Japanese Language - 2013-05-03

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Anonymous

12:00 AM

Oh, whoops! There were two Marks

Anonymous

It looks like they were asking Mark S. Everitt, not Mark Hosang

Anonymous

I moved the comment over to that one instead.

Anonymous

2:13 AM

「鳥、特に鶏の、子。」　　←　These commas are interesting to me...

Anonymous

3:22 AM

I learned several new kanji today!

Anonymous

孵　フ、かえ・る、かえ・す

.　　卵をたためて雛や子どもにする。かえす。また、
.　　卵が　　　　雛や子どもになる。かえる。

.「孵化」　フカ　　　孵すこと。また、
.　　　　　　　　　　孵ること。

Anonymous

So, I had to learn 雛 too... at least for the word ひな

Anonymous

I also learned to read 儚い today!

Anonymous

I liked one of the example words in the dictionary for 雛. 「鳳雛」（ほうすう）

4:10 AM

when snailplane learns a new kanji I learn a new kanji :)

6 hours later…

10:19 AM

Anyone can tell me what ぱふかな does mean in this sentence?

最初はぱふかな。じゃ、より大声で叫んだ方が？

3 hours later…

1:09 PM

マーク、二人？気付かなかったｗｗ

1:32 PM

リンかけのパンチで一番威力のあるのは何ですか？
What is the most powerful punch(or fighting technique?) in "Ring ni Kakero"?
「大声を出す。
It's shouting/screaming.
威力はあんまし変わらないのに
Even though the two fighters' punches are not very different,
/Although the powers/abilities/techniques of the two fighters are almost the same,
大声を出した方…
the one who shouts louder will win...
誰だ、こんな事言い出したのは。」
Who started this? (Who the heck started saying such a ridiculous thing?)←(knowing it's he himself.)
最初はぱふかな。
Maybe Puff(=パフ, a name of a character?) comes first, I think.

@Seiya Is there a character named "パフ"?

@Seiya I don't know 少年ジェット, but I suppose the program had a "shouting competition" or something. And the author is obviously joking here...

Is there any common word where えい is actually pronounced ei rather than long e?

Ohhh just a sec... えいが、えいせい、けいえい。。。Hmm I can't think of any! あはは

I read them as「えーが、えーせー、けーえー」

Hmmm

魚の「エイ」。

これ。encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/…

hmm

can you think of any others? :D

だよね～「エイ」はちょっとね~~ｗｗｗ

We even read きれいです as きれえです

(How lazy...)

Wiki says, 楽曲ではえ段のあとに「い」が置かれた場合は殆ど「い」と発音される<<???
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%88

What's it talking about? 楽曲？

Oh and it also says 例：「成形」=せいけい→セエケエ=セーケー
ただし、これについては地方差・個人差が大きく、普段「エー」と発音する人でも、ゆっくりした発音では「エイ」となりがちである。

So when we speak slowly, it tends to be エイ... ? Hmm maybe I always read it as エー, because I'm from kansai...

Ohhh this page even says 日本語には、「えい」という発音が、存在しないんです。englishbootcamp.jp/blog/?p=3374

@小太郎毛糸は「けいと」って言います・・「け＋いと」って切れてるから。

いや、「けえと」って言うかな・・・？

ゆっくりいうときは「けいと」で、速く言うと「けえと」。

（たぶん）

3:02 PM

@Chocolate what about 寝息?

おおお！！
〇ねいき　×ねーき

3:14 PM

やっぱり切れてるねえ、ね＋いき...

寝ぼけてた！

wasuretekure~

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Anonymous

6:59 PM

Hehe. 「絵入り」

Anonymous

「いえいえ」

Anonymous

I guess it's like おう＝オー, it mostly happens except when you cross a morpheme boundary

9:09 PM

「子牛」（こうし）とかね。「こ＋うし」だもんね～。

「講師」は「こーし」になるもんねえ。「こう＋し」やし。

Anonymous

9:42 PM

That reminds me... I was reading about the etymology of 駒

Anonymous

「こ＋うま」　→　「こま」！

Anonymous

Sort of...

Anonymous

I guess that originally 馬 was just ま with no う, so it was really こ＋ま

Anonymous

And then ま turned into うま！

Anonymous

gogen-allguide.com/u/uma.html

Anonymous

10:02 PM

I'm trying to cram Japanese vocabulary into my brain @_@

Anonymous

@Chocolate I learned the suffix -がち from this message! :-)

Oh I've already given it up! (about English vocabulary)

wwww

Oh! 馬 is also "ma" in Chinese, so the word うま is also from Chinese? Hmm

Ah yes the page says so

Eww it's from the same origin as German/English "mare"?? 遠いって

ウマすげえ

Horses have been man's best friends for sooo long.

(And how can we eat them... I ate horse meat in 九州... ごめん・・・・)

(And it was sooo yummy... ごめん。。。)

@snailboat そおいえば、「~~がち」の質問が

前に、あったような・・・

あった～　japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/4617/…

Anonymous

10:18 PM

Oh! Thank you, I didn't see that :-)

There're so many comments! 読むのめんどくさいｗｗｗ

Anonymous

I found it in 大辞泉

Anonymous

edict has it too...

Anonymous

勝ち（がち） (suf) (uk) apt to do; liable to do; tend to do (used to describe a negative tendency)

Anonymous

"used to describe a negative tendency"

Anonymous

10:20 PM

I didn't get that feeling from the 大辞泉 definition, though...

So, the がち in ～～しがち(tend to~~) is from 勝ち, but

Anonymous

Oh, that is what the (uk) is supposed to convey in edict. uk = "usually kana", even though it lists it with kanji

Anonymous

(Assuming I guessed the second half of your sentence right :-)

I don't know what the がち dainichi is talking about (as in ガチで？and がちんこ) is from.

Anonymous

I guessed wrong!

Anonymous

10:23 PM

Hmm.

Anonymous

Ah! I didn't read dainichi's answer

Anonymous

I only read sawa's so far

uk=the united kingdom 。。。

ｗｗｗ

Anonymous

Hehe!

Anonymous

That's what I think when I read it in edict.

10:24 PM

だよね～！

usually kana って、気づかないわ～ｗｗｗ

Anonymous

I think I can understand some complicated Japanese. But there's also some simple Japanese I can't understand... I need to keep learning the basics! :-)

Anonymous

I just read a sentence:

Anonymous

「ここまでは上手くいったよ
あと一息…」

Anonymous

Well, I guess it's two sentences.

ここまではうまくいったよ。

Anonymous

10:26 PM

I'm not sure what いった is. ← I'm a beginner! ;-)

もうひといき(だよ)

Anonymous

I can read うまく！　＾＾

行った、

Anonymous

When I first started learning Japanese, I had a hard time with 上手く

Anonymous

I thought it was じょうずく

10:27 PM

うまくいった=went well, smoothly?

Anonymous

Oh!! Here's another funny mistake I made:

Anonymous

I thought 用いる was よういる

Anonymous

Ah!

Yeah~ I think I read it that way when I was in primary school

We didn't know how to read 言葉 when we were 3rd graders

about 9 years old

Anonymous

Ohh

Anonymous

10:30 PM

I didn't start learning Japanese until I was 16 (I think)

時々、意外な言葉を知らなかったり。

Anonymous

I guess I should learn 上手くいく as a phrase

Anonymous

Entry for 行く in 大辞林 http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E8%A1%8C%E3%81%8F&dtype=0&dname=0ss&stype=0&pagenum=1&index=119929400000

［8］物事が進展・実現する。行われる。

こんどの実験はうまく―・った

I read 法然 as ほうぜん, 弘前 as ひろまえ a few years ago and my mom said

「あんた！恥ずかしいわよ！」

Anonymous

Ahh, 読めない！　Hehe

10:34 PM

地名と人名だもんね～。

Anonymous

I should learn them! ほうねん　　ひろさま?

Anonymous

I just learn names at random... hopefully I'll eventually know a bunch of them :-)

ほうねん、yes, and

ひろさき

Anonymous

き

Anonymous

why did I type ま

10:36 PM

in 青森県

Anonymous

Hehe!

Anonymous

My brain substitutes letters at random sometimes. Stupid brain :-)

Yeah ま looks similar to き

Anonymous

I looked them up!

Anonymous

But I wasn't sure if I found the right ones

10:37 PM

Kids often confuse さ and ち

mirror image

Anonymous

I mix up Japanese letters more often than in English, but a lot less often than I used to

Anonymous

I still mix up letters in English on occasion so I don't feel too bad about it :-)

Anonymous

Sometimes I mix up similar-sounding ones instead of similar-looking ones

When I started learning English, p b q d were confusing

Anonymous

I still get confused by old letterforms

10:40 PM

ああ～それはむつかしい！ｗｗ

Anonymous

books.google.com/…

Anonymous

The "long s" looks like an f

Anonymous

fubtractione = subtractione

Anonymous

fuperiori = superiori

Anonymous

Hehe!

Anonymous

10:43 PM

We used to spell "the" as "þe", but people mixed it up with "ye"

よめな～いww

でもかっこいい

Anonymous

so people write "ye olde"

Anonymous

ye = þe = the

the old?

Anonymous

like 'Ye Olde Tanning Salon'

Anonymous

10:44 PM

people add 'ye olde' to make something sound old-fashioned, even though it's not correct

Anonymous

jokingly

þ ←　なんだこりゃ～

:þ

Anonymous

That is thorn, a letter in Old English and Middle English

Anonymous

it is written "th" instead in Modern English

これはいい！

Anonymous

10:44 PM

:þ

nice!!

Anonymous

I like Middle English and Early Modern English :-)

Anonymous

I can't read Old English.

Anonymous

It doesn't look anything like Modern English...

Anonymous

even Early Modern English is hard to read

Anonymous

10:49 PM

Oh, it turns out edict has an entry for 上手くいった

Anonymous

上手くいく（うまくいく） (v5k-s) to go smoothly; to turn out well; to do the trick; to have peaceful relations; (P)

ここまでは, so far, うまくいったよ。で、

Anonymous

"So far, so good!"

もうひといき、もう少しだよ、って感じ

Anonymous

Ahh

Anonymous

10:51 PM

なるほど〜

あと、ちょっと。

ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%82%82%E3%81%86%E4%B8%80%E6%81%AF

one more breathはあかんな・・・

Anonymous

"One more breath" sounds too literal

Anonymous

Oh, if I click over to 例文

Anonymous

ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/…

その下の例文が、いいかも。

Anonymous

10:54 PM

"one more effort" ← that doesn't sound like valid English to me

ああ、それそれ～。

Anonymous

I understand it though!

Anonymous

Can you really say "one more effort"? Hmm...

one more effortおかしい？ww

Anonymous

It's in 研究社新和英中辞典 and 斎藤和英大辞典 both... but it sounds funny to me :-)

10:56 PM

wwww

研究社～～

Anonymous

"we should have own the day" ←　それもおかしいと思う

Anonymous

I have a couple 研究社 dictionaries! :-)

Anonymous

Actually, I have three

wwwww

Oh yes I have 斎藤和英大辞典 at home

Anonymous

I really like Kenkyusha's New Japanese-English Dictionary (5th edition)

Anonymous

10:57 PM

I had the 4th edition, but I gave it away when the 5th came out

Anonymous

It's my favorite J-E dictionary :-)

紙の辞書？

Anonymous

はい！

おおお、大きなの？

Anonymous

It's 2828 pages

Anonymous

10:58 PM

Big pages with small print

Anonymous

It has examples sentences for each use

Anonymous

Often lots of examples.

Anonymous

I usually try to use a 国語辞典 first but I look things up in here if I still don't understand, sometimes

Anonymous

Sometimes I look something up in a 国語辞典 and I'm still confused ＾＾；

深い緑色の・・・これかなhttp://www.kinokuniya.co.jp/images/goods/ar2/web/imgdata2/large/4767‌4/4767420261.jpg

18000円！？たかっ

Anonymous

11:02 PM

は〜い　それだ〜＾＾

Anonymous

It has a reputation as being the best J-E dictionary

おおお～家にあるよ～

古本屋で買ったので、もう少し安かったような気がする。

(4版かも。)

デカイよね！

Anonymous

The fourth edition is a little bit smaller but it's still huge! Hehe

Anonymous

The fourth edition has entries listed in ローマ字

Anonymous

and it has pitch accent marked over the letters.

Anonymous

11:04 PM

The fifth edition switched to kana, and it doesn't mark pitch accent

Anonymous

I kind of miss the fourth, but I can look up accent in 大辞林 now ^^

Anonymous

I also have the 集英社国語辞典 and that is smaller but it lists pitch accent

Ah! then mine is 4th edition!

Anonymous

The 5th edition came out in 2003

Anonymous

I think.

Anonymous

11:06 PM

I originally bought the 4th edition back in 2001

Anonymous

I get so excited about dictionaries, hehehe

So someone didn't need it anymore, and sold it to 古本屋 and bought the 5th edition. ううう～

Anonymous

I actually got the Kenkyusha .. um .. I think it's 研究社英語学辞典

Anonymous

at a used bookstore in Tucson, Arizona

Anonymous

Used bookstores in the U.S. often have a "foreign books" section, but they don't know what languages or what the titles are so they're unsorted

Anonymous

11:09 PM

it's fun to look through them and see what Japanese books they have :-)

これ？ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ojom1u3JL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Anonymous

Yes! That one :-)

Anonymous

I put it in a box and now I don't know where it is.

Anonymous

I want to find it :-)

おおお！これも、私の家にあるよ～

(古いよ～)

Anonymous

11:13 PM

We're having a heat wave here, so I don't want to move boxes and look for it today...

Anonymous

熱すぎるよ　t-t

暑いんだ！

Anonymous

Did I use the wrong kanji? Hehe

こっちは、暖房を入れてますｗｗｗ

Anonymous

熱い　暑い

11:14 PM

えっ、気づかなかったあ～

Anonymous

暑すぎるよ　←　添削された〜

そおなの～？ええええっ、どっちだろう？？？

Anonymous

Hehe!! I'm not entirely sure

wwwww

どおしよう！やば～い

Anonymous

Ahh, I have so many books in these boxes

Anonymous

11:20 PM

I found the Complete Yale Shakespeare! :-)

Anonymous

I found a book called "2001 Japanese and English Idioms"

Anonymous

The first half is 2000 idioms translated from Japanese into English... the second half is 2000 idioms translated from English to Japanese

Anonymous

Hah, it has a picture for 猫をかぶる

Anonymous

I should keep that book on my shelf. Maybe it'll come in handy

Anonymous

「兜（かぶと）を脱ぐ」 "to admit defeat"

Anonymous

11:26 PM

I don't know any of these phrases.

@snailboat 40冊セット！？

うそっ

Anonymous

@Chocolate No, the one I have is one big volume! :-)

@snailboat かわらをぬぐ。。。

Anonymous

It's the heaviest book I own @_@

Anonymous

It says かぶと

11:28 PM

かぶと！ｗｗ

Anonymous

Hehe, I learned 兜 from video games

かわらは「瓦」だった

Anonymous

Ahh like

Anonymous

煉瓦　れんが

Anonymous

瓦版　かわらばん

11:28 PM

ぜんぜんちゃう～ｗｗ

Anonymous

瓦版 is a funny word.

Anonymous

Wikipedia lists a few theories about 瓦版・・・ ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%93%A6%E7%89%88

Anonymous

瓦 is one of the kanji that was not on the 常用漢字表 when I started learning Japanese, but they added it in 2010.

Anonymous

So 瓦 wasn't in the books I was learning kanji from when I started.

Anonymous

user image

Anonymous

11:39 PM

One volume! :-)

Anonymous

My brother gave it to me 15 years ago or so

@snailboat なんかさ～・・常用漢字って、だんだん増えてるよね・・・

これは・・分厚そうな・・・

Anonymous

It takes up a third of the box! Hehe

Anonymous

I don't have the plastic cover anymore.

Anonymous

Dust jacket, I guess it's called

Anonymous

11:41 PM

I'm really bad about keeping dust jackets.

I think I read most of your Lang-8 journals でも「暑すぎる」って、蜜からなかったです

*見つからなかったです

(蜜!?)

Anonymous

Oh! Um, oops. I didn't mean it was corrected on Lang-8. I was trying to say I corrected my own mistake :-)

Anonymous

I should probably have said.. 添削した

Anonymous

instead of 添削された？

Ah I see, I though someone corrected 暑すぎる into 熱すぎる

Anonymous

11:43 PM

I try to practice Japanese, but I always say the wrong stuff, so it's confusing... ごめんね！

Anonymous

My dictionary says:

いあいあ～

Anonymous

暑い・・・気温に使う。「暑い日差し・蒸し暑い」

Anonymous

熱い・・・物の温度や、高まった感情に使う。「熱い湯・熱い思い・熱い血潮」

熱い、厚い、暑い are less confusing than 暖かい/温かい, no?

Then I wonder which to use for サウナ.

Anonymous

11:47 PM

I don't mix up 厚い with 熱い・暑い (at least, I don't think I do)

Anonymous

but I mix up 暑い and 熱い

Anonymous

This is my 学研漢和辞典 which has a 使い分け section for a lot of words

Anonymous

I think they might simplify things a little bit in these 使い分け sections...

Anonymous

It also lists 厚い and 篤い

When you're in a サウナ, and feel too hot, 熱い? 暑い?

篤い？←よめん

Anonymous

11:49 PM

篤い・・・病気やまごころに使う。「篤い人情・篤い病気・篤い信仰心」

another あつい

へ～～～～～

「厚い人情」じゃないんだ！

ｗｗ

Anonymous

It might be the wrong method, but... when I learn kanji, I try to focus on learning which words are written with the kanji, instead of focusing on the meaning of the kanji itself

Anonymous

So I learn that 暖かい and 温かい are あたたかい

Anonymous

But then sometimes I mix up kanji like those ＾＾；

Anonymous

Some of them I don't mix up, though

Anonymous

11:54 PM

Some people memorize English meanings for each kanji before they learn to read any words.

へ～！

意味＞＞読み

or
読み＞＞意味

同音異義語、homonyms があるのよね

Anonymous

I do read about the meanings of kanji but I tend to think of them in terms of the readings

Anonymous

Like... I learned 儚い yesterday

Anonymous

I only know it as はかない

Anonymous

My dictionary said 儚 means 確かでない。頼みにならない。はかない。

Anonymous

11:58 PM

So, I understood that to mean 儚い　＝　はかない　＝　確かでない。頼みにならない。

Anonymous

I looked up 儚い in 大辞林 and the definition was really long ^^; dic.yahoo.co.jp/…

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