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12:48 AM
Is there a place i can view a list of document classes for LaTeX? ctan.org doesn't distinguish between classes and packages.
 
1:08 AM
@FarZin not a formal list but has quite good coverage (you may have already seen it):
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Q: What are the available "documentclass" types and their uses?

ViviSome of the available classes of documents in LaTeX are well known and widely used, such as the article and beamer classes, while others are not so well known, such as the standalone class. I found this figure which lists the main classes and is a good starting point, but the description is ...

 
1:27 AM
@PaulGessler thank you
 
Hi
I have a new computer, I want to install Latex Complete, also I want to install TexMaker as an editor. I have windows 7.
could you tell me the download site for the above?
Thanks
 
1:43 AM
@FarZin Thanks, but is that full version, I mean include all packages?
 
moment while i check
 
OK
 
I bet you protext has all packages as it is 1 GB tug.org/protext
 
when I click on download the self-extracting protext.exe file there are three files:
ProTeXt-3.1.3-060313.exe 07-Jun-2013 17:06 1.6G
ProTeXt-3.1.3-060313.exe.md5 07-Jun-2013 17:06 59
protext.exe 07-Jun-2013 17:06 1.6G
which one I choose?
 
ProTeXt-3.1.3-060313.exe
 
1:54 AM
is there any differenece between this ProText and miktex ?
 
I am a Mac user, so I wouldn't know.
 
Many Thanks
 
oh, there is a difference, i don't know what it is
1 GB probably means more packages
Also, if your willing to put down some money, Sublime is a great editor for power-users
 
I am new user.
it is 1.6 G not 1 G
 
ok
just out of curiosity, what are you using LaTeX for?
your school requires you to?
 
2:07 AM
wrting papers
I am research student
 
what area of research?
 
I think writing papers using Latex is much better than word
communication ans signal processing
 
oh, so it wasn't required?
great.
 
what is your field of study?
 
microbiology
 
2:10 AM
I have friends that study for PhD in Microbiology
 
ah ok
 
in the download link that you mentioned , the third file is also 1.6 G protext.exe what is that?
 
are you talking about the third link on the page?
 
yes
 
what's the name of the link? it may just be a mirror
 
2:14 AM
can I install this program without havng internet connection on my desktop computer?
 
choose ProTeXt-3.1.3-060313.exe
yes,
 
download finished.
 
if it required an internet connection, it wouldn't be so large
:D
 
ok
good, many thanks
 
have you already started learning how to code
or is that still to come
 
2:18 AM
I started, I think it is not difficult, since there are templates for most of the works
 
templates can be good to learn, however, if your not familiar with their code, you could cause a package conflict or other error
 
Ok Farzin, good night. Many thanks
 
take care
 
 
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8:00 AM
@barznjy 'First, proTeXt adds a few independent tools to MiKTeX, notably TeXnicCenter and Ghostscript.' (tug.org/protext)
 
 
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10:53 AM
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A: Code-trolling/prank questions for TeX.SX?

Bruno Le FlochAdd to their aux file the following code snippet, which is a quine. When the aux file is \input at the start of a LaTeX run, the code here will build a copy of itself and write it in the aux file for the next run. Additionally, it will run the code contained in \toks2 below. For instance, the ...

 
@PauloCereda You like latex girls?
 
@PauloCereda that's really awesome, I think I'm going to check my aux file if maybe that causes the bug in luaotfload :P
 
@hugovdberg Bruno himself is awesome, hence the epic code. :)
 
11:10 AM
@PauloCereda would be even more fun if the time were returned in seconds, then move the \ifodd inside the \everypar and maybe even reset the \parindent on even seconds :P
 
@egreg: today I didn't forget to vote. :)
 
 
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12:44 PM
@PauloCereda Good boy! Did you vote also for David? His self-esteem might suffer. :P
 
@egreg I did. :)
 
!!/battle
@hugovdberg The clock doesn't keep ticking. But there's \pdfelapsedtime …
 
12:57 PM
@PauloCereda "also" ? will you never learn....
 
 
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2:21 PM
I've just registered for the BachoTeX conference!
 
@egreg something like this? :P meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/4332/46598
 
@hugovdberg :)
 
2:41 PM
@egreg could you a recommend an Italian newspaper that I can read online? I'd like to learn a little Italian (at least be able to read and understand for now), and since the global news is usually quite easy to compare with newspapers in languages I'm more familiar with it's a nicer way to learn a language than only learning a dictionary by heart ;)
 
@hugovdberg www.corriere.it or www.repubblica.it; full of advertising, I'm afraid.
 
@egreg thanks :) and that's what adblock was made for ;)
 
3:29 PM
@egreg the inconsistent application of the OpenType features was/is indeed a bug in luaotfload, where a race condition occurred that apparently overwrote previously selected features
 
3:54 PM
Dear friends, let us rejoice! Our good friend Marco Daniel is dad of a little boy! Soon his son will begin expanding macros and taking care of dad's packages! :)
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@topskip Cool
 
@PauloCereda is that how the child was conceived in the first place? :P congratz to Marco Daniel anyway :)
 
4:26 PM
anyone familiar with installing tex packages from github?
 
Is it possible to merge two documents with different preambles with LaTeX?
 
I'm trying to install the latest luaotfload from github.com/lualatex/luaotfload but the make install fails at mktexfmt luatex.fmt, constantly complaining it cannot find files..
@LordStryker it depends on what's in the preambles, as long as there are no duplicate/conflicting or missing definitions in the final preamble it should be no problem
@LordStryker so merging chapters from a book into an article will not work, although adding the sections from the article to a chapter in the book will be no problem
 
@hugovdberg I suppose I could use pdfpages and just tack document B on that way.
@hugovdberg the main document is a book. I'd be merging in an article.
Actually, that won't work because then document B won't be in the TOC.
 
@LordStryker that's a possibility, but that will not update the pagenumbers
 
@hugovdberg I'll play around with it. The styles of DocA and DocB are very different.
 
4:34 PM
@LordStryker Do you need the entire book within the article? because if you just need the sections from a single chapter you could include these as is
 
@LordStryker how different, ie what goes wrong if you just comment out the preamble of one and input it into the other.
 
@DavidCarlisle i guess it breaks at the first \chapter input in the article ;)
 
@hugovdberg well I meant the other way round:-)
 
5:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle I get errors and the document won't compile (not surprising)
@DavidCarlisle Is it possible to merge a PDF and create a link for it in the main document (via some ref or label command)?
 
@MarcoDaniel Congratulations and cheers!
 
5:44 PM
@egreg would it still count as a prank to write a bash script that makes a backup of pdflatex and lualatex and replaces them with another bashscript that writes Bruno's code to the aux file if that doesn't exist and then calls the original executable to process it? :P Or is that just plain evil?
 
@hugovdberg You're really an evil doer!
 
@hugovdberg The meanest script you could write (something that beats rm -rf *) would be some recursive use of sed -i -e 's/ //g' *
The files are still there and intact but... good luck trying to make sense of them. :P
Maybe even tack on a tr -d '\n' ' ' in there
 
6:01 PM
@LordStryker yes but are they trivial to fix errors or rewrite latex to add functionality errors?
 
@egreg I guess so, just like that ln trick with vim/emacs :P
 
@DavidCarlisle It would require some significant effort (at least with my 'skill level'). DocB contains a lot of fancy shenannigans to get the styling right (and it differs drastically from DocA)
 
 
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7:41 PM
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A: Code-trolling/prank questions for TeX.SX?

hugovdbergPosted as an answer instead of a comment as the code is too long. Based on Bruno Le Floch's answer, with a little twist hinted at by egreg in the chat. Add this to your aux: {% \toks@{% \ifx\@nodocument\relax\else \toks2{% Here you put whatever mean code you want \ifodd\tim...

@egreg it works :P
 
7:56 PM
Wow, my code is even more evil than I thought, which pdflatex still returns the original location, while pdflatex test.tex runs the 'updated' script :P
 
@DavidCarlisle: Just add my reference for completeness.
Don't mention "Werner said this", just add it.
You can award me a 500 rep bounty later...
...oh, I crack me up.
 
@Werner I need some help catching you up
@Werner ah that would conflict with my previous comment.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, and as you can see, I'm only looking after #1...
...and that's not @egreg.
And yes, I also looked at the source code, available in algpseudocode.sty. ;)
@DavidCarlisle: The deal is done... I'll await my payment then... he he...
 
@Werner perhaps...
 
@DavidCarlisle Nooo! Just try to keep up amidst all the dust I leave behind... Soon young grasshopper.
 
8:17 PM
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Q: Code-trolling/prank questions for TeX.SX?

DennisThere are code-trolling questions on CodeGolf.SE, but it seems that TeX is not very popular there (it seems that this question is the only one under the tex tag). Now, I have a friend who uses me for LaTeX support. He isn't very tech savvy but likes LaTeX and so I help him out when something he ...

Question was about whether to post to the main site, answers are actually for such a question which never got posted: what to do?
 
8:31 PM
@JosephWright It started out fitting on neither main nor meta... but it may have progressed to fit on main. But I think it would definitely require the tag... however "unfun" it may be for the recipient.
 
@Werner I suggest . :)
 
@Werner since it originally asked whether such a question would be fit for the main site it is actually a meta question, isn't it?
@PauloCereda haha talking about karma, of course I tried that nasty script of mine, was bitten by it a few moments later when trying to compile some more serious matter :P
 
@hugovdberg True... I'm looking at the answers, which mostly seem to make the question main-worthy.
 
@Werner well it definitely seems to me there are some people here who like to pull a prank on someone, and IMHO the answers make the question main-worthy indeed
 
8:48 PM
@PauloCereda You forgot to say that soon Marco's child will be darting on the Autobahn at the speed of light.
@Werner Not #1?
 
@egreg Over here, #1 = you; in general, #1 = (yourself)... or me in this case.
 
9:28 PM
@egreg :)
 
9:51 PM
@PauloCereda do you know how to install a development version of a package from github in a vanilla texlive 2013 on ubuntu? (please don't mention update-tl.sh:P)
 
10:12 PM
@hugovdberg Put it into ~/texmf/tex/latex/<package>/
 
does that work with sources? according to the `luaotfload` readme on the github you need these steps:
3. a. Grab the sources from CTAN or github.
b. Run 'make install TEXMFROOT=/path/to/texmf'.
c. See 2c.
 
@hugovdberg make install TEXMFROOT=~/texmf
Or, if you want to be fussy, make install TEXMFROOT=$(kpsewhich -var-value TEXMFHOME)
 
When I set TEXMFROOT to /home/hugo/texmf it says:
/usr/local/texlive/2013/bin/x86_64-linux/mktexfmt: 395: /usr/local/texlive/2013/bin/x86_64-linux/mktexfmt: /home/hugo/texmf/texmf-dist/texconfig/tcfmgr: not found
fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found.
 
@hugovdberg So it can't be installed in the personal tree, because they didn't use the correct path for tcfmgr
Or they expect it to be installed in the main tree.
 
@egreg so it seems, because if I try to install it into /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist it fails with the same error, if I use /usr/local/texlive/2013/texmf-dist/ (note the trailing slash) it starts to compile the luaotfload.dtx, but then fails with the same error
@egreg it seems they sometimes add the texmf-dist folder in the installation path, and sometimes they don't, if I leave that out it can't find tcfmgr.map..
@egreg I guess I will add it to my still open issue with them ;)
 
10:29 PM
@MarcoDaniel Congratulations. Next five years will be memorable for you with joy :)
 
10:54 PM
@hugovdberg I don't even know how to tie my shoes. :)
 
@PauloCereda LOL, hopefully you do know how to make a good cup of coffee? I mean, life's all about prioritizing, and I'd rather walk barefoot with a cup of coffee, than have beautifully tied shoelaces but no coffee :P
 
@hugovdberg No, he can't make coffee. But he can draw beautiful ducks.
 
@egreg <3
 
@PauloCereda You have an Italian moka, I hope.
 
well deserved points for running the posted code from the question with no change.
 
11:08 PM
@egreg Oh I do have one. :) I also got hurt by it. :P
 
@DavidCarlisle You didn't spot the space before the colon.
@PauloCereda That's my morning dose.
 
@egreg :)
 
@PauloCereda That's normally for three/four cups.
 
@egreg didn't look at the file contents:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Or you thought it was French.
 
11:12 PM
@PauloCereda Psmith?
10 hours ago, by egreg
!!/battle
@egreg want to try again?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh I'm profiling an application right now, it might take a while. :(
 
@PauloCereda I'll fill in: @egreg's way behind
 
@DavidCarlisle This says all. :P ^^^
 
!!/cricket
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Dolphins v Lions
- Border v KwaZulu-Natal 337/5 *
- Cape Cobras 282/5 * v Warriors
- Eastern Province v Western Province 274/3 *
- Free State 171/10  v Easterns 117/5 *
- Namibia v Gauteng
- North West 131 * v Northerns 204/10
- Titans 268/7 * v Knights
- Mashonaland Eagles v Mountaineers
- Southern Rocks v Mid West Rhinos
- Australia v West Indies
- Bangladesh Women v England Women
- Bangladesh v India
- Sri Lanka Women v West Indies Women
@David: battle? :)
 
@PauloCereda That's rubbish: England won in teh Twenty-20 series today and it's not even listed bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26748657
!!/battle
 
11:20 PM
@DavidCarlisle Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 245 vs. 260 David. So far, David is winning.
 
@egreg I still need to get one of these, have one before, and I loved it, now I have to make do with a dripstyle coffeemaker (I guess I'm one of the few students in the netherlands who can say he owns a Porsche :P) and a cheapass DeLonghi espressomaker
 
!!/choose steal ticks from David, steal ticks from egreg, have coffee
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great oracle says: steal ticks from David
 
@PauloCereda That's good!
@hugovdberg The espresso machine is good, of course. And the Porsche too.
@hugovdberg Do you go to Germany for trying it?
 
@egreg haha, yeah they both make quite good coffee in their own way, you just need to know how to handle them, I've ruined quite a few cups of espresso by being either too slow or too impatient to let the machine warm up, but then again also enjoyed many great cups of espresso
@egreg and the Porsche is actually only designed by Porsche, it was built by Siemens, so still Deutsche Gründlichkeit, but as it is a dripstyle machine it's inherently slow ;)
 
11:48 PM
What is the best way for someone who has never used indexing in LaTeX before? I'm not looking for the simplest tutorial, but rather for the most flexible method (a bit like everyone can learn BiBTex in half an hour, while biblatex takes a little longer to get used to but provides more flexibility in the end (or is that just because I had relearn a few things?) )
 
@hugovdberg texdoc imakeidx
:)
 
it seems to me that indexing really is one of those things you can do in a thousand ways but noone really provides an overview of the possibilities and where to learn more about the details of those
 
@hugovdberg Add \usepackage{imakeidx} in the preamble, followed by \makeindex; then add \printindex at the end. For a simple index, add \index{<word>} at the spot.
 

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