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3:00 PM
But I remember Tobi's fight against Minato. Minato did a pretty good job there.
 
@JNat Then Kira might have been able to kill me, but I'd make sure my Kyubi would return the favor.
 
@Alenanno don't compare tobi and madara...
 
@Alenanno Yeah well, Tobi doesn't have Susano'o.
 
@MadaraUchiha: is that because he needs 2 eyes?
 
@JNat Yes, that's what they say
Only the ones who master both Mangekyos can awaken the Susano'o
 
3:01 PM
so obito and kakashi will never get it
?
 
Don't you think Orochimaru's end was kind of... sad? I think he's going to come back in a way in the future. I won't tell why I think so, unless you really want to know.
 
@JNat Unless obito takes his eye back, no.
 
@Alenanno do you read the manga?
 
@Alenanno It's best if we don't go down that path
 
SPOILER SPOILER! lol
 
3:02 PM
Especially if you don't read the manga :)
 
indeed
 
@JNat not yet. :(
I will buy the whole thing someday.
 
so let's stop talking about this
 
In Japanese.
 
lol
 
3:03 PM
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Q: What do we do with questions which are spoiler by nature?

Madara UchihaWe really need to agree on this one early on. What do we do with questions who by nature are spoilers? I mean, not part of the question, but the entire question. For instance, asking about a character who's identity is only revealed later in the manga (but not the anime). Even the question's tit...

 
Agreed. lol
 
@Alenanno I have the same ambition
 
@JNat I'm currently learning Japanese so I'm covered on that side. :D
Still basic for now, but by then...
 
My brother collects the translated volumes, he has almost all of them by now
 
@Alenanno I too am learning Japanese
 
3:05 PM
@Alenanno where are you a mod?
 
@JNat shakes hand
@MadaraUchiha Linguistics, Chinese and Russian.
 
How possible is it to implement a feature to mark a question as spoilerish?
 
@Alenanno nice
 
A feature separate from the tags system
 
@MadaraUchiha I don't know. But you did the first step: raise awareness in the site.
If it gains traction, then we'll be able to ask the Team.
 
3:06 PM
that's nice
 
Awesome
If you want, let me talk to them.
No one turns Madara Uchiha down.
(and lives)
 
lol
 
Oh, when it's time, someone of them might participate in the discussion or here.
:P
 
@MadaraUchiha I guess there will be no more Team after your done with them... lol
 
3:08 PM
@JNat I'll drop something large and heavy on their heads.
 
@MadaraUchiha That sounds banal from someone like Madara. :P
 
I actually can't wait to see that part in the anime
@Alenanno You'll understand what I mean when it reaches the anime :P
 
@MadaraUchiha Should we delete some chat messages? Earlier you did give away some spoiler. lol
 
regarding spoilers: maybe there should be two different chat rooms
one for animes and other for mangas
right?
 
@JNat That's still problematic.
 
3:09 PM
You'll still have spoilers if someone is starting the anime/manga now.
 
hmm
indeed
 
Or if someone is watching Naruto, but reading Bleach
 
@MadaraUchiha lol indeed
 
A good rule of thumb is: if you wonder whether it's a spoiler, it's a spoiler to someone else for sure.
 
Bah Stack Overflow never has those problems
 
3:10 PM
I am very glad that I am always up to date on naruto
otherwise I'd come here and get spoiled from every side
but I do pity those who are behind...
 
lol
 
Naruto is too good to be left behind in the Anime
especially now in the new bleach-style-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-plot filler arc.
 
Where are you guys from? I mean the nation.
 
@Alenanno Israel
 
Portugal
 
3:12 PM
Ugh fillers.
By the way, only Naruto fillers SUCK big time.
One Piece fillers are much better.
 
the second half of the first FMA series sucks too
 
I actually liked it. lol
 
especially if you watch Brotherhood afterwards
you did? it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
 
@JNat The first few episodes of FMA:B made me want to go back to Afro Samurai
 
@MadaraUchiha never seen it
 
3:13 PM
It was less mentally disturbing.
 
@JNat I liked all of them. :D
@MadaraUchiha LOL. Yes, FMA is quite challenging on that side.
But then again, better that than boring.
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah, the whole thing with that girl turned into a chimaera
quite disturbing indeed
 
The saddest part in FMA is BEWARE SPOILERS the girl and the dog. :S
 
Afro Samurai is a 5 episode anime, which contains the most blood I've ever seen in any anime
Including Naruto + Bleach + FMA + FMA:B combined
 
@JNat Yes, that.
 
3:15 PM
@MadaraUchiha I have it in my pc to see, but still haven't
 
@MadaraUchiha Is it good?
 
It is
 
have you seen samurai champloo?
 
Though it took me about 2 runs to understand everything
 
@MadaraUchiha lol
 
3:15 PM
@Alenanno Stuff move fast there
 
What do you think about Elfen Lied? I have seen something on Youtube but I'm not sure about what kind of Anime it's supposed to be... Maybe Horror?
 
@Alenanno saw one episode of it, and I too am not sure
 
Substitution is basically Izanagi without sacrificing your eye. I killed you! No, you actually killed a log! — Madara Uchiha 5 hours ago
 
By the way, I wish they re-did (respecting the plot) Hokuto no Ken. One of the most sentimental (not love-y) and manly series of all time.
 
Anyone things the same? :P
user image
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3:19 PM
@MadaraUchiha lol awesome
do you think this site will succeed?
or will it be shut down?
It is my first time in a private beta
So I am not sure what is considered good in this phase
 
I see a fair activity so far, but it's also my first private beta as well
What do you guys say? I'm thinking of changing my avatar to:
 
lool
I'd do it
 
@MadaraUchiha here are some stats
regarding the number of visits, the site is dying
 
@MadaraUchiha LOOL
 
3:22 PM
@JNat Well, we're still on day 0, you know :)
 
but I guess that's to be expected, given the fase
 
@JNat It's too soon to be worried about that. :)
Anime and Manga are too popular, I think the site will gain visits.
 
but we'll have to make some good advertising
 
@Alenanno I'm actually worried this to turn out too much like WikiAnswers
Though their moderation approach is different, their site is a mess
 
@MadaraUchiha agreed
 
3:23 PM
(I'm a mod on the Naruto category, and I've pretty much given up all hope)
For every question I fix, 3 more crap questions pop up
 
There is a difference: here everybody is a moderator, on different levels.
 
"When will sasusaku happen???"
 
We must educate users to vote to close, flag.
 
@Alenanno Indeed.
 
@MadaraUchiha wut?
 
3:24 PM
It'll be hard but it'll pay off.
 
@JNat I've actually seen a question like that
 
and what the hell is it supposed to mean?
what is sasusaku? It is nothing, right?
 
@Alenanno I'm a member on Stack Overflow for quite a while, I've seen some pretty crappy question over on I know how to deal with crap
@JNat It literally translates to "When will Sakura and Sasuke be together?"
From noobish, I think.
 
ah... ok
 
sasusaku - sasu saku - sasuke sakura
 
3:26 PM
btw, does any of you have any idea when the site leaves private beta?
 
Ah lol
 
to go to public?
just out of curiosity
 
Usually it takes 7 days.
 
@Alenanno ok
 
:P
 
3:27 PM
@Alenanno Then about a week after that there're pro team nominations, right?
 
@MadaraUchiha what is that?
 
@MadaraUchiha Yeah, give or take... It's not that fixed and it doesn't work for all sites the same way.
@MadaraUchiha It's Pro-tem*, by the way.
 
@JNat Temporary mods.
@Alenanno Oh, I see
 
It comes from "pro tempore".
 
okok
 
3:29 PM
They'll be our mods until we graduate.
Then we'll have proper elections.
 
And will these pro-tem be users like us?
or someone from the SE team?
 
Yes and no. :P
 
They'll be active users, who have shown interest in community building and moderation
 
Do you know what are the criteria for nominating them?
 
I'm a pro tempore mod on 3 sites for example. I wasn't elected. Some people were nominated, others self-nominated, and then the Team chooses three among them.
 
3:30 PM
@MadaraUchiha that answers it
 
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Q: When can we expect moderator elections?

Madara UchihaThis is the very first private beta I participate in. From what I understand, it takes about (sometimes more) a week for it to be a public beta. When are moderators for it elected? During public beta? After it airs as an ordinary site?

 
@Alenanno: i see
 
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Q: Pro-tem moderator nominations

hippietrailWell we've been around more than a week and are now open to the public. Stack Exchange likes to appoint pro-tem moderators at about the two week mark so it's high time to nominate some contributors for those positions. Please nominate one user per answer so that we can vote up/down each person i...

That is an example on Linguistics.
 
@JNat Corrected your spoiler block
 
@Alenanno thanks for the link
 
3:33 PM
xD
 
@MadaraUchiha what? where?
 
@JNat Check your notifications
 
By the way, about the log:
user image
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@MadaraUchiha nothing in them
@Alenanno lool
 
Ahahah
 
3:35 PM
@Alenanno Heh, guess it works both ways
 
xD
 
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A: Spoilers - How didn't Tobi go blind yet?

grasshopperThis answer contains lots of spoilers so I might as well make one block, edit if you will ! When Madara rescued Obito from the collapsed cave he used Hashirama Senju's living clone to heal Obito's crushed body. Not only did this heal Obito's body but it also gave him access to Hashirama Senju...

Oh it wasn't yours lol
 
@MadaraUchiha It's not fixed!
 
I had only edited it
 
@MadaraUchiha Remove the space between the paragraphs.
 
3:36 PM
I think
no, I edited the one above it
@Alenanno I did it
 
@JNat Ok thanks. :P
 
Dang it 4 more upvotes and I'll be rid of this edit suggestion curse!
 
@MadaraUchiha lol
 
That's the disadvantage of moving to a new site after gaining 40k on Stack Overflow
You're so used to your old privileges, you start going mad without 'em
Not sure how you manage as a mod @Alenanno
 
@MadaraUchiha: this question of yours has an error (Edo TensEi)
also it is a spoiler in itself
lol
 
3:38 PM
@JNat Edo Tensai, As in immoral genius, what's wrong?
 
loool
ok, that is right
 
Also, the question isn't mine :P
 
oh, I thought it was
It is the answer that is yours
right
 
@MadaraUchiha Why?
 
should it be edited?
the title of the question I mean
 
3:41 PM
@Alenanno Suddenly stripped out of your mod privileges
@JNat I've submitted a suggestion
 
@MadaraUchiha Ahah it's ok. :P
 
@MadaraUchiha: so maybe now you should edit your answer a bit
because of spoilers as well
 
@MadaraUchiha How do you call in English the basic ability of Ninjas? Like Wind for Naruto, Thunder for Sasuke, etc...
 
no?
 
@Alenanno I'm going mad! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
 
3:43 PM
@MadaraUchiha xD
 
@Alenanno Chakra Nature
 
Thanks.
 
@Alenanno Or perhaps Element
Depends on the context
 
nice edit Madara!
 
I can manipulate the Fire Nature of my chakra, but I use Fire Element techniques
 
3:46 PM
@Alenanno No link to the author? :p
 
@Krazer: he is Brazilian
his page his written in Portuguese
 
damn that was a struggle logging into this chatroom, anyway... hi
 
@grasshopper: hi
 
so guys whats the vote on spoilers and how to handle them?
 
@JNat I suppose he is :)
 
3:48 PM
@grasshopper lol only one person responded to that meta post
 
@Krazer What author?
 
@Alenanno of the comic you linked
 
I think I asked a hard question. lol
 
lots of other post on spoilers though
 
@Krazer Ah I didn't know that. :P
 
3:49 PM
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Q: What do we do with questions which are spoiler by nature?

Madara UchihaWe really need to agree on this one early on. What do we do with questions who by nature are spoilers? I mean, not part of the question, but the entire question. For instance, asking about a character who's identity is only revealed later in the manga (but not the anime). Even the question's tit...

this looks like the main one to me
and this
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Q: What should our policiy be regarding spoilers?

WipqoznConsidering the topic of our site, I think it's important that we discuss the issue of spoilers early so it doesn't become an issue later. With that in mind, things we need to address: When should spoilers be permitted in titles? When should we require users to include spoiler markdown in the q...

 
They are slightly different, no?
 
@Alenanno I think the former can be included in the latter
 
The second one admits that some questions are unable to be spoiler-free
I am not sure if I agree with that
There should always be an effort to make question titles spoiler-free
 
@JNat Yes. :P
 
Otherwise I think the site may repel more people than it attracts
 
3:53 PM
I see I see, so rule of thumb is to make it still searchanle and findable, some kind of middle ground for people who want spoilers anyway and people who dont
 
@JNat i concur.
@grasshopper also this
 
@Aarthi That reminds me of Artanis from Starcraft.
 
Ah, welcome @Aarthi
 
:D
 
So If I were to ask how Itachi got Shisui's sharingan, how would I re-word this question to not include spoilers?
 
3:58 PM
@Krazer See, that's problematic. Though a question like this is practically inviting spoilers.
If you'd have read the mange, you would have known.
 
@Krazer The title "How did Itachi get his Mangekyou Sharingan" would be spoiler free.
 
The fact that you're asking implies that you want spoilers.
 
Wouldn't pretty much any question about plot be a spoiler?
 
@Alenanno But it would inaccurately describe the question.
 
@MadaraUchiha No, why? It's just that.
 
4:00 PM
@Alenanno It isn't, see? You wouldv'e been fooled by it, and spoiled.
He got his Mangekyo by killing Shisui, true.
But that's not what the question is about, it's about Shisui's eye itself.
 
@MadaraUchiha I mean that the title lets you know Itachi got his Mangekyou, but you wouldn't know how unless you open it.
@MadaraUchiha No wait... You get your Mangekyou by killing your best friend regardless if that friend has it or not.
 
@Krazer what about something like 'regarding kotoamatsukami'
which, I guess, is your concern
and then you'd add SPOILER to it
 
@JNat in the title or as a tag (I know the answer, I'm just using it as an example)
 
@MadaraUchiha I agree with Alenanno, maybe include more specifics in a first spoiler block asking how he got Shishui's eyes, still relevant
 
@Krazer title I guess
 
4:03 PM
@Alenanno The problem with your answer is that Itachi's crow has Shisui's eyes
not Itachi
 
its troublesome, we have to ask spoiler free questions or indicate that the question will reveal spoilers, either way is troublesome
 
@Krazer Ew... But I don't think that's relevant. What gives you the Mangekyou is the fact that you did a terrible thing like killing your best friend. Or at least, this is what I got from the story. And what Itachi says, if I remember correctly.
 
@Krazer this may mean that he only (somehow) absorbed the technique?
@Alenanno I think you don't realize everything that is going on here. This is regarding something far ahead in the manga. maybe spoiler for you? Or maybe you know it
 
@JNat Probably.
So let's talk about flowers instead.
 
lol
 
4:06 PM
xD
 
@Alenanno I like lycoris
 
@Krazer Not bad. :P
 
Also should there be a grace period for spoilers? When can a spoiler not be considered a spoiler any more... because it's so old... E.g., Snape kills Dumbledore, Darth Vader is Luke's father.
 
Actually, you, as an anime viewer probably won't even recognize some of the spoilers you'd see
until it would be too late
 
@MadaraUchiha so should we have a spoiler tag then?
 
4:12 PM
@Krazer A question's title should indicate clearly that it's spoilerous and for whom.
 
Spoilers should be kept out of titles... if you're browsing around Q&A fansites reading things on a series you haven't finished, you deserve what you get
 
For example, "Why could some people break Edo Tensei"
 
@MadaraUchiha at the same time that is not good, because simply by reading the question someone could be spoiled
 
You'd know it's a spoiler instantly, because you haven't seen anyone do that
 
@MadaraUchiha point taken
@Krazer I don't think that should be like that. you should always consider it spoiler, because someone may just be getting started in that particular show
@Krazer Had I not seen Star Wars already, you'd be spoiling me just now
 
4:15 PM
is in favor of spoiler-blocking parts of questions, but leaving answers as-is
 
@Krazer you should not just assume that because it is old everyone has seen it
 
Spoilers should be hidden, question or answer. You don't need to block all the time anyways.
 
@JNat but it's well know enough and part of popular culture, it's almost unavoidable, unless you lived under a rock
 
The question body can take the form: In episode XYZ of anime ABC: <spoilertag> Why did main character kill other main character? </spoilertag>... the title should be kept spoiler-free if at all possible (which will force some titles to be remarkably non-descriptive)
 
@jkerian you can have spoiler tag in the title, at least I don't think you can
 
4:17 PM
@Krazer can't?.... I was talking there about the question body
 
@Alenanno sometimes the answer may be a spoiler to the one asking the question. agreed
@Alenanno I may ask something like 'why did X do Y in episode Z?'
 
The other option... and this is a very real option, is not to worry about spoilers
 
@Alenanno and that could be answered 2 or 3 episodes farther on
 
The policy would then be "Don't search on tags/series that you don't want to have spoiled"
 
@JNat In the title? It depends. :P
 
4:19 PM
@Alenanno so the answer should go like 'in episode Z+3 .....' and add the rest in spoiler mark
 
hey all :) thought I'd stop by the chat on my day off
 
I think that no spoilers in title might make the question overly broad
 
@Alenanno the title is trickier
@Krazer suppose I just started naruto and find out about this site. I come here and suddenly I know a ton of things only meant to be known 500 episodes later... I don't think that is right
 
Guys, it really depends on the wording. You can state something and hide it in the wording so even if I read it, I don't get it. But if someone knows it and reads it, they'll get it. And anyways, you can always ask for suggestions. :P
 
@Alenanno yes. agreed
 
4:21 PM
@JNat most of it's filler any way, they didn't miss much ;P
 
@Krazer not the point. some people even like to see the fillers
@Krazer not even fillers should be spoiled just for being fillers
 
@JNat I never said filler should be spoiled
I'm just commenting that there were too many.
 
indeed
btw, does anyone know what is the character on this site's icon? is it some Kanji?
 
@JNat yes it's the kanji 画
 
@Krazer what does it stand for?
 
4:28 PM
@JNat for: to draw; picture/painting
 
@Krazer nice
 
pronounced "ga"
 
is there a tag for questions about differences between anime/manga versions?
 
@Krazer is this because of manga? or because the site is still in its 'drawing phase'?
@atlantiza and movie differences or contextualizations as well?
 
@JNat as in 漫画 (manga) or 動画 (animation). Yes, it's still in "beta"
 
4:30 PM
I suppose any differences, but I'm writing a question right now about anime/manga differences
if there isn't one, I think there should be... :)
 
@atlantiza I agree~
 
@atlantiza me too
 
should I make a meta about it? I have no idea what to call it and wouldn't trust myself with making it lol
 
@atlantiza you should
 
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Q: A tag for differences between versions

atlantizaI think we need a tag for questions about differences between anime/manga versions and even TV series/movie versions. That way it's easy to sort all of these questions without attempting to search for them. And it would be easier to implement this now rather than once we have even more questions....

 
4:43 PM
@atlantiza maybe a "variations" tag?
 
@grasshopper feel free to add it as an answer and see what other people think :)
 
I'm not sure I got your meta question...
 
@atlantiza wait we already have the anime and manga tags in place for this pupose
 
@Alenanno sometimes the anime version of a manga is significantly different, so people want to know what's different without reading/watching both. and the same can happen if there is a movie version and a TV version of a story.
@grasshopper when I looked up the manga tag it said you should only use it for questions specific to the manga version...
 
So you want a tag about those comparisons (two tags) or 4 tags, one for each of those things?
 
4:47 PM
@grasshopper but, regardless, I think it needs a more specific tag than just "manga"
@Alenanno preferably one tag for all comparisons imo, unless others think differently
 
@atlantiza a "variations" tag may be applied to discuss differences between a series, i.e FMA and FMA:Brotherhood as in "full-metal-alchemist" "variations"
 
@atlantiza Ok. :)
 
Yey! First with edit privilege!
 
congrats :)
 
@MadaraUchiha gratz
 
4:54 PM
=)
 
Congratulations. :P
 

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