and I just thought someone might be an experienced keyboard player and might have comments to make about other instruments as well using similar technique
 
8:50 PM
@KyleKanos So I could swear we had a meta thread about this somewhere, but did you notice our spoiler tag is still readable?
The font is just ever-so-slightly lighter than the background
 
What's a spoiler tag?
 
@StanShunpike It hides the text until you mouse-over it
 
I didn't use spoiler tags there
 
Not all that helpful on this site, but places like Arcade.SE, Movies.SE, etc
 
But I don't seem to recall seeing that problem here
 
8:51 PM
@KyleKanos In the answer you linked to
The spoiler tags are like 1/4 of the way down
 
Oh yeah
They are covered for me
 
Just above "Very Low Quality"
They are covered for me also
But I can still read them
 
I cannot
wait
 
Huh. Must be my screen settings or something?
 
If I bend the monitor to crazy angles I can
But straight-on, I cannot
 
8:52 PM
I can read them, but only if I try to. Too much effort usually
 
Yeah, I don't have to get crazy angles (I'm on my laptop so my screen is I guess naturally not dead-on)
I may have used spoilers before when answering a HW question, maybe
 
Okay, question: Is it an accepted fact that if QG exists, magnetic monpoles exist?
Lubos said most physicists with over 5,000 citations would agree with that statement.
 
Aren't monopoles something that's predicted by the theory but not required to exist for the theory to hold?
Or did I make that up?
 
Oh, maybe that's
me misinterepreting his statement
I can find the exact quote
hang on
 
It won't really help me any -- I have no idea about any of that. But I vaguely recall reading that somewhere
 
8:57 PM
"And if you're interested, the existence of magnetic monopoles is inevitable in any consistent theory of quantum gravity."
 
..... I think most of them would agree only because most believe both exist anyway. I don't think one requires the other. I think there are ways of having QG without magnetic monopoles
 
@StanShunpike Nah, nobody really has any idea bout QG as far as I can tell
@StanShunpike Like I already said, coming from Lubos, this is not at all trustworthy.
 
@tpg2114 Did I misinterpret him?
@Danu Yeah, I remember what you said. I'm conducting additional surveys so to speak lol.
 
@StanShunpike I guess you'd have to figure out what he considers "consistent" to mean exactly. I don't know enough to weigh in on interpreting that
 
Everybody knows that Lubos is heavily invested in string theory
(emotionally, not financially)
 
8:58 PM
I love me some strings too
 
Right, but his statements are quite misleading at times
 
Okay, I'll just lurk on this conversation. I have absolutely nothing constructive I can contribute...
 
I'm still not sure what I think. I've never liked anything that isn't supported by evidence.
 
physics.stackexchange.com/questions/168002/… Gosh, why use power lines when we could use field lines instead?!
 
I guess the best way to go is to just try and study everything that seems interesting
 
9:01 PM
@NeuroFuzzy Magnetic field lines are the new rivers of civilization!
 
@NeuroFuzzy That pole shift is going to happen any day now and wipe out mankind. But man, we could totally charge up our flashlights in the 10 seconds while the pole is flipping!
 
@tpg2114 AWESOME
 
What happens when the pole shifts?
Like I mean consequences of it shifting?
 
@StanShunpike Most people die
 
Compasses are wrong
 
9:03 PM
^ that too
 
@StanShunpike Well, if you are part of the crazy people, you would post websites like this: web.archive.org/web/20031231232749/http://…
Where the poles will shift because Planet X is passing inside the inner solar system again
 
Die or Jimmigrate. Those are the only options.
 
And all hell will reign on Earth
 
@tpg2114 HAHA omg
wtf
 
His MS Paint depictions are pretty good too
 
9:04 PM
@tpg2114 great
 
@tpg2114 @tpg2114 why?
 
What do you guys think of efforts to send ppl to Mars?
Sensible or crazy?
 
Unfortunately, this guy was actually seriously crazy and ended up taking his own life shortly before he thought the pole shift would happen (like most people who believe end-of-days things, he kept making predictions and they didn't happen so he grew more frantic)
 
@StanShunpike On what timescales?
@tpg2114 Seriously? Damn
 
@Danu What do you mean? Like days, years, months, that kind of thing?
I dunno I saw a figure to lanuch plans for 2018 training or something like that
for like a 2022 or 2024 journey
which seemed nuts
 
9:06 PM
@Danu If you go through the web archive of that site you can probably find his last posts. I don't really recommend it though
@StanShunpike But that's short term.
 
Okay then short-term
 
Long term would be like... doing it repeatedly for the next 100 years to build up a colony
 
@StanShunpike Within how many years, I mean. I think it's not feasible.
 
@Danu I think it's feasible, but not given the current US political system and the risk-adverse nature of politics
 
But why?
For what purpose?
Like the moon was more realistic.
 
9:08 PM
Look at Apollo -- 3 astronauts died and 2.5 years later we were on the moon.
@StanShunpike It had nothing to do with realism and everything to do with beating the communists
 
Yeah, you're right.
That always helps.
I actually collect and listen to radio shows from the 1940s
and you start hearing jokes in the shows about Russia and space travel around 1947
 
There is no global counter-balance power with those kinds of ambitions and a national fervor to be better than said counter-balance for us to be at all dedicated to it
 
It's really weird actually. By like 1942 Albert Einstein is well known enough they make jokes on the show about him. And by 1948 all the radioshows are making references to all sorts of sciency sounding things involving atomic weapons
 
Back in the good 'ole days when we could just nuke tiny little islands to get cool propaganda video out of it
 
LOL that's funny and terrible at the same time.
 
9:10 PM
@StanShunpike Yeah, I mainly just don't see the point either
 
The whole end of WWII-transition into Cold War thing is a pretty... dark and twisted time for the US
 
that's how i feel about it!
 
@StanShunpike Einstein got really famous by 1920 already!
 
Yeah, but none of the shows from that era are around
so I can't listen to those!
archive.org has mostly 1930s to 1960s
@Danu Question: Is the Lagrangian just a function that inputs t, q, and \dot{q} and outputs a number?
Like now that I'm more comfortable with them, I want to make sure I know the mathematical nature precisely.
I'm still not really sure why I wasn't taught this to begin with.
Why do teachers try to teach kids about kinetic and potential energy and not teach about the Lagrangian!
 
9:19 PM
@StanShunpike I've always thought the Hamiltonian approach to be more intuitive.
 
@0celo7 I really hate the Hamiltonian, since it breaks the idea of a unified spacetime
 
The principle of least action is magic anyway until you learn path integrals.
 
@0celo7 ...and the path integral clears it up... how? :P
@StanShunpike In classical mechanics? I guess you can view it that way
 
@Danu Stationary phase
Of course, path integrals are magic too.
 
@0celo7 I think you have it the wrong way around
The principle of least action is used by the path integral
 
9:23 PM
@Danu The mean path in QM is the classical path. Path integrals explain the principle of least action.
 
@0celo7 It makes no sense at all to use $e^{iS}$ without knowing about Lagrangians and actions a priori
 
Sigh... tagged but talking about very small Reynolds numbers :(
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Q: Influence of a defect on the flow field

gregor02I have a long microchannel where flows some water. The reynolds number is much smaller than one. Within the structure of this microchannel there is a big defect. It looks like a bump of size approximately 20 micrometer and the microchannel's width and height are 100 micrometer. My question is t...

 
The poster derives the path integral and then shows it reproduces the principle of least action.
 
Oh, @KyleKanos added the . I assumed OP did so I had to correct him/her in my answer
 
The latter claim is not backed up fully, but be sure it can be done.
 
9:25 PM
I'm unconvinced you can 'derive' the path integral, since operator ordering problems make this impossible
Only for simple cases (Gaussian kinetic terms) does this stuff really work
 
@Danu You sure can in nonrelativistic quantum mechanics.
@Danu See Weinberg, Shankar, Zee, etc. for a derivation.
 
@0celo7 ... I know the references. Have you looked at the derivations? They always assume a Gaussian kinetic term or otherwise simple Lagrangian
 
@Danu The Hamiltonian is usually Gaussian, is it not?
 
@0celo7 ...only in simple cases
 
In nonrelativistic quantum mechanics, it usually is.
When is it not?
Magnetic field?
 
9:28 PM
Usually, sure. The point is this: I agree that one can make it seem reasonable, but I disagree that you can really derive anything deep about actions from path integrals.
So I think it's not good to conceptualize the path integral as the foundation for the action principle
I think it is more appropriate to say that it is the most powerful application of the action principle.
 
@Danu How is it an application?
 
@0celo7 ...because you postulate a Lagrangian, which then determines the theory completely, e.g. through the path integral picture of QFT
 
@Danu One may derive $$Z=\int DqDp\,\exp\left(i\int[ \dot qp-H]dt\right)$$ without any assumptions on the Hamiltonian. Then we make the standard choice $$H=\frac{p^2}{2m}+V(q)$$ and obtain the path integral once we integrate out the momentum
 
@0celo7 Yeah, sure
 
So what we need is the Hamiltonian, not the Lagrangian.
We then perform the Legendre transform if the Hamiltonian is quadratic.
No principle of least action.
 
9:33 PM
@0celo7 I don't view the Hamiltonian picture as having the same depth as the Lagrangian because of the aforementioned problem with breaking the natural symmetry.
 
@Danu This natural symmetry does not exist in classical mechanics.
 
@0celo7 There is a reason why only condensed matter theorists do this
@0celo7 ...but that's not fundamental
 
@Danu We don't need @ACuriousMind yelling at us about calling stuff fundamental.
 
I think that, in the end, it's a matter of philosophy.
@0celo7 But come on: For guiding principles about what are profound principles etc. one should look at relativistic theories
 
What is fact is that given the path integral, we can derive the principle of least action. Given however just the principle of least action, we cannot derive the path integral.
 
9:35 PM
@0celo7 I don't think you demonstrated this :P
Given the path integral... which came from where? From using the action!
 
@Danu Do you agree, that, given the path integral $Z=\int Dq\,e^{iS}$, we can recover the principle?
This can be strongly motivated.
About as strongly motivated as the Schroedinger equation, in fact.
 
Like I said, I think it's a matter of philosophy
 
@Danu How on Earth could you derive a quantum object from a classical one? None of that Lie theory nonsense here.
 
@0celo7 ...
Quantization is complicated
 
@Danu You need to show that the path integral cannot be derived from unitarity and a Gaussian assumption.
And that we must assume some sort of Lagrangian prescription.
 
9:39 PM
@0celo7 I reject the Gaussian assumption
 
@Danu Do path integrals even work if they are not Gaussian?
 
10:17 PM
@StanShunpike : why they don't post at music? Because they believed that sounds created by vibrating chords, it's matter of physics.
 
I'm confused about Hamilton's equations vs the Euler-Lagrange equation and what exactly the definition is for an equation of motion.
Hamilton has to equations one for \dot{q} and one for \dot{p}
These are seemingly separate equations.
Why is there only one Euler-Lagrange equation?
I don't think I understand what an equation of motion is. Is it something that fully describes the position and velocity of the system? If so, how does the way EL does this differ from the Hamiltonian and why does this lead to two sets of equations for Hamilton but only one equation for EL?
 
10:44 PM
@StanShunpike How well versed are you with ODEs? Remember how, say, a 2nd order ODE can be written as a system of 1st order ODEs.
 
Not well versed enough. I feel comfortable with my calc obviously. I tried to study ODEs but I couldn't find a book at my skill level. I found one too hard and one too easy. No I wasn't aware of that fact. That's probably the problem.
 
Pick up a book on electrical engineering. They hammer through all the practicalities of ODE systems, Laplace, Z and Fourier transforms etc. with well-motivated examples.
Now if you want the math background, then you should look up how matrix exponentiation works (the Jacobi irreducible form stuff, can't remember, too long ago, I can look up book recommendations if you're interested, though)
 
@alarge that would be fantastic. I have tried myself for both EE and the math approach and failed so any help would be great.
 
@alarge I'd be interested too (in the Jacobi [...] stuff recommendations)
 
I think that is the book I used during my undergrad in the intro to ODEs.
 
10:55 PM
Hmm. Interesting! Definitely not the book I found. I will look at it.
This was the one I got that was too hard amazon.com/…
 
Now that I look through the contents on Amazon it looks different. I'm quite sure of the author; Maybe he's written more books. I'll Google a bit and get back to you if I find anything.
 
@alarge huh.... the word "Jacobi" isn't in the index
 
That's odd, you mentioned that was something you learned from it right?
 
Maybe this one then by the same authors. Chapter 6 seems to have linear operators
 
I bet my library has both.
 
10:59 PM
Oh, I might've confused the names. I think what I meant was Jordan form. It's been, like, ages, so sorry.
 
Lol tis okay. Any help is great. Did you say you know of a decent EE book?
 
Yes, I used that book, but obviously not the 2012 edition (this latter book with almost the same title does look more familiar). I'm talking about stuff like 10 years ago or so.
Probably any book on EE should do (or automation/control engineering, although their approach is a tad different), I guess all of them go through this stuff. Take a course on Coursera or edX (although they may be too elementary).
 
Well thanks. I'm just looking at the later chapters though, I'm good with matrix exponentiation and
I would be very happy if I never had to solve anything but the tiniest systems of linear ODEs ever again
 
@alarge actually, I have watched an MIT OCW and read his EE book and he managed to avoid seriously addressing ODEs as far as I could tell.
But maybe there's a reference request page on the EE SE
 
tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/DE.aspx This looks good if you just want a quick and dirty tutorial on how to get stuff done.
 
11:09 PM
I'll start with that and see what I learn
The!
Thx*
 
No problem. I'm quite surprised that you seem to be trying to learn QFT and have skipped Lagrangian/Hamiltonian mechanics. Not that you should listen to me, the "deepest" physics I ever learned was introductory QFT.
 
11:59 PM
Aargh - I cant fix the problem in this question because its less than six characters - physics.stackexchange.com/questions/168044/…
What should I do?
 
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