@IsaacMoses A quick read of the first third of the article says it's exactly what its English byline says it is (it claims: no!). And @msh210 is correct, it's not a Q&A column. I believe that the "Yiddish with an Aleph" section of the Yiddish Forward often has pseudonyms, as some of the Hasidim writing the articles aren't "out" in their community as readers of the Forward (or for various other reasons).
@msh210 they don't need the specific call-out, but his general message did prompt me to go check ("I did commit to this, right?"), upon which I found that I hadn't. (What I remembered was following it, before commitment started.) Granted, I don't know how much I'll actually be able to contribute -- more questions than answers, I expect -- but I'll try.
Do I understand correctly, that God's anointed ones, are Israelites? I Chronicles 16:22?
And is it true that prophets, priests and kings are all anointed by God?
I have heard it explained why the Nazarene could not have been the anointed king. Well I agree! I marvel that christians do not acknowledge that he never was anointed by a prophet with oil, that he never was set up or presented as king, and that he did not let the people make him king when they wanted to. This is odd. But is it not possible that he was an anointed prophet? I say this because when the Spirit of God came upon the 50 in Moses' day, they were counted among the prophets.
I guess, I'm looking at the accounts and seeing that the main things christians say of him or that is written of him in the apostolic writings, or that he said of himself were that he was the son of God--which Israel is. He is the anointed--which prophets were. He is suffering servant--which any servant of God (Jew)who suffers could rightly be said to be?
@DoubleAA ok
Ah! right! prophets!
So, all the more I wonder if the implications got twisted?
@Mithrandir Doesn't much matter. The question doesn't say anything about that source. (Or it didn't, last I checked.) You can -- IMO should -- answer the question asked, and your answer was a perfectly good one.
@Sarah Christianity.SE folks may know more about that.
@msh210 I don't want to know what they say. I want to knowwhaat you say. They believe the "NT" is Scripture. It is not. They are a gentile religion. You are God's chosen priesthood on the earth. What do you say.
They allowed pagainism into their religion. YOu did not.
@Sarah Um, yeah. Roughly the same reason there is to believe that King Ahab was not a prophet. There's no record of his being such, and he wasn't known to be righteous.
@msh210 While the effect of what Rome seems to have done, and all the pagan elements and influence was to the effect of your suffering, the result of Jesus' teaching itself, (devoid of Paul) is to turn people to righteousness.
I don't try to do that. I would rather convince you of how wonderful and perfect the laws of God are. But I don't need to do so because if you did not believe that, you would not be in here. I'm not so concerned about you, as the christians.
Can I ask a question about Paul?
What makes the Jews take exception to Paul's teachings? He seems to endeavor to teach gentiles to live as Noahides.
Yet he himself seems to continue living as a Jew.
He seems to discourage gentiles from seeking to become Jews and discourage Jews from seeking to be not Jews.
@Sarah Dunno. Never read him. Why would I do that, there are Jewish sources for what I need to know? In any event, is endeavoring to teach gentiles to live as noahides all he writes about? Does he, for example, also endeavor to teach gentiles to accept Jesus as the son of God?
Let me restate, I am not concerned about convincing Jews of anything. I think they need to convince the rest of us of the perfect laws of your God. I am concerned about the christians.
We're the ben of God, but that's not literally a son, it's a metaphorical term in Hebrew that describes a relationship that cannot be put into a single English word exactly (though we make do with "son" as a stand-in).
Exodus 4 22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says YHWH: "Israel is My son, My firstborn. 23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn." ' "
No until I am on my feet about what I believe is true.
Which is why I am here.
@msh210 No, but the book of Mark does not say anything about a virgin conception, and even if it did, your faith acknowledges the possibiility of a virgin conceiving. And if the mother was Jewish the child would be Jewish and thus the son of God.
@Sarah What about a true following of the book of Alice?
'Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?' 'That depends a good deal on where you want to get to,' said the Cat. 'I don't much care where—' said Alice. 'Then it doesn't matter which way you go,' said the Cat.
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Ah, the lessons we can learn. It rivals any book of musar.
@msh210 Nothing about the book of Alice resulted in the Tanakh being spread around the world to almost every nation in almost every language. Nothing about that book causes people to take note of God's laws, nor God's people.
What is pagan seems boldly pagan. What is Jewish seems boldly Jewish.
@Sarah I wonder whether God would rather His name spread side by side with Christian doctrine or not at all. And we could do without the notice that Christians have taken of us, thank you very much.
But they still would dare endeavor to prosyletize you and encourage you to leave off the very laws of God that He gave you forever, and by which you are to be light to the world.
@msh210 I know.
@msh210 But there are many coming out of the church because they realize Jesus was a Jew, and from that they are drawn to Torah, and begin to see what things in christian teaching contradict Torah, and abandon the pagan elements to their religion.
@Sarah I think the point you're missing is that we are no more interested in studying and disproving one work of fiction over another. Jesus, Muhamad, Hari Krishna, Pastafarian, whatever -- doesn't matter. That some of them perverted the Tanakh to their own ends is their problem until they choose to make it ours. Jews follow the torah. We don't need to prove the wrongness of those who corrupted it; we already know and they don't care what we say.
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And, more generally, the burden of proof -- should it be in play at all -- is on those who seek to alter or reinterpret, not on us to prove they're wrong.
