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Jeroen Vannevel

12:00 AM

I'll have to look into it later. I guess my paper will be without a glossary :P

Christian Hupfer

@JeroenVannevel Well, the easiest solution seems to be installing Perl

Jeroen Vannevel

huh

I fixed it

I combined tex.stackexchange.com/questions/41513/… with brianhoffmann.de/journal/thesis/2011-08-01/…, latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=945 and latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21297

I'm not touching any more of my configuration until my paper is safely handed in

Nasser

3:08 AM

I just did a full update of TL 2014 on linux, but I do not see dvisvgm being updated. There is a new version of it. Why it does not show up in the update?

[ 42/205, 02:17/06:13] update: dowith [1180k] (29501 -> 38860) ... done
[ 43/205, 02:19/06:13] update: dvipdfmx [344k] (37159 -> 38779) ... done
[ 44/205, 02:21/06:17] update: dvipdfmx-def [49k] (38439 -> 38796) ... done
[ 45/205, 02:24/06:25] update: dvips [627k] (38519 -> 39052) ... done
[ 46/205, 02:26/06:27] update: dynamicnumber [161k] (38590 -> 38726) ... done

After the TL update it done, I still have the old version:

dvisvgm (TeX Live) 1.9.2

But the new version is 1.14

which dvisvgm
/usr/local/texlive/2015/bin/x86_64-linux/dvisvgm

Ok, I send email to tex-live asking. May be someone will know.

Nasser

4:10 AM

THis is strange. I send email to tex-live@tug.org but my email never showed up.

Christian Hupfer

7:23 AM

Good maen

Joseph Wright

7:35 AM

@ChristianHupfer Hello

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright Good morning

Joseph Wright

@Nasser If you've got TL'14 the latest version available might not be the current one (I'll check)

Christian Hupfer

@Nasser: TL 2015 has dvisvgm version 1.9.2. for me

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Same here

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright: Is it possible to update an older TL yet, say version 2013, that was not updated for a long time to push it to the freeze state? (Sorry for my clumsy English)

Joseph Wright

7:48 AM

@ChristianHupfer Yes

@ChristianHupfer You set the remote repo to the 'final' one, and you can then update from say the DVD version

Christian Hupfer

@JosephWright Thanks.

Feeds

Joseph Wright has added an event to this room's schedule.

Christian Hupfer

8:26 AM

Off-topic (as the user states himself)?

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Q: TeXShop screen vibration when swiping to scroll down

I believe this is off-topic but perhaps someone can help me... Days ago I bought a new computer (a 2015 Macbook Pro) and installed MacTeX and TeXShop on it. One of my old habits in TeXShop is making a big swipe to jump to the bottom or the top of a short document, or to quickly check if I am at...

texshop

Paulo Cereda

9:45 AM

@ChristianHupfer I have no idea of what is going on. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda usual state of play then:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I am not surprised :-P

Paulo Cereda

10:05 AM

@egreg: my votes were reversed. Gonzalo is back to 299,992. Wait a minute, let's keep that way, it's palindromic!

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Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I've the impression you could be regarded as a serial upvoter? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I think there's some sort of Spanish Inquisition going on. :)

(that's someone's cue)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Rather some Voting Inquisition :-P Confess, Confess

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I will ask @percusse to burn the houses. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Penitentiagite!

This should be the right time for the party!

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Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

10:19 AM

@egreg That two . . .

egreg

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Apply a downvote. ;-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@egreg I can't downvote in TeX.SX. （ノT＿T)ノ＾┻━┻

egreg

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Too bad! He'll keep that 2, then. ;-)

Christian Hupfer

@egreg Better to get him one 1 rep to make 300,003 ;-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Hey I could work with that.

What's the prime factorization of 100,001?

egreg

10:23 AM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. 11*9091

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Dang.

Changes username to 100,001

egreg

By the way, 300002=2*150001

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Gonzalo prima

egreg

Unfortunately, Gonzalo hasn't shown up since November 9.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Party! :)

Christian Hupfer

10:34 AM

@egreg: Harish is missing since Nov 28, KarlKoeller even since end of August

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I am missed 10 seconds ago.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda By whom? :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Oh.

I... need to go. /sob

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: <3 <3

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer must be his mother, who else could it be?

Rico

10:36 AM

@PauloCereda <3

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle Of course. Mothers always miss their sons

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer awww

@Rico awww

@DavidCarlisle awwww.... oh wait, oy

:)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Welcome back Mr. Cereda. We missed you (Wearing black sun glasses and look like Agent Smith in Matrix ;-))

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooh a German in a tuxedo! :)

And a Martini!

Christian Hupfer

Paulo Cereda

10:44 AM

@ChristianHupfer oh no

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda :-P

Rico

@ChristianHupfer I don't remember seeing a duck in matrix

egreg

@Rico Their camouflage was successful.

Christian Hupfer

11:00 AM

@Rico Ducks are everywhere

Paulo Cereda

@Rico There is a lot of ducks in that movie. :)

Christian Hupfer

Rico

@ChristianHupfer WTF? DuckVader?

Paulo Cereda

@Rico o.O

Christian Hupfer

Rico

11:08 AM

@ChristianHupfer bahahahaha

Christian Hupfer

@Rico Just two proofs that Ducks are everywhere :D

And here is my favourite game:

Rico

I'm a bit duckblind

Christian Hupfer

Does anybody remember ~~Quake~~ Quack 1 at all? ;-) Am I that old ? :D

@PauloCereda: And now for something completely different .. some Duck content

pinterest.com/chrys105/duckies

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooooh

Christian Hupfer

11:24 AM

Till later on, I have to leave for some hours.

Rico

is there any way to get a notification if there is something to review?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Rico Not that I've seen.

You just have to click that button like crazy.

David Carlisle

12:08 PM

bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/35197501

@egreg ^^^^

egreg

@DavidCarlisle “It was only England's second Test victory away from home since 2012” …

David Carlisle

1:00 PM

@egreg and how many tests has Italy won in that time?

egreg

1:33 PM

Italy national cricket team

The Italy national cricket team is the team that represents the country of Italy in international cricket matches. They have been an associate member of the International Cricket Council since 1995, having previously been an affiliate member since 1984. The Italian national cricket team is administered by the Federazione Cricket Italiana (Italian Cricket Federation). They are currently ranked 28th in the world by the ICC, and are ranked fifth amongst European non-Test teams. They are in Division Four of the World Cricket League and Division One of the European Championship. Italy won their first...

David Carlisle

2:15 PM

@egreg so that's none then

egreg

@DavidCarlisle TL;DR

This should be closed either as off-topic because non reproducible (the second example works flawlessly) or as duplicate of the canonical question about the package order involving hyperref and cleveref.

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Q: Issue with ntheorem and \eqref

Whenever I try and label an equation in the following format \begin{equation}\label{eq:blah} blah \end{equation} and then reference this equation By \eqref{eq:blah} I get the usual (??) of an ill-defined labeling. It only happens with equation environments though. I've tried removing almos...

equations ntheorem

Christian Hupfer

2:51 PM

@Rico Ask Papiro ;-)

Papiro

4:41 PM

@ChristianHupfer ;)

Happy New Year for all..

Joseph Wright

4:52 PM

> [there is a requirement to] collect and collate a copy of all the manuals on this module. While I know some of them are on [teaching website], I think it would be best if you could send me the manual in a /*Word*/ format so that I can collate and merge the various manuals into a single document.

moewe

Good afternoon everybody

Joseph Wright

/me Hunts for PDF to Word converter, finds one, avoids issue with colleague

@moewe Hello

Christian Hupfer

@moewe Hello

@JosephWright ???

Joseph Wright

@ChristianHupfer Email I've had today

moewe

@JosephWright After you have finished that hunt, would you mind having a look at tex.stackexchange.com/q/208028

Christian Hupfer

4:54 PM

@JosephWright Ah, well, go ahead :D

moewe

I noticed that your code in biblatex-ieee is the exeact answer the OP is looking for

Joseph Wright

@moewe Ooh: so I can re-post it and get upvotes :-)

moewe

@JosephWright That would be it I guess ;-)

it basically is github.com/josephwright/biblatex-ieee/issues/17

Joseph Wright

@moewe Have some work to do ATM, will post that later

moewe

@JosephWright Great, thanks

Joseph Wright

5:05 PM

@DavidCarlisle Team meeting agenda going to be fun

David Carlisle

@JosephWright :-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle We probably won't get to the last item anyway ...

Rico

6:15 PM

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Q: Avoid figure above section title

I am generally happy with where LaTeX puts the various figures in my document, except when it puts them on top of the title of its own section. This is particularly annoying if the section starts on a new page. How can you avoid that? I know that you can use the option \begin{figure}[b] to make ...

floats

what is it, that people write totally useless "I package that does..." questions and answer them themself?

Torbjørn T.

@Rico He probably didn't know about the package, and it solved is problem. Apart from the fact that he could have asked David to make an answer (he needs the points, after all ...), I don't see the big problem there.

Rico

just noticed, that there were a lot of those the last view days

Torbjørn T.

@Rico You could be right, I haven't noticed.

egreg

6:32 PM

@TorbjørnT. It's a duplicate, anyway.

Christian Hupfer

6:43 PM

@Rico That's the cause of your Meta question -- we (well most of us, not @egreg ;-)) restricted ourselves to not give answers and low rep users answer now (their own question) :-P

Rico

7:29 PM

@ChristianHupfer haha so its my own fault :D maybe i have to practice a bit more, so I can anwser them :D :D

Christian Hupfer

7:59 PM

@Rico You could use Perl to answer some of the questions here :-P

Rico

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Paulo Cereda

8:18 PM

@Rico LOLOLOLOLOL

Christian Hupfer

@Rico I assume, @DavidCarlisle assisted you with MS-Pain(t) drawing this charming, er, face ;-)

Rico

@ChristianHupfer its a meme from the beginning of time, where memes where first used :D

Christian Hupfer

@Rico I am probably too old for this :-(

Arun Debray

8:42 PM

@ChristianHupfer does that count as a Perl of wisdom?

Christian Hupfer

@ArunDebray Nice pun :D

Joseph Wright

9:40 PM

LaTeX team meeting going well :-)

egreg

@JosephWright Discussing about the cricket test win?

Joseph Wright

10:34 PM

@egreg Didn't come up, oddly

@egreg You got a mention, though

egreg

@JosephWright Not from David, I guess. ;-)

David Carlisle

@egreg guess wrong, as usual

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Was it about UTF-8?

David Carlisle

@egreg yes, just giving credit where due, even used your real name

egreg

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

10:44 PM

@egreg mainly as a marker so I can blame you if it all goes bad after release

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Of course! Better having someone else to blame.

@DavidCarlisle I always have you.

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David Carlisle

@egreg aren't you the lucky one

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda We might be after you for your graphic skills in the near future ...

David Carlisle

@JosephWright we could use my plane

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle That is certainly true

@DavidCarlisle picture mode FTW

David Carlisle

10:50 PM

@JosephWright relevant technology as well as artistically impressive!

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright on the lua graphics thing certainly initially we can make a luatex def file just by translating/simplifying the pdftex one, but it may be that you'd want in the end to use more lua, notably img or epdf libraries, perhaps.

StrongBad

Anyone know how to recreate the texlive symlinks on linux?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Worth considering but things do work OK without that effort: I'd want to see some reason to do the extra work

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes sure, I'd need to read the manual again but if there were more graphics types or better clipping or ... available from lua. Certainly for color there's the possibility (cf luacolor) of using font and node attributes to manage colour rather than the traditional whatsits, that may need rather too many changes in the package layer to be purely a back end def file though,

@StrongBad ?

StrongBad

11:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle I deleted my /bin directory but not my /usr/local/texlive directory

I want to add back the symlinks, but cannot figure it out with tlmgr

David Carlisle

@StrongBad why have them at all rather than just add the texlive bin directory to your path?

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle because I always have ... I have never really thought about it.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad using the path seems easier (a lot easier if you have more than one tex installation) but if you want a symlink from everything in /usr/local/texlive/2015/bin/whatever to /usr/local/bin then cd /usr/local/texlive/2015/bin/whatever; for i in *; do ln -s $i /usr/local/bin; done probably does that

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle I can see your point about multiple versions. I just wasn't sure if there were things outside of /usr/local/texlive/2015/bin that needed to be linked. I figured out how to do it with tlmgr (you just have to ignore the warnings).

Do you keep all the old versions installed?

David Carlisle

@StrongBad sometimes (currently I have 2015 and 2016 installed) Joseph just mentioned on a conf call he has all versions since I think 2009

@StrongBad tlmgr hasn't made symlinks by default for some years has it?

StrongBad

11:17 PM

@DavidCarlisle I have no idea, I keep reusing the same installation profile.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright at your sevice. :)

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle I am surprised you use TeXLive, I would have thought you would have compiled it from source.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle The equation environment doesn't absorb its contents (even with amsmath), but I agree that the white lie can scare the OP so not to attempt such tricks in the future.

David Carlisle

@egreg yes I remembered but you'd already answered by then. Doesn't really matter on the technicalities though, if OP tries \equation today it'll be \align tomorrow:-)

egreg

@StrongBad I can't recommend making symlinks in /usr/bin; they're useless and also dangerous if some package manager wants to install some TeX related package from the official repository (say Debian or Fedora): you end up with an unusable TeX system.

David Carlisle

11:20 PM

@StrongBad well tl2016 I do compile from source (but only so i can test luatex) before last year I hadn't compiled tex from source since the 1980's :-)

@PauloCereda I think we agreed to use

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A: Draw an aircraft with Tikz

It was suggested in chat http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9482087#9482087 That picture mode would be the ideal tool for the job here: \documentclass{article} \begin{document} \begin{picture}(200,100) \put(30,40){\line(1,0){150}} \put(30,40){\line(0,1){60}} \put(30,100){\line(...

@PauloCereda so your services may not be needed:-)

egreg

@StrongBad I remember having compiled TeX from source in 1993; then teTeX came along…

StrongBad

@egreg Arch has a dummy package to prevent that, but now that I think about it, it makes more sense to just add things to the path.

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