@J.Musser - I see you pinged me at a mention of my name to Sue - to advise you how I 'found' this site, it was my youngest son - I was moaning about gardening websites (I belong to a few) always droning on about totally non gardening stuff and it ending up in a row, and he pointed me here (he's a techie, of course) because he knew there was a gardening section.

@Sue - thanks for the cup of tea remark! And I think women do speak a great deal more than men, or have a lot to say, particularly face to face. See my remark to J. Musser as to how I found this site... and there's a funny story about that. My other son didn't know I belonged to Stack Exchange, but knew about the site because he's a techie too - you should have seen his face two Christmases ago when I came downstairs wearing my Stack Exchange tshirt and told him I'd won it (which I had).

@Sue - he hadn't realised there was a GL section, and so thought I'd won it for something technical, which, knowing me as he does, is absolutely risible...

@Bamboo Ah! I see, interesting.

I think most young people are techies anymore :P

@J.Musser - well yea, generically cos they've grown up with it all, but my second son is a bit of a star in mobile (cell toyou I think) internet and apps, written some well known stuff, and the older one is what used to be called a webmaster of some sort, I don't understand any of it really

@Bamboo haha.

spam for you, @Niall: diy.stackexchange.com/questions/10218/…

@J.Musser Thanks! Your Tavern posse had taken care of the post by the time I got there, but I got to nuke the user.

@NiallC. cool!