@ChristianHupfer lol

@PaulGessler: I found it on facebook, just looking for users of TeX.SX there ... I found somebody else too: Gu(e)ssler who:-P

@ChristianHupfer noticed that... will you now persuade me to join the LaTeX group there? lol :-)

@PaulGessler: No, no... I like the dark side, but that group there is too dark even to me ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I think it must be better than the LinkedIn LaTeX group. There we have more posts by a spamming textile manufacturer than actual typesetting posts. ;-)

@PaulGessler: Try to find LaTeX on Google+ and you will find a lot of things, but the most of it is not connected to typesetting ;-)

Have a nice time

@JosephWright I got an serial upvoting reverted a few days back, but i noticed in the last few days upvotes on my answers, old ones. What about that?

@Johannes_B nothing. This happens sometimes. Probably someone who knows you from LC or whom you helped nicely here tried to give you some extra points :-) It's nothing worth worrying. Serial downvoting would be a different story.

@Johannes_B I can see where the likely source of these votes is. It's nothing to worry about at your end.

@JosephWright Oh the Mod Power Ranger <3 :-)

@yo' Indeed

@yo' I guess on some sites this sort of info is important (one hears a lot about sock puppet rings in the mod chat), but for us it's at best marginally useful

@JosephWright well, we have much more of a community feeling I think. For instance, we're likely the only site in whose chat the software the site is about is being developed :D

@yo' The voting systems works then. Good to know that upvotes are given only for good quality answers.

I'm getting crazy with tikz pic environment

If I'm not wrong, it is possible to give pic a name, like in \draw pic (A) at (0,0) {somePicIDefined};

or is it just possible if inside the somePicDefined I have a \node (-a) .... that inherits the pic name A from above?

Should be page 255 of pgf manual...

By the way the error I get is: Package pgf Error: No shape named scurrent path bounding box is known.

Note that ` \draw pic () at (0,0) {somePicIDefined};` is not producing any error, but then I can't retrieve that pic "node"...

In the end a possible workaround is \node (A) at (0,0) {\tikz{\draw pic {somePicIDefined};}}; (nesting a pic in a node), but the code starts to be heavy.

Somebody is stating that Mike Downes had problems in understanding \halign. I find this offensive.

@egreg Without any elaboration?

\newdimen\heightofpicture \heightofpicture=2in
\newdimen\numberoflinesaux \numberoflinesaux=\heightofpicture
\newcount\numberoflines
\divide\numberoflinesaux by \the\baselineskip
\loop\ifnum\numberoflinesaux>1
\advance\numberoflines by 1
\advance\numberoflinesaux by -1pt
\repeat
\setbox0=\hbox{\includegraphics[height=\heightofpicture]{curietemp}}
\begin{wrapfigure}[\numberoflines]{l}{\wd0}
    \vskip-.7\baselineskip\box0%
\end{wrapfigure}
\blindtext%

I think I did something wrong here :-(

@1010011010 Just a rant.

@1010011010 \begin{wrapfigure}[\number\numberoflines]{l}{\wd0} could be the solution, but I'm not sure

@yo' It gives the same result as without... unfortunately

I mean, the document compiles but it gives me an extra .0pt

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[demo]{graphicx}
\usepackage{wrapfig}
\usepackage{blindtext}

\begin{document}

\newdimen\heightofpicture \heightofpicture=2in
\newdimen\numberoflinesaux \numberoflinesaux=\heightofpicture
\newcount\numberoflines
\divide\numberoflinesaux by \the\baselineskip
\loop\ifnum\numberoflinesaux>1
\advance\numberoflines by 1
\advance\numberoflinesaux by -1pt
\repeat
\setbox0=\hbox{\includegraphics[height=\heightofpicture]{curietemp}}
\begin{wrapfigure}[\numberoflines]{l}{\wd0}

here's the full thing

@1010011010 ah I misread your code

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[demo]{graphicx}
\usepackage{wrapfig}
\usepackage{blindtext}

\begin{document}

\newdimen\heightofpicture \heightofpicture=2in
\newcount\numberoflines \numberoflines=\heightofpicture
\divide\numberoflines by \baselineskip
\setbox0=\hbox{\includegraphics[height=\heightofpicture]{curietemp}}
\begin{wrapfigure}[\number\numberoflines]{l}{\wd0}
    \vskip-.7\baselineskip\box0%
\end{wrapfigure}
\blindtext%

\end{document}

@1010011010 ^^

@egreg -- who/where? (curious.)

@1010011010 -- in the line 3rd from the bottom, you have \box0%. i'd put a space before the % to turn off the scan for another digit. or just leave off the %.

@barbarabeeton There's this guy who thinks that his TeX format is good and the rest is useless and ill-programmed rubbish. So I dared him to provide a functioning implementation of matrix that behaves the same as the current one, but doesn't require `MaxMatrixCols. I don't think he will answer.

@yo' As @barbarabeeton says: use a space after an integer constant.

@egreg ah well, I didn't notice this problem. Using only one \newdimen and one \newcount works well.

@yo' Didn't know that was possible. Thanks.

@1010011010 one of the "dirty tricks"

@egreg -- got it. thanks. (there are lots of things i don't like about latex, and would rather use plain for some projects -- ams still does, in fact. but ams-tex never got automatic numbering and xrefs and a number of other necessary bits, so latex won out. i also deplore the fact that lollipop was ignored. but the masses vote, and majority rule persists. same in politics. one learns to live with it.)

@barbarabeeton If only Mike Spivak hadn't thought to create LAMS-TeX for his own benefit…

@barbarabeeton Lollipop was indeed a nice idea, but its manual was for people who already knew the TeXbook, including dangerous bends.

Some people are not very diplomatic when judging other people's work.

@egreg -- mike didn't much agree with the way latex was constructed in some respects. (i probably still have some of his comments around somewhere.) the original idea was that ams-tex and latex should be merged, but the pressure was on to go the latex route, not to back-enhance ams-tex. what i really regret is that the documentation for lams-tex has become "lost". (if you'll be at tug 2015, i'd like to discuss this history.)

@egreg -- i guess i never had a problem with lollipop because i'd already "digested" and "internalized" three tex manuals, two of them predecessors to the texbook.

@yo' I'd say arrogant rather than not very diplomatic.

@barbarabeeton :)

@egreg that's not very diplomatic either :-)

@yo' I didn't want to be.

@egreg -- besides which, victor helped me make sense of appendix g. another thing i regret is that victor is "out of tex". (maybe the only reason i'm still "in it" is that ams depends on tex to put out its books and journals, and there isn't any plausible alternative that mathematicians can use directly, and without a large monetary outlay.)

Nobody can help on my tikz pic stuff?

I could also fakely introduce a coordinate (-) inside the pic.

@s__C we are not all gold tikz-pgf holders like @egreg! It's best to ask questions on the question site, then they get spotted by people who can answer

Every time i have to look up the simplest commands to draw something, for example a circle. To get that information i have to open a 1200 page long document. This is a bit ridiculous i think. They should split the doc, maybe the whole introduction, the main function, the libraries. I cannot be the only one having this thought, right?

@Johannes_B No, you aren't

@egreg i just looked at the main file linked in tex.stackexchange.com/q/241545/37907 . It doesn't recommend loading caption but right in the next line, it loads subcaption :-)

@Johannes_B :)

A LyX question was asked at goLaTeX how to place all captions for tables above the tabular. I googled it. Apparently, there is no LyX mechanism and it is commonly done using floatrow or float.

@egreg I see you also struggled to understand the onehalf spaced toc-entry question? ;-)

@barbarabeeton one for your list to fix one day (although I think I've reported it before)

@barbarabeeton not actually related to tabularx, you get the same in a standard tabular as I recall the code is missing a magic {\ifnum0=`}\fi bracket or two.

@Johannes_B is that easier than typing latex markup in emacs?

@DavidCarlisle It is a real pain.

@Johannes_B Yes, I can't really understand what the OP is saying.

@egreg I think setspace is involved and either the entry as is should be spaced, or the entries themselves should be spaced. I asked for clarification, but those were just as misleading.

@DavidCarlisle -- okay, will make sure it's on the list. but what do you suggest? the use of \\ has been the only thing available for ending rows of a multi-line display since amsmath first saw the light of day. and the usual recommended workaround is to bury the environment in a group. (i will see what i can do on the documentation front, but that's only a stopgap.) going back to \cr isn't attractive ...

@barbarabeeton no the original markup would work if align protected itself with the special table grouping trick {\ifnum0=`}\fi at the right point so that when nested inside another \halign it did the right thing. I haven't looked for years but I think I got it working once, If I remember I'll re-create some code and send you a note

@barbarabeeton changing \\ doesn't help as the main problem is that the scanner for the outer table is seeing the & in the align so the cell structure is completely messed up, it just happens to give an errror inside the definition of \\ in this case.

@DavidCarlisle -- this problem affects all amsmath multi-line environments. it's not enough to change align. please make sure your code addresses that aspect. (and thanks for the offer.)

@barbarabeeton I am of course a pure mathematician at heart, if I prove it's possible then the details of applying that to all the actual cases might be left as an exercise for the reader:-)

@DavidCarlisle -- okay. so "fixing" the \\ doesn't do the job. still looks to me like the best workaround is burial. any better ideas?

@DavidCarlisle -- hmmmmph.

@barbarabeeton as I say I think you can just make the OPs original code work, will look later.

@DavidCarlisle -- have checked list, and the generic problem is not addressed: what to do to avoid error messages (and make the right interpretation) when an amsmath environment using & or \\ is embedded within another environment requiring those markers. could use help in creating (an) appropriate test file(s).

@barbarabeeton will try to do something

@DavidCarlisle By the way, I checked today and the 't's all appear fine in Adobe Reader - even in version 11 on a Windows machine. I even used precisely the same Windows machine I used yesterday. I test printed a single sheet and, once again, almost no lowercase 't's. Then I told it to print it as an image and the 't's appeared. Does that mean it is a printer driver issue or something else? Why just the 't's? It is so weird.

@cfr printer driver I would guess, as you say it may be confused by the font variants microtype generates, really have no idea

@egreg I sent you about tens emails with a question during many months, egreg. None answer. Isn't this arrogant?

@wipet No, it's just that I rarely look at email.

@wipet And since you've publicly been very unfriendly to me, I don't feel obliged to answer your emails.

@egreg I only said that this is not good idea to implement the limit of 10 columns to matrix and to smile how many users will get into problems. May be hundreds users? Thosuands users? This has nothing to do with "being unfiendly to egreg".

@wipet Of course I was not referring to that comment (which was arrogant nonetheless), but to several ones in the past months. By the way, MaxMatrixCols is well documented in the manual of amsmath and also in “The LaTeX Companion” (page 487).

@egreg Of course, the MaxMatrixCols is documented. But people read manual (may be) then they are using matrix without problems many years, they forget the details from the manual and, at once, they need matrix with more than 10 columns. Behold, here is problem. This is roguish trick, even though it is documented.

@egreg Answer for matrix without 10 columns limit? \matrix from plain TeX, for instance?

Looking at all the stuff written above, there is really only one question in my head: What vegetarian dish shall i cook for that girl tomorrow?

@Johannes_B steak?

@DavidCarlisle I'd love to have steak. :-)

@Johannes_B vegetarian spaghetti bolognese

or a cheese quiche

@yo' Was her first suggestion as well. ;-)

or fondue

@yo' I hate fondue. And raclette as well >:-/

@Johannes_B oh! What about fried cheese?

@yo' It is not the cheese i hate, it is the preparation/cooking/eating. I am very special that way ...

@Johannes_B yeah, well, fried cheese was a joke a bit. I personally love it, but only occasionally :-)

@yo' I was thinking of pizza.

Fried cheese? What, like a chupaqueso?

@kahen Like a schnützel.

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@Johannes_B -- you might try linguini primavera. with good-sized chunks of beautiful colored vegetables (red, green, yellow peppers, zucchini, mushrooms, maybe tiny eggplants, ...) and sauced with good garlic-infused olive oil and a chunk of good cheese grated over it at table, it's not only tasty, but pretty.

@barbarabeeton Even your description of it is beautiful.

@barbarabeeton Most disturbing thing is seeing an eggplant in my head, but not knowing the german word for it. Tookk me two minutes to finally say: Ah, Aubergine.

@Johannes_B -- if you do try it, please report on its success (or lack thereof). steam the veggies, but not too much; they should crunch just a bit when you bit into them.

@barbarabeeton I don't know if we cook that tomorrow, but i certainly will try this out in the foreseeable future. I'll report my findings.

@Johannes_B yes it's called Aubergine in English as well.

@Johannes_B -- ah, yes, aubergine -- but that's french originally. the tiny asian ones, some long, some round, are quite pretty. they are also good stuffed and baked. (and a japanese/fusion restaurant that i frequent cooks the little round thai eggplants, in halves or quarters, with a teriyaki-like sauce that's just yummy!) have a good dinner.

@barbarabeeton :-)

Is there any way to 'squish' a verbatim environment... so that the maximum line width would be the hbox width. I'm not sure if that makes sense or not

@baxx well.. you could scale it, but scaling text is evil, or you can use \small\begin{verbatim} or listings has verbatim-like environment that allows line breaking

@Johannes_B lilek is the word you look for :)

@DavidCarlisle cheers, I'll have a look at both suggestions :)

@yo' First czech word learnt :-)

@Johannes_B c'mon, you have to know pivo

@DavidCarlisle -- or melanzana in greek. if you really want to get exotic, imam bayildi, though that phrase doesn't contain the word for "eggplant", only the effect it had on an appreciative diner.

@yo' Oh, right. The stack is growing :-)

@Johannes_B :-)

@barbarabeeton That sounds turkish. What is it?

@barbarabeeton Είμαι πολύ γνωστή σε αυτό το chatroom για την κυριαρχία μου όλες αυτές τις γλώσσες .

@Johannes_B -- it is turkish (although i learned it from an armenian). it means "the imam fainted", either at the deliciousness of the dish, or at the cost of the olive oil used in its preparation.

@DavidCarlisle -- oh, okay. i'll have to go use a dictionary on that.

@barbarabeeton reverse google translate

@barbarabeeton I only know Selam and güle güle

@yo' what do you mean reverse ? :-)

@DavidCarlisle that's clear, isn't it?

@barbarabeeton It's melanzana in Italian! It's Μελιτζάνα in Greek. :)

@yo' -- but you'll deprive my underused greek dictionary of well-deserved attention.

@egreg -- got me there!

@barbarabeeton huh?

@barbarabeeton And the Italian word is linguine, not linguini. I know that in the US they're called like this, but, still…

@egreg -- urk. yes, i do know better, but it's friday, and my fingers don't always hit the right keys.

@barbarabeeton ah ok, got it now, thanks. (I'm sometimes slow, especially with a glass of wine.)

@barbarabeeton It's always a screech to my ears when I hear somebody ask for “one panini”, “linguini” or “lasagna”. In Italian, panini is plural, linguini doesn't exist and lasagna is only one of the pasta layers; we use to eat lasagne: eating a lasagna makes no sense.

@egreg -- my grasp of italian is pretty slender, even in restaurant terms. i have little excuse; wouldn't even need to learn a new alphabet or script. how much help is decades-unused latin?

@barbarabeeton Not much, I'm afraid.

@ClemensNiederberger I was reading the chemmacros manual: Just so you know, fac and mer have symbols in addition to the words rsc.org/Publishing/ChemScience/Volume/2008/10/… so an option for that would be really useful for organometallic chemists.

@egreg -- i guess i'll just have to find a way to visit. at the best occasion so far, the weather was so warm in strasbourg that instead of heading south on our eurailpasses, we headed north and ended up in helsinki (a city i'm always happy to visit; i don't understand finnish either).

@barbarabeeton Helsinki -- what a lovely city! And I liked Turku, too

@barbarabeeton A bit norther than Italy. :)

@barbarabeeton Is there anybody who understands Finnish? ;-)

@egreg -- yup. a lot norther. someday i hope to spend new year's in northern finland, and get a reindeer driver's license. (would be nice to produce when i'm asked for my motorcycle license.)

@barbarabeeton :)

@egreg -- i assume some finns understand it. i've become quite find of the band "Värttinä", but most of my favorite songs are sung in old finnish, which isn't much help with the contemporary language.

@barbarabeeton My sister and her husband once carried their motorbike on a train to Hamburg, then started for North Cape through Norway, coming back via Helsinki and Sweden. No more trains. It was a Honda Goldwing, so it was more like a truck, to be honest.

@barbarabeeton What I said: even Finns don't understand Finnish. :D

@egreg -- well, even if no more trains, i suspect there was a ship involved. getting from stockholm to helsinki and back (unless one goes the loooong way around) is a nice cruise on a class-1 icebreaker.

@barbarabeeton Yes, a boat to cross the Baltic sea, but the short way.

@egreg -- but they do speak english very well, so we had no problems getting directions. (and also the latin alphabet, so maps are intelligible, even if not in english.)

@egreg -- do hungarians understand hungarian?

@barbarabeeton I have a Hungarian student, this semester. I'll ask her.

@ClemensNiederberger Question for you: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/241652/…

@barbarabeeton they do. It's an incredible language :)

@Canageek You should supplement the question with a MWE

@barbarabeeton something like this:

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{amsmath}
\makeatletter
\let\old@start@align\start@align
\def\start@align{\iffalse{\fi\ifnum0=`}\fi\old@start@align}
\let\old@endalign\endalign
\def\endalign{\old@endalign\ifnum0=`{}\fi}
\makeatother

\begin{document}

\begin{tabular}{p{4cm}p{4cm}}
\begin{align}
a&=b\\
x&=t
\end{align}
&
\begin{align}
a&=b\\
x&=t
\end{align}
\\
\begin{align}
a&=b\\
x&=t
\end{align}
&
\begin{align}
a&=b\\
x&=t
\end{align}
\end{tabular}

\end{document}

@yo' -- i like the sound of it, at least sung. when i was an undergraduate, i worked for a couple of summers in the aeronautics department at johns hopkins university, and the place was overflowing with hungarian grad students, refugees from the russian invasion. but i never really caught them speaking hungarian; their english was very fluent.

@egreg Working on it

@DavidCarlisle -- looks promising; i'll give it a try. but i'm not sure how many other environments will have to be treated likewise. i think anything that expects a & or a \\ in its scope. until i dig into the code, not sure. (and i'll be pretty busy the next two weeks ... it's the semiannual cublcle cleaning, and i have to pack all my shelves, then unpack; takes nearly a week each way.)

@barbarabeeton as is it breaks some of the others, as they share \endalign but have different start code. But as a "patch" it's easier to add the {} brace to the start. I think it can probably be pushed down to one of the core shared macros may look later, but in that form it doesn't even add an extra grouping level so it should be a fairly safe change (as safe as any change)

@Johannes_B -- well, that's a new one for me. a finnish oompah band!

@barbarabeeton This is more something for drunk germans at festivals, but in finnland they seem to be pretty popular.

@egreg Added. That was a huge pain as I can't use my forumlas, so I had to make one that were long enough to break yet still valid enough for chemmacros, then get them right to the edge of the page.

@Johannes_B -- the short pants reminded me of lederhosen (lederhöschen?). the outfits, though, look distinctly non-german.

@barbarabeeton :-)

@ChristianHupfer Talking about Humppa and co, i thought you listen to this :-D

@Canageek Answer on line. :)

Is there any case where I could justify the inverse of a namedef macro?

I think I'm doing something in quite the overcomplicated manner....

Evening all!

@1010011010 ? \string ?

@DavidCarlisle Oh, of course... Thanks

I can't believe it was that easy... haha

Oh and is there any way to retroactively determine the page number? After a LaTeX run? That would make my life oh so much easier....

@1010011010 no idea what that means but answer must be yes

@DavidCarlisle \c@page makes everything complicated again, I want to set a label and determine the page number after the LaTeX run...

after latex everything has finished, presumably you want to run latex after whatever you set? (I honestly have no idea what you mean)

@1010011010 if you force page breaks you can make every page have any number you want

All right... So I am using sidenotes, which places marginpars as floats. For two-sided documents (of which mine is one), it uses \c@page to check whether the note should be in the left or in the right margin. I'd really like to determine the page number after the LaTeX run. I can imagine it's possible.

@1010011010 just put \label{foo} into the note and look for foo in the aux file (that's all \ref does, but you can do it yourself for other purposes

I'll have to look at that tomorrow. I'm pretty tired at this point. Night.

night