@snailboat haha, I'm more intrigued by the spelling: mean't

english-to-japanese should just auto-close

I wonder if this site was recently linked to from somewhere with a lot of traffic from extremely low level learners

it's the gift that keeps on giving!

It is somewhat unusual timing, not the start of a semester, not the start of an anime season (although relatively few of the new questions seem to have that bent...). It's not like we haven't been linked from reddit before...

A question on the "tags" for the dictionary forms. Reading Japanese adding す to the stem denotes causation, and く　denotes performance.. Right?

Can you give an example?

Sure the stem that got me thinking about this is 消える meaning to disappear. but 消す means to erase ( to cause to disappear) I could be reding to much into this though.

ahh... we had a question about this recently...

okay... correction... we've had lots of questions about this, enough to make searching for a good one hard ><

What would the correct search terms for that even be?

@Chris Unfortunately it's not that consistent. You can't count on the other one existing or even being in the same order

hmm ok, I just tried searching "verb pair" and there is a lot for just that

@ssb transitive intransitive

I was just wondering because I would like to read more quickly. If I can simply read the stem and the "use" the tag to determine if the interpretation denotes performance, causation, ad infinitum.

(as that tends to be the comparison... it's not quite accurate, but it shows up in the text a lot)

@Chris I think that if you're just reading, the meaning will be pretty clear in context

and that way you'll probably pick up on the patterns and exceptions naturally anyway

csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/ti_list.html

What would be the difference between 見す　and 　見る？

you can't just switch around the endings like that

Each set of verbs has its own thing going on, it's not as simple as just switching the ending.

@Chris The first doesn't exist in Japanese, the second one does.

However interestingly the 見せる form does still use the 's' sound

Well it was a thought I guess. But its bed time here おやすみなさい

Generally speaking, we study them as seperate words... Note that 消す and 消える don't actually share a base either, pronunciation-wise.

more info on how stuff like that happened

No not pronunciation wise but in translation. Say I want to know what the article is saying and maybe I don't know the pronunciation but I can (hopefully) still translate the sentence using the stem and the connotation in the tag (if such a relationship exists.)

Well I better get to bed.

@Chris Occasionally that will work, but not enough to make a practice of.

> So when I found there are some people asking some Chinese language questions I was surprised. Why do they learn Chinese?

> The reason why I think Chinese language is not good at communicating is Chinese characters are not closely connected to oral sound. The fact that Chinese was used for thousands of years doesn't mean it is good at communicating.

> I found another post said the people who learn Chinese mostly come from Russia. Then I understand.

Hilarious.

Apparently, the quality of JPSE is much better.

It's not the first time I read such posts.

By posts, I mean questions or answers, not comments.

@Chris There was a word めす, which is said to have been derived from 見＋す

Oh, it should be JLSE. まあいい

@Chris that won't help you with 閉める and 閉まる, for example

mean't

へえ

古英語ですか？

いえ

ですよねｗｗｗ

間違った

is it a common mistake?

among non-native speakers, yes

Oh

because lots of words ending nt are contractions, e.g. can't, won't, shan't

Ahh i see

"want" is another often-misapostrophed word

but meant, leant, bent and so on are just verbs

mean't lean't ben't wan't

ありそう～

OTOH, "wont" is also a word without being a contraction (meaning "habitual")

おお

Hi @Choko

@Flaw こんばんは

こんばんは

I'd like to ask how emotionally loaded 会いたい is

おお・・

for example, if I were to (neutrally) say that I'd like to meet you

I often say to my friends　会いたいね～

or また会いたいね

will 会いたい contain more emotion in the sense of "missing" the person, as compared to simply saying "to meet" ?

When I write to my friends or say on the phone 会いたいね/また会いたいね, it's like "we haven't seen each other for so long so let's meet up sometime"

but if you just say 「会いたい」 , it might sound like

you have some kind of romantic feelings,

especially when you say it to someone of the opposite sex

In a business situation you might say お会いしたいです, お会いできますか etc.

So I think it depends on the situation and how you say it, like whether you add ね, です, お~したいです etc.

How would you say "I want to meet on Saturday"? Would one pose it as 「土曜日に会いましょう」, i.e., "let's meet on Saturday"?

@Flaw Oh but we normally don't say さびしい or 恋しい to mean "I miss (someone)"

We normally use 会いたい

@Xeo Yes you'd say like 土曜日に会いましょう、土曜日にお会いしましょう(polite), 土曜日に会おうね(casual) etc

kay

かｙ

actually, how would you convey such a casual "okay" in Japanese? Just 分かった still doesn't seem quite casual enough

おｋ

?

ｊｋ

I think おｋ is Internet slang

Maybe...

あ、そうか

ああ、そっか

that sounds inquiring rather than affirmative? Or maybe that's just the Japanese style. :)

ああ～そうねえ

「ああ、そうか」 is like "Oh I see"

ああ、そうか

;)

@Flaw So I think あいたい can mean more than just "want to meet"

depending on how you say it

ありがとうね

いえいえ

Hi all, sorry to jump in but someone suggested to ask in chat because the question is not very appropriate for Japanese.stackexchange...

I am looking for a pdf version of a Japanese-language RPG, more details here: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/51205/…

anything you can suggest will be welcomed

wow, I hope the students are advanced

@dan - if this was an answer to my question... I have no idea, I am not the teacher ;)

not an answer, just a comment

it just seems like any RPG will require quite a lot of vocabulary

and if the teacher doesn't know how to run one, it's going to be very hard

yeah, I was pertty skeptical myself

she is waiting for a spanish copy of the Five Rings RPG which is not particularly easy in itself

that's why I'd prefer to propose her easier alternatives - I do not speak or read Japanese, so this is the best I could do anyhow

maybe a boardgame would be a better idea, because usually you don't need a huge vocabulary there, but on the other hand if she is looking for a more "improv" type of talk an RPG is a better idea

@p.marino agreed

or maybe a party game like those where you have to draw stuff...

@p.marino taboo would be a tricky foreign-language game

eh eh

well, in a sense "the word that you are not allowed to say" would be easy if you don't even know it for a start...

the real problem is if the people that need to guess it do not know it either ;)

at least it would be easy to adjust for different skills of learners

you could have a deck at the level of apple, blue, cat, dog; and a more advanced one with words like average, bushido, corporation, definition

@snailboat I'm going to ask it on the main site

@Choko it seems that adding a date/time of meeting reduces the romantic aspect

at least that's what it feels like to me

i.imgur.com/fhsnwVm.png 「これくらいで」 whats the grammatical purpose that で has here?