Japanese Language

Anonymous

1:12 AM

@Ailurus It seems nice :-) Maybe the only thing that seems out of place is より、ほう at the end

Anonymous

3:21 AM

忘れれれば is hard to say.

Anonymous

But the more I repeat it, the more fun it is :-)

Anonymous

ら抜き is supposed to be more common with negatives, right?

Tim

3:43 AM

@snailboat Hmm. 忘れる→忘れないー＞忘れられるー＞ラ抜き：忘れれれば

？忘れられば feels right...but now I must question what I say out of habit..

Habit found and corrected. now why do you say
ら抜き is more common with negatives?

Anonymous

@Tim Wouldn't it be 忘れられれば?

Anonymous

3:58 AM

For 五段動詞, you attach 〜ば to the 仮定形 which ends in an エ段 kana (話す　→　話せ　→　話せば), and for 一段動詞, you attach 〜れば to the 仮定形 which of course is the same as the 語幹 (忘れられる　→　忘れられ　→　忘れられれば)

Anonymous

Or if I can use rōmaji: it's -(r)eba. 話せば hanas-eba, 忘れられれば wasure-rare-reba

Anonymous

@Tim I think it's something I read once, but I don't think I took notes on it and I don't recall where I read it, unfortunately!

Anonymous

I think that ら抜き is also supposed to be less common with longer verbs, so you'd be less likely to hear something like 忘れれれば…

Anonymous

But it's fun to say :-)

Anonymous

4:20 AM

This answer confused me:

Anonymous

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A: Is こればよかった correct or not?

こればよかった is most certainly the ら抜き言葉 for こらればよかった. So it's not a miss for the 仮定形 of 来る, it's actually the 仮定形 of the potential form of 来る (but ranuki kotoba aren't permitted in jlpt, I guess). The point is you shouldn't use tanos list: they're full of mistakes (take n5 level kanji list and see ...

Choko

5:07 AM

へえ・・・potentialは「こらればよかった」じゃなくて「こられればよかった」じゃないかな

ら抜きなら・・・

「これればよかった」になるのでは・・・

「忘れられれば」が、ら抜きになると？

「忘れられたら」は、ら抜きになると『忘れれたら』かな・・

じゃあ、忘れられれば、は・・忘れれれば？？かな？

だって、「らぬき」だから、「ら」を抜くんだもんねぇ・・・

Anonymous

5:45 AM

@Choko People don't actually say 忘れれれば very often, do they?

Anonymous

I think I read that ら抜き is most common with short verbs (2 and 3 mora) and with negatives

Anonymous

But I don't have enough experience talking to people to know

Anonymous

I wonder where I was reading about that... I didn't take notes so I don't know :-(

非回答者

That answer is so 的外れ.

Incorrect on multiple counts.

非回答者

10:11 AM

Though I know I am not the one being asked, no one says 忘れれれば. It is not a matter of how often it is said. That form does not exist in the first place.

gibbon

2:06 PM

hmm where has the meta gone?

Anonymous

3:09 PM

I was thinking ら抜き sounded silly with any 〜れる verb :-)

Anonymous

@gibbon I think it's still there! :-) Are you commenting on how little used our meta site is?

Tim

5:02 PM

@snailboat Yes but as indicated by 非-san, it seems the ra-nuki form is not necessarily used for some verbs/forms, 忘れれれば is an example that does not feel natural, even harder to say.

Anonymous

@Tim Hehe, it does sound silly :-)

Anonymous

But my comment toward you was about 忘れられば (which you wrote) versus 忘れられれば (which I wrote)

Tim

5:21 PM

Yes - 忘れれれば felt wrong but as i thought about it, I wondered if I was practising some kind of re-nuki and not getting picked up because the meaning was clear (or at least those words' meaning was clear - the rest of the sentences spoken might not be but that is another problem)

Anonymous

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Q: What's is a Togi yoru

So i try to read manga in japanese and i don't understand that : 伽夜 Can someone explain me please. Thanks in advance. o/ [edit] : A : でもこんな時代だからこそ. A : 限り有る"生"をより豊かに享受する為に趣味には正直でないと A : ね.伽夜. B : なんでそこで私に振るよ. A : まなまたそんなこと言って伽夜にもご立派な趣味があるんじゃないの. B : そっそんなものないもん.

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Anonymous

Who wants to explain it to them? :-)

Anonymous

Honestly, if they don't even know how furigana work, they should probably be reading something much easier

Anonymous

ssb answered the question! I decided to leave a comment

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