@ChristianHupfer don't worry my friend, I got it :-)

@DavidCarlisle So Frank messed up the float mechanism somehow?

What's the TeX or LaTeX command to indicate a space character, as in the TeX - Book? (You know, this half open box ;-) )

@ChristianHupfer \verb*| |

(In LaTeX at least)

@JosephWright Thanks... I think I found \textvisiblespace as well

@ChristianHupfer That's what I was going to suggest.

@egreg Thanks ... looking into symbols.pdf helps ;-)

@ChristianHupfer You have to at least admit, that the name change was a good idea.

@Johannes_B Name change?

@ChristianHupfer The template was always called that way, but the class wasn't.

@Johannes_B Ah, once again one of your comments out of context ;-)

@ChristianHupfer It made sense in my head :-)

@Johannes_B That's nice -- for you ;-)

@ChristianHupfer That template was the horror in the past, and now that i am working on it, it is even more horror.

@Johannes_B I am coming to the conclusion that you have a strange obsession on... templates ?

@ChristianHupfer Templates freak me out.

@Johannes_B Apparently ... ;-)

@ChristianHupfer At least there are no hard coded strings to put stuff in the toc anymore.

@Johannes_B Will you use this template for your own thesis one day too? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer We have our own templates here at TUBAF.

@Johannes_B Any plans to use them ... one fine day in future? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer not really. I started hacking them in the past by building a wrapper class and preventing packages from loading, but ... not worth it.

Use them for the titlepage and that's it.

@Johannes_B Oh man ... I am trying to get you back to your studies and not wasting your time on templates :D

@ChristianHupfer :-)

@Johannes_B University of DUCKBURG? :D :D

@ChristianHupfer I simply hate answers containing Bla Bla :-)

@ChristianHupfer Guess what i am just looking at.

@Johannes_B the first perfect template ever? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer It's the dtx fiile that generates the ecs classes. ecsthesis was later transfomed into a template. And let's face it, the dtx file is completely alright.

Well, i am at 50 %, i don't know what will come.

This will please @egreg: \newcommand{\e}{\ensuremath{\epsilon}\xspace}

@Johannes_B I think, @egreg just fainted ....

@ChristianHupfer Possibly :-) The rest of the file was an included bst-file.

@ChristianHupfer I needed some minutes to recover!

@Johannes_B Is there also \def\c{\ensuremath{\gamma}\xspace}?

@egreg Don't know, but please don't check for yourself.

@JosephWright not sure, It isn't clearly messed up, it's clear;y different (and a worse break in this case) but if something ends up being 1sp bigger and flips the page breaker to a different path, that isn't necessarily a bug, but it might be, haven't traced it yet, just checked I could reproduce.

@Johannes_B I will keep far away from that code.

@egreg all my best commands in one small expression: excellent.

@egreg Will be better that way, trust me.

@DavidCarlisle I thought though that the change was only meant to affect two-column floats or mixed 1/2 cases, so the all-one-column approach should be unchanged

@JosephWright yes but I suspect a different change where we messed with \prevdepth

@DavidCarlisle Ah

@JosephWright see \addpenalty changed, who knows what effect that has:-)

@DavidCarlisle Not that: if you use the old definition you still get the altered breaking

@JosephWright it's esphack horizontal space changed....

@JosephWright gnats mail coming up...

@egreg Maybe you can enjoy a bit of the following: github.com/johannesbottcher/templateConfusion/blob/master/…

@Johannes_B: That ToC - guy still gave no feedback

@Johannes_B Issuing an explicit \lhead command after starting a chapter is what I call a good user interface. ;-)

@egreg Yep :-)

@Johannes_B I think that fancyhdr introduced the better \fancyhead command more than 10 years ago. What's ludicrous in that code is having to add the chapter number by hand.

@JosephWright not floats at all, in the end:-)

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Caused by having two space hacks in a row? Is the section header also involved?

@HarishKumar: :D :D

@JosephWright no just \hspace{something)\@esphack then later explicit tests looking at \lastskip, and seeing 0pt instead of 14pt and doing something different

@ChristianHupfer: I feel outdated :P

@DavidCarlisle Bug in subfig then?

@egreg the mentioned updated template uses scrlayer-scrpage for which helpers on site will simply love the guy who did that.

@JosephWright I was looking at tracing rather than the source files, but some combination of llncs +caption+subfig does do it wrong (but then caption does warn it doesn't recognise the class and might do the wrong thing) so not really sure it's a bug in any one place.

I leave it to @DavidCarlisle and his knowledge of MS paint to get rid of that '+' sign ;-)

@DavidCarlisle: Cheater :-P

@ChristianHupfer well I used tikz of course

@DavidCarlisle ... says the man who stated recently he has no idea about tikz ;-)

@ChristianHupfer That's the problem of logical paradoxes. You know I don't always tell the truth, but do I always lie?

@ChristianHupfer actually I didn't cheat and did exactly as asked, and used MS Paint:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but ... the left side of the oval box .. it's to small :-P

@ChristianHupfer that's what happens if you drag something by eye:-)

@ChristianHupfer good score for a day

@DavidCarlisle ;-) Only from this morning of course ..

@DavidCarlisle :D

@UlrikeFischer that's easy: blame @JosephWright

@UlrikeFischer there were some name changes for \exp_continue etc the other day, I thought I saw a fix for that, a few renames were missed first time, let me check the sources

@UlrikeFischer new name is \exp_end_continue_f:w (I think:-)

@UlrikeFischer it's OK in the sources

@UlrikeFischer I'll update CTAN later on

@DavidCarlisle This one is Frank's fault :-)

If I downloaded the entire miktex distribution, is there some way to keep in synchronized with the repo?

@JoeStavitsky You don't simply download, you install the distribution. The install manager does take care of everything and sets up a package manager that you can use to update your MikTeX distribution (or rather the LaTeX packages).

@Johannes_B, so I may only use the distro on the system I "downlaoded" to? That is....sad

@JoeStavitsky What exactly are you trying to do?

First, copy it to another system (or optimally put it on a usb) then synchronize it at a later date

@JoeStavitsky You are looking for MikTeX portable, which does exactly that.

Johan: ah ok ty

i just had to laugh so loud reading this short thread: latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=89216#p89216

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle: So Frank is the man who one can gratulate to avoid the missing item error here tex.stackexchange.com/questions/237551/….

@UlrikeFischer (@Werner) using xgalley to avoid that error is like using a half built, half designed, supersonic rocket to cross the street. It might work, perhaps.

Good maen

@DavidCarlisle actually it is l3galley which does the work.

@UlrikeFischer same thing:-)

@DavidCarlisle l3galley is in the main OK (though display remains outstanding)

@UlrikeFischer I'll update CTAN tomorrow

@JosephWright but would you use it to avoid a missing item error:-)

@DavidCarlisle That's a different thing

@DavidCarlisle Working on format mode at the moment :-)

@JosephWright just pushed an update of fix2col to ctan (first since 1998, apparently)

@DavidCarlisle That should always work... :)

Hey master David, I couldn't make that TEXTINPUT thing work, i'v read many posts on different sites, seems complicated for windows user

@G.Bay you could just set TEXINPUTS=.//: in your environment (in the system control panel) or as I say edit texmf.cnf, but if it doesn't work out \graphicspath is there as an alternative:-)

@DavidCarlisle Thanks i will try now. Must i reboot or anything like that to apply?

@G.Bay shouldn't have to with windows these days, should apply to any applications that start after you change the setting, although I'm on windows I don't use the windows texlive binaries (I use cygwin) but they all work the same way, basically.

@DavidCarlisle It works! It seems like as I read on some UK site, that windows requires to be " .//; " , but in the end all I needed was to restart TexStudio which I didn't yesterday. Many thanks.

@JosephWright Is there any equivalent to \nobreak in expl3?

@UlrikeFischer No “typesetting commands” yet.

@egreg How would you write \penalty 10000 in a expl3 context? Simply as it is? Or is there some sensible translation?

@UlrikeFischer There's no expl3 version of \penalty, except the :D one.

I can't get dextrify to detect this - I want to make a sideways 'T' to indicate a conclusion in propositional calc

does anyone know how to do this symbol?

@G.Bay oops yes I knew (somewhere,subconciously:-) about ; same as path, need : for c: so uses ; as separator.

@DavidCarlisle And should this work to any level of subfolders ?

@G.Bay that's what // means, yes

i think it's called an assertion actually

vdash might be it

@DavidCarlisle Cool, many thanks sir :) I'v devoted to convert some fellows in my lab, to use LaTeX, the more I learn the better

hmm, that didn't work

Oh no all good - that's worked :)

@baxx unicode has assertion and vdash as slightly different characters, pick one from:

w3c.github.io/xml-entities/2007doc/022.html

thanks @DavidCarlisle , \vdash seems to have done the job

@UlrikeFischer horizontal then just as it is really, vertical the plan would be to use galley for all vertical contexts where you can't allow primitive \penalty access (or any direct access to the vertical list) that's the whole point of the galley code (and why it is hard to integrate into 2e)