V'dibarta Bam

2:23 AM

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I propose pets as a weekly topic challenge. Pets present a number of halacha-related questions; specific aspects of (or circumstances that come with) pet ownership may present more. Then there are the historical questions, the philosophical questions, etc.

Vram

3:59 AM

@HachamGabriel from where (other than me) did you hear about Rav BH?

Hacham Gabriel

@Vram never heard of him

It seems you are related?

Vram

@HachamGabriel not sure where you heard that one...

Hacham Gabriel

Tzvi Hirschberg; when he said you last name it is the same

(sorry for the messed grammar there)

Vram

he said my last name is BH??

interesting...

Hacham Gabriel

Yes, and that's all he said. I was in a hurry.

Vram

4:14 AM

Rav BH's kid was in my class in HS

Hacham Gabriel

So I'm guessing you aren't related.

msh210

5:31 AM

@HachamGabriel, you can delete any of your comments on the site by clicking the "X" next to it. ♦ moderators will still be able to see it.

Vram

@msh210 if you're referring to those flags that was me

Isaac Moses

12:38 PM

@Vram I recommend that you take it up first with the comments' author.

Hacham Gabriel

2:02 PM

Sorry guys, I don't really understand what's going on here. Care to explain?

Stack Exchange

3:32 PM

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Q: Can we mail a specific person

Rather than asking questions openly? Say a person has an interesting comment and you want to know more. We don't have "pm" like other forums do we?

feature-request status-declined

Neal

4:11 PM

Anyone?

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Q: Bli Neder Loophole

Who came up with the Bli Neder loophole of: Bli neder I will help you do X Or Bli neder I will etc... And the list can go on and on. Who came up with addingBli Neder which basically means "Without a promise" to things that seem like promises?! Does that remove one from the obligatio...

halacha words nedarim-vows

msh210

@Neal I'm guessing there's an answer, somewhere, and it just needs research.

Rebecca Chernoff

7:20 PM

Hi! (:

Double AA

7:39 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Hi Rebecca

Rebecca Chernoff

how's it going @DoubleAA?

Double AA

Good thanks. Ive only got a minute now. Were you wondering something specific or just looking to chat?

Rebecca Chernoff

just hanging out in preparation for some coming shenanigans whistles innocently

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Double AA

@RebeccaChernoff Ahh ok. (I asked because I don't see you around here much)

Enjoy your shenanigans!

Rebecca Chernoff

I am everywhere and nowhere. Or something like that.

Vram

8:45 PM

Woah what did you do?

HodofHod

@RebeccaChernoff sorry, didn't see you there

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

msh210

@RebeccaChernoff Looking good.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Vram there will be a meta post in a few seconds

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Q: Your New Beta Theme

Your site looks a bit different today. The design changes are a "sneak peek" at the new Stack Exchange Beta theme. Yes, we are getting rid of the 'Sketchy' look and replacing it with a more-polished and finished design for sites in beta. We chose Judaism SE to premiere this new theme because we ...

discussion design

HodofHod

why am I still getting cdn.sstatic.net/judaism/img/favicon.ico instead of cdn.sstatic.net/judaism/img/favicon.ico?v=2 on the main site?

sorry, nitpicking is my expertise

msh210

8:57 PM

@HodofHod I've mentioned this in an answer to the question rebecca just oneboxed.

Stack Exchange

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Q: Your New Beta Theme

Your site looks a bit different today. The design changes are a "sneak peek" at the new Stack Exchange Beta theme. Yes, we are getting rid of the 'Sketchy' look and replacing it with a more-polished and finished design for sites in beta. We chose Judaism SE to premiere this new theme because we ...

discussion featured design

Rebecca Chernoff

which I just commented on

refresh the page, I edited the question to add instructions

since favicons change so rarely, browsers cache them like crazy.

HodofHod

@msh210 sorry, sorry, I was busy refreshing and deleting cache

@RebeccaChernoff interesting the chat one worked without me doing anything

@balpha Hello! good to see you here :-)

balpha

hi

@HodofHod it's the identical file

chat steals it from the main site

HodofHod

@balpha Which is why it's weird that the chat page's favicon is the new one, yet the main page's is still sketchy

balpha

9:01 PM

ah, chat appends a cache breaker

I wonder why we do that... doesn't make much sense

in this case it's good though

msh210

@RebeccaChernoff Followed 'em. Didn't work.

HodofHod

@msh210 same

Rebecca Chernoff

@msh210 did you do a hard refresh?

msh210

@RebeccaChernoff Ja.

Rebecca Chernoff

refresh harder!

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msh210

9:04 PM

:-)

HodofHod

@RebeccaChernoff I'm giving her all she's got, Cap'n!

@balpha Sorry, not picking up the vernacular. I assume a cache breaker is something that forces the browser to ignore the cache and reload something each time. is that the "?v=63c0bb6d127" at the end of the link?

balpha

yep

because that number changed recently (when chat was build), your browser thinks it's a new file and re-downloads

HodofHod

@balpha If i'm understanding this properly, it seems the sprites on the main page also got a cache breaker cdn.sstatic.net/beta/img/sprites.png?v=3

balpha

yes, but the favicon doesn't

Menachem

@RebeccaChernoff: It seems like there's a lot of empty space in the header, above and below the title

HodofHod

9:11 PM

@balpha interesting. what exactly do these appended things like "?v=3" or "s=32&d=identicon&r=PG" mean? Is it html? php? I'm sorry, my knowledge of this stuff is very weak. I've been wondering this for a while. ever since I realized you can start appending different tab names to the users page, and get different results: judaism.stackexchange.com/users?tab=activity

msh210

Query string

In the World Wide Web, a query string is the part of a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) that contains data to be passed to web applications such as CGI programs. When a web page is requested via the Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the server locates a file in its file system based on the requested URL. This file may be a regular file or a program. In the second case, the server may (depending on its configuration) run the program, sending its output as the required page. The query string is a part of the URL which is passed to the program. Its use permits data to be passed from the HTTP clie...

balpha

it's really just cheating. To your browser, x.png?v=1 and x.png?v=2 look like different files. To our server, there's no difference.

HodofHod

@msh210 Why thank you!

@balpha so why does it work on the users page? why is that sorting method even available there?

balpha

so by changing the query string, you're asking the browser to re-download the image, because it thinks it's a new one that it doesn't have cached yet

Shmuel Brill

@msh210 side point. can you merge the two mochin rechavims?

msh210

9:14 PM

@ShmuelBrill I was just looking at doing so, but don't know for certain they're identical.

balpha

@HodofHod oh, no, that's not quite the same thing -- you see, the query strings have an actual purpose, that's what you see on the users page. Using a query string as a cache breaker is actually just abusing it.

HodofHod

@balpha Ah, I see. But I still don't understand why the site accepts a query string that that it wasn't meant to, e.g. "?tab=activity"? (I took it from the meta site, so maybe that's why, but then why is there no link on the main?)

balpha

It does accept it. When I said "To our server, there's no difference", that's a bit simplified. There's no difference if you're downloading a static file, e.g. an image. On dynamically generated results, like all the actual pages of the site, query strings are indeed looked at.

HodofHod

@balpha Aha, and processed, even where they're not meant to. Interesting

msh210

Reminder:

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Q: Volunteer needed: Host Parashat Hashavua' Chat

Until recently, I usually served as unofficial host for the Parashat Hashavua' Chat. Unfortunately, it seems that for the foreseeable future, I won't be able to attend. Would you be willing to take over this job, to help keep the Chat running smoothly? Here are the administrative tasks I would u...

discussion featured chat

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Incidentally, hi, @GeoffDalgas @Szabolcs. Welcome! :-)

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Stack Exchange

9:51 PM

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Q: Whose reputation?? (on privileges page)

The page http://judaism.stackexchange.com/privileges/user/-1 says "Your reputation" rather than "Community's reputation".

bug design privileges

Szabolcs

@msh210 I'm just a goy curious about the new site design ;-)

msh210

@Szabolcs Well, welcome anyway. :-) In case you haven't seen it: meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/862

HodofHod

10:18 PM

@msh210 Is the new favicon showing up for you?

Hello @Jin and thanks again for the nice new look :-)

Jin

@HodofHod my pleasure. although this isn't your final look :)

HodofHod

@Jin I do hope not, but the change is still welcome. I'll try not to get too used to it.

Jin

@HodofHod did you see the new stackexchange.com redesign that was also rolled out today?

blog.stackexchange.com has been redesigned also.

HodofHod

@Jin I did! Rchern pointed both out to me earlier. Very nice :-)

msh210

@HodofHod Yes, @Jin, thanks!

Jin

10:27 PM

@HodofHod @msh210 thank you for your feedback and bug reports on the new theme.

if you find anything else, please keep posting in that same Meta thread.

msh210

@HodofHod No.

HodofHod

@msh210 what browser are you using?

Jin

chrome tends to cache favicons pretty hard

msh210

@HodofHod Firefox 10.0.2 on a Mac.

Jin

cdn.sstatic.net/judaism/img/favicon.ico

go to that url and hard refresh, then visit the main site and hard refresh again

cdn.sstatic.net/judaismmeta/img/favicon.ico <- meta favicon

HodofHod

10:30 PM

@msh210 don't know about macs. try something like command or shift + reload

msh210

@Jin Hm, I did that process before and then I still had the Sketchy one, but now I did the same process again and it's fine. :-)

@HodofHod command shift R (in Firefox. Can't speak for other browsers).

HodofHod

@msh210 ahh.

@msh210 Windows chrome is Ctrl+F5

Jin

i use cmd+R for Chrome OS X

Rebecca Chernoff

I use shift+f5 in chrome

HodofHod

@Jin is that regular refresh or hard refresh?

Jin

10:34 PM

i think it's hard refresh

HodofHod

@RebeccaChernoff yeah they both work

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A: How to force refresh without cache in Google Chrome?

Chrome documentation states that Ctrl+F5 or Shift+F5 should do "Reloads your current page, ignoring cached content. " If it is not working, you can file a bug report, but it looks like quite a few other people are having the same issue. [Existing bug log on this issue]

Rebecca Chernoff

10:44 PM

@HodofHod indeedily.

Neal

Whoa. funky theme now

msh210

@Neal Like that Medina thing.

Neal

@msh210 ?

msh210

@Neal The drink. Funky cold Medina.

Neal

@msh210 no idea what that is

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A: Your New Beta Theme

On the bottom corner of the chat the logo seems forced: Maybe remove the white box from around the logo, or lighten the general background (I am not sure of the way to go about this, but there must be some way so it fits seamlessly)

msh210

11:06 PM

Funky Cold Medina

"Funky Cold Medina" is a hip hop song written by Young MC, Michael L. Ross and Matt Dike, and first performed by Tone Lōc. It was the second single from Lōc's debut album Lōc-ed After Dark (1989). The single was released on March 18, 1989, and rose to #3 on the Billboard Hot 100 the following month. It peaked on the UK Singles Chart at #13 in May of that year. The song title refers to a fictional aphrodisiac, which is presented in the accompanying video as a steaming love potion. The lyrics tell the tale of Lōc's initially unsuccessful attempts to attract women. At the suggestion of a b...

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