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12:53 AM
I remember seeing a question about the obligation of revai outside the land of Israel, but can't find it now. Anyone has the link?
 
1:03 AM
@Menachem Not I. It's none of these.
@Menachem I recall seeing a list of questions (or posts, flags, comments, somethings) -- I don't remember where -- onsite, and some had rules between them and others didn't. I shoulda screenshot it.
@MonicaCellio Y'yasher kochech!
 
@msh210 I looked there, and didn't see it here either: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/chutz-laaretz
i.stack.imgur.com/8VrhQ.png @msh210 you can see here that the line is in the text box, but not in the final version.
 
@msh210 to her, not to me -- glad to see she's answered a few questions and asked one of her own, all in the first day. I'm nobody special in the social-media world, so was pleased to see that someone followed me here. @Jin's beautiful ad probably had a lot to do with that!
 
@msh210 here's the link to the answer in the screenshot: judaism.stackexchange.com/a/12130/603
 
1:37 AM
@Menachem I'm pretty sure I've seen cases where the preview formatting didn't quite match the final formatting, but I no longer remember details.
 
2:13 AM
@MonicaCellio this is a little different - a) sometimes the line shows up and sometimes it doesn't. b) this isn't showing up in the preview or the final, but sometimes it does.
 
2:49 AM
@Menachem I seem to remember a source in Chassidus about sitra achra being associated with the number 11. Something to do with a lack of unity in its sefiros. Do you have any idea what I'm thinking of?
 
3:13 AM
@HodofHod I seem to remember something connecting it to "Kol Hamosef Goreah" - whomever adds, subtracts. A quick google search found this so far, lib.kabbalah.info/…
as well as this: lib.kabbalah.info/…
from there: Indeed, you should know that as they are four Olamot ABYA in Kedusha and their Shoresh is only Eser Sefirot that expand in them sort-by-sort and degree-by-degree, so it is in ABYA de Klipot. They are all rooted in the sorting of the Melachim that could not be sorted, and they are eleven Sefirot.

It is written in the Zohar (Parashat Truma p.164), “The Sitra Achra is given an extra count, and it is counted as a deficit, such as eleven.” It means that when it is given the extra count, it is a demerit, since they are ten in Kedusha and eleven in the Klipot.
however, I don't know anything about that website
@HodofHod: but here is the Zohar referenced there: hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=51737&pgnum=108
 
3:44 AM
@Menachem Ahh, thanks! I'll keep looking for the chassidus source, though
 
 
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Q: Design bug in badge page

HodofHodThe date and post title overlap on the tumbleweed badge page, as well as other post-related badge pages.

 
 
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2:37 PM
I'm almost positive we've had this question before. judaism.stackexchange.com/q/16729/759 Can anyone find a dupe?
 
3:31 PM
I think this is too trivial to ask on the site, so I'm posting in chat: Does anyone know where the phrase "פושט צורה ולובש צורה" comes from originally?
 
4:19 PM
me wants:
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Q: What Easter Eggs do the chat sites have?

MosheAccording to @balpha, he SE chat sites may have individual Easter eggs, depending on the site. If you find them, please post. Edit: Because it's so easy to make this stuff up, a screenshot as proof would be nice. (Although Photoshop ain't that hard either...)

 
5:01 PM
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Q: Comments on Q/As causing changes on main page

Seth JSince when do comments on questions and answers show up on the main page? I don't mean that they can be read there, but that the question is bumped up on the main page, and that the last activity noted on the right side below the title is the comment (or, rather, the time of the comment and the ...

 
5:22 PM
Everybody sticking around for parasha chat?
 
@HodofHod Me, iy"h.
 
5:33 PM
...and here we go.
Begin Parashat Hashavua' Chat #24 - Nasso 5772
@jake @ShmuelBrin @DoubleAA Anybody have a starting topic?
 
Anyone know why we read the parshas nesiim on chanuka?
or "over chanuka".
 
@jake Because they're both Chanukei HaMizbeiach?
 
I have a small followup from last week. Somebody (don't remember who) asked why sefer b'midbar begins where it does, when a logical break would seem to come a bit later after the mishkan stuff in this week's portion. I heard a drash that argued that sefer sh'mot is about people-building (making us a coherent people), sefer vayikra is about holiness, and sefer b'midbar is about nation-building. (cont)
 
can't load the link there, so no idea what it says
 
5:42 PM
That doesn't address the mishkan stuff; my own thought there is that the nation and the priesthood must go hand-in-hand, to "entwining" them at the beginning of sefer b'midbar reinforces that. We can't just be a nation but we also can't just be God-facing and never interact with each other or with the other nations. Just a thought.
@HodofHod facebook is blocked for me too
 
@MonicaCellio Oh, no, the facebook post is an excerpt from another place. Here's what facebook says
>The Reading of the Nesiim on Chanukah Destroys Yishmael
On each day of Chanukah, we read the Torah’s description of the sacrifices of the
twelve Nesiim (leaders) of the tribes from Parshas Nasoi.
The ‘Targum Yonoson Be Uziel’

states that the sacrifices of our twelve Nesiim
destroy the twelve Nesiim of Yishmael.
The Zohar
explains: If not for the sacrifices of our twelve Nesiim, the world would not
be able to endure the persecution of the twelve Nesiim of Yishmael.
On Chanukah, with the reading of the sacrifices of our Nesiim, the Nesiim of Yishmael
 
@DoubleAA Was there a chanukas hamizbeach after the Hasmonean war?
 
@HodofHod thanks!
 
@HodofHod That's a little strange. And who are the "twelve nesiim of Yishmael"?
 
5:45 PM
@jake I'm not familiar with that idea. Kabbalistic, certainly
 
@jake There was at least a chanukat hamenora. I'm going to guess that they had a celbreatory grand re-opening too.
Maybe Olah's were 20% off :)
 
@DoubleAA I've always assumed that too (why worry about the menorah if you're not doing the rest?), but I can't prove it.
 
@MonicaCellio Interesting... BTW, how is Shemot about "people-building"?
 
@jake the idea was that we go from this group of slaves that just exists to a people that, unified, stood at sinai. (Ok, so we were also near-unified with the calf; nothing's perfect.)
 
בראשית פרק כה

(יג) ואלה שמות בני ישמעאל בשמתם לתולדתם בכר ישמעאל נבית וקדר ואדבאל ומבשם:
(יד) ומשמע ודומה ומשא:
(טו) חדד ותימא יטור נפיש וקדמה:
(טז) אלה הם בני ישמעאל ואלה שמתם בחצריהם ובטירתם שנים עשר נשיאם לאמתם:
 
5:47 PM
@DoubleAA Thanks.
 
@DoubleAA do we have a tradition about who any of those "grew up" to be (in modern tribes/nations)?
 
@HodofHod I still don't see how chanuka is connected to Yishmael.
 
@jake Neither do I, but I couldnt check that other link, so I don't know what's there
 
@HodofHod ok.
@MonicaCellio Ah, I see. Indeed. In fact, Abarbanel at the beginning of Shemot brings several reasons why Bereshit and Shemot are separate books. That is one of them, IIRC: Bereshit is about the making of great individuals; Shemot is about the making of a nation.
 
@MonicaCellio I have only ever heard them described as the "Arab peoples". See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael#Descendants for some ideas.
 
5:54 PM
@jake Does he say anything about Vayikra and Bamidbar? There does seem to be a difference in the people/nation in Sh'mot and the nation in Bamidbar and I'm wondering if that's real or just suggesion bias because I heard this drash.
@DoubleAA Thanks. I haven't heard anything more specific than Arab either.
 
@MonicaCellio Not that I remember. He does talk at the beginning of Vayikra about how the book is especially for/about kohanim.
@MonicaCellio It's funny. Now that I think about it, I remeber him addressing the overall theme of every book except for Bamidbar.
 
@jake Huh. I wonder if he left it out or if it just wasn't memorable.
So going back to Naso, does anybody know what's special about the age of 30 for Levi'im? At 20 you're fit for military service but you're not fit for the mishkan until 30. It makes sense that spiritual readiness comes later than physical, but is there any significance to these particular ages?
 
@MonicaCellio The Mishnah in Avot 5:21 says 30 is the age of כח - Koach = Strength and 20 is the age לרדוף = to pursue.
If I had to guess, 20 has a wild physical strength which is useful in the army, but 30 is already more mature and controlled which is useful for divine service.
We see from the rules of not using metal on the Alter's stones, that we try to distinguish military and divine services.
 
@DoubleAA Oh, nice connection. Thanks.
Another question. What did it mean to be sent outside of the camp (lepers etc)? Was this just "take your stuff and go", or was there community infrastructure? Did the manna extend outside the camp so they could eat? Were they responsible for their own defense? I'm wondering how this worked in practice.
 
6:15 PM
@MonicaCellio The Talmud (Yoma 75a) says that for Tzaddikim the manna fell on their doorsteps, for In-Between-ers it fell just outside, and for Reshaim they had to go scavenge for it. So presumably there was manna that fell some distance from the people, and I think it is reasonable that the same would apply for the lepers.
 
@DoubleAA Yoma is talking about inside the camp (even a tzaddik can be exposed to tumah) and you're applying that more broadly? Makes sense, just checking.
So what about shelter? If a family lives in a tent and one person has to go out, are there communal tents for this or what? (Maybe I should ask this on main but we're chatting parsha here, so...)
 
@MonicaCellio It doesn't really specify how far constitutes 'scavenging' (lit. שטו=scattered)
 
I have to drop off. Thanks for the chat all!
 
6:42 PM
msh210 has removed an event from this room's schedule.
 
Since no one else has done it...
End Parashat Hashavua' Chat #24 - Nasso 5772
 
@HodofHod Reminder: Unpin the reminder.
 
@DoubleAA and done
thanks for the reminder about the reminder
 
7:12 PM
5 hours ago, by Double AA
I'm almost positive we've had this question before. http://judaism.stackexchange.com/q/16729/759 Can anyone find a dupe?
 
@DoubleAA, good idea.
4 hours ago, by jake
I think this is too trivial to ask on the site, so I'm posting in chat: Does anyone know where the phrase "פושט צורה ולובש צורה" comes from originally?
 
7:25 PM
posted on May 02, 2012 by joshwaxman

by aliyah rishon (19:1) sheni (19:15) shelishi (19:23) revii (19:33) chamishi (20:1) shishi (20:8) shevii (20:23) maftir (20:25) haftara (Amos 9:7) haftara, according to Sefardim, Italians (Yechezkel 20) by perek perek 19 ; perek 20 meforshim Judaica Press Rashi in English and Hebrew (France, 1040 - 1105) -- ואני לא באתי אלא לפשוטו של מקרא ולאגדה המיישבת דברי המקרא, דבר דבור על אופניו Chiz

posted on May 07, 2012 by joshwaxman

by aliyah rishon (21:1) sheni (21:16) shelishi (22:17) revii (23:1) chamishi (23:23) shishi (23:33) shevii (24:1) maftir (24:21) -- missing haftara (Yechezkel 44:15) (missing beginning, but here) by perek perek 21 ; perek 22 ; perek 23 ; perek 24 meforshim Judaica Press Rashi in English  and Hebrew (France, 1040 - 1105) -- ואני לא באתי אלא לפשוטו של מקרא ולאגדה המיישבת דברי המקרא, דבר דבו

posted on May 14, 2012 by joshwaxman

by aliyah rishon (25:1) sheni (25:14) shelishi (25:19) revii (25:25) chamishi (25:29) shishi (25:39) shevii (25:47) maftir (25:55) haftara (Yirmeyah 32:6-27), with Mahari Kara, Abarbanel and Malbim by perek perek 25 ; perek 26 meforshim Judaica Press Rashi in English  and Hebrew (France, 1040 - 1105) -- ואני לא באתי אלא לפשוטו של מקרא ולאגדה המיישבת דברי המקרא

posted on May 16, 2012 by joshwaxman

by aliyah rishon (Vayikra 26:3) (missing that pasuk, but starts at 26:4) sheni (26:6) shelishi (26:10) revii (27:1) chamishi (27:16), shishi (27:22) shevii (27:29) maftir (27:32) haftara (Yirmeyahu 16) by perek perek 27 meforshim Judaica Press Rashi in English   and Hebrew (France, 1040 - 1105) -- ואני לא באתי אלא לפשוטו של מקרא ולאגדה המיישבת דברי המקרא, דבר דבור על אופניו Chizkuni (Fra

posted on May 21, 2012 by joshwaxman

מראי מקומות ללימוד פרשת במדבר, תשע"א by aliyah rishon (Bemidbar 1:1) sheni (1:20) shelishi (2:1) revii (3:1) chamishi (3:14) shishi (3:40) shevii (4:1) maftir (4:17), Haftarah (Hoshea 2) by perek perek 1 ; perek 2 ; perek 3 ; perek 4 meforshim - מפרשים Judaica Press Rashi in English and Hebrew (France, 1040 - 1105) -- ואני לא באתי אלא לפשוטו של מקרא ולאגדה המיישבת דברי המקרא, דבר

 
@msh210 err.... ^^^^^
 
7:41 PM
I'm guessing http://judaism.stackexchange.com/users/1255/none = http://judaism.stackexchange.com/users/1552/bchol-beisi-neeman.
The former's original name was Moshe, and the latter is clearly a Mosaic reference. Both asked lots and lots of questions. And the former promised to stop using as a registered user. (We've had a number of unregistered short-term high question askers in the interim as well.) Also, the latter seems too comfortable with the features of the site for a new user, using edits and reward bounties right away. Finally, the latter's bounty on this question http://judaism.st
 
8:37 PM
@DoubleAA Hilchot Mechira 10:13 - if he wishes to disassociate with his former self, let him be.
 
@DoubleAA none's poor experiences seem to have been on three different sites, or at least he copied his profile. Does anybody know whether these poor experiences are something we should be paying attention to? (I guess I didn't notice them at the time.)
 
@هه @Vram I didn't know it was something to be embarrassed about.
 
8:57 PM
@DoubleAA Maybe because it's the first time that feed is being posted here? If it happens again, I'll kill the feed bl"n. Or if it continues to post things a week late.
@DoubleAA IMO your points are good ones except your last. Bounty on a specific question can easily be due to interest even if not the asker. I've done it myself a few times.
 
@msh210 I've seen that sort of thing with setting up RSS feeds elsewhere; the first fetch gets everything posted within some time window, and then you get new and edited posts after that.
 
@MonicaCellio Okay, good. Thanks for the info.
 
9:18 PM
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Q: Have any gedolim written plays?

bchol beisi neemanOther than the Ramchal have any other gedolei yisroel written plays? If so please provide links to the text.

^^ does Iyov count? ;-) (ping @DoubleAA)
 
@msh210 Oy. I'm just trying to imagine rewriting the gemara into iambic pentameter. For memorization purposes, of course.
 
@DoubleAA That reminds me. I was sitting lel Shavuos next to a couple of people learning together, and among the things they did was review maseches Nida from daf 2 until wherever they were up to. They way they did this was [cont'd]
[cont'd] to recall a mnemonic they'd made up using the number of the daf. So for example (I certainly don't remember any of the mnemonics, this is just an example), they'd recall "nun vav -- stands for 'nearby veses' -- the g'mara speaks of a r'ia that occurs on the day before the veses; and this is what it says...". They told me they'd done this for nida (up to where they were up to) and a few other masechtos -- and I could see in practice that they remembered the g'mara
(Of course I don't know that they remembered it correctly.)
I just thought that that was a cool idea.
@DoubleAA I once wrote a 200-odd-line summary of perek Hakones (BK) in poem (meter (though not iambic pentameter) and rhyme)
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But that was only one perek.
 
@msh210 Maybe we should have a poetry reading meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1002/759
 
@DoubleAA 200 lines is a bit long. And Hakones is not of general interest.
 
@msh210 so I guess we can answer the above-cited question in the affirmative. :)
 
9:31 PM
@Dave It asks about g'dolim and plays, not tachtonim and poems.
 
@msh210 ... and an anav as well.
@msh210 and there are enough interesting cases in Hakones that it would read like a play.
 
@Dave Maybe I should dig it up, post it somewhere online. Right now it's doing no one any good.
heh, those last two stars to the right look like a question & its answer
 
@msh210 If one puts sheep in a pen, and then locks it again...
@msh210 and then a sheep gets away, and does damage that day,
@msh210 does the owner need to pay? Hmm, what do you say?
 
If I recall correctly it starts:
On daf nun-he we saw who was
our mishna's author:
it was Rabi Y'huda 'cause
or else it would say shor.
...... and doesn't get any better thereafter.
 
@msh210 ??
 
9:43 PM
The last two stars -->
I see:
@Dave, do you have my e-mail address? The server is gmail.com and the mailbox is msh210 - 2d ago by msh210
*Avadeh.* - 2d ago by Dave
 
i thought you were referring to:

@HodofHod @ShmuelBrin @MonicaCellio Did we forget Parasha Chat? - 2d ago by Double AA

Ironic, isn't it? I suspect that Memorial Day (in the US) is partly to blame; it may not feel like Wednesday already to people. - 2d ago by Monica Cellio
 
@msh210 That is funny, but those two messages disappeared from my sidebar a while ago.
 
@Dave I have a rather large screen here.
 
@msh210 I suspected it had something to do with screen size. So you do have a shayachus to gadlus, after all.
 
@Dave :-)
 
@טוני welcome
 
@msh210 For?
@tony, that was quick!
 
10:25 PM
@HodofHod I think that was more of a ברוך הבא and not a בבקשה.
 
@DoubleAA Ah. Never mind, then
@DoubleAA Then again, is Tony even here in the room?......
<looks around>
I seeeee you.....
 
@HodofHod Not anymore.
 
@DoubleAA That's what you think!
;)
 
Oh, hi @טוני ! We were just talking about you
I'm glad you decided to stay. Maybe you should try contributing somethings.
 
10:33 PM
@טוני The reputation you can gain from one solid post is more than enough to allow you to chat, flag, and participate in most of the important ways.
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@DoubleAA /protests innocence
:D
 
@DoubleAA Yes.
@DoubleAA Ah, yes, I forgot he or she can't speak here.
 
@msh210 We could always let him, I guess
 
10:50 PM
@HodofHod His post on the site makes me think he doesn't want to speak here anyway.
 
@msh210 I suspect not
 
While we're discussing Tony: judaism.stackexchange.com/suggested-edits/377 in case you missed it.
Hmmm apparently you can favorite deleted posts. That's odd. ?
 
@DoubleAA I had.
 
@DoubleAA Apparently it is. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/97110/166155
 
11:36 PM
@DoubleAA I was going to suggest that judaism.stackexchange.com/users/1391 = stackoverflow.com/users/67063/tony-the-pony , but it turns out "Tony the Pony" is a bit of a meme on stackoverflow, so you never know.
 

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