@Draco18s Why? wouldn't it always think it's lost and got straight like lost ants do

Oh, yes, you're correct :)

I somehow forgot that

@ppperry who would assume that

I don't know, but it's normally not unreasonable

@Draco18s What would black hole do on all yellow?

@ppperry there's a bot idea :p

probably bad things

@dzaima how

it would be semi-random as it tries to clear out the yellow and find a path, but it would never succeed

@ppperry randomly don't collect food but color below them to confuse others

that would be disqualified for not trying to win

oh

possible

I won't do it

What would wildfre do on all red?

@ppperry also why would it get disqualified for not trying to win? disqualifying others is a valid winning strategy :p

i guess

still, it wouldn't work

because people would edit their ants to not get disqualified

@ppperry yeah, and most are already immune from invalid moves

true

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@Draco18s Have you found out how to fix black hole yet?

Not working on it

probably won't mess with it until tomorrow

ok

@Draco18s If you forked before I optimised then the seed won't give the same outcome - it uses fewer random numbers for set up now. Otherwise I can't see why it would be different. As mentioned, I'm likely to change the seeded random so that each player has their own seed, and their behaviour only deviates when they meet another player for the first time. There are other things higher up the priority list, but if lots of people want this I can move it up the list.

/me nod nod

I won't look too much into why they're different for now, since mine's going to be changed anyway

@dzaima If you or anyone else wants the separate RNG per player to be prioritised just let me know

@trichoplax it'd be pretty useful, but whether to prioritise it needs knowing what's currently prioritised above it

@trichoplax Sure, sure. I still need to merge things anyway. I can always merge again later after you do the seed thing

@dzaima I guess I could do with using issues on GitHub instead of my own personal list, so others can comment on what's more important

wow, the task of bug hunting is growing again

The top of the list are currently things for me: keeping the buttons disabled until all the players have finished loading, so I don't get errors when the page load is slower than usual; confirmation before page refresh so I don't accidentally lose a tournament; Adding a console accessible function to dump the html for a modified leaderboard table to make updating the post easier

Glider disqualified TypeError: view[ret.cell] is undefined input: [{"color":1,"food":0,"ant":null},{"color":1,"food":0,"ant":null},{"color":1,"fo‌​od":0,"ant":null},{"color":1,"food":0,"ant":null},{"color":3,"food":0,"ant":{"foo‌​d":1,"type":5,"friend":true}},{"color":1,"food":0,"ant":null},{"color":2,"food":0‌​,"ant":null},{"color":1,"food":0,"ant":null},{"color":1,"food":0,"ant":null}]

@ppperry I'd say 90% of the time it has taken me to make my bot is bug hunting

If anyone wants to add issues direct to GitHub, please feel free

@dzaima More meaningful error messages is fairly high up the list too

@trichoplax oooh

Glider I'm still fixing :V

Things that hold up generating a leaderboard have been the top priority, but most of that's done now

most of the errors are my program having wrong arguments passed to functions so don't know what could help (but adding the stacktrace in the HTML could be useful)

Stack trace is not always helpful. But yeah, that'd be coo

It's nice to have it for the times it is. Added to the list

Error: blah blah, <anonymous>, from eval()

Sure, worth doing, I just know I've seen a few where I see it and go "damn it, that's useless"

@Draco18s at least in chrome it shows the line number (+1 because function wrap) which has helped me a lot

I'm in chrome

atleastcurrently

@Draco18s huh

I don't have an error message handy, one second...

at Object.eval (eval at antFunctionMaker (ant-qoth.js:269), <anonymous>:85:1) (notice the 85, that's the line where I caused the error)

oh hey, it actually does have a line number that's accurate.

Somehow I missed it

huh thought that firefox didn't show the line numbers.. I switched to chrome for this because of it

They both do for me

I haven't checked in FF lately

I just don't recall seeing it

anyway, I think Glider will finally not throw errors

An advantage of running the controller in a separate page rather than as a Stack Snippet which would have the JS all condensed into a single line...

heh

Well...

It didn't get disqualified...

which ant is that

testing how my repairer does with others around, something ate a piece of the rail, but its getting repaired

and why are so many of the workers laden

The queen in the center (black/purple/yellow/blue) is Glider

The other ants are Pierce

<off-topic> Yay, erasers, keep devouring the hole </offtopic>

oh.. trail eraser is eating it 1-by-1, and it's getting repaired at the same speed :p

Yep

not what I meant

or are you talking about the black hole in the distance

@dzaima what if there are two erasers, one on each rail

@ppperry then the repairer won't be able to keep up, and then idk

if trail-eraser crosses the rails with enough food, it will release four workers

one on each direction on each rail

@ppperry well I'll just hope that doesn't happen too often

Is that your new one or Medusa meeting Ziggurat...?

@ppperry trail-eraser hit my queen, and as expected, nothing happens (or well it erases one square and the queen replaces it)

yah

that's trail-eraser's weakness

it can't beat an ant that doesn nothing but paint

the repairer just walked around the queen and left it there helplessly repairing the damage lol

The controller will now confirm before reloading if you accidentally press refresh.

@trichoplax my favourite "feature" of Draco18s controller is that abandoning doesn't popup ask for abandoning as very often I need to just restart the game because of some deployment mechanic changes

I don't quite follow

Oh you mean the "Abandon game" button

yeah

I was thinking of refreshing the page

@trichoplax yeah that I agree with

would a save/load state system for the whole map be possible?

You mean you prefer not having a confirmation because the majority of times you use it is not accidental? Maybe we need a checkbox for whether there should be a confirmation, but I'm wary of too many options...

@dzaima Certainly possible, it's just deciding what to prioritise

Anyone is welcome to fork and try out whatever they like in the meantime

@trichoplax I'm totally fine with your controller having that popup because I think of yours more as a testing/tournament controller and dracos as a bot making controller

Ah I see. So no pop up on the developer version but a pop up on the tournament version

rip there are now 3 trail-erasers on the rail, my bot's going down soon :/

ok

trail-erasers can win

but only if there is more than one of them

probably true of ziggaraut and to a lesser extent black hole too

@dzaima if you were clever, you would start from scratch

when the trail-erasers reach you

after all, only one can follow the diagonal trails you presumably make in the food-gathering phase

@ppperry the queen did start from scratch, but only after it lost sense of where she should be. I can't think of a way to make it restart when trail-erasers invade but not some other passive line creator/eraser

oh

so your bot did recover

presumably one eraser tailed you

but you already said that it can handle one eraser

I like how trail-eraser sometimes camps near forensic ants' sentinel ant and in one case stole a food from their queen

gotta continue working on my bot not just looking at it failing lol

but yeah I expect it to be in the bottom 1⁄3 of the leaderboard :/

I wonder if I should connect the 2 rails together, as it's possible that it'd confuse the trail-eaters and make the repairer able to somewhat handle the damage

maybe

although trail-erasers cant get lost between the rails

so they should still make it most of the time

18000 moves in both Ziggurat and vampire combined have only 4 food (and vampire has 27 workers)

how does vampire produce 27 workers

@Dave

oh the vampire queen wandered off from ziggurat, leaving its queen surrounded in the workers

oh

Zigurrat has 96 workers

er, 96 Type 1 and another 84 Type 2

er, what?

Well, ziggaraut should onlt prioduce two type 1s

Should, I agree

It did get hit by both a trail eraser and vampire. The Eraser's queen would have run into the Zig queen, if not for a vampire worker

Oh, no, that's an eraser worker, not the queen

eraser queens don't erase trails

they draw green straight lines and gather fopd

I was misreading the zoom, that's all

Still, 180 food spent on workers. That's a LOT of food.

It's a bug

being confused by some other ant made it spend all its food

also vampire'd

but yes

I guess the vampire didn't get the 180 food

It got some, but Pierce was top. Didn't screenshot, but Pierce only had ~68

Black Hole and Glilder were middle of the pack with ~25

how did trail-eraser do

I forget

It has an overall tournament score of 22 (3 games)

Vampire is 4 points

not too bad

Pierce has 43 :p

even with the change to hoard at nine

trail-eraser is happy with being not on top

heh

@Draco18s Hey! I know those long straight colourful lines!

Hehe

Explorer does a lot better than anticipated, mostly thanks to the fact that Trail eraser can eat some of its lines and it still works as well as it did before, just will a slower income of food.

coo

@Draco18s just been reading about git merging. Sounds like you will only need to resolve conflicts if there are any, otherwise git will automatically apply all my changes to your files without problem. This page seemed helpful and straightforward

I'll check it out