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Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
4:14 AM
Did anyone notice that chabadlibrary.org/books is down :(
 
msh210
msh210
4:28 AM
@MonicaCellio "you probably have no idea who Plonit bat Shimon is without further context. (For men, at least you hear them called to the torah.)" I know you read the Torah -- do you not also get called to be read for? I'm surprised.
@ShmuelBrin No: I'd never seen that site. Nice that there's an online catalogue of the vast 770 libraries. Didan netzach! :-) Is the catalogue complete (covering the entirety of the 770 libraries)?
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@ShmuelBrin Not good.
 
Menachem
Menachem
@ShmuelBrin I sent them an email yesterday, did not receive a response yet
@msh210 They also have a catalog of the books in the 770 library, but chabadlibrary.org/books is/was the text of a large majority of the works published by Kehot of all the Chabad Rabbeim, as well as some Chassidim
@msh210 I think it was books that were published more recently, that were typeset on computer, and therefore were already existent digitally, but that was just my theory (Likutei Sichot started from volume 30, for example)
 
msh210
msh210
@Menachem Oh, online text? Even better. But 770 authorizes hebrewbooks.org's scanning, which seems redundant then.
... though not redundant if chabadlibrary.org is down. :-/
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 Except HebrewBooks' OCR is not that great :/
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod True. I meant hebrewbooks.org's is redundant to the other.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
4:44 AM
@msh210 But chabadlibrary doesn't host scans. :/
 
msh210
msh210
@msh210 Hm, Google tells me it's notzach, not netzach. What's notzach? I'm unfamiliar with the word. What's that first vowel, even?
 
Menachem
Menachem
@msh210 chabadlibrarybooks.com/about (which is also hebrewbooks.org, I never quite understood the difference) is the scanned works, this was the digital text
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod @Menachem I see.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
It seems their catalog search is down for all the languages besides english and hebrew, too.
@msh210 Yeah, it's a weird situation.
 
Menachem
Menachem
send them some emails
 
msh210
msh210
4:46 AM
@msh210 Any of youse know, by any chance, @HodofHod @Menachem @ShmuelBrin?
 
Menachem
Menachem
@msh210 @ShmuelBrin: The site is available on archive.org, so you can see it there - web.archive.org/web/20130602152156/http://chabadlibrary.org/…
 
msh210
msh210
Hiya, @JonEricson.
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
@msh210 Howdy.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Similar things have been done. L'haklik (to click), l'talfen (or l'talpen) (to telephone).
 
Menachem
Menachem
@msh210: lubavitch.com/news/article/2023674/… "Two thousand Jewish books, most from the 16th century, are now available online in a searchable, printable format at www.ChabadLibraryBooks.com...The web project, undertaken in conjunction with The Society for the Preservation of Hebrew Books (www.HebrewBooks.org), opens them to worldwide perusal."
 
msh210
msh210
4:58 AM
@Menachem Yet another domain....
 
Menachem
Menachem
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 You've previously mentioned being familiar with Geseinus, so: en.wikisource.org/w/…
*Gesenius
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod :-) I'm familiar with his Grammar only (though I know of his dictionary also). But that's Hebrew, and didan is Aramaic, no?
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 Efshar azoi.
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod This, too, has no Aramaic word that can reasonably be transliterated "notzach" AFAICT.
@HodofHod Maybe I should ask on MY.
Ah, Jastrow shows an Aramaic verb, "to win", also "to conquer".
I always thought it was didan (=ours) netzach (=forever). "Ours forever!"
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
5:12 AM
@msh210 You could, then I could get the rep for quoting medrash rabba: tsel.org/torah/midrashraba/kedoshim.html
:D
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod :-) I don't have the head for composing a well-asked question now. You can always ask & answer it yourself if you've wondered it and can answer it.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 And I don't want to write up a nice answer now, either.
@msh210 I have bad experiences with self-answers.
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod We're even then. (Except that I'm odd.)
@HodofHod Why don't you lie down and tell me about it.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 Ok, this looks comfortable.....OUCH!! WHADYA GOT NAILS IN THIS COUCH??
You must be some kind of faker!!
whoops. fakir.
Yep. My sense of humor is officially shot after last night.
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod :-) Try to get some sleep.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
5:18 AM
@msh210 With nails digging into my back? Forget it!
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod You've never slept on a bed of nails? Sheesh. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that you've never walked over hot coals.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
I was just about to make a Molech joke. I really should sleep.
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msh210
msh210
@HodofHod / all: TZT
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
2U2
 
 
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Monica Cellio
Monica Cellio
12:37 PM
@msh210 I try to ask questions in the site's majority context unless the distinction matters. Yes, I get called to the torah; even so, while my Reform minyan calls people with both father's and mother's name, my Conservative (egal) minyan uses only father's names. Which leads to the error that prompted the edit: misheberach is based on mother's names, so even if Plonit is in a congregation that gives women aliyot, odds are against people knowing her mother's name.
 
 
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Daniel
Daniel
2:22 PM
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Q: If my kavanah is towards the Islamic idea of God, am I yotzei?

DannoI have been reading through the various questions about Islam and its relationship to Judaism, and about the Rambam's view that Islam is a monotheistic religion and not idolatry and I am wondering: If I were davening and saying the words, but in my heart, my kavanah was somehow to the Islamic ide...

halacha tefilla theology kavana-concentration islam
This question has 3 upvotes, but to me it seems like "unclear what you're asking"
What is the Islamic idea of God?
And why does the idea that God communicated with Mohammad mean that it is a different concept of God?
@msh210 l'fasbek
falafel is ha-adama, standard cholent is mezonos, and if you eat them both together, and you wake up the next morning, the bracha is ha-gomel. :o) — user1095 Mar 22 '12 at 17:49
That's hilarious
We need to make that user register, just so he can post more comments like that
 
Daniel
Daniel
3:18 PM
I have made an edit which, I admit, changes the meaning of the question, but I believe it makes it much more understandable and answerable. If people think that this edit was improper, please revert. — Daniel 41 secs ago
 
msh210
msh210
@MonicaCellio Okay, makes sense.
@Daniel Nice fix. Thanks.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 If you think this is a valid fix, then I think that a lot of the comments can be deleted
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel Yeah, but let's give it time, see if the edit remains in place before deleting the comments; also make sure people see the context of the edit (viz the comments) before deciding on whether it should remain in place.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 Sounds good
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel His username isn't clickable there. That means he's gone for good.
 
Daniel
Daniel
3:29 PM
@msh210 Too bad. I often feel like making a hagomel on Sunday morning, even if I only ate cholent
How long does the period of inactivity have to be before someone's username becomes unclickable?
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel Monday.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 Right
But by Monday I've forgotten about it :)
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel I don't think inactivity renders a username unclickable. Only deletion of an account does that AFAIK.
 
Daniel
Daniel
Sunday could be Rosh Chodesh :)
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel Touche.
 
Daniel
Daniel
3:33 PM
@msh210 I'm also in an unfortunate situation where I can't really attend shacharis davening with a minyan because I have to leave for work by 7 and I'm just not disciplied enough to bring myself to a 6:15 minyan every day
So I can't say hagomel on monday or sunday or any other day besides shabbos
 
msh210
msh210
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 Yeah I know
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Better than me. Often I'll accidentally sleep in even for shacharit on Shabbat.
It's really bad.
But the bed is so cozy. :)
 
Daniel
Daniel
@msh210 I'm planning on making that a "Rosh hashannah resolution"
I guess I could start now
but it's hard!
eh... maybe elul is a good time for that
 
msh210
msh210
@Daniel Hatzlacha.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
3:51 PM
Why do the kosher agencies follow by Rashba's opinion on batel b'shishim when the majority of the scholarly Orthodox world does not? It's it because stringency = revenue?
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb I don't know the Rashba's opinion, but I don't see how stringency= revenue. If anything, leniency implies more things can be certified, which means more revenue for the agency.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@msh210 Rashba's opinion was that batel b'shishim only applies if it's done by accident.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Even for heter?
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
And stringency can equal revenue because if something is more stringent, it gives the connotation that it follows the law more correctly or it is healthier.
@msh210 Yes, even for heter I believe. Let me dig up the article.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb That's only if people who see the certification mark know about the stringency, which doesn't seem to be the case here.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
3:55 PM
@msh210 ka.org.au/index.php/Halachic_Policy/… Here's the article.
@msh210 But certainly it applies to the glatt kosher market.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Be nice.
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@rosenjcb That seems to be talking about bitul isur.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@msh210 It talks about nullification in general I believe. It's been a while since I read it.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Most people who eat only "glatt kosher" do not know whether the certification on the label is according to the Rashba. Certainly most who eat it only for health reasons!
@rosenjcb IFYPFY.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@msh210 I'm not saying glatt is because of Rashba. I'm saying that the stringency exists because people think glatt is more kosher or because glatt is healthier.
Mosheh Feinstein refused to eat glatt kosher foods because he thought it was unnecessary and only made eating more expensive.
@msh210 Am I not being nice? :(
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb The stringency exists? It's in the Rashba. And it has nothing to do with glatt (in glatt's literal sense).
@rosenjcb Citation needed. And he was a rabbi.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
4:00 PM
@msh210 It's a different example. I'm using a different example, glatt, to show a stringency may give a connotation of it being better when halachically it isn't necessary.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Arguably, a stringency by definition is both better and unnecessary. If it's not better, it's not a stringency but a foolishness; and if it's necessary, it's not a stringency but a requirement.
@rosenjcb The first sentence of this chat message, backed up by an explanation of what the Rashba says and a citation to what the normal practice of kashrus agencies and the scholarly Orthodox world hold, sounds IMO like a good question for MY.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@msh210 Semantics aside, putting on extra rules that aren't halachically necessary might be a potential trend in kosher agencies.
“For example,” Rabbi Tendler said, “[my father-in-law] fought glatt kosher meat. When glatt entered the American scene - largely brought in, I think, by the Hungarians - he opposed it and refused to buy meat from the glatt butcher. He said glatt means that we are changing our psak.” Only in his later years when no non-glatt kosher meat was available on the Lower East Side where he lived did Rav Moshe start buying glattmeat, Rabbi Tendler said.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Thanks.
 
Daniel
Daniel
glatt is necessariy for chicken, for example
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb I think that's part of why there are various agencies. Some hold of this chumra, others of that; some of this minhag, others of that; and we all get along (for the most part).
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
4:18 PM
@Daniel Yes, but it's completely redundant to label chicken as glatt in that case, because all kosher chicken is glatt. It has to be by definition.
 
msh210
msh210
@rosenjcb Even if that's true, I suspect it's outweighed by all the extra revenue possible from certifying all the extra products that can be certified by dropping a stringency. Once the agency has a good reputation, anyway.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@msh210 At least with glatt this isn't the case. OU before the 70s labeled any kosher meat is simply kosher, but only after glatt started to become a minstream thing, would they only label beef that met "glatt kosher" standards. The glatt, as we understand, it from an Ashkenazi standard is the halacha and glatt kosher as a term is redundant and unnecessary. Only bais yosef glatt really differs from halacha by adding another stringency that differs it from regular kosher meat.
Rambam specifically criticized this practice in Hilchot Shechitah 11:14
I actually think there's a neat little video somewhere on the web that explains glatt. Let's see if I can find it.
 
Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
4:54 PM
@rosenjcb How much cheaper is not-glatt vs glatt?
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@ShmuelBrin I don't know exactly, I hardly buy beef. Just compare Hebrew National with glatt hot dog prices.
 
Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
@rosenjcb Is that the only Kula of Triangle-K? They may push shochtim more.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@ShmuelBrin Well I don't know then. Non-glatt meat has been pushed out of the market, so it becomes harder and harder to find. You could compare 1970 prices of glatt kosher and kosher beef and then adjust for inflation. That would only be an estimate though.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb Hebrew national has problems besides being not-Glatt
 
Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
@rosenjcb you can find the percentage of non-glatt cows over glatt. However, having two runs may be too expensive (making not-glatt more expensive than glatt).
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
5:00 PM
@Daniel True, but a lot of those problems went away when they got a hechsher by an independent organization.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb Some of them did, but a lot of the problems are with Triangle-K itself
 
Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
It's like had there been no Hetter of Chalav Companies, Chalav Israel would probably be the same price (and as avauilable) as normal milk.
 
Daniel
Daniel
For example, they apparently only come in to check very rarely
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@ShmuelBrin Exactly.
@Daniel Could I get a source on that?
I've heard a lot of things that came from the grapevine with Triangle K too.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb I heard it from a rabbi that I know who is involved in the kashrus industry
granted for a competing company
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
5:05 PM
@Daniel Not sure about that then. :\ I've learned not to take any common knowledge or claims for granted when it comes to kosher controversies.
Triangle K is very transparent as far as I can tell, so I'm skeptical of claims against them. I am skeptical about Hebrew National's kosher status before they had a independent hechsher though.
I have a bias though. I'm poor and Hebrew National is often the only choice for me, so I'm not willing to let it become treif because some rabbi said so.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@DoubleAA: I agree. But the Triangle K is also sorely lacking in their transparency. And perhaps that is the problem. How can anyone recommend them, when they ahve no idea what they hold? The OU's Kashrut policies are public record and available on their website. — Menachem Jan 16 at 4:58
@rosenjcb Also, I remember this from a while back
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel I disagree. Triangle K has been very transparent with the political jabs that individuals have sent at them. They clarify what standards they hold.
 
Daniel
Daniel
but I don't know what the status of the lawsuit is right now
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Here is a response they wrote to the allegations they received a year back: theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=130775
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb So maybe it's ok besides being not-Glatt
I don't know for sure
But I have certainly heard that there are problems
And I'm not sure why they would go with Triangle-K if they know that it has a poor reputation. Why not go with someone more reputable?
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
5:15 PM
@Daniel It is glatt. It just isn't the super special "glatt kosher" you see on beef today.
@Daniel Probably because companies like OU won't give a hechsher to beef that isn't "glatt kosher."
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb what do you mean?
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel I found that video on Glatt I was looking for. It gives a nice explanation of the issue. youtube.com/watch?v=rQ16RVRQENg
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb I can't watch youtube here
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Let me find an article then.
 
Daniel
Daniel
What do you mean by saying that it's Glatt, just not "super special glatt"?
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
5:22 PM
@Daniel Okay well I'll just explain it then. Glatt means smooth, right? The reason why beef is glatt kosher is because professionals check the lungs (the organ most liable to contain an adhesion or puncture) for punctures and adhesions. If there is a puncture, then the animal would surely have died within 6 months and it's treife, if it's not; then, it's not treife.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb right
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
Anyways, the vast majority of glatt is the Ashkenazic understanding of glatt is that as long as the adhesions (if there are any) could be removed, then it's perfectly fine. Why are adhesions a problem? Because there is a possibility that they might fall off and cause terminally ailments from lung damage.
However Bais Yosef glatt holds differently and says that there may be no adhesions and even if you can remove them, the animal is still treif.
However, the majority of glatt kosher products don't hold by this and typically when we talk about glatt, we're talking about glatt kosher.
 
Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
@rosenjcb So same here. Switching to only Glatt makes meat cheaper than having two lines.
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
So, if it's a halacha for us not to eat meat from a terminally ill animal and we go by the rules of Ashkenazic glatt. Now here's the big question, "What's the difference between glatt kosher meat and non-glatt kosher meat?" There is none. Kosher meat, by definition, must be glatt if it is to fully follow halacha.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb When people talk about Glatt, they're talking about meat with no adhesions at all
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
5:27 PM
@Daniel That's only Bais Yosef glatt. Ashkenazim hold that adhesions may occur, but they must be removed.
All glatt means on a glatt kosher product is that there is extra supervision. It's an outright scam.
@Daniel Yes it is. Bais Yosef glatt kosher will have Bais Yosef on it. Regular Ashkenazi glatt will not.
There is a dinstinguishment between the two different types of glatt is whether or not if adhesions occur if they can be removed while making the animal still kosher.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb Right, I misread
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Okay. :)
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb But how do you get from A to B?
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel I'm not understanding.
 
Daniel
Daniel
Shechita
The Hebrew term shechita (anglicized: ; , ), also transliterated shehitah, shechitah, shehita, is the ritual slaughter of mammals and birds for food according to Jewish dietary laws (Deut. 12:21, Deut. 14:21, Num. 11:22) The animal must be killed "with respect and compassion" by a shochet (, "ritual slaughterer"), a religious Jew who is duly licensed and trained. The act is performed by severing the trachea, esophagus, carotid arteries, jugular veins and vagus nerve in a swift action using an extremely sharp blade ("chalef") only by a qualified shochet. This results in a rapid drop in bloo...
The last sentence of that linked section
Glatt means that there are no adhesions
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
5:32 PM
Just copy paste the sentence here. I'll read it once I'm done making my meat treife by smoking.
Wikipedia is a very dumbed down, paraphrase of complex issues.
Seriously though, brb.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb "Glatt means "smooth" in German and Yiddish. In the context of kosher meat, it refers to the smoothness, or lack of blemish, in the internal organs of the animal. In the case of a scab or lesion on a cow’s lungs specifically, there is debate between Ashkenazic customs and Sephardic customs."
" Ashkenazic Jews hold that if the patch can be removed (there are various methods of removing the patch and not all of them are acceptable even according to the Ashkenazic custom) and the lungs are still airtight ... then the animal is still kosher, while Sephardic Jews hold that if there is any sort of scabbing or lesion on the lungs, then the animal is not kosher. “Glatt” meat would literally mean that the animal has passed the stringent Sephardic requirements."
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Well the way that glatt is held by most kosher agencies is that it follows the Ashkenazic customs. If it's bais yosef glatt, then it'll say bais yosef on it.
 
Daniel
Daniel
5:48 PM
@rosenjcb I'm not sure you're right about that
Wikipedia and the rabbi who explained it all to me contradict you
I don't know what exactly bais yosef meat is
@rosenjcb Ahh I think this clarifies things:
If, after the shochet’s careful initial inspection, the lung was found to be free of adhesions, the animal is glatt kosher. Generally speaking, it was the custom of the Ashkenazi Jews of European descent to eat glatt and non-glatt meats and accept both as kosher. Certain Sephardic communities, of Spanish and Mid-Eastern descent, required an animal to be glatt in order to be considered kosher. This superior criteria is known as Bais Yosef Glatt.
That's from the Star-K article that I linked to before
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Yeah and this also explains the difference: kashrut.com/articles/glatt
Ever hear the phrase "chalak bais yosef?"
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb Yes, but I didn't know what it was
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Well now you do. :)
 
Daniel
Daniel
Anyway, it seems that the difference isn't so much what makes something glatt
But rather, Sephardim say that meat must be glatt in order for it to be kosher
which is Glatt Bais Yosef
Whereas Ashkenazim are consider either glatt or non-glatt to be kosher
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Well yes. However, glatt kosher as you usually see it kind of follow along the lines of bais yosef.
If the adhesions are too large, they won't accept it as glatt kosher.
 
Daniel
Daniel
5:55 PM
@rosenjcb It seems that the standards are the same
Unless I'm misunderstanding what the Star-K wrote
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel The standards are similar, but not the same. Sephardim are very unlikely to accept any adhesion as glatt kosher by their definition.
While Ashkenazim will accept some adhesions, but not all. There's a continuum problem that I'm seeing.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@rosenjcb "If, after the shochet’s careful initial inspection, the lung was found to be free of adhesions, the animal is glatt kosher"
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
I'm also relaying some of this from a friend that has been thinking of writing on the subject.
 
Daniel
Daniel
That's what Star-K writes
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@Daniel Yeah, but nobody really follows that definition. That's the formal definition.
 
Daniel
Daniel
5:56 PM
And is talking about both kinds
@rosenjcb I don't understand what you're talking about
That's what glatt is
if it doesn't have that, it's not glatt
According to any opinion
Ashkenazim hold that non-glatt is still kosher (although it's good to eat only glatt)
But, at least according to Star-K, if there are any adhesions, it's not glatt even for Ashkenazim
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
"It should be emphasized that the Ramah�s ruling is certainly legitimate and, in theory, non-glatt meat, if inspected properly, is 100% kosher for Ashkenazim. Today, the OU (and most other kashrut organizations in the U.S.) will only certify meat that is glatt, albeit not necessarily glatt Beit Yosef.
" from young animals must be glatt Beit Yosef, even for Ashkenazim."
Again, read this: kashrut.com/articles/glatt
 
Double AA
Double AA
6:39 PM
May I encourage both of you to learn the gemara and shulchan aruch instead of reconstructing the halachot from various articles and hearsay whose confusion causing capabilities are compounded by complicated semantic schemes and sets of titles used in the modern market?
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As usual, the Aruch Hashulchan provides useful summaries. See YD in the upper 30s.
 
Daniel
Daniel
@DoubleAA Thanks
 
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
7:03 PM
@DoubleAA why not the rambam :)
@Daniel glattki means it is smooth in russian
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
8:01 PM
@DoubleAA I've never read Aruch Hashulchan in entirety, but from my understanding, it contradicts MT in a lot of places.
Though my memory may be fuzzy.
 
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
8:16 PM
@rosenjcb well so does shulchon 3oruch and majid mishna if u look at their interpretations of rambam and their girsoth
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@MoriDoweedhYa3gob ShA follows by MT 95% of the time. It's an estimation with no empirical proof, but you get what I'm saying.
 
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
@rosenjcb i am learning hilchoth shabboth and was stuck on a few places on certain things. when looking at kesef mishna and majid mishna and then look at what mori gafi7 rights. its day and night
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@MoriDoweedhYa3gob Sorry, I'm not understanding you at all.
 
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
@rosenjcb the way people understood rambam is not the way rambam intended his holochoth to be understood
@rosenjcb therefore causing many poskim to misunderstand rambam and try to learn it their way. paskening their way when in reality it is not what rambam meant at all
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@MoriDoweedhYa3gob I see, I see.
That is certainly true. Many people fail to understand Rambam for whatever reason.
Like when they criticize him for not having sources. What's up with that?
 
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
8:21 PM
@rosenjcb :( people who pasken shouldnt be complaining bout sources for if they knew all torah they wouldnt be asking where he got his ideas from. and because they learned differently they shouldnt have been in the position of paskening at all :)
 
rosenjcb
rosenjcb
@MoriDoweedhYa3gob Amen.
 
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
MoriDoweedhYa3gob
@rosenjcb holocho hei paraq shavi3i
says one who cuts vegetables ma3at ma3at for cooking is liable
if i remember correctly kesef mishna(beith yosef) says this is not meant for cooking but to show the size one should cut during cooking and therefore before eating it is ok to cut it small but only before eating(30mins i think it was)
i forgot was majid mishna said already even though i was learning it yesterday. i think he says it is ossur period. cant cut it(dont quote me on this)
mori gafi7 says there are 3 categories in this: raw vegiies which you can eat without cutting to cook you can cut all day shabboth not only before eating
raw veggies which you cant eat normally but you have to cut, this is ossur and you cant cut these
raw fruits are fine since you dont need to cut them to cook them since they can be eaten raw
:)
for example he brings סלט
salads especially israeli salads are cut very tiny pieces and this can be considered to7ein
but in reality not since you are not really destroying the veggies. they can be eaten raw without cutting therefore cutting them up is not destroying them.
 
 
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Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
9:57 PM
@rosenjcb so?
He never claims to rule like the Rambam
@MoriDoweedhYa3gob umm.... sorry to break it, but most of those who complained about the Rambam knew Bavli well. They wrote their own peirushim on it too.
 
Shmuel Brin
Shmuel Brin
10:18 PM
Whatever
 
msh210
msh210
Anyone (not a mod) - What do you see at judaism.stackexchange.com/posts/29206/revisions please?
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 What am I looking for?
I see a revision with the comment: "User toggled feature status. Now: featured"
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod And more revisions below?
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 Yep. 3 revisions
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod Thank you!
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
10:26 PM
@msh210 No prob. What were you checking, OOC?
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod whether a mod sees them. That's not a post, it's the page judaism.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@msh210 s/mod/non-mod/ Ah, ok. Cool, I wonder if that's by-design/
 
msh210
msh210
@HodofHod Yeah, s/, like you said. Beats me.
Have a good day.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
You too :)
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
11:30 PM
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Q: Is the FAQ revision history meant to be fully public?

Grace NoteI don't know about the main Trilogy, but in Stack Exchange 2.0, diamonds can edit the FAQ's top section to insert extra wordings and stuff. Apparently, it consumes a post. I learned this because apparently the FAQ on Programmers is Post #1462. I don't have an account there, so it's fully visible...

support revisions-list activity-summary site-faq
@msh210: Looks like it's by-design.
 
HodofHod
HodofHod
@JonEricson Thanks! Interestingly, I think neither of them were SE employees at the time.
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
@HodofHod Huh. Good point!
 

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