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4:41 AM

@ungestaltbar 6th...

5:34 AM

So, basically view never connects to controllers or vice-versa?

right

You can also have view-models between your model and view layers too

depends on the complexity of your app...

this is very helpful

@Sisir Try playing around with the Laravel framework as a standalone and get some experience there... you will learn a lot quickly.

5:40 AM

I was thinking to work with raw PHP only. Long time ago I was learning PHP then one day I start playing with WP. Now here we are..

WP will fuck your mind up as a developer... it's like saying jQuery is a language. No its not.

5:53 AM

@Sisir The View can update the Controller with a new status, but it doesn’t get data from it.

@toscho not according some I've argued with... apparently it can - L O L.

What the sitepoint article doesn’t mention: one controller can handle multiple views. It has to knwo when to call which view, and that information must come from the views

the request/route.

well, no, I mean something different.

Hard to explain in a chat window :)

explain your example so we don't confuse the two concepts

6:02 AM

One view can draw just the settings page frame: <form action …>, nonce, submit button. It doesn’t show the actual form field content, but it calls $this->controller->update( 'content' ); instead, and the controller calls the the next view(s) to create the form input fields.

yeah

ok now i get you

You have to separate the form input view classes from the settings page view class, because both should be reusable.

a little more work but if your app calls for it and is complex worth it in long run

For a more complex app, you don’t implement the update() in the controller; you use a mediator instead and let the controller register the view method to certain events.

like add_action(), but in OOP.

you both lost me, so, I will stick with basics for now..

Power interruption all morning :/ sometime I really have urge to get out of this country!

6:17 AM

or surge to get out...

why dont you leave? family? wife? other?

add_action( 'wp_head', 'disable_things', 20 );

6:31 AM

I’m having a conversation with a Chinese company. They write in English, but they add an automated German translation to each mail. The result is a mix of weird, overly devote or unfinished sentences. So much fun.

So they may as well have been writing in Chinese.

7:09 AM

MVC on saturday morning? you people are unreal... :)

2 hours later…

8:56 AM

I MVC when I wake up and MVC just before I go bed, you know like you're supposed to brush your teeth.

you must be an expert on it then. write a blog post about that everyone will disagree with.

That's exactly what I want. To write something that no one will ever really agree upon. I have enough architectural debates with my current boss as it is... :)

spice of life

or toxic sludge of life

haha yeah latter sometimes

ungestaltbar

everyone agrees with jquery, and there are objects too.

9:04 AM

on current project I can architecture whatever I want, so it's all my fault too :)

@ungestaltbar meta-objects :)

@Rarst I bet you argue with yourself.

there was an interface tab in the initial spec, which called for Design_Tab class. now there are two tabs in interface, controlled by Design_Tab class.

ungestaltbar

sleepless Rarst, lost in endless discussion with himself

Do you Interface?