Maid Café (メイド喫茶)

Toshinou Kyouko

11:00 AM

more numbers means more sales

Hakase

that's what he said

as compared to what?

will the slower models not work at all?

then wtf have they been selling

is everything laggy as hell? does nothing ever load on slower models

do faster models magically have no wait time

I bet the shop employees have no answer to that

mirroroftruth

that what they make you think

Taisho

mirroroftruth

it like magic , just slide to open and all other are magic , you will not know when your all money was wasted for that crap which you never intended to buy , marketing

Toshinou Kyouko

yeah idk how phones are so laggy even with silly specs

like, my tablet can be slow and it mightnt be doing anything

Hakase

11:04 AM

@Taisho (left): u luk fab (right): oh cmon nau

the only noticeable difference to me is screen

Toshinou Kyouko

oh u

Hakase

nah I don't feel like coding right now

shaggy

@Hakase what do you code in, java as well? who else on here writes code or develops?

Unihedro

@shaggy I'm a ~~medalist and~~ full stack developer. I contribute to various open source technologies as hobby.

It's how I found Stack Exchange. xD

Toshinou Kyouko

@shaggy mee~

#tomato

Taisho

11:16 AM

Hakase

@shaggy c# mostly

Unihedro

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, Dec 9 '14 at 17:04, by gunr2171

There are two types of programming languages: ones that are wrong, and c#.

shaggy

@ToshinouKyouko yea you said earlier you were working with java on android. correct?@Unihedro full stack eh, in this days world thats saying alot, and only as a hobby?
either way why i asked is because basically, last time i touched code was about 11 years ago, and here lately, due to health complications, am reconsidering getting back into programming in general, as a hobby at first and to go from there. My only qualm and concern about doing such things is, LOL a lot as changes in the past decade, and i feel quite out of the loop and way to behind. is it even possible to pick back up/lea…

Unihedro

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, Jan 30 at 13:48, by Unihedro

(Meanwhile, the world is shocked to hear Uni is not coding)

^ Here's what I mean by full stack

Hakase

wtf does full stack even mean

heh

mirroroftruth

11:25 AM

@Hakase when stack is full , it is full stack

Hakase

@mirroroftruth right, makesensio

JNat

What's with that ending in the latest Yuri Kuma?

Unihedro

laurencegellert.com/2012/08/what-is-a-full-stack-developer

mirroroftruth

@Hakase desu yo

shaggy

also as a point of reference, when i was coding 10-11 years ago i was age 14, and mostly doing stuff in LUA, getting into ruby on rails(it was kinda a new deal back then), and dabbling in some others here and there.

Toshinou Kyouko

11:27 AM

I haven't done android since v2.1

I think you'd be able to pick it up, but I'd recommend starting small and getting back into it again

shaggy

lol full stack to me means, that your profiecent in almost all levels and areas of diff languages as well as worked in multiple positions and areas of IT aswell as networking, basicly to me having a 'full hand'

Unihedro

Android is commonly worked on with SDK, but I prefer NDK for various reasons.

@shaggy Yes, I do many layers and try many new stacks (language frameworks) :p

Professionally, I'm only at most part-time as a developer though, and currently am a CTO of a startup.

Toshinou Kyouko

I think it's quite hard to tell what is the industry level, you should go through sample interview questions and if you can do them you're probably good for a junior role - I've found most companies hire on experience rather than skill for higher roles

although it depends on which company of course

shaggy

@Unihedro thats very impressive. im envious of all of you to some extent. i feel ashamed that i didnt continue as i did at the age of 14, i constantly think(each time of picking it back up again) how much experience and knowledge i woud have obtained over the last decade...

Unihedro

Why I'm a hobbyist developer: img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/a9M4A7K_460s.jpg

^_^

Hakase

11:32 AM

wut

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko experience how to ~~face~~ Google problem

shaggy

@ToshinouKyouko of course. thats totally understandable. i just need a huge refresher, and to get my hands dirty again, and pretty much relearn alot of things. unfortunately not coding for over 10 years leaves alot to be desired and not alot to be remembered ... especially these particular years of being a young dumb teen..partyin and what not

mirroroftruth

@Hakase wot

Toshinou Kyouko

@mirroroftruth not all jobs are like that though (but most :P)

Hakase

@shaggy you'd have learned a bunch of knowledge that is almost useless now :p

just start now and learn the freshest things and you'll be ok

Toshinou Kyouko

11:34 AM

I worked with a horrible testing platform that didnt have any documentation because it was so old the site had disappeared

Unihedro

Yeah, coding isn't a particularly good knowledge to have around - it may be handy, but in most jobs you don't benefit from if it's not in IT :p

Hakase

@Unihedro is it a secret startup or may we be linked to it?

Toshinou Kyouko

no stackoverflow answers for that :(

shaggy

@Unihedro understandable. i started coding because it interested me, not because of potential job positions, thus why i end up not following through with it.

Toshinou Kyouko

It's fairly transferrable if you want to make excel scripts

Unihedro

11:35 AM

@Hakase Will I be banned for promoting? :S

Oh well, here: angel.co/oratio-io

Toshinou Kyouko

or if you do repetitive work that you could script it

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko that what i do

Hakase

it's not promo if peolpe ask for it

Toshinou Kyouko

@Unihedro people in suits and then an avatar with a lobster hat

shaggy

@Hakase thats kinda of refreshing to hear thanks, i just feel like i would have alot cleaner of a syntax, and most likely stronger more efficient way of building code, compared to all the clutter that seems to be the norm today

Taisho

11:36 AM

Hakase

I didn't read any books but now my ways of coding are much better (after 3 years of coding)

shaggy

@Unihedro lobster hat wins.

Unihedro

@ToshinouKyouko #eccentricdeveloper ;)

Hakase

ya dat lobsterhat

Unihedro

It's from Winterbash!!

Hakase

11:37 AM

I know, it's cool

I bet people scratch their heads all the time thinking how u got to keep it after winter bash ended

Unihedro

xD

in Tcl on Stack Overflow Chat, Dec 15 '14 at 17:18, by Unihedro

The hat I am wearing in the avatar was obtained in the Winterbash 2014 event, which is a Stack Exchange tradition. I exceptionally liked the hat because it is easy to get, and its requirement was to downvote five posts; Being a frequent downvoter, I found a huge bond with the hat and wore it during the season.

shaggy

well i mean , hmm, any tips for whats hot now, and what the future holds, hehehe any fortune tellers out there

Unihedro

C:

@shaggy C# and Java will remain the mainstream languages. Python is now the excellent "pick up programming" language. Rust is uprising, who knows where it will go.

Hakase

@shaggy totally depends on what you like or not

I guess web dev is the most popular sort of programming these days

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko i thought it is crab

Hakase

11:39 AM

gamedev is a fun option, but it doesn't pay much

shaggy

im really not big into web dev... haha

Hakase

of course if you're into old broken systems that have no documentation, welcome to banking software

Unihedro

For web dev, PHP and Node.js are still the nice tools, along with Django and dropwizard (frameworks for software development languages, in python and java respectively) and iojs is new

/end bloating this room with programming stuff :D

Toshinou Kyouko

@Hakase wooo

shaggy

lol sorry for bringing it up.

Hakase

11:41 AM

yay

shaggy

im just looking for some guidance

Toshinou Kyouko

#tomato

Taisho

Unihedro

@Hakase Game dev pays much if you have a reliable team + a reliable idea + a reliable way to throw publicity stunt :D

Hakase

which means almost never

Toshinou Kyouko

11:41 AM

banking and financial software pays the most

Unihedro

@Hakase Find someone smart, and mock them into business. Of course, you also have to beware that their smartness doesn't backstab you.

shaggy

@ToshinouKyouko when you say android and java, are you talking web, or app stuff

Hakase

heh

Unihedro

@ToshinouKyouko ... Which, unfortunately, both happen to have the worst programmers into play :)

Even my hobbyist tier software is more secure than my ex-bank's service

Toshinou Kyouko

@Unihedro its because it's not fun :P

Hakase

11:43 AM

yup, can confirm

Toshinou Kyouko

a great programmer can get paid very well and work on something he likes

Hakase

nope, can't confirm yet :D

Toshinou Kyouko

@shaggy app stuff (i have done web stuff also, just not with java)

I can confirm that everyone else in fintech makes a lot of money

not me though :P

Unihedro

@ToshinouKyouko Stack Exchange is hiring! :p

Hakase

ooh that one I can confirm also

mirroroftruth

11:44 AM

@ToshinouKyouko hey don't forget me

Hakase

@Unihedro but they need really good guys who know a lot of stuff

shaggy

@ToshinouKyouko im not worried to much about money, i want to do something i enjoy. ive learned my lesson and i know what i want in life

mirroroftruth

@Unihedro the level is too high at least for me

Hakase

@shaggy then first thing u gotta do is figure out what you enjoy

Toshinou Kyouko

They are hiring a magician

Hakase

11:45 AM

I'm only an apprentice

Toshinou Kyouko

I unfortunately picked archer

Unihedro

I need to craft a CV for my career possession. xD

Hakase

it's never too late to respec

shaggy

and i like the app idea, back when i was starting to code, there were no smart phones and the like, the only thing i had was windows OS, and PSP hacked firmware stuff

Hakase

@ToshinouKyouko ranger classes ftw!

mirroroftruth

11:46 AM

@ToshinouKyouko ya a long ranger

Toshinou Kyouko

pew pew

shaggy

now what are you guys talking about haha

:D

ragnorok lol?

justgamerstuff

11:47 AM

@shaggy this is the way chat works here

Toshinou Kyouko

stack exchange are hiring a magician, and i was saying i picked the wrong class

shaggy

ahahah

i see.

well thanks for the brief off topic talk guys. i needed that

Unihedro

xD

Hakase

I'm making games these days

Unihedro

Awesome!

shaggy

11:49 AM

i have much more motivation

@Hakase what kind

Hakase

the game engine games lol

mirroroftruth

@Hakase i lost my motivation on that

Hakase

wanted to remake Diablo 2 since I was little

shaggy

like with your own spin?

Hakase

there's too much stuff that can be added, which is not there

shaggy

11:50 AM

or remake,remake

Hakase

with editors

Unihedro

Ohhh, I remember game editors

Hakase

anybody will be able to put their on spin on it

shaggy

ahh i see. and indeed, how did you like D3 RoS?

Hakase

only played the base D3 and it was not good at all

everything changed when blizzard got blinded with money

Unihedro

11:51 AM

Moolah!

shaggy

i played RoS, not the base.. but i played it on XB1 and it ran fairly smooth , first time playin on a console ... and yeah . thats the sad part of everything. money kills all

Unihedro

If only money was no object, all of us could possess what we love and there's nothing for the world to fight for.

shaggy

indeed

Hakase

the fight would then be for who gets it first or something

there's always fight when living things are involved

Unihedro

Humans are weird~

Hakase

11:53 AM

it's one of the entertainments

pokemon

shaggy

i get your point. but what were talking about is an impossible world anyways so theres no point in even speculating IMO

Hakase

what do they do all the time? fight lol

wild pokemon live fine alongside each other, but then people gotta make em fight with each other for money and badges

Toshinou Kyouko

The problem with the world is noone would want to work if they didnt have to

but the world needs workers to do basic things like set up water systems and farm food

Hakase

I strongly disagree

there are things like manga and anime which you can't make or get without somebody working

shaggy

i sightly disagree

Unihedro

11:55 AM

@ToshinouKyouko Possessions were grown as part of the nature of intelligence. Birds build fancy nests even if they don't need it.

mirroroftruth

i thisagree

Toshinou Kyouko

well some people like working, but I mean people would work on what they like, rather than what society needs

Hakase

but ye we gotta make magic food and water machines already

shaggy

i know people that like to work, or dont see it as work.

Toshinou Kyouko

i doubt many people want to be bin people

shaggy

11:56 AM

theyd work on what they need, not society

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko but they need what they need not what they like

Hakase

was bin laden one of bin people?

shaggy

haha this is getting to deep

Toshinou Kyouko

I mean bin as in garbage :P

shaggy

da rubbish bin

Hakase

11:57 AM

trash laden

Toshinou Kyouko

@mirroroftruth aye, and people need to work to get what they need

i dont know where i was meant to be going with this

i think it was like: jobs are needed

mirroroftruth

how deep , like deep fried chicken

Hakase

Bakuman shows how a bunch of young people work their asses off to make manga

there's almost no focus on money and such

mirroroftruth

@Hakase bean laden

Unihedro

We're stimulating an impossible world with our own ecology, with the chat transcript as a medium. xD

That's pretty cool, actually.

Toshinou Kyouko

11:59 AM

@Hakase they do need some money though

Hakase

anything is possible if you can imagine it

Toshinou Kyouko

they can't work on their manga all the time if they cant afford to eat

Hakase

@ToshinouKyouko ye but it's largely implied that they get by rather well

those art tools cost a lot

Toshinou Kyouko

sure, but to get that money, people need to buy their manga, who in turn need jobs

lets just buy an island together and make a new nation

Hakase

ok fine where do I sign

Toshinou Kyouko

12:01 PM

there is no contracts on the island, only contracts of fun

shaggy

i been starting bakemonogatari... and i got to say, this is not what i was expecting

Unihedro

@ToshinouKyouko At least an NDA?..

Hakase

lol

shaggy

lol

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko take me in

Unihedro

12:01 PM

I'll help mine and collect minerals. Trust me, I'm an expert miner! From playing Minecraft

Toshinou Kyouko

:D

shaggy

im an expert miner from runescape

Hakase

I'm an expert miner from Terraria

shaggy

i think im better than you @Unihedro

Hakase

we gon mine in 2d

mirroroftruth

12:02 PM

and i am expert minor , its something

dang I'm outranked

lol

:O

@Hakase can make robots to do our farming

ooh

sock puppets :D

Hakase

12:03 PM

Marii-chan

Unihedro

I'm an.. expert chemist and mathematician! I score D in both subjects in school :D

Toshinou Kyouko

I like the frog

Unihedro

@Taisho Puppets!

Hakase

oh right we'll automate everything

shaggy

cause that always works out well....

mirroroftruth

12:04 PM

leave farming to farmer

maido roboto , we need it

Hakase

one day, my friends

Toshinou Kyouko

but we need money to make the robots

Hakase

we do kickstarter campaigns

Toshinou Kyouko

but i guess it's an investment

Hakase

convincing ones

Toshinou Kyouko

12:05 PM

hmm

Unihedro

Do we have an engineer on board? :o

Toshinou Kyouko

i wonder how big the island is we should buy

we might get lots of immigrants

Hakase

we buy the cat island and employ cats

Toshinou Kyouko

ooh

mirroroftruth

and dogs for protection

Hakase

12:07 PM

no

bigger cats

mirroroftruth

ok

Hakase

all citizens must wear cat ears outside

tails not required, but welcome

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko strict law should be build to accept immigrants

requirement must be fulfilled

Toshinou Kyouko

but there will be a number that we cannot support

it takes time to build robots

mirroroftruth

but i don't have cat's ear ,i have rabbit's ear

Toshinou Kyouko

12:09 PM

and we will only have a certain amount of land

Hakase

@ToshinouKyouko we make robots that build robots

Toshinou Kyouko

woah @_@

hmm

antartica is technically owned by noone soooo

Hakase

and one day we make robots that will be able to build anything, including themselves

Toshinou Kyouko

we wouldnt even need to buy it

mirroroftruth

one robot to build them all

Unihedro

12:10 PM

Make sure they know the Three Laws of Robotics!

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko penguin

Unihedro

Or they might kill us :/

Toshinou Kyouko

@mirroroftruth we can make houses for penguins too

Hakase

those three laws are flawed

mirroroftruth

@Unihedro we make rule in our land

Toshinou Kyouko

12:10 PM

I accept our tsun maid robot overlords

Unihedro

@mirroroftruth Good idea! We need a lawyer.

Hakase

a robot lawyer

Toshinou Kyouko

rule 1: be nice

Asada Shino

rule 2: don't be not nice?

mirroroftruth

@Hakase that is good idea , a robot lawyer who keep them in rule

Toshinou Kyouko

12:12 PM

i haven't thought about the other rules yet

mirroroftruth

@ToshinouKyouko who should be nice

Toshinou Kyouko

@mirroroftruth all citizens

Hakase

rule x: all (non-personal) knowledge is free and available to all

shaggy

jesus im got for like 5 min and 43 new post...

Hakase

@shaggy this is nothing

Unihedro

12:13 PM

@Hakase Yus yus!

Toshinou Kyouko

while you were gone @shaggy we have decided to create a new civilization

shaggy

of course. this happened , when i was away... just my luck

was it founded on the basis of robotic farming?

Unihedro

@shaggy The world passes a lot faster when you don't pay attention. :p

Hakase

all boring stuff is done by robots

shaggy

cause i think thats when i took leave, came back and now its a complete civilization

Asada Shino

12:14 PM

Like moelization?

shaggy

@Unihedro true enough

mirroroftruth

we need moe in robot too

shaggy

@Unihedro that explains the last decade of my life quite accurately

lol moe robot. ahhhh i love you guys

Unihedro

O~i

mirroroftruth

time to head home to make new civilization plan

Hakase

12:16 PM

yes, you better do that

shaggy

do we have a name yet?

mirroroftruth

bye all of you

Unihedro

Bye bye!

Hakase

Moelization by Sid Moers

2

shaggy

can i be the treasurer.... cause theres going to be no money righttt..?

Unihedro

12:16 PM

@shaggy Eh... Collaborative Imagination?

#melon

:3

dang so fancy

and it's just pizza

Unihedro

My concentration always stays on the hair in these pictures for some weird reason. xP

Hakase

12:18 PM

gradients

Toshinou Kyouko

i want some pizza

Hakase

you can get it

but it won't be as fancy as in this picture

unless it will?

if so, can I be invited?

Toshinou Kyouko

it wont be fancy

Hakase

aww :<

rule 2: try to be fancy

shaggy

ugh guys it was good talking ill see yall tomorrow, im off to finish bakemonogatari and heat up some bulgogi. ciao my friends

Hakase

12:22 PM

c ya

Unihedro

@shaggy Bai bai~

Hakase

@Uni u hav bitbucket account?

Unihedro

I miht

Hakase

also r u interested in diablo 2 remake/game engine project I mentioned?

Unihedro

Oh? :O

shaggy

12:25 PM

^^ i love that your serious about that.

this^^ just made my night

Hakase

I'm serious about everything, it's just that I'm lazy af

Unihedro

xD

shaggy

well quit that ...stop being lazy

Hakase

and need motivation

shaggy

eye of the tiger?

Hakase

12:26 PM

which is why I'm trying to involve others

so they see steady progress, say WOO progress! and I get motivated again and keep making progress

shaggy

shit man. im stoked just hearing about the idea of it

Hakase

this is how all things work really

Unihedro

@Hakase Self esteem hack!

shaggy

does this mean that youve already started work on the engine?

Hakase

haka.se

@shaggy of course it does

there's not much right now, but there's always a bit more coming

I already remade Terraria once, I don't think this is gonna be much more difficult

shaggy

12:28 PM

:D whaaat! is terraria open source?

Hakase

lol of course not

neither is D2

shaggy

of course

Hakase

ok then I have a few more projects going on so if any of you have your own crazy lazy ideas, you know you can always nag me for some motivation

be sure to motivate me back tho

this is how we gon make the world a better place

Unihedro

This is an awesome idea! xD

shaggy

i dont know much about terra tho, i had to look it up once you mentioned it. props to you for that my friend. super inspiring. thats what drives me, i would love to be able to do that. im starting first thing tomorrow, on trying to renew my knowledge and to begin coding again. your the man!

Unihedro

12:32 PM

YAy! :D

shaggy

hats off to you all. but foreal this time, im off. cheers

Seeya!

right back to bzns

@Hakase Bizons?

Boozeness?

Hakase

12:38 PM

making the blocking map tile layer and editor, save/load maps, then make blocking tiles actually block character movement

Asada Shino

Coool :o

Hakase

that means collision detection and resolution which I absolutely hate but gotta do

Asada Shino

._.

Hakase

coz it has math

Asada Shino

I wouldn't even know where to start with something like that xD

Hakase

12:39 PM

I hate math

Asada Shino

I don't really dislike math, but I don't have as much application development experience, let alone graphic application development :P

Hakase

@AsadaShino just draw it on paper, figure out how what you just drew works, translate into simple sentences, then translate into code

Asada Shino

The most graphic I've gotten is css ~_~

Unihedro

CSS3 or legacy CSS? :D

Asada Shino

@Hakase Then you'd first have to be able to draw something, so you can do something with what you want to draw on screen, or is that not what you meant?

@Unihedro What's the big difference? I thought css3 was mostly a set of newly added stuff for animating and such

Hakase

12:41 PM

no, u asked where to start, I answered how to start and get it done :p

Asada Shino

I don't really know how to answer that question, since I don't really know what the difference is apart from the number 3

Unihedro

Yeah, the animation and pointlessly complicated cascading is all the madness that makes CSS3 hard. :D

Asada Shino

@Hakase Aha, I see xD

Hakase

it's really simple

I might be able to make a tutorial once I get it done

Asada Shino

@Unihedro I guess just css then? I have done some animation/translation sort of stuff, but most of the webdesigns made by our designers don't really feature any animations or anything spectacular

Unihedro

12:42 PM

Kewl~

Asada Shino

@Hakase :o Cool

Hakase

ok then… putting that tutorial on my to-do list

Asada Shino

Haha, ganbatte~! o/

Hakase

but first map saving, editing, etc

Toshinou Kyouko