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1:35 PM

@msh210 I hope the author accepts your and Monica's invitations to convert the post from an apparent invitation to open-ended debate into a clear question. I think it should be On Hold until that happens.

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4:14 PM

@IsaacMoses I think you mean 85% (based on Who has the highest percentage of un-upvoted questions)

of note, there are 23 users with >= 20 questions who don't have any questions with 0 or negative scores

including @DoubleAA

4:31 PM

@MonicaCellio As I've been viewing the hot network questions more often, this has happened to me repeatedly

I usually don't even want to bother going to the effort of just registering for the site

but I'm certainly not going to bother if even after doing that I still can't downvote

@Daniel That seems to me to be a good effect. No offense to you personally, but I'd rather not have people creating accounts just to be able to downvote and then doing so immediately.

@IsaacMoses Why not? I can create an account just to be able to upvote and do so immediately

It makes sense for there to be a rep threshold for downvoting since it negatively affects other people's rep, but I feel like once someone has reached the rep to be able to downvote on one site, we don't expect that person to abuse the privilege on a different site.

maybe the solution should be to withhold the association bonus until the person has reached 125, and then make that the bonus

@Daniel downvotes are more consequential than upvotes. The difference between 0 and -1 is greater than that between 0 and 1. And authors hate them.

@IsaacMoses I agree. I don't think there shouldn't be a higher rep threshold for downvoting than for upvoting

But we are talking about people who have reached and exceeded that threshold on some other site

@Daniel I think the idea is that we want people to understand local culture before they go around trashing other people's stuff. Having participated elsewhere on SE, this mechanism says, gets you 80% of the way there, but you have to participate on this site at least a little to get the last 20%.

Each site has its own culture and standards.

4:41 PM

@Daniel yeah, the HNQ list sometimes causes problems (particularly, among my sites, on Workplace), because "good rant" != "good question/answer" but people vote for things they like anyway. I don't know what the answer is; I think I once proposed that protection should impose a small local rep requirement for voting (like it does for answering), and then communities could decide whether to protect HNQs.

That people can come in and vote up, but not down, can be disruptive. I'm not sure I want to grant downvotes right out of the gate either, though.

@IsaacMoses Fair point

A: The association bonus should not enable users to vote on every site

Here we go:

A stray vote or two here and there doesn't really do much damage, and if someone found the answer to his question because somebody else already asked it, we want him to be able to upvote the question and perhaps some of the answers. SE has declined blanket restrictions on voting before, and I ca...

@MonicaCellio It means that for a small community like ours, the highest-scoring questions are pretty much invariably those that have attracted attention and interest from people outside the community, around the SE network, which does not necessarily correlate to high-value Judaism Q&A.

@IsaacMoses yeah, it goes both ways. Sometimes a question has more votes than it "deserves" because it caught people's fancy, but OTOH, I sometimes find my way to SE sites via Google because I have a problem to solve, and I'd sure like to be able to upvote the well-asked question that meant I didn't have to and the answer that worked for me.

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Q: Flagging summary improvement : filters

6:49 PM

It has just gotten much easier to understand and filter your flagging history:

Here is my flagging summary on SU. Your flagging history 32 posts flagged as requiring moderator attention 2 are waiting for review 3 were marked valid 1 were marked invalid (older flags were not recorded valid/invalid) 2 posts marked as spam It is too complicated to look for let's...

feature-request status-completed flags flag-history

msh210

@IsaacMoses It seems (based on what I recall) to roughly correlate with some combination of "has an interesting-sounding title" and "is about some element of non-Jewish culture or some (l'havdil) other religion".

@MonicaCellio Thanks for the info. I just decided to check it out. I discovered that I have 2222 helpful flags. :-)

@msh210 pretty! :-)

msh210

@MonicaCellio Heh, yeah, but I smiling more at the absurdity of the high number. I don't, of course, have 2222 flags that were honestly deemed helpful. Rather, I have 2222 flags, most of which were immediately effective (because of my diamond) and thus deemed helpful.