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9:03 PM
@Iplodman Do you use TeX for your school matters?
 
Central Jamaica, Isle road.
CRAP.
;)
Yep, LaTeX for school documents.
 
@Iplodman Good!
 
Some of my friends don't see the value in it ;-;
 
@Iplodman After writing my PhD thesis with crappy software, I decided to learn TeX: unfortunately it was unavailable when I had to write the thesis. :(
I could use it on the university's mainframe, but it was a pain: the only terminal was a VT100 with green phosphor screen.
 
I consider MS Word some of the worst software out there.
The hacker trope style?
 
9:11 PM
@Iplodman There's also Pwpt. :)
@Iplodman I don't think you can really imagine what's working on a VT100. :)
@PauloCereda The sledgehammer piano concerto!
But András Schiff is playing, not the main hammerer Ivo Pogorelić.
114
Q: How was TeX output visualised on screen, back in the day?

JubobsI've been using LaTeX for about two years; I'm only learning TeX now, to get a better understanding of the foundations. In Chapter 6 : Running TeX of his TeXbook (more specifically, on page 23), Knuth writes about how to get started with TeX: Go to the lab where the graphic output device is...

 
Woah, that's cool!
 
@SeanAllred Not exactly, Tor is the name of the Norse god of thunder (and some other stuff), aka Thor. Bjørn means bear though, that is correct. (Edit: Ah, you're actually right, I see the name actually comes from a Germanic word for thunder.)
 
@PauloCereda Match suspended: Croatian fans are launching smoke bombs.
 
9:27 PM
Oh, football. For a sport that consists of a lump of dead cow, a couple dozen people and two nets it's surprisingly violent.
 
@percusse obviously I knew that really. I didn't get a silver badge for nothing.
 
@Iplodman Crazy people.
 
@Iplodman mostly this room sticks to cricket, but we tolerate a bit of football discussion, sometimes.
 
I don't mind playing FIFA or IRL football, but I can't watch it.
Airsoft is my sport of choice c:
 
@PauloCereda Another piano badly needs repairs. ;-)
 
9:43 PM
@TorbjørnT. :) I would say the Thor/thunder bit is somewhat moot – with what little I know of linguistics / linguistic anthropology, Thor/thunder might as well be the same word. The distinction probably arose sometime later.
Though I did make sure to find a bear with Mjolnir. :)
 
hello, everybody
 
@tohecz London fun? (sorry couldn't really get there this weekend)
 
@tohecz Hey! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle no worries. Yep, it's been fine so far. Actually it was London only today. Before there was no rain which means that the city is no London
@Iplodman hello :) I'm not sure we've met before here ... ? :)
 
@tohecz hardly ever rains in Britain
 
9:47 PM
@tohecz Nope, but pleased to meet you!
To sum up me: Python, Poetry, Java.
That's about all of my interests >:)
And yours?
 
@Iplodman lol. I quite like Python, but for me it's mostly a tool that brings me to Sage. Then I like LaTeX (actually got a LaTeX-related job), piano, organ and guitar :)
 
@cfr Deeply sorry, I was absent for a while. :( We would like to interview you for the next TeXtalk. :)
@egreg: oh my, the shame!
 
@DavidCarlisle especially if the Czech Rep. (almost) wins an Euro qual. group :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, fewer damages than when Pogorelić plays.
 
@egreg :)
 
9:52 PM
@tohecz Yes, against Iceland!
 
@DavidCarlisle Concerning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/212498/… My orthography is messy as always. To be honest, i didn't test the example, but using the internal interface of KOMA-script won't at least break the indent feature (whatever the real option is).
 
@egreg having beaten Holland on the way there. (And needed to say, Iceland's got 9 points so ...)
 
@DavidCarlisle vvvvvv ;-)
3
A: Non numbered chapter* header issue

Johannes_BStarred chapters (and sections) don't get a number, nor a toc entry, nor a header. Problem is, the header is not cleared automatically. You have to do that manually using \markboth{}{}. But from your example i can see that you want a toc entry and i think also a header. You could implement that. ...

 
@egreg and Italy still unsure about getting there...
 
@tohecz A LaTeX related job? That's pretty awesome!
 
9:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle Oh, that was the wrong one. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/193767/…
 
@Johannes_B sure But as an answer it's probably clearer if I just use the MWE and add \refstepcounter but sounds like the \addthingy is what should be used really, you could always make another answer
 
What kind of stuff do you write?
 
@Iplodman quite. Well, it's a part-time and I might drop it at some point quite soon
 
@DavidCarlisle I am at the local students club. Maybe tomorrow ;-)
 
@tohecz Hey!
 
9:57 PM
@egreg isn't it true?
(sorry, I'm not really a football fan, but the fact that we are about to win a Euro group is IMHO ridiculous)
 
I'll have to go soon, I sit in the hotel bar as the room WiFi is not free.
 
@egreg: I think David also doesn't tell his real age. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not even trying heh. I never thought I would have something to offer :)
 
@percusse apart from horses heads?
 
10:11 PM
Upon advice from @PauloCereda, I am now four hundred and sixty eight.
 
@DavidCarlisle Well if civilized methods are exhausted I have to report back to my consigliere
 
@Iplodman Only DEAD people can read hexadecimal. :)
 
@PauloCereda Do I need to convert that at this time of the night? I'm on the shift for the TikZ mafia tonight. :P
 
@Iplodman a word of warning for internet usage: don't take advice from ducks wielding cricket bats
 
I don't get that joke, but I think you're going to try and kill me to be used in your hexidecimal convertor :O
Ah, @DavidCarlisle! I hear you're quite the poet >:)
 
10:14 PM
@PauloCereda 57005
 
1 min ago, by David Carlisle
@Iplodman a word of warning for internet usage: don't take advice from ducks wielding cricket bats
 
@tohecz Uh-oh. :)<3
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
@percusse <3
 
P.S: My mother is a baseball bat wielding duck on the internet, and I feel offended.
 
10:15 PM
now I gotta go, the battery is short, and I should go to bed anyways, getting up at 7.30 tomorrow
 
@DavidCarlisle quack!
 
!!/bring justice with a bat
 
btw, getting Nicola's book as a present for my brother (he's an English teacher) :)
 
@percusse Wait, I'll bring Psmith. :)
 
!!/baberuth dem kriminals
 
10:16 PM
!!/fortune
 
@percusse Or rather, bring a baseball bat with your justice.
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: The fortune you seek is in another cookie.
 
!!/start from Iplodman
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command start does not exist.
!!/eight should Iplodman take advices from us?
 
!!/do your thing
 
10:17 PM
@PauloCereda **Psmith, the TeX bot:** I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command `eight` does not exist.
@percusse **Psmith, the TeX bot:** I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command `do` does not exist.
!!/eightball should Iplodman take advice from us?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: totally.
 
!!/answer iplodman
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Plowman  (surname)
rank | 8539th
fraction | 1 in 75758 people (0.0013%)
number | 3552 people
(based on 2000 United States Census)
white | 96.51%
Hispanic | 1.55%
mixed | 1.04%
Amerindian | 0.48%
Asian | 0.25%
black | 0.17%
Anna-Louise Plowman  (actor) (born 1975) (age: 39 years)
 
!!/cricket
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: Oh no! We have an invalid command //cricket here.
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Tasmania v Western Australia 231/4 *
- Queensland 326/3 * v New South Wales
- South Australia 304/4 * v Victoria
- India Women 211/1 * v South Africa Women
- India 288/7  v Sri Lanka 286/8
- Dolphins 82/10  v Knights
- New Zealand v Pakistan

Our cricket expert David might explain these results later on.
 
My God, is `!!` a TeX thing I'm not aware of?
 
10:18 PM
I guess we caught him looking at some plowman lady...
bad robot bad bad robot
 
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good night! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
@Iplodman ^^
 
@Iplodman no some javascript cooked up by our resident duck
 
Oh yeah? What's it do? :D
 
cfr
@PauloCereda Sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about :(. What is TeXTalk?
 
@Iplodman We still try to figure that out
it spits cricket results once in a while
 
10:20 PM
@cfr Oh deeply sorry, here's the background: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2545/textalk-interviews
 
Oh!
Right.
 
!!/answer what is the square root of minus one
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

sqrt(-1)
i
i  (principal root)
-i
 
See? Totally cricket results
 
!!/texdef -t latex maketitle
 
10:20 PM
@percusse LOL
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\maketitle:
\long macro:->\par \begingroup \renewcommand \thefootnote {\@fnsymbol \c@footnote }\def \@makefnmark {\rlap {\@textsuperscript {\normalfont \@thefnmark }}}\long \def \@makefntext ##1{\parindent 1em\noindent \hb@xt@ 1.8em{\hss \@textsuperscript {\normalfont \@thefnmark }}##1}\if@twocolumn \ifnum \col@number =\@ne \@maketitle \else \twocolumn [\@maketitle ]\fi \else \newpage \global \@topnum \z@ \@maketitle \fi \thispagestyle {plain}\@thanks \endgroup \setcounter {footnote}{0}\global \let \thanks \relax \glob
 
!!/choose emacs, vim, notepad
 
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: emacs
 
Hey the game is rigged
 
@PauloCereda ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
10:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle Stupid bot. :)
 
!!/answer How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
A woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
(According to the tongue twister, although the paper "The Ability of Woodchucks to Chuck Cellulose Fibers" by P.A. Paskevich and T.B. Shea in Annals of Improbable Research vol. 1, no. 4, pp. 4-9, July/August 1995, concluded that a woodchuck can chuck 361.9237001 cubic centimeters of wood per day.)
 
>:)
 
@Iplodman Don't underestimate the force in this one.
!!/answer which editor were you born into?
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

editors | people employed | United States
105040 people  (2009)
people employed | 105040 people
yearly change | -4970 people  (-5%)
workforce fraction | 0.08%  (1 in 1244)
median wage | $50800 per year  (US dollars per year)
median wage yearly change | +$810 per year  (US dollars per year)  (+2%)
50% range | $(37340 to 71090) per year
80% range | $(28430 to 97360) per year
(2009 data)
 | people employed | mean wage
technical writers | 46270 people | $65610 per year
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 275 vs. 245 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
10:23 PM
!!/answer Atheism or religion?
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Query was not understood, no results available.
 
The answer to life. ^
Basically, the bot decided that we should stop worrying about such petty issues.
I agree with the bot.
 
!!/answer life
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

life  (English word)
1 | noun | a characteristic state or mode of living
2 | noun | the experience of being alive; the course of human events and activities
3 | noun | the course of existence of an individual; the actions and events that occur in living
4 | noun | the condition of living or the state of being alive
5 | noun | the period during which something is functional (as between birth and death)
6 | noun | the period between birth and the present time
!!/eightball O great oracle, should we trust in your answers?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: don't count on it.
 
10:24 PM
42?
 
!!/answer How rich is Bruce Wayne?
let's see how many nerds in wolfram
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Bruce  (male given name)  |  Wayne  (male given name)
 | Bruce | Wayne
rank | 416th | 762nd
fraction | 1 in 2666 people (0.038%) | 1 in 6387 people (0.016%)
number | 702 people per year | 293 people per year
(US data based on 2013 births and other SSA registrations in the US)
 | Bruce | Wayne
expected total number alive today | 317685 people | 274885 people
expected population fraction | 1 in 829 people (0.12%) | 1 in 959 people (0.1%)
expected rank | 158th | 192nd
 
wow, i didn't know that. Thanks psmith
 
@percusse He's a gentleman and a scholar. :)
 
@PauloCereda Did we decide on the gender already?
 
10:27 PM
@percusse Oh no, cisgender thingy. :)
 
heheh. We should find a way to link it to those AI bots
then it can practically use TeX as good as me
 
!!/eightball do you like us, Psmith?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: no. And don't be mean to David, he is my friend.
o.O
 
You should add a !!/cleverbot command.
 
Haha, apparently us vs David
 
@Iplodman hey, our bot is clever. Sort of. :)
 
10:29 PM
Have you seen the real Cleverbot? ;)
 
Yep. :)
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Someone will invite you to a Karaoke party.
 
!!/battle
 
@SeanAllred Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 275 vs. 245 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
I have so many in-jokes to catch up with! :D
 
@cfr Are you summoning Mark Wibrow ? ;)
 
10:30 PM
!!/answer tell me a joke
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Tell me a joke.
This sentence contains ten words, eighteen syllables, and sixty-four letters.
(according to what passes for mathematical humor (my favorite sub-genre), drawn from several sources but primarily from P. Renteln and A. Dundes in their paper "Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor" in Notices of the American Mathematical Society, vol. 52, pp. 24-34, 2005)
 
!!/answer tell me another joke
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

tell  (English word)
1 | verb | express in words
2 | verb | let something be known
3 | verb | narrate or give a detailed account of
4 | verb | give instructions to or direct somebody to do something with authority
5 | verb | discern or comprehend
6 | verb | inform positively and with certainty and confidence
7 | verb | give evidence
8 | verb | mark as different
(8 meanings)
t'el  (IPA: t\:02c8\:025bl)
tell  (no hyphenation)  (4 letters  | 1 syllable)
1000 AD  (Early Middle Ages | Viking Age | High Middle ages)  (1014 years ago)
 
oh, I get it – meta-humor
 
@SeanAllred I apologize for this bot's answer. :)
 
@PauloCereda XD Not your fault – blame wolfram
 
10:32 PM
@SeanAllred :)
 
How would I go about creating such a bot? <3
Just the basics, pwease c:
 
37
Q: Psmith, the friendly TeX bot, at your service

Paulo CeredaPrologue We love hanging out in our main chatroom. It's a very friendly place, where we talk about virtually everything - even TeX, sometimes! I decided to give it a try and add a few "extra features" to our chatroom, and the result is presented in this meta thread. I was planning to implement ...

:)
 
Ah, thank you!
 
!!/answer what is a metaclass?
 
10:33 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Meta' | language classification
Congo Niger  >  Atlantic Congo  >  Volta Congo  >  Benue Congo  >  Bantoid  >  Southern  >  Wide Grassfields  >  Narrow Grassfields  >  Momo  >  Meta'
 
bah
 
lol
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Meta' | language classification
Congo Niger  >  Atlantic Congo  >  Volta Congo  >  Benue Congo  >  Bantoid  >  Southern  >  Wide Grassfields  >  Narrow Grassfields  >  Momo  >  Meta'
 
you also made the bot hate python don't you?
 
!!/answer Pink Floyd albums
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

Pink Floyd (music act) | music albums
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn | July 7, 1967
A Saucerful of Secrets | June 29, 1968
More | July 27, 1969
Ummagumma | October 25, 1969
Atom Heart Mother | October 10, 1970
(vertical ellipsis) |
The Division Bell | March 30, 1994
The Complete Zabriskie Point Sessions | 2004
Virtual Zabriskie Point | January, 2009
What Syd Wants |
Zabriskie Point |
LOL no Endless River. :P
 
suddenly I like you even more Psmith
!!/answer Dsus5aug13/7
 
10:35 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

13/7
13/7 (irreducible)
1.8571428571428571428571428571428571428571428571428571...
1.857142^_  (period 6)
1 6/7
1×7+6
7 |
 | 1 |
7^(-1)×13
[1; 1, 6]
1 + 1/2+1/3+1/42
(13 pi)/22~~1, 2, 11/6, 13/7, 349/188, 711/383, ...
(simple continued fraction convergent sequence)
WAT
 
still nerd at heart
 
!!/answer John Ford films
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

movies | with | director | John Ford
Bucking Broadway  |  The Iron Horse  |  What Price Glory  |  Upstream  |  Hangman's House  |  Men Without Women  |  Up the River  |  Arrowsmith  |  The Lost Patrol  |  The Informer  |  The Prisoner of Shark Island  |  The Plough and the Stars  |  Wee Willie Winkie  |  The Hurricane  |  The Adventures of Marco Polo  |  Stagecoach  |  Young Mr. Lincoln  |  Drums Along the Mohawk  |  The Grapes of Wrath  |  The Long Voyage Home  |  ...   (total: 50)
 
So, is it difficult to create such a bot?
 
!!/eightball is it difficult to create a bot?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: stop hassling me, dud.
oy
 
10:36 PM
Hahaha
 
xD
 
@Iplodman It depends. :)
 
!!/fencing
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last fencing results:

- BF MOURNS THE LOSS OF FRANK MILLS
- 2014/15 SENIOR INTERNATIONAL SEASON WEEKEND PREVIEW
- GB MEN?S SABRE RECEIVE CUTLERS? AWARD
- SINCLAIR ATTENDS SPORTSAID WORKSHOP
- SENIOR INTERNATIONAL RESULTS SUMMARY
- SPORTIVATE FUNDING STAFFS ANNOUNCEMENT
- CHRISTMAS CARD COMPETITION
- 2014/15 SENIOR INTERNATIONAL SEASON CONTINUES
- NORTHAMPTONSHIRE CLUB & COACH DEVELOPMENT EVENING
- UPDATE - 2015 BEAZLEY BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS SURVEY RESULTS
SABRE RECEIVE CUTLERS AWARD wat
 
I reckon I could do alright. I have decent JavaScript skills, and at an age of four hundred and fourty eight I can still learn fairly quickly.
!!/answer self conciousness
 
10:38 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

SELF  (periodical)
circulation | 1.495 million
frequency | monthly
subject | women
publisher | Conde Nast Publications, Inc.
country | United States
website | www.self.com
(based on 2008 estimates)
 
@PauloCereda Fencing decided to go underworld.
 
@percusse LOL
!!/choose egreg is older, David is older
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: egreg is older
Oh no!
 
!!/eightball Are you friends with HAL?
 
@Iplodman Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: listen to David.
 
I feel like I should know more about David.
 
10:40 PM
@PauloCereda Sometimes I hate Psmith
 
@egreg Me too. :(
!!/choose we love you, we hate you
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: we love you
awww
<3
 
!!/translate from Latin to English Nullam vehicula Latine loquuntur.
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: Something bad happened, I blame the API.
 
hahahahaha
 
@percusse 100% accurate translation. :)
!!/translate from en to de I like ducks.
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Ich mag Enten.
 
10:42 PM
What's the two letter code for latin?
 
@percusse I don't think the API has latin. :(
 
!!/translate from lt to en Nullam vehicula Latine loquuntur.
 
@percusse Psmith, the TeX bot: Nullam vehicula Latine loquuntur.
 
!!/translate salad to en Cabbage!
 
@Iplodman Psmith, the TeX bot: Incorrect syntax, try from LANG to LANG TEXT instead.
 
10:43 PM
well :)
 
Damn.
 
cfr
@percusse ??
 
@cfr The devil angel thingy
 
It's been fun meeting you all today c:
See you all soon! :)
 
!!/translate from en to la I speak fluent Latin
 
10:54 PM
can anyone remember how xypic works, I used it quite a bit last century... I just goaded the OP into providing an example but....
 
@Iplodman Have fun!
 
cfr
@percusse Nietzsche. Beyond Good and Evil. Variant (non-Nietzsche): virtues and vices.
 
@egreg Neither you nor Psmith will ever be as fluent as I am at languages
 
@DavidCarlisle I killed Psmith, apparently. :)
 
cfr
@DavidCarlisle Yn wir i chi?
 
10:56 PM
@cfr We need Brent!
 
@cfr ie, wrth gwrs: gweler y neges serennu drosodd ar y dde
 
@cfr: so we can take that as an yes to an interview? :)
 
@PauloCereda did I hear "yes to interview" ?
Jul 16 '12 at 22:20, by David Carlisle
user image
 
@DavidCarlisle ^^^
 
@SeanAllred :-)
 
cfr
11:22 PM
@PauloCereda You can't want to interview me! Are you mad?
@DavidCarlisle bendigedig!
 
@cfr You can answer in Welsh, David will translate.
 
@egreg welsh is actually a language to which I have had some exposure in real life;-)
 
@cfr Why? :) We'd love to interview you. :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no!
 
@PauloCereda I can always find that again, just search for "revenge" :-) It will keep coming back until you agree to be interviewed
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
11:36 PM
@DavidCarlisle So you're as fluent in Welsh as in French?
 
@egreg No (I have a national qualification in french (my teacher nearly died of shock) Welsh, we just used to visit a lot in a Welsh speaking area.
 
@DavidCarlisle Cockney rhyming slang as well?
 
@PauloCereda With an american accent (as learned from mary poppins)
 
@DavidCarlisle A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down!
 
@PauloCereda yes although that one isn't the really the example of cockney: one doesn't expect one's governess to come from the working classes you know...
 
11:40 PM
@DavidCarlisle flying bumbershoot.
 
@PauloCereda I'm sure Psmith can explain to you about British accents and class structure.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Like this quote from Sam Weller's? “Business first, pleasure arterwards, as King Richard the Third said wen he stabbed t’other king in the Tower, afore he smothered the babbies.”
 
@DavidCarlisle: vvvv
 
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