anyone around that might be able to help me out with some frustrating biblatex stuff?

ah nevermind - hyperref was apparently preventing biblatex from breaking lines. so irritating!

I want some biscuits. :(

@PauloCereda Here you are:

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Ah sorry, this is cookies, not biscuits

@yo' ooooooooh

<3

Anyone up for this on:

@daleif Good luck with that

@daleif It's not fontenc that's the problem, it's inputenc

@daleif Ulrike:-)

@PauloCereda vvvvvv

@DavidCarlisle ooh that biscuits has seen things... :)

@ChristianHupfer: Hi, welcome back!

@PauloCereda: Hello, only a ghost of me, but thanks ;-)

@ChristianHupfer DUCKS!

@ChristianHupfer OMG

@PauloCereda: I found this offer yesterday at German service area near the Autobahn at Würzburg ;-)

LOOK AT TEH FLOWER DUCK

@ChristianHupfer Germans are awesome! <3

@JosephWright Yes, D U C K S

@PauloCereda Look at the Bee duck at the bottom, in the middle of the rack :D

@ChristianHupfer OMG THERE'S A BEE DUCK!

<3

They were quite expensive, so I bought none :-( @PauloCereda

@ChristianHupfer But you took a picture! <3

WOW! The order of loading tikz and babel matters!

Helllo @WillRobertson

Late at night where you are?

@JosephWright or very early in the morning?

@ChristianHupfer Lübeck?

The famous Holstentor in Lübeck ... and before anybody asks... the towers are really slanted

@JosephWright: Yes...

@ChristianHupfer Thought I recognised it

@JosephWright You've been there already?

@JosephWright looks like that luatex Missing character thing accounts for 6 test suite failures.

@DavidCarlisle Do you understand what Hans means?

@JosephWright not exactly but I noticed the number changed wildly as I simplified the original test down, sounds like it's just picking up random junk as he's looking at a field that is only initialized properly if it's a char node. So I think he means the fix will be not to look in these cases.

@DavidCarlisle Yes, but 'The message is meaningless' isn't exactly helpful

@JosephWright I assume (hope) that's just an explanation that the current message is in fact spurious, not an indication that it won't be fixed not to make the message.

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@JosephWright I've asked for clarification...

@ChristianHupfer \textsl{tower} :)

@PauloCereda {\addfontfeature{FakeSlant=-1.0}tower} for one of them ;)

@yo' ooh :)

@PauloCereda I'm not sure if it works, I'm just sure it'll be ugly for most fonts :-)

@Sino If you can't modify the template then presumably you can't fiddle with the design decisions

@JosephWright I can't modify it because am novice in latex but I think that it is modifiable

@Sino Ah, that's entirely different :-)

Otherwise, is there any command that forces alinea ?

@Sino Having no indent and no inter-paragraph skip is very unusual

@Sino Yes but you really shouldn't solve the problem that way :-)

Yeah I know that it's not proper, but I don't have the choice :D

@Sino Can you post your preamble (\documentclass to \begin{document})?

Oh no my eyes hurt!

@yo' Left-handed?

@JosephWright LOL!!!

@JosephWright lhlatex -- latex for left-handed.

@Sino Well there is an indent: it's just a bit small

@Sino Remove \setlength{\parskip}{1ex plus 0.5ex minus 0.2ex}

@JosephWright I am a south paw. :)

if I delete that you think that I will have the indent automatically ?

@Sino No, I know you will :-)

@Sino Presuming your document is not totally odd

@JosephWright Gotta love the English way. <3

Ok that worked for me, thank you very much! ;)

@JosephWright <3

@PauloCereda LOL ... or Lord of the Rings, book four: The two slanted Towers ;-)

@ChristianHupfer <3

<3

^_^

@JosephWright How can I force image, I insert image but it displays in other page

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

in other section

@Sino Floats deliberately float: you can prevent them floating past certain points if required

@JosephWright A float that isn't supposed to float should not be a float. :)

@PauloCereda you philosophe well ;)

@JosephWright I'll take a look thx man

@PauloCereda Unicodart?

@PauloCereda with the exception when it isn't supposed to float because it already floats.

@yo' <3

@yo' ooh a float inside a float!

I like this idea.

@PauloCereda I've done it many times :)

@yo' <3

Just to add: I hate floats :D

@ChristianHupfer You integer person! <3

@PauloCereda :D :D Yes, I am very integer

@ChristianHupfer ooh :)

Sorry, I've to leave, till later on or tomorrow

@ChristianHupfer Take care, buddy! :)

@ChristianHupfer see u

Does anybody here know how to make fine-tuned caption placement next to the figure?

@yo' \begin{picture}(0,0)\put(20,-11){\captionof{figure}{here}}\end{picture}

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@JosephWright I could do the same with coffins (probably) and look more modern.

@DavidCarlisle I don't think it's that simple :-)

what's wrong with putting \captionof inside minipage?

@yo' nothing but that doesn't position it which was what you asked for?

@DavidCarlisle well, \captionof seems to mess things up. Even {float}[H] seems to be easier...

@yo' you need minipage or parbox inside the \put to hold the \captionof

@DavidCarlisle I don't use the picture mode variant just now

No, I give up, something is messing up. {figure}[H] works like charm.

I've got an ugly code in the end, but it does what I need :-)

@yo' glad you're happy but I don't see how [H] is related to caption positioning:-)

\begin{figure}
\hspace*{17.0pt}%
\raisebox{-0.55\height}{\includegraphics[width=\dimexpr\linewidth-17.0pt-0.65\linewidth]{figure-s-Lstar}}%
\hfill
\setlength{\unitlength}{1pt}%
\begin{picture}(0,0)
\put(0,0){\llap{{%
\begin{minipage}[c]{0.65\linewidth}
\begin{figure}[H]
\caption{Part of Voronoi (in solid lines) and Delone (in double lines) tessellations of $\cA_2[\gamma]$
 for $\gamma=\gammat$ the complex Tribonacci constant.
The white cross is a vertex of the Voronoi tessellation, and at the same time, it is a center of the gray circle,

@DavidCarlisle well, both \caption and \captionof do very crazy things inside a minipage, but \caption works well inside a float :-)

@yo' eek

@DavidCarlisle messy code, but does exactly what's asked for. The only thing that bothers me is vertical alignment, but I'll come there :) Anyway, you can't make this without manual tweaks; currently there are only 2 "free parameters": width of the caption and vertical adjustment.

@JosephWright quick progress on the Missing characters bug:-)

@DavidCarlisle Next we need to get the one fixed about font name reporting (inherited from e-TeX I believe but now fixed in that, pdfTeX, XeTeX, etc.)

@JosephWright you mean when two names point to same font it reports the other one?

@DavidCarlisle That's the one

@JosephWright didn't we raise that already (with no change)?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, hence 'we need to get the one fixed ...'

@JosephWright ah, probably need to find a plausible document where it matters other than to people who run diff on log files....

@DavidCarlisle I suspect they'll fix it if we complain enough: it's not that they don't want to be helpful

@JosephWright yes true. I was just trying to make it affect something other than the log but not obviously possible.

@DavidCarlisle No: it's just a log issue I believe (some optimisation in TeX that didn't quite translate in e-TeX)

That looked mighty suspicious: \documentclass[12pt,gensymb,lmodern,textcomp]{iiscthes}

\typeout{Document Style Option `iiscthes' Ver 1.0 <14 Apr 91>.}
\input report.sty

@Johannes_B Very nice!

Back to a non-duck avatar for a while. :)

@PauloCereda OMG

@JosephWright Oh no!

@Johannes_B Oh for pity's sake

@Joseph: Back to the duck, it didn't take that long. :)

@PauloCereda Quack

@JosephWright Quack indeed! :)

@JosephWright almost got ltjarticle to work, seems they used every corner of luatexbase :(

@DavidCarlisle Sounds about right

@DavidCarlisle The first-line parsing business suggests if we want to do that we really are best doing it before calling the engine (check the first line from l3build)

@JosephWright looks that way.

@PauloCereda oh, that was fast! :)

@clemens peer pressure. :)

@PauloCereda I haven't logged out so you are still human here

@DavidCarlisle uh-oh!

@DavidCarlisle That means at present it's trying to add a callback and silently failing (which I think luatexbase is wrong with)

@DavidCarlisle They need to fix that: what they think they are doing they are not

@JosephWright yes true but if they are fixing stuff anyway I wonder how much the emulation needs to emulate (there's a whole stack of whatsit mangling which I got working I think but could happily not add....)

@DavidCarlisle Agreed: I think we tell them about the upcoming changes, including the 'do you know this is actually not working' part

@JosephWright I'll look after dinner see what's a reasonable place to cut. stopping for a bit.

I always forget: if I issue \usepackage[brazil, latin]{babel}, which language is the default? The first or last one?

@egreg You always tell me to stay away from adjustwidth and now I ran into a problem where I do need the margin space spanning multiple pages. What package should I look at? I found this: iswwwup.com/t/6fd4f32efd27/… but nesting my index/TOC in a colorbox just doesn't feel right.

I also tried the fullwidth package but it has the same output as the adjustwidth* environment. :(

@1010011010 Are you using tufte-book?

@egreg I've built something very similar.

For all intents and purposes: yes (I guess).

@1010011010 Well, I can't guess what you're doing.

Yeah sorry, let's just say I am using tufte-book. What's my best bet?

@1010011010 A bet on what?

@egreg Haha, sorry. That's colloquial for: "What are my options?"

@1010011010 For doing what?

@egreg My options for typesetting in the margin space across multiple pages in a twoside document?

@1010011010 Use adjustwidth, why not? But be aware of its limitations.

@1010011010 However, if you feel the need of writing in the margin, it's a clear sign that the format of the class you're using is not good for the document.

@egreg I combat that notion by stating that 98% of my document benefits greatly from this format.

@1010011010 So, adapt also the remaining 2% to use the same format.

I don't see a point in using a margin space for a TOC or an index... and I guess I'm also spoilt by the typographical layout I envisioned. So anyway, long story short, there is no fix for this?

@PauloCereda oh no!

mdframed it is, I guess.

@JosephWright I added the whatsit stuff as I'd made it work but it's guarded by docstrip guard so can be dropped easily, needed to modify the module declaration emulation a bit as well. Checked in a (failing) ltj test file will need to look later at exactly why it's failing on the exclusive callback (and what it was doing before) but checking it in for now.

@DavidCarlisle OK

@DavidCarlisle Saw the e-mail, looked over the commit :-)

@JosephWright yes I know but thought I'd comment after I said I'd drop the whatsit stuff, was going to keep it to one side but it was there so...

I thought that errwarinf function was just an internal helper really but the ltj files call the module declaration without saving those functions then call errwarinf directly later, seems odd but harmless enough to make it work...

@DavidCarlisle Probably was meant to be local ;-)

@JosephWright the first thing was working before: luatexbase.add_to_callback('define_font',luatexja.font_callback,"luatexja.font_‌​callback", 1) so they used the priority argument to push in to the front

@DavidCarlisle Still comes down to the same as load order: there's not certainty that won't be over-ridden later

@DavidCarlisle Also, if it's a 'one off' callback then presumably this messes up some other code

@DavidCarlisle Or it knows what code it's displacing, so could do remove/add

@JosephWright well yes or no normally its just defined by luaotfload, but they are redefining all the font loading for japanese encodings, as you say would be much clearer if it removed the luaotfload one first then it would work with the new version

@DavidCarlisle Yes, it's all rather risky (and why I don't like the current luatexbase approach to exclusive callbacks)

@JosephWright agreed but still I think making the packages we know about work without change is a good aim, even if the luatexbase compatibility layer does more than we'd want, currently the priority arg is ignored, but could in luatexbase check if it is 1 and the callback is exclusive and if so call luatexbase.reset_callback to clear the existing list.

@DavidCarlisle For the compatibility layer certainly

@DavidCarlisle With a suitable log warning :-)

@JosephWright will see what I can do

@JosephWright OK :-)

@DavidCarlisle Great

@DavidCarlisle Sounds easy enough

@JosephWright yes

Does anyone understand what Marc van Dongen is actually asking in his question?

@AlanMunn I think he wants the team to get on and sort out 'LaTeX Style Sheets', but that's a bit big for a Q&A post

@JosephWright @egreg Indeed :-)

@JosephWright and grid typesetting

@DavidCarlisle OK, xor as well

@JosephWright As in templates?

@Johannes_B As in the good bits of templates + LDB + ...

@Johannes_B @FrankMittelbach was pretty clear at TUG2015 that templates as they stand don't really work

@JosephWright It seems very vaguely defined. I feel like answering "ConTeXt". :)

@JosephWright except I can't check if the callback is exclusive as the callbacktypes table is local (unless I missed an access function?)

@DavidCarlisle Currently it is local, that is true

@DavidCarlisle We can provide an accessor or make it global

@JosephWright that was the implied question, yes:-)

just make it global?

@DavidCarlisle Might be easiest

@DavidCarlisle Or just have a second local table of exclusive callbacks

@JosephWright oh in luatexbase? depends if want to detect mythical user-defined exclusive callbacks, in which case accessing the existing table is better probably

@AlanMunn are you still around, did I get this right:-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/263381/…