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4:01 AM
posted on May 03, 2013

Today is thirty-eight days, which is five weeks and three days of the Omer. Today's attribute: Tiferes ShebeYesod

 
 
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2:54 PM
@Daniel thanks
@IsaacMoses Ha!
@HodofHod Thanks!
 
3:09 PM
This meta post was prompted by this deleted question, which has received one request to undelete. There hasn't been a lot of response on meta, but the voting is currently favoring the "undeleting should require an edit to improve it first" answer. Would anybody like to make such an edit to this question?
 
3:26 PM
What is the question?
 
@Daniel It's about pilagshim. You need 10k to see it
@MonicaCellio Note that edits should stray from making it a dupe of judaism.stackexchange.com/q/13984/759
 
@DoubleAA Yeah, that's why I was asking about it
 
@DoubleAA When did SE implement a rep requirement to see questions on sensitive topics?
 
@IsaacMoses It's a requirement to see deleted questions
 
@Daniel kidding :)
 
3:31 PM
@DoubleAA oh, thanks for pointing that out. I missed that in the comments before.
@Daniel you can see the similar question that DoubleAA linked. The text of the deleted question is: "Can someone have a concubine? If so, can one person have several of them?" It has one answer, and perhaps we should undelete in order to merge?
 
@MonicaCellio hmmm. It's not clear that that question is asking about today
 
Oh wait; forget what I said about the answer. It wasn't deleted along with the question; it was separately deleted for other reasons. So there's nothing to merge.
 
3:59 PM
@MonicaCellio Well, it was edited a few times. You're saying it should be edited further since deletion? What if some of the downvoters might have reversed their downvotes but did not get a chance to before the auto-deletion kicked in?
(I just had a flash of yesterday's discussion about herd mentality. Oy.)
Btw, in case anyone was curious, this exists:
 
@SethJ all of the pre-deletion edits occurred on Mar 28 and then community deleted on Apr 27. The votes are +2/-3 and we don't know when those occurred. I'm not sure what form the question should take if it comes back; I'm reacting to the top-voted meta answer saying the question should be changed from its pre-deletion state in some way (the "if it was good why was it auto-deleted?" reasoning).
I do note that the other meta answer (go ahead and give it a chance) has some support too. And, to complicate things, it may well be a duplicate anyway. So I'm not sure what to do in this case, hence the request for input.
 
@MonicaCellio I totally hear "if it was good why was it auto-deleted?" But the counterpoint to that could be that it got auto-deleted before downvotes could be reversed.
@MonicaCellio Yeah, I'm not sure about what to actually do here. I guess if someone wants to they can always re-ask it better.
(Including the OP.)
But Jim's been around here quite a bit, and he should be aware of that.
 
@MonicaCellio Aw man if it hadn't been deleted, we could have used the data explorer to find out when the votes came from
But then I guess we wouldn't be having this discussion
 
4:15 PM
@SethJ Indeed. It's important to remember the existence of this remedy, especially when the deleted material represents so little in the way of productive effort.
@MonicaCellio, I see very little positive value in re-opening this question. If someone's really interested in the topic, let them post a higher-quality question (or make this one into one).
 
4:32 PM
@IsaacMoses Touche.
 
@SethJ Just expanding on what you said.
 
@IsaacMoses ok, sounds good to me. Thanks all for the input.
 
4:58 PM
@MonicaCellio I flagged it originally because I thought the answer was OK. Then I saw that it was deleted on it's own (as a copyright violation). Now I'm not sure if it should be un-deleted.
 
@ShmuelBrin thanks. I didn't want to out you as the flagger and I saw you enter the room just after I made my last comment. I've cleared the flag but marked it as helpful, as it prompted the meta question and this discussion and that's good. If you'd like to ask a fresh question (that's not a duplicate of the other one linked here), please do!
 
@MonicaCellio, for some reason I thought I'd voted to undelete it.
(cc @ShmuelBrin)
 
@SethJ I'm not seeing a counter on the "undelete" link. Of course, that could be either that you didn't vote or you did but the counter isn't showing... (I assume that, as with delete and close votes, we're supposed to see the counter.)
 
 
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6:21 PM
Before I edit for spelling, is this some sort of Yiddish adaptation which I'm unaware of?
@HodofHod resident Yiddish expert
I assume it's a reference to 28:14 mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0128.htm#14
 
6:53 PM
@DoubleAA I think it's fair to edit. I doubt it's some adaptation; more likely a mispronunciation/mistransliteration.
@DoubleAA (There's more to correct than just spelling, if you read it more closely.)
 
Oy: using o for komatz and cholom is ugly
 
@DoubleAA So change the cholom to "oi". I doubt he'll mind.
 
@DoubleAA So, some would probably say, is using 'a' for both kamatz and patach. :)
 
@SethJ That hurts more
@IsaacMoses It's much rarer that that confusion affects the meaning, particularly if you notate gemination
 
@DoubleAA :)
 
7:03 PM
The whole things is really silly. o in English is the patach sound
Pot
Cot
Rot
The intended Kumatz sound is more like u
Rug
Tug
Mutt
 
@DoubleAA Fair enough, since kamatz gadol and patach are siblings. Kamatz katan, on the other hand (which does not appear in the phrase that's bothering you), is a sibling of cholam, is often pronounced accordingly, and is therefore more aptly transliterated with an 'o'.
@DoubleAA Or 'a', as in "barn" or "Khan"
 
@IsaacMoses For me Khan has the same vowel as pot
 
@DoubleAA Yes. Me, too.
 
@IsaacMoses That's not how people usually think of a. It's more like apple or bag
Just becaue we can spell fish ghoti doesn't mean that's natural
 
Actually, in Boston English, Ashkenazic kamatz gadol is often used for 'o', as in "You can't park your car in Harvard yard. It ain't a parking lot." -> "'Y can't pahk 'y cah in Hahvahd yahd. It ain't a pahking lawt."
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7:08 PM
@DoubleAA "Ch" for ח is silly, too. On vacation in Puerto Rico, I was informed by the hotel concierge that "Shabad" had delivered my meal. I recommended that the concierge think of the first consonant, and pronounce it, as he would a "J".
 
@DoubleAA what? Those are totally different. I lack the linguistic vocabulary to explain how, though. :-(
 
@SethJ True, but non-native sounds are always harder
 
7:39 PM
@DoubleAA You're obviously not British.
 
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Q: Is unmasking an anonymous author addressed by Halacha?

Isaac MosesIf an individual writes a document for public consumption anonymously or pseudonymously and either explicitly or presumably desires to remain anonymous, is there a Halachic issue with publicly unmasking the author, or with publicly assembling information about the author toward the goal of unmask...

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7:54 PM
@DoubleAA .........no. Just no.
 
@IsaacMoses He's really going after everyone, isn't he?
 
@IsaacMoses :)
 
@SethJ Oh, yeah. Weren't you talking about summarization as a learning technique recently somewhere?
 
Apr 10 at 14:39, by Seth J
@eykanal Create your own summaries. I had a great class in high school in which we had to write 5 line summaries of 5 Perakim per week. We were then quizzed each Friday, and nearly everyone did surprisingly well - and at least I retained most of what I learned. We did this for Neviim Rishonim only, but hey, once you get through that you might find yourself able to continue on or modify your style to better suit the more esoteric Nevuoth of Neviim Aharonim.
 
8:07 PM
@SethJ Nice. Thanks!
 
I am, indeed, from Australia :) Didn't know I was making that obvious! Thanks, Double AA and Dave for the info about the Rema and about the Mishna. You are both correct, though as far as the Rema goes, it seems as though the mechaber (62:1) is effectively saying there what I thought the Rema was saying on the previous passage anyway. I shall have to read it more closely. — Shimon bM Jun 29 '12 at 4:23
 
helloes!
 
@Charlie Hi!
 
@Charlie hi there!
 
@IsaacMoses hi, how are you?
 
8:15 PM
@Charlie Hi
 
@Daniel Hi, DAniel!
@SethJ hi!
 
haha this must be the most extended greeting in the history of SE chat :)
 
great!
how are you guys doing?
 
@Charlie Fine, thanks. And you?
 
Everytime I come here I remember this song
@IsaacMoses I'm fine, too
 
8:20 PM
@Charlie I don't have speakers here. What song is that?
 
@Charlie That Idan Raichel stuff is awesome. Why that song in particular?
 
אולי בקרוב, אולי אחרי החגים
מי יודע, מי יודע
@Daniel Balailah
 
@Charlie Aha! 8^D
 
@Charlie Hmm I don't think I know it. I'm not a big I"R fan
@Charlie That's funny though :)
 
@Daniel Oh! A friend once showed me "hinach Yafa" I loved, couldn't stop listening to his work
ובלילה, בלילה
בשעות הקטנות
התפילות הפשוטות מבקשות
בלילה, בלילה
לחכות לתשובות
כדי למצוא עוד סיבה לקוות
 
8:23 PM
@Charlie I'm actually not sure if I've heard that song, and like @Daniel, I can't listen right now, but those look like pretty lyrics
 
@IsaacMoses yup, I think all his lyrics are pretty good
 
Sometimes I wonder if it's way easier to be an Israeli song writer than an American one because it's so easy to make Hebrew words rhyme
 
it seems!
@Daniel studying hebrew, I realized a certain similarity with portuguese
 
@Charlie haha I'm guessing that's coincedental. I don't think they're related
 
@Daniel yeah, it is funny
 
8:26 PM
@Daniel Not closely, but I think Portugese and Spanish both have Arabic influences
 
@Daniel are you a programmer?
 
@Charlie Yes I am
@IsaacMoses That makes sense
 
@Daniel Fascinating!
 
@Charlie haha why do you say that?
I think many of the people here are
although I'm not sure
 
@Daniel Hehe I'm an applied mathematics student.
 
8:31 PM
@Charlie I think the SE network naturally atracts the technical crowd
Since it all started with SO after all
 
@Daniel hehe yes!
 
Although I wonder what percentage of SE users know what a stack overflow is anymore haha
I think SO has become less helpful as it has grown. There are too many questions coming in too fast
 
@Daniel just like the MSE
so many questions
many of them are not very...pleasant
 
@Charlie MSE? Is that the math stack exchange site?
 
@Daniel precisely
 
8:39 PM
@IsaacMoses Yup.
 
I found out that my name is a hebrew variation (or arabic)
though I was never sure the right origin of it
I even read once it was a variation of Myriam
 
@Daniel I've used SO forever, but I've only ever had to ask one question, and that was because I was just being thick. It's greatest virtue is that all the generally applicable questions have been asked, you just have to find it.
 
@HodofHod True, but there are certain topics that are lacking. For example, the questions about CUDA are usually very application specific and usually just a kind of silly mistake that the OP made
There were very few questions about Racket until recently
@Charlie Charlie is Hebrew? Of what?
 
@Daniel Charlie is not my name :P
 
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Q: Regular (non-moderator) users should be able to override deletions by Community user

Shmuel BrinThere is a question on Judaism.SE that got deleted by the Community user. This question isn't terrible (we have worse one's there), and I'm not complaining about this question in particular. I wanted to vote to undelete it. However, it says "A moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be und...

 
8:51 PM
@Charlie Ah ok. Tricky :)
 
@Daniel it's the portuguese version of Marilyn :P
 
@HodofHod Plus, when there are so many questions, it's often hard to find the right one
 
@Daniel Right. Their biggest problem is search. They've been saying it for a while; I've been told in person by SE that that's what they want to fix.
 
@HodofHod how can that possibly be fixed?
 
@Charlie Well I find that usually the easiest way to search for things is to use google
search terms here site:stackoverflow.com
 
8:58 PM
@ShmuelBrin thanks! Looks like I did see it before (as I'd already upvoted it), but had forgotten. It's impossible to stay up to date on MSO, it seems...
 
hmmmmmm
 
@Charlie They need competent search engineers. Problem is apparently that those are hard to come by.
 
@HodofHod aah, I see
 
@HodofHod Certainly seems that way, since it seems like the ones at Google are really the only ones who have figured it out
 
Well the truth is, the simplest way to make a huge improvement to their search would be to incorporate synonyms and mispellings into results. Right now, those are completely ignored. Just building a database of synonyms would improve it tremendously.
 
9:30 PM
@isaacmoses About the question you made: so, if I understood, you could not "spread" something, an information if you were told not to
suppose you were not acknowledged of the importance that a certain information has, plus, you never knew that it could not be brought to light
 
@Charlie write it as a comment
 
@ShmuelBrin thanks :)
did it
I have nothing against other religions, but if you are in a certain context, as it mentioned, I believe that a certain sensitivity is required, keeping our belief aside (or inside) to prevent a unpleasant situation.
I think the right word is respect
 
9:48 PM
@Charlie I'm confused
what are you saying?
 
@Daniel hehe did you see the question?
 
@Charlie Yes. I just don't understand that chat message
 
@Daniel okay. it was said:"I do not believe the editing of the question to "place it in a Jewish context" is appropriate"
I believe it is
Context is important, everywhere, not just here
 
@Charlie I see. You were responding to the end of his post
 
@Daniel yes, yes
 
9:59 PM
Alright, I'm out. Good shabbos, everybody
See you all on the other side
 
@Daniel Bye, have a good shabbat
 
10:41 PM
Hi @Argon !!!!!!
 
@Charlie Hi
 
Hello Argon :)
Should we hold our breath?
 
@HodofHod AWESOME
 
@Argon I'm sorry, you probably get that joke all the time :(
 
@HodofHod yes, most of them came from me :)
 
10:54 PM
I think I annoyed him away :(
 
@HodofHod I think he's fine
relax
 
11:48 PM
@HodofHod Hehe, don't worry, I left before you wrote that comment
Good Shabbos everyone
 
@Argon Good Shabbos!
 

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