Japanese Language

jlptn1

12:03 AM

I don't understand why daijirin has 「人が何か云ふと，ちやんと逃道を拵らへて待つてるんだから，余つ程―だ」〈坊っちゃん漱石〉 next to it

oh, I didn't see the ー at the end where it goes

I forgot how to use dictionaries :(

Anonymous

I've never been a big fan of ―

Anonymous

I like 〜

jlptn1

12:20 AM

me too~

Anonymous

イェーイ〜♪

Anonymous

1:34 AM

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Q: _っ_り form adverbs

I keep seeing these onomatopoeic adverbs popping up with the form: _っ_り. Some examples include ぐっすり、ぴったり、すっくり、etc…. Is there a name for these adverbs, and why are they in this specific form?

Anonymous

I see a snail _っ_り

Anonymous

→ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_grammar#Adverbs

Anonymous

Conflating category and function . . .

Darius Jahandarie

Huh: "the particle to 'as if' is used". I've never seen that gloss for that と.

Anonymous

Martin breaks the morphological shape of Japanese adverbs into 7 categories

Anonymous

1:49 AM

He doesn't give a name for ◯っ◯り though

Anonymous

It's just group 2

Anonymous

Martin calls the adverbial と the subjective essive

Anonymous

Versus に, which he calls the objective essive (or copula infinitive)

Anonymous

I think certain linguists consider both に and と to be copula forms with different characters

Anonymous

I don't think essive ever caught on as a label, since I've only ever seen Martin use it for this form

Anonymous

1:51 AM

But then, Martin has his own terminological universe

ssb

2:48 AM

@snailboat or 大好物

Anonymous

I didn't notice how similar 好物 and 奸物 appeared until you pointed it out!

Darius Jahandarie

3:06 AM

奸物の好物は干物。

好物と女物、奸物が持つ？

It's annoying that neither 干物 or 女物 are pronounced correctly for these to actually work.

Darius Jahandarie

4:27 AM

Ah, that was a silly answer. :)

Rilakkuma

4:42 AM

is it just me who sees 干物女 there?

Anonymous

6:36 AM

すっくり→すっきり I assume? — ssb 4 hours ago

Anonymous

@ssb You're probably right, but there's also すっかり, of course！

Anonymous

I guess for the purposes of the question it doesn't really matter which one it's changed to, since they're just asking about them in general

Anonymous

So I'll edit it to say すっきり

Anonymous

7:40 AM

The latest question is cross-posted, for anyone considering answering:

Anonymous

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140919121057AARVIv4

Anonymous

I found the question trying to find what the lyrics were from

Choko

8:03 AM

@snailboat そっくりかな、と思った

でも、そっくり、って、ちょっと違う感じ・・・

@snailboat おお・・・

奸物　ええと・・・

かんぶつ？かな

ssb

8:18 AM

@Choko do you know what 出張修理 is?

is that where they come to you and fix something?

Choko

@ssb 冷蔵庫とか、大きいものって、電気屋さんに修理に持っていけないので

来てもらうねん。

ssb

thanks!

Choko

(何か壊れたのね・・・)

(出張料金がアホみたいにかからなければいいけど・・・)

@snailboat どっちの「よう」だと思う？

「よう　at the end of the sentences」って書いてあるので、

「ただよう」の「よう」だったりして・・・

Anonymous

8:38 AM

Oh! Hello!

Anonymous

I don't know . . . maybe they're asking about both

ssb

@Choko my midi keyboard isn't working right :(

Anonymous

@ssb Nooo

Anonymous

I'm practicing guitar . . . :-)

ssb

This is my third one that isn't working right

progressively getting more expensive in the hope that better components will mean they will work right

Anonymous

8:39 AM

My MIDI keyboard's from the 90s

ssb

I'm convinced at this point that I just have terrible luck

Anonymous

It's one of these

Anonymous

Anonymous

PC88MX

ssb

oh hey

it even has onboard sounds

Anonymous

8:41 AM

It's pretty sturdy!

Anonymous

Oh, it does, yes!

ssb

the mod wheel is broken on mine

Anonymous

You can just get another mod wheel and hook it up

ssb

well, it's still under warranty so I just have to bring it to a nearby music store and they'll send it in for repairs for me

for free

Anonymous

Ohh :-)

Anonymous

8:43 AM

Yay

Choko

保障期間内でよかった

しかし、壊れんの早すぎ

ssb

the one I got before this was broken before 1 month

so I just returned it

Anonymous

Ohh, oops, I guess it wouldn't make sense for them to talk about ただよう there since よう is part of the verb

Anonymous

@ssb Sad!!

Choko

なんとゆう・・・日本製も地に落ちたな

(日本製じゃないかもしれないけど)

Anonymous

8:46 AM

Is it a Yamaha?

ssb

The first one was an M-Audio Oxygen 61

that lasted a while before it started sending a bunch of random midi data

Anonymous

Ohh, one of those little controller keyboards!

ssb

then I got an M-Audio Axiom Air 61

Anonymous

American!

ssb

that worked pretty well for a few weeks but it has issues with the entire keyboard freezing

so I sent it back

third and current one is a Novation Impulse 61

I think Novation is in the UK

Anonymous

8:48 AM

Anonymous

I like that! :-)

Anonymous

Too bad it broke, though

Anonymous

Before my Kurzweil, I had an Alesis QS6

ssb

I'm fed up with MIDI controllers at this point

Anonymous

But I wanted fully-weighted piano keys

ssb

8:50 AM

this Novation one has semi-weighted keys which I really like

Anonymous

The keyboard of my dreams right now . . .

Anonymous

ssb

Ahh yeah

that's a full synthesizer though, isn't it?

Anonymous

The little brown saddle-looking thingy is a pitch ribbon, which is way more natural than a pitch wheel

Anonymous

Oh, sure, I want a stage piano

Anonymous

8:52 AM

I do already have a Nord Electro 2 and a Nord Lead 3

ssb

I've never had a hardware synth

Anonymous

I suppose I wouldn't need the Electro 2 anymore

Anonymous

So I could sell that

Anonymous

But it's too expensive

Anonymous

Even if I sold the Electro and my old piano

ssb

8:54 AM

wow!

that is a lot

Anonymous

ssb

Actually I was just debating buying a smaller Alesis QX25..

Anonymous

Nords are so pretty, too, with that bright red paint

Anonymous

Oh, wow, the QX25 is tiny!!

Anonymous

Two octaves

ssb

8:56 AM

I want something little I can keep on my desk to noodle around on

Anonymous

To come up with melodies and stuff?

ssb

right

Anonymous

I come up with melodies on my guitar

ssb

or recording simple things where I don't need multiple octaves

Anonymous

I find it's a little bit easier to make a guitar "sing"

Choko

8:57 AM

作曲すんの・・・？

ssb

@Choko yeah!

Choko

すご～

ssb

@snailboat I have all kinds of different things I use to get inspiration

sampled or otherwise

@Choko My secondary goal in life is to be a professional composer

Anonymous

Ahh :-)

ssb

probably for games

Anonymous

8:59 AM

Well, I'm a terrible musician . . . :-)

Anonymous

But I like to play music, so it's okay, I do it anyway!

ssb

you don't have to be a prodigy to have fun playing music!

Choko

(お金かかるけどね・・・)

小さいときから、お年玉をためて・・・

貯金がたまってて・・・・

ある日、お母さんが、その貯金通帳を持っていって・・・

Anonymous

My grandmother had a keyboard collection, organs and pianos and the like

Choko

バイオリンをくれた。

貯金は、ゼロ円になった。

泣いたわｗｗｗ

Anonymous

9:03 AM

But growing up, I learned to play on really cheap instruments :-)

Anonymous

I got my first nylon-string guitar when I was 8, and it was a $50 guitar

Choko

ごせんえん・・・

安いな

Anonymous

Guitars are cheaper than a lot of instruments.

Anonymous

You can get a good guitar for 〜$1000

Choko

バイオリン高い・・・

Anonymous

9:06 AM

But $1000 doesn't get you a very nice violin . . .

Choko

弓だけでそのくらいです・・・

Anonymous

@ssb I play music every day!

Anonymous

All my life :-)

ssb

I didn't like music until I started playing in middle school

Anonymous

I started in grade school

Anonymous

9:10 AM

I took viola lessons for ten years :-)

Anonymous

I love viola

Anonymous

Instruments are so expensive

Anonymous

You could spend all your money on them if you weren't careful

Anonymous

Choko

びおら？

５弦ある

Anonymous

9:13 AM

Uh-huh! It has a low F string

Anonymous

Or you can string it with a high E string like a violin

Choko

へえ！

Anonymous

Purple!

Choko

こっちの色のほうが落ち着きます

Anonymous

9:15 AM

My electric violin is a deep blue

Choko

一番上の、渦巻きがないんですねえ

あれ、綺麗で好きなんです

Anonymous

But my violin is much cheaper than that viola . . . It's a silent "practice" violin

Choko

でんでんむしみたいな。

Anonymous

Hee

ssb

my problem right now is that I'm spending all my money on sample libraries and midi hardware!

Anonymous

9:19 AM

I think I like the purple viola better

Anonymous

I think it would suit me . . . if I were going to spend that much money . . .

Anonymous

Maybe someday :-)

Anonymous

@ssb Have you used any of the Stillwell plugs?

ssb

Yes, a little

Anonymous

They make a good buss compressor stillwellaudio.com/plugins/bombardier-buss-compressor

ssb

9:20 AM

I'm still pretty terrible at mixing and mastering but I've been trying to learn

Choko

きれい～

と思います

Anonymous

@ssb Try to do a song every day for a few months!

Anonymous

@Choko Oh, I do like the traditional spirally thing. The scroll

Anonymous

Just a moment . . .

Anonymous

9:22 AM

This is the practice violin I have

Choko

バイオリン職人さんに聞くと、渦巻きを、カタツムリや貝の殻みたいに、きれいに作るのは、難しいそうです。自然に作られる渦巻きが一番きれいなんですって。

@snailboat ほそっ！

Anonymous

It's a Yamaha "Silent Violin"

Anonymous

I got it so that my neighbors wouldn't get angry at me for practicing . . . :-)

Anonymous

Thin walls

Anonymous

So it doesn't have a sound box

Anonymous

9:24 AM

The scroll isn't a proper snailly spiral either

Anonymous

Choko

あ、ほんまや

弓は同じものを使うの？松脂も？

松脂って、ロージンだっけ

Rosin

いやいや。。。

Anonymous

Oh I use the same rosin

Choko

resin?

Anonymous

Rosin

Rosin, also called colophony or Greek pitch (Pix græca), is a solid form of resin obtained from pines and some other plants, mostly conifers, produced by heating fresh liquid resin to vaporize the volatile liquid terpene components. It is semi-transparent and varies in color from yellow to black. At room temperature rosin is brittle, but it melts at stove-top temperatures. It chiefly consists of different resin acids, especially abietic acid. The term "colophony" comes from colophonia resina or "resin from the pine trees of Colophon," an ancient Ionic city. == Uses == Rosin is an ingredient in...

Choko

9:27 AM

あら

ほんとだ

Anonymous

I was looking up 松脂 when you said 'rosin' :-)

Anonymous

The dictionary said "(pine) resin"

Anonymous

I guess rosin is a variant of resin: etymonline.com/…

Anonymous

And I have a carbon composite bow for it

Choko

@snailboat そうやねん、それ。私は木のしか持ったことがなかったので

プラスチックの弓、びっくりした

「材木不足なの！？」とか思った

そのうち、毛も、馬の尻尾じゃなくて、

人工的に作られるようになるかも

Anonymous

11:12 AM

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Q: _っ_り form adverbs

I keep seeing these onomatopoeic adverbs popping up with the form: _っ_り. Some examples include ぐっすり、ぴったり、すっきり、etc…. Is there a name for these adverbs, and why are they in this specific form?

words etymology adverbs

Anonymous

I still think this looks like a snail :-)

Anonymous

_っ_り

Choko

12:35 PM

Dec 17 '13 at 6:07, by Tokyo Nagoya

カナで4文字の単語で、二番目が小さい「っ」で、最後が「り」ならその単語は必ず副詞なんだって！おもろっ！

って、前に言ってた

Anonymous

Oh, I remember that now!