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1:45 AM
@AndrewGrimm same, in informal speech I'm fine with it so long as it's not overdone.
 
2:00 AM
one phrase which I use all the time but didn't realize was Australian was "no worries"
 
2:11 AM
@cypher how often do Japanese people come to Australia to get the hang of English, versus other countries?
 
@AndrewGrimm no idea sorry :P
I've noticed a few Japanese people using the word オージー to mean "Aussie" though, I wonder if it's become a common word in Japan?
 
@cypher I've heard オージー・ビーフ somewhere.
 
 
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5:09 AM
@cypher Ah yes when I go to a supermarket, I see 「オージービーフ」as well as 「豪州産」「オーストラリア産」 at the meat counter t3.gstatic.com/… and I sometimes see オージービーフ written on the menu at a steakhouse rasinban-za.com/12010004_yebisu.jpg
I have seen many people say オージーイングリッシュ for オーストラリア(の)英語 on Yahoo Answers Japan(知恵袋)
 
6:08 AM
I've been summoned?
 
Different room perhaps?
 
nope. this room. but not necessarily now (I'm not logged 24/7)
oddly enough, SE tells me i've been invited, but doesn't tell me the context
anyway...
 
Apparently there's some friction between sawa and you.
 
Apparently so. SE got confused and sent me here.
 
6:16 AM
Oh wait,
I asked about calendar dates
 
as for friction... friction would require a modicum of reciprocity...
as it is, I'm more tired of the ongoing JLU BS than anything...
 
7 hours ago, by Andrew Grimm
@Dave Is it always the Western calendar year, or is it sometimes a Japanese era year?
 
@AndrewGrimm, it varies
The generally recognized format in Japan is year/month/day
quoting wikipedia, "sometimes Japanese era year is used, e.g. 平成18年12月30日"
 
if japanese era is used, Japanese era is written. simple enough.
 
If they don't insert the kanji, and just have XX.YY.ZZ, does that mean that it's western calendar?
 
6:25 AM
I would think so, yes.
 
You can probably guess from the year
At least, for another decade or so
If they just had XX.YY.ZZ, how would they indicate which era it was?
 
@Troyen Hope that it's from the current era?
 
I guess it depends on context
 
do we really have to explain why that would be a stupid idea?
obviously, you don't want people to have to guess dates based on context all the time.
doubly so, when there are 2 or 3 possible eras for any given date
therefore, you pretty much always prefix era-based dates by their era.
 
When you're buying a food omiyagi from a shop, it's pretty obvious it's from the current era.
omiyage
 
6:29 AM
since on top of that, this would immediately make your date useless for any export, and not particularly better for the domestic market. why in the world would you do it?
I get that some things in Japan do not easily make sense from a foreign point of view... but can we still assume that Japanese are not completely crazy?
 
Whatever.
 
 
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8:03 AM
@Dave bonk (be nice)
@Dave granted... dates are completely screwed for export anyways, so I'm not sure that makes much difference
 
8:58 AM
Does rendaku occur on 玉 in グラス玉?
 
「だま」になりますね~「ガラス玉[がらすだま]」とか。
 
Based the rules from here and here, I think there's no prohibition of rendaku.
「グラスだま」と「グラスたま」どちらもいい?
 
「がらすだま」っていいます。「がらすたま」って、言わないなぁ~
But we say まがたま not まがだま. きんたま not きんだま (きゃ、失敬!)
ぱちんこだま、びーだま、しゃぼんだま・・・
かたかなだと、「だま」??へんなの。
みずたま, not みずだま(水玉)...
あ、でも、めだま(目玉)!
 
9:14 AM
I think it's because the mora directly preceding たま is voiced already.
 
みずたま、ず→た
まがたま、が→た
きんたま、ん→た

がらすだま、す→だ
めだま、め→だ
ぱちんこだま、こ→だ
 
きんたま、ん→た。でも、シャボンだま、ん→だ。
 
あれ?ほんとだ
 
「シャボン」は外来語なの為でしょうか
 
わからへん~
「ガラス」もだし。
あ、いいんだ
(こんがらがった)
 
9:28 AM
How is だし used in 「ガラス」もだし?
 
「だ」=です、
「し」=(理由)。「から。」
 
Ah, I didn't know of this し.
「出し」と思ったんだ
 
「ガラスもですから」(polite)>>「がらすもですし」>>「ガラスもだから>> 「ガラスもだし」(colloquial)
「しらたま」「いちえんだま」「あめだま」・・・
「くすだま」、「ボールだま」
 
9:43 AM
I shall be going off to practice a piano piece
I'm still on page 1 though...
 
わ、難しそう
きんたま、but いちえんだま?Hmm
がんばってね~
 
 
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11:42 AM
I didn't take any photos of the caramel I bought at Sapporo TV tower. I could have sworn it had YY.MM.DD using era years without any kanji. ><
 
 
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1:06 PM
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E8%B3%9E%E5%91%B3%E6%9C%9F%E9%99%90&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ehIhUPiUKYaOmQX1kIGgBg&ved=0CEsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1241&bih=606
これはどうでしょうか
 
@Chocolate, can you help me with that?
「これはどうでしょうか」
So これは - "As for this", どうでしょうか - I know どう is how but when attached to でしょうか what does it become?
Would it be like, "how is this?"
 
は~い、「でしょうか」 is politer than ですか.
 
Hmm, doesn't でしょう suggest a little uncertainty?
 
Ah, yes,
So maybe this is why it sounds a bit politer.
 
Perhaps :)
I can't believe I broke down a sentence
and got it figured.
 
1:12 PM
Yay~
 
:)
I want to learn more
 
教科書を使っているのですか?
(教科書=きょうかしょ/textbook)
 
I'm not ssure what the sentence means..
 
教科書、textbook, を=object,
使っている=progressive form of 使う, to use
のですか? question
progressive form = ~~ている,~~ています
 
but there is no を in that sentence?
 
1:21 PM
教科書を.
 
Oops!
 
へへへ
 
I am not using a textbook, if thats what it is asking.
that's*
 
Ah I see. I thought you were learning Japanese in 学校。
 
No. いえで日本語を勉強しています。
 
1:24 PM
そうなんだ~
 
:)
What textbook would you suggest?
 
Ah~~ actually I don't know anything about 日本語の教科書。。。
I've heard of Tae Kim, Japanese for busy people(?),
 
have you seen the resources thread? (meta.japanese.stackexchange.com/a/766/796)
 
Ah yes it's very 便利!
 
I haven't used any of those textbooks, so I don't know what they're like tho
 
1:26 PM
I added the thread to my favorites
 
Tae Kim is a free online course which might be worth looking at (guidetojapanese.org/learn)
 
おはようございます
 
おは~
 
こんばんは!
 
@silvermaple, おはよう!
Do you know of any recommended textbooks, @silvermaple?
 
1:31 PM
@Chocolate 留学していた大学には、大学生のみんなは「お疲れ」ってあいさつした。朝でも、昼でも。起きたから何もしたいなかったままwwwww
@Shazer2 I used Genki in my class
Have you looked at that?
 
Alright!
I wil look
I will*
 
The problem with textbooks, which I just found out myself, is that sometimes they assume you have a class to work with, and teachers to correct you
 
I guess. :/
It would help, nonetheless.
 
I bought a textbook a while ago that I thought might help me, but I was really going over it yesterday, and it's too classroom-oriented to help me
Progressing from intermediate to Advanced Japanese, or something like that
 
I worked through most of Genki without the class, I think it worked really well.
 
1:34 PM
Oh nice :)
Yeah, I can see that because genki does a good job explaining all the grammar points
 
Though it did have a lot of group and class exercises which I simply had to skip, or act schitzofrenic which of course would work too. (but not be very fun perhaps)
 
I can't find one on eBay.
 
australian ebay?
 
@gibbon Or even more fun
 
Yes
 
1:36 PM
@silvermaple with a decent imagination perhaps :)
 
I found one, but it is $100.
 
LOL
I would prefer a hard copy, not gonna lie.
 
What about amazon?
 
And also, that's 500MB. :P
About $50 on Amazon
 
1:38 PM
/shrug, they're substantial books
 
yeah.. make sure to get the answer key and workbook as well.
 
Oh wow, yeah, new addition, but that's the one
 
Alright! :)
First comment says buy on Japanese Amazon, it will be cheaper.
 
Is it bad that I already miss the characters in that book? :)
 
1:40 PM
What?! :P
I really want one..
It's like $6 cheaper from JP site. -_-
 
@gibbon Ha! Not at all! Those guys are my fam
 
@Shazer2 yeah, but postage from JP amazon can be pretty expensive, a lot of the time 50%+ of the order total or something
 
Ah, I need to find one.
I suck at finding stuff online.
Someone find me a copy in Australia. :)
 
@silvermaple what did you do after finishing Genki?
@Shazer2 what's wrong with Amazon?
 
Is there any in Australia?
 
1:48 PM
They ship worldwide
..and yes, I think there's an aussie one.
 
to be honest, it'd probably be cheaper online from Amazon
 
Ok no aussie one..
 
:'(
Do you think, Genki is effective and worth the money?
 
Personal opinion, I definitely think so.
 
:)
Alright
 
1:50 PM
I'd say so too
When I was in class I thought I had a great teacher because I learned so much. Then we progressed past Genki II, and I realized that my teacher was awful unless he was teaching out of it
 
:) What material did you guys use after Genki2?
 
I had another teacher for another subject who thought teaching out of a textbook meant to re-read what we had just read for homework in class. Also not helpful. I had her in other classes and she was a good teacher for that, but that one class...
That's just me rambling
@gibbon We...talked about what my teacher wanted to talk about, we watched some Drama episodes and and to transcribe some scenes for homework
 
oh :o
 
We read books in class, and that was a whole failed experiment on my teacher's part and I could get into it, but suffice to say I learned more that year from watching J-drama then from going to class
Also, my teacher had favorites and wasn't subtle about it, which, among other things just made me hate learning Japanese for a while
 
Only thing with books is, I can't look up a kanji, if I don't know it
 
1:56 PM
HA! Ok, you havn't gotten the kanji learner's dictionary, have you?
 
@Shazer2 Genki will ease you into it, nothing to worry about.
 
Also, if you can type in Japanese, you'll find an IME Pad, where you can write them out using your mouse and look it up that way (via google translate, or what-have-you)
 
True.. I need to get this book
 
I own many dictionaries, of all kinds, and that was the single most used one of all, during my university education
 
Nice! :D
Well, おやすみ!
I shall look more into this tomorrow
 
1:58 PM
Excellent
おやすみ!
 
おやすみ~
おつかれ~
flockdraw.com/74qo6x これ、見えます?
 
あっ、見えた
 
誰か落書きしてる!wwwww
 
おもしろい~
 
2:15 PM
ワロた~
 
楽しかった
 
幼稚園みたい!wwww
うんこ書いちゃった!
 
wwwwww
 
I must admit I've never understood this w thing.. I know it's like "haha" but why?
 
「笑う」の頭文字, w in "warau", ・・・らしいです。
 
Ah.. thanks :)
 
Well, I must be off! じゃね!
 
またね!
 
またね~
 

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