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7:43 AM
Seems to be a problem at the DANTE server :-(
 
8:17 AM
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Q: Swapping of surname and its initials

murthyBelow is my code: \documentclass{article} \newcommand\JRNL[1]{#1} \newcommand\AUGRP[1]{{#1}} \newcommand\AUTHOR[1]{#1} \newcommand\SNM[1]{#1} \newcommand\INITS[1]{#1} \newcommand\SEP[1]{#1\ignorespaces} \newcommand\ATITLE[1]{#1} \newcommand\JTITLE[1]{{\em #1}} \newcommand\VOLUME[1]{#1} \newcomma...

Is it just me, or is there something seriously strange about this question? I've never seen a bibliography built that way.
@AlanMunn I really liked the one where Wittgenstein is enumerating the rules of D&D
 
8:58 AM
@Brent.Longborough Certainly odd
 
9:26 AM
@JosephWright Didn't like \em either...
 
@Brent.Longborough \em is allowed in LaTeX2e: it's the other two-letter switches that are not
 
@JosephWright Hmm, I learn something new every day :-}
Perhaps we should call that 'bibliography by calligraphy'?
 
9:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle As DANTE is down, did you get my e-mail about stand-alone tests?
@DavidCarlisle Ah, it's back up
 
10:25 AM
@DavidCarlisle Oh? \rm or \it ?
 
@Brent.Longborough I have adjusted the history of this chat:-)
@Brent.Longborough what about rm and it ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Wow! Rarely does one get the privilege of fixing a @DavidCarlisle typo. :-o
@DavidCarlisle Nothing at all. Changing your alias to @Orwell
 
@Brent.Longborough no it wasn't a typo I meant em was like all the other 2 letter commands (but it's not:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, now I am enlightened! #ZenTeX
 
@JosephWright I tried lua version of make clean make check and it's been sat at Running checks on d3dvipdfmx for 5 minutes, I guess it's got lost and I need to kill it...
 
11:00 AM
A new user in Math.SE. :)
 
11:14 AM
@StephanLehmke: you beat me to it, I love your comment on the TeX syntax thingy. I was just adding mine:
Just to add my humble POV, difference is in the eye of the beholder. Syntax preference is a matter of taste and ideology; if you grew up accustomed to a certain construct or command pattern, there's a tendency for labeling different representations of the same lagic as wacky or strange. :) Besides, I have the impression Maslow's hammer applies here as well. :) I remember of the arithmetic IF in Fortran and different decimal marks in ALGOL, so your mileage may vary. Personally, I believe this question turns more opinion-based. — Paulo Cereda 34 secs ago
@David: remember the arithmetic IF? :)
 
@PauloCereda yes
@PauloCereda and computed goto
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh I forgot that one!
 
@PauloCereda I was pretty impressed that SIMULA had functional IF (inherited from ALGOL), especially as it was otherwise quite similar to PASCAL :-)
 
@StephanLehmke We had so many stories to share. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes and not to forget my "efficient" 6502 assembler code where I achieved "computed JMP" by writing the address directly into the program code ;-)
 
11:22 AM
@StephanLehmke OMG no linker? :P
 
@PauloCereda Not on the VIC 20 :-)
 
@StephanLehmke ooh. :)
 
Why do you have this problem? Mainly because the svmono class in badly written, unfortunately. — egreg 8 mins ago
@egreg not your favourite class?
 
@DavidCarlisle I can relate to that, really. :)
 
@PauloCereda I wrote minimal.cls the OP should have used that.
 
11:25 AM
@cgnieder: oh my, did the adult thingy really retweet your #LaTeX post? :P
@DavidCarlisle Is minimal minimal?
 
@PauloCereda for some definitions of minimal, yes
 
Well we devised a really sophisticated "swapping device" (based on exchanging the zero page memory by a hardware switch) which allowed parallel execution for real-time programming, and there also was a program for moving code "modules" to arbitrary memory positions, but that was based on calculating specific addresses for the JMPs.
 
@cgnieder ooh that's naughty! :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, thanks. I had already found it tex.stackexchange.com/questions/96865/… (tex.sx search is usually where I look first :)
 
12:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle How did you guess? But there are worse than that.
 
Tomorrow I'll be at the polling station, so I'll be able to log in for just a few minutes. @DavidCarlisle, it's your moment.
 
@cgnieder Of course the adult site retweeted your post, because it is damn sexy :)
 
@HenriMenke :) That goes without saying!
 
12:44 PM
@PauloCereda »if you grew up accustomed to a certain construct or command pattern, there's a tendency for labeling different representations of the same logic as wacky or strange« – that's not only true for programming languages
 
@egreg Helping with the election?
 
@JosephWright I'm the head of the polling station. I've done it for 25+ years.
 
@DavidCarlisle Just got in 'engineers are investigating'
@egreg Ah, right
 
1:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle Should now be fixed
 
1:21 PM
@egreg does that mean you need to be able to count?
@egreg I'm off line tomorrow:-)
@JosephWright trying...
@JosephWright it's done three tests and seems to be working, stopped on the first last time, thanks
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool
@DavidCarlisle Wait until you see all the failures!
@DavidCarlisle I'm going to normalise out a few more
 
@DavidCarlisle I have my sister as secretary, she's able to count.
 
1:43 PM
:15704500 $ ls test/*.diff | wc -l
42
 
@DavidCarlisle Sounds about right
@DavidCarlisle I'll hopefully get it down a bit further yet with some normalisation
@DavidCarlisle I have two parallel runs going on: one make check with the old scripts, one with the Lua ones: adding a few more normalisations (mainly for LuaTeX)
 
2:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle I've hopefully removed all of the XeTeX variation I now can: the remaining ones are due to different specials, chardef limits or box allocations in drivers
 
@cgnieder Indeed. :)
@DavidCarlisle 42 is a magic number, pack and release. :)
@GonzaloMedina: I watched the debate. I'm sorry for the political situation in Colombia. :(
 
@JosephWright sounds good
 
I went to bed 4AM, the bus broke. :(
 
2:26 PM
@egreg After looking at your answer, I still don't know how you managed to obtain the code you showed.
 
@DavidCarlisle More LuaTeX bugs to report!
 
@AndreaL. the tracing log do you mean?
@JosephWright they are going to wish for the days when it was a context only engine:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I'm sure it's not the classic *.log file
 
\ddanger If you set ^|\tracingparagraphs||=1|, your log file will contain a
summary of \TeX's line-breaking calculations, so you can watch the tradeoffs
that occur when parameters like |\linepenalty| and |\hyphenpenalty| and
|\adjdemerits| are twiddled.
@AndreaL. says the texbook ^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle Possibly
 
2:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle I will get it sooner or later, I swear! Anyway, thanks for the clarification ;)
 
@AndreaL. there are a whole host of tracexxxx parameters that if you set non zero cause stuff to be written to the log, the macro \tracingall sets almost all of them at once which saves remembering which is which, but can make a lot of output
 
@DavidCarlisle That's right, I remember I used \tracingall once (as I was dealing with macro expansion/definition inside the *.log).
 
2:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle At least three bugs now
\expandafter\show\csname foo#\endcsname
is a surprising one
 
@JosephWright ##
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I know
@DavidCarlisle Comes up in one of Bruno's fp tests, bizarrely
 
@JosephWright yes just letting you know I'd reproduced it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle I think the LuaTeX team are about to really regret our interest
 
Apparently I'm writing a metametametacompiler. Someone please kills me.
 
3:00 PM
@JosephWright OTOH the community as a whole might really profit from LuaTeX becoming fully compatible.
 
@StephanLehmke Yes, of course
@StephanLehmke Certainly we will try to get the differences documented: the test suite is good at finding these things
@StephanLehmke For context, what we are currently up to is moving from testing expl3 only with pdfTeX to testing with pdfTeX/XeTeX/LuaTeX
 
@JosephWright ... and having seen some of Brunos code this means even the darkest corners are getting illuminated...
 
@StephanLehmke Yes: the test that picked up the # business is for arbitrary catcodes and l3fp: he changes - to catcode 6 and I get a really weird set of errors
 
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Q: "Bad question" warning without any negative question

FooBarI got a warning on tex.stackexchange.com: Wait! Some of your past questions have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from asking any more. For help formulating a clear, useful question, see: How do I ask a good question? Also, edit your previous questio...

@Werner You tend to be the meta expert: any ideas?
 
@JosephWright 2out of 4 have been closed duplicate but they don't look too bad questions to generate a warning really
 
@DavidCarlisle Totally agree: weird warning, not required and not even a link saying how it works
 
4:18 PM
@JosephWright I added my thoughts.
 
@egreg Saw that: makes sense
@egreg Probably the back-end only looks at closed as a whole
 
@JosephWright Which is wrong, IMO, as I wrote. But four questions are really too few for judging anyway.
 
@egreg Yes
@egreg As far as I can make out the way this works isn't public, so it's hard to really know what is going on
@egreg Will you be grabbing the final MacTeX pretest later today?
 
@JosephWright IIRC, a user is reminded to accept answers only if more than five or so are still unaccepted. Why just four for something heavier like banning?
 
@egreg Hopefully one of the staff will answer
 
4:24 PM
@JosephWright Possibly. I should go to bed early, as the polling station opens at 7am
 
@egreg Sounds like a good plan
@egreg Where do you use?
 
@JosephWright It's not far from my house. Less than five minutes by motorbike.
We have two elections: the European parliament and the Municipality, so I expect more than 500 voters out of 635.
 
@PauloCereda Hopefully nobody kills you, a KISS is much better, isn't it?
 
@egreg the same here but I'd still be surprised if much more than 50% are going to vote tomorrow
 
@cgnieder 50% would be very high here for a European election
 
4:35 PM
@cgnieder I expect not more than 70% for the European elections, globally for Italy, which would be quite low. But municipal election is a different matter.
 
@egreg Wow: that's a massive turnout
 
@JosephWright could be less. IIRC the last elections have been around 40%-45%. Municipal elections won't change much I believe
 
@cgnieder We expect 30-35% for European/local elections and from about 55-65% for general elections
 
@JosephWright I've seen something like that mentioned on Meta Stack Exchange before...
 
@egreg 70% is actually quite good.
 
4:43 PM
...I think.
 
@cgnieder For Italy it's quite low.
 
@JosephWright Bundestag elections usually have between 65 and 80%
 
@Werner Yes: looking around the rules are not public
@cgnieder So slightly better than the UK, at least
@cgnieder UK turnout at last general election 65%
 
Just a short question: Does anyone know if the ff-ligature in Stempel Garamond is missing?
 
@JosephWright IIRC 70 or 71% the last Bundestags election – not a huge difference
 
4:47 PM
Or am I doing something wrong?
\setmainfont[
	Ligatures={TeX,Common},
	Numbers={OldStyle}
]{Stempel Garamond LT Std}
 
@JosephWright: Found this as well, mentioning that deleted questions are included in the "bad question" aura:
I see three questions. Two of which are deleted - neither of which has any upvotes. The message is correct - deleted posts contribute to question bans. — Oded ♦ May 19 at 13:54
Don't know whether the OP has some deleted or closed questions.
 
@Werner No
 
Perhaps the algorithm is fickle with accounts that don't have many posts...
...to be "warned about a bad question posting" at 3 questions seem... well, harsh.
 
@cgnieder I think I know why your post has been retweeted by AdultPicHosting.
 
@Werner I suspect @egreg's answer is right, and that 'percentage closed' is the criterion used with no account taken of the difference between dupes and other closing reasons
 
5:00 PM
@HenriMenke because I said that LaTeX was fun?
 
@cgnieder The account appears to be a bot which retweet everything that has the word latex in it. It is quite a funny mix of fetish stuff, typesetting and household items.
 
@HenriMenke makes sense. Actually this probably is the reason. It's funny anyway
 
@HenriMenke Looks like a font restriction. Have you thought of using EB Garamond?
\setmainfont[
	Ligatures={TeX,Common},
	Numbers={OldStyle}
]{Stempel Garamond LT Std}

Stempel Garamond LT Std

ff fl fi fj ffl ffi ffj

\setmainfont[
	Ligatures={TeX,Common},
	Numbers={OldStyle}
]{EB Garamond}

EB Garamond

ff fl fi fj ffl ffi ffj
 
5:17 PM
@Brent.Longborough According to Bringhurst Stempel Garamond is the one most similar to Claude Garamont's original cut.
 
@HenriMenke Hang on, let me consult him...
 
@Brent.Longborough Page 234 :)
 
going nuts on my expand issue :(
 
@HenriMenke Hmm. Yes. I suspect Bringhurst didn't know about Georg Duffner's work, which I think is recent. You might like to read here. IMO, a very beautiful font. FWIW
@HenriMenke Of course, the fact that Stempel Garamond comes with a boldface series, for me, casts doubts on its seriousness... LOL
@HenriMenke BTW p.230 in my version (3.2)
 
@Brent.Longborough Sorry about the confusion. I should have mentioned that it is in 4.0. IMHO the lack of bold face is a real deficiency.
 
5:29 PM
@HenriMenke OK, I may be a bit conservative, but bold with Garamond is an anachronism (help, @egreg)
 
@Brent.Longborough Ah, I see. Well you're right. In Claude Garamont's time there was no bold face.
Is there a possibility in fontspec to map bold to regular to avoid warnings like Font shape `EU1/EBGaramond(0)/bx/n' undefined?
 
@HenriMenke Quite. But I can imagine creative uses of bold face with Garamond; it's just that we don't know hoe his bold type would have looked, had he made one.
@HenriMenke Yes, there is. Let me dig through my 5 million files...
@HenriMenke You can either \usepackage{ebgaramond}, or dig through ebgaramond.sty
 
@Brent.Longborough Thank you very much, Sir!
 
5:48 PM
@HeikoOberdiek uh-oh, should I keep it simple then? :)
 
@HeikoOberdiek I was going to offer
 
6:06 PM
@HenriMenke Most welcome. Bitte schön
 
6:23 PM
@Brent.Longborough It's like Ben Hur running with his Ferrari, while wearing a wristwatch and talking at a cell phone. (Is this enough?)
 
@egreg I think we've saved the day...
 
@Brent.Longborough I forgot! Taking a selfie with his iPad!
 
@egreg More like Missa Papae Marcelli conducted by Stravinsky Varèse
 
@Brent.Longborough Who's Stravinsky? ;-)
 
@egreg A wonderful composer.
Or maybe Wagner
 
6:44 PM
@PauloCereda Compromise: @DavidCarlisle could kill two or three "meta"s of your compiler?
 
7:10 PM
@Brent.Longborough Really? On the other hand, Varese is a town near Como and Milan.
 
7:38 PM
Today's Kitchen fact: When I start to multitask, I clog myself and I lose sync with one of the devices. The results know to be catastrophic.
 
 
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9:24 PM
@HeikoOberdiek Sounds like a plan to me. :)
 
 
1 hour later…
10:33 PM
@egreg I was just editing that:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@egreg what's so hard about the concept of starting examples with \documentclass ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Keeping secrets; somebody doesn't want others to know they're using something like sig-alternate.
@DavidCarlisle Meanwhile, @Werner has answered.
Good night! I have an early wake up.
 
@egreg yes I voted (so he's still 9k ahead:)
@egreg hope it goes well, have fun
 
@egreg :)
@DavidCarlisle :-/
 
10:43 PM
@egreg Night!
 
@DavidCarlisle But my plan of reaching 300K before you get at 200K seems going well.
 
@egreg well I have to let you have some glory
 
11:42 PM
@PauloCereda Which one did you watch? There was one on friday night and another one the night before. The situation is not that complex: it's basically corruption versus more corruption (the non corrupt candidates don't really stand a chance) :)
 

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