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12:02 AM
@DavidCarlisle Ignorance is a relative term.
 
@1010011010 War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength. ;-)
 
@egreg Thank god that quote doesn't contradict my assessment. :-)
Who is the right person to talk to about the implementation of tracking in the microtype package?
 
12:21 AM
@1010011010 actually true if it comes to ignorance about windows, I suppose I can't beat @egreg
 
12:48 AM
Thanks again for helping out. Calling it a day for now. See ya
 
1:04 AM
As I wrote to complain, it's only fair that I also write now to acknowledge and to thank: the community manager in charge of getting gifts in the mail to folks has contacted me and explain that my 200k gift was sent, but apparently got lost. He offered to send it again using a better mailing service. So, frustration on this account has started to vanish :) Thanks to Tim (the person in charge of mailing gifts) and to @JosephWright.
 
 
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7:09 AM
To be honest, I think you should probably be using a standard class with whatever packages. KOMA-Script is designed to be flexible within a particular set of constraints which are designed to make it more difficult to make bad choices about typography. Inevitably, this also excludes some perfectly good choices about the design and layout of particular documents. If you have clear ideas about how your document should look, you gain nothing by trying to use KOMA-Script and then fighting it every inch of the way. (Why do you care if it is well designed and documented if you want something else?) — cfr 7 hours ago
You are trying to bake a cake and insisting on using a blow torch on the grounds that the blow torch is very well designed and comes with great instructions. That makes it a good blow torch. It will not make you a good cake. Then when people point this out, you say it is OK to dismantle bits of the blow torch and repurpose them, adding some other things if needed, just so long as you can still use the blow torch. So now people are jerry-rigging ovens from bits of your blow torch and bits of other things and you are complaining that your cakes cook unevenly, sink in the middle or burn. — cfr 7 hours ago
 
 
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8:54 AM
@PauloCereda Have you been awake all night to party for the reelection? :P
 
@egreg Don't mention it. :) I'm really, really enraged. :( There we go down the drain for four more years.
 
@PauloCereda :(
 
@egreg Can't wait for a communist Brazil soon. :)
@egreg: in other news, have you updated your Mac to Yosemite?
 
@PauloCereda One; probably I'll do a second one later. The MacBook will be the last.
 
@PauloCereda Have here: XeTeX business is a pain
 
9:01 AM
@egreg It took me a lifetime.
@JosephWright Really? What happened?
 
@PauloCereda GUI programs launched 'normally' don't seem to be getting the correct PATH. Result: XeTeX can't run xdvipdfmx when using e.g. TeXworks and launching 'normally'. You have to launch from the Terminal, meaning if you close the Terminal you close TeXworks.
@PauloCereda Same here (I have three TL versions installed, so they all got moved 'somewhere' and back again)
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Q: Why did my TeX-related GUI program stop working in Mac OS X Yosemite?

Adam MaxwellFor example, TeX Live Utility 1.17 and earlier will not work on Mac OS X 10.10 Yosemite. If a shell task relies on the PATH environment variable to launch a command, rather than a fully-specified path, it will likely fail. A typical error message will look like this: /usr/texbin/updmap-sys: line...

 
@JosephWright Oh my!
@JosephWright Wow, so I suspect 4+ hours install.
 
@PauloCereda Yes, took me about 5-6 h
 
@JosephWright :(
@JosephWright Perhaps TeXworks did a reset on the path priority, maybe check in the preferences panel?
Oh I see, problem is more complicated than I thought. :(
 
@PauloCereda Tried that, of course :-)
 
9:12 AM
@JosephWright I'm stoopid. :)
 
 
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10:14 AM
paulo@alexandria ~$ ls Vídeos/Bagpuss/
01 - Ship In A Bottle.mp4    08 - The Mouse Mill.mp4
02 - The Owls Of Athens.mp4  09 - The Giant.mp4
03 - The Frog Princess.mp4   10 - The Old Man's Beard.mp4
04 - The Ballet Shoe.mp4     11 - The Fiddle.mp4
05 - The Hamish.mp4          12 - Flying.mp4
06 - The Wise Man.mp4        13 - Uncle Feedle.mp4
07 - The Elephant.mp4
@JosephWright: ^^ :)
 
[tohecz@toheshiba ~]$ ls Videos/Series/Tom\ and\ Jerry/
@Paulo guess the answer? ^^
 
@tohecz I wub you. <3
@tohecz: gotta love your laptop's name. :P I see what you did that, you naughty boy. :P
 
@PauloCereda well, giving a pc name toshiba would be wrong. But how to clearly distinguish it from my other machines?
 
@tohecz :)
 
 
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11:41 AM
@egreg: don't you like this?
%\vfill
%\bibliographystyle{apalike}
%{\small
%\bibliography{example}}
:)
 
12:33 PM
@PauloCereda I like Dilma better. ;-)
 
12:46 PM
Why are questions usually put on hold because they are "off-topic" instead of more appropriate flags like "not a question"? (referring to tex.stackexchange.com/questions/209273)
 
@egreg No. :)
 
@Harald This might as well be deleted if it's not changed
 
@egreg sure, My point was that I often see "off-topic" as the reason for close votes instead of, e.g., the "not a question" reason
 
@Harald Indeed, it could have been closed as "Unclear what you're asking", but the effect is the same.
 
@Harald There isn't a 'not a question' close reason any more
 
12:52 PM
ok, thanks.
 
@Harald The 'Powers' decided some time ago that 'off-topic' was the 'right' way to handle questions that sites do not answer for reasons of scope. For example, a question which is about a typo isn't one that will really be sensible to answer, so closing is the 'best' handling route and the issue is then what reason to give.
 
@Harald I considered using unclear what you were asking, but in this case it was pretty clear that he wasn't asking anything, so off topic seemed best. (When it is clear that a newcomer is asking an unclear question we tend (on tex.sx) not to close as unclear what you are asking, at least not for a while but instead encourage the user to fix the question without closing it first (which can be seen as hostile)
 
@JosephWright that's exactly what I was wondering about. Someone saying "Hi I have to read some TeX text" isn't exactly a question out of scope, but is a question ;)
@DavidCarlisle Ok that makes sense as well.
 
@Harald You might pick up that what the 'Powers' regard as the best approach isn't necessarily what seems the best approach to me :-)
@Harald I'd have gone for 'unclear'
 
It's probably just the boiler plate / canned text of the close vote ("This question does not fall within the scope") that has put me off ... ("which question?") :)
 
1:08 PM
@Harald Better approaches are always welcome: we are constrained by the tools provided by the network
 
@JosephWright wasn't meant as an offense
 
@Harald Understood: I was trying to get at 'As the tools have limitations, the best approach to things is not always straight-forward and new ideas are welcome'
 
1:29 PM
@Harald I've left a hopefully-helpful comment
 
@JosephWright I find it helpful :)
 
 
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4:51 PM
The title should be “Drawing a fried egg”
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Q: drawing a 2D-plane

Studenti need to draw this plane, but i don't know how can anyone help me? its important i need it in my master report. i try to use this from an old example to start with but it didn't work \begin{tikzpicture} \begin{scope} \clip[draw](48,1) to[closed,curve through={(50,3) .. (52,4) .. (51,6) ..(47...

 
@egreg Eggs Benedict. :)
 
5:11 PM
 
@egreg Do you like Green eggs and ham?
 
@egreg Where's the duck? :)
 
@PauloCereda which came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
@DavidCarlisle Das Chicken! :)
 
@PauloCereda A very definite answer for one of life's more difficult questions:-)
 
5:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle I could ask the emacs doctor too. :)
 
which came first, the chicken or the egg

Is it because of your plans that you say which came first the chicken
or the egg?

no

Why not?

shut up

Maybe your life has something to do with this.
@PauloCereda I hate that doctor
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
5:59 PM
@ChristianHupfer You might want to write up an answer. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/207122/…
 
 
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7:04 PM
This is an important topic ad @DavidCarlisle's school of higher typography
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Q: Remove newline *before* \section

gslI have searched a lot to find an answer to this question, but I could only find how to remove a newline after \section (or \chapter). How can one remove the newline before \section, as defined by book class? Basically, looking at the MWE below, I am looking to a way to have: Text before. Sect...

 
@egreg :-)
@egreg there is at least some basis for inline sections marked with § but it's not really clear what that question is about
 
@egreg Should we use emacs?
 
7:54 PM
@JosephWright can I not ping people who edit answrs?
 
@DavidCarlisle You can but there is no auto-complete
 
@JosephWright ah. Actually in this case I just noticed it was the OP so i could ping them there anyway but useful to know in future.
 
8:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle I've done similar things before with large matrices: blocking them (i.e. defining them by block scheme), or using auxiliary functions like here. Never it has happened that the authors would complain. But it's most likely because they don't actually proofread what we send them :D
 
@tohecz yes or in this case it would probably work to print the transpose of the matrix (ie rotate the layout but not the cells) with some implied adjustment to the surrounding text:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle well, of course, simply transposing the matrix is likely the way to go here (with the ^{\mathrm{T}} or whatever after \end{bmatrix}). But since this way it fits in, where's the problem? :)
 
@tohecz actually what I most want to do in that question is ask tex.stackexchange.com/users/17469/kevin-arseneau if he's a relation of Donald:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ...Donald who?
 
@kevin.arseneau donald arseneau :-)
 
8:49 PM
@kevin.arseneau Someone you wish to have in your family.
 
haha... in Eastern Canada where I'm from the name is like Smith
 
@kevin.arseneau @DavidCarlisle I think that might have answered the question :-)
 
@kevin.arseneau :-)
@kevin.arseneau oh that's funny, I suspected not because your profile said Austraila and Donald is from .. canada
 
For some reason CTAN is really slow to spin up
 
8:51 PM
Ceep Talm and Nevermind
 
@DavidCarlisle well, good to see someone with the family name has been such a contributor
...I'm not likely to be so ambitious
 
@Jake Are you familiar with the protocolling stuff in TikZ?
 
@kevin.arseneau "ctan" is a virtual host that picks a mirror near you. some mirrors are more robust than others.
 
@Jake After some mails I'm trying to expand that simulating hand-drawn thingy to arcs but I had to dissect it down to the system layer because I don't know how to hack in to arcs and curves.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, in Australia we seem to get the short end of many things
 
8:55 PM
@kevin.arseneau like sunshine and beaches?
 
...although the compensating factors are quite favourable
@DavidCarlisle ...yes, you beat me to it
 
@kevin.arseneau one day perhaps I'll get there (although never been south of the equator)
 
But hosting the G20 next month is not likely to be a feature in my 2014 calendar
@DavidCarlisle it has been good enough not to go back... married an Aussie and have two boys here
@DavidCarlisle sure beats the winters
 
9:08 PM
Hi, I'm doing a fit of node with tikz but somehow can't manage to remove the separation between fit and the inner nodes... Any hint?
\begin{tikzpicture}[line width=.5pt,every node/.style={anchor=center,minimum width=.75cm,minimum height=.75cm}]
\matrix (m) [matrix of nodes,nodes in empty cells,row sep=0cm,column sep=0cm]{
& & & & &\\
& & |[fill=green]|AC & |[fill=yellow]|DC & AC & DC\\
& DC & & & & \\
& AC & & & & \\
& DC & & & & \\
& AC & & & & \\
};
\node[fill=blue,fit={(m-1-3) (m-1-4)},line width=.5pt,inner sep=0pt,label=center:{$U_s$}] {};
 
@s__C outer sep
 
found a hack: inner sep=line width/2
 
@s__C
 
* inner sep=-line width/2
 
1 min ago, by percusse
@s__C outer sep
make it zero
 
9:15 PM
doesn't help
 
it would. add it to every node
 
mhh
no it doesn't work like that
without inner sep=0pt for the node fit
 
you want this?
 
yep
I got this now
with inner sep=0pt and outer sep=0pt
 
9:32 PM
@AlanMunn Somehow it is really really catchy with the tempo changes youtube.com/watch?v=oKxuiw3iMBE
 
10:01 PM
tabu again:(
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A: What is the difference between \\ and \linebreak in cfoot

David CarlisleIt's a bug in longtabu. \newline and \linebreak have (more or less) constant definitions throughout LaTeX, but \\ has different definitions depending on context. \\ in an array is completely different to \\ in center and both are different to \\ in normal text. what happens here is that in the h...

 
10:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle Undocumented feature.
 
@egreg if it had been in longtable:-)
 
11:06 PM
Hello?
 
Hello who is there?
 
@tohecz Hi there
@tohecz Sorry, I am new to this kind of Chat
 
@ChenStatsYu Hi! Sorry I missed you arrived
 
@tohecz Yes, I am aware that my matrix may be a bit difficult to read at first
 
@ChenStatsYu no worries. The basic thing, you can call someone either by @ + their name (there's autocomplete by the TAB key), or by clicking the arrow at the right of a post that appears there if you hover over the message ;)
 
11:09 PM
@tohecz However, one of the computer packages Maple, was used to calculate it's symoblic rank. But the problem with Maple is that, it returns a WRONG rank.
 
@ChenStatsYu well, I'm more curious why you need the matrix precisely
ah ok, that starts to be interesting :)
 
@tohecz Long story short, I want make it "straightforward" to read
@tohecz How this exponential is causing the computer to fail to calculate its true rank
 
@ChenStatsYu You want to write it in TeX to make Maple read it better?
 
@percusse well, I believe that @Chen is preparing some "manual for Maple", maybe for students?
 
@tohecz nope, just for my thesis
 
11:12 PM
however, good luck with listing all the mistakes that Maple does ;)
@ChenStatsYu ok
 
@tohecz The thing is, this matrix is "small"
 
@ChenStatsYu lol :D
 
@tohecz my actual research deals with much bigger matrices involving just terms just like this
 
@tohecz Still, what's the relation between TeX output and Maple mistake?
 
@tohecz Most of other "real" matrices, I would use your "shorthand"
 
11:14 PM
@percusse the idea of showing which matrix exactly makes that piece of program answer wrongly?
 
@percusse sorry , no direct link, i only want to present in a more "straightforward" way
@tohecz you are getting exactly what i meant
 
@ChenStatsYu well, I'm still not sure that you can achieve this by making things upside down :)
 
@tohecz Using your matrix and adding when the fractions are not written explicitly ?
I really don't see why this is needed.
 
@tohecz What do you mean by upside down? I only typed them out explictly in a landscape format.
 
just one thing: don't put it in the text flow. Make a float, call it a Formula 1, Listing 1 or whatever, and put it landscape there
@ChenStatsYu yeah, that's what I meant, I'm just a bit exaggerating ;)
@percusse well, I do, but I still don't like it ;)
 
11:17 PM
@tohecz Yes, in my acutal thesis, i have changed it into a figure (float)
 
@ChenStatsYu oh yeah, Figure works, too :)
 
@tohecz I doubt that it is needed but anyway.
 
@tohecz @percusse For those of you who knows Maple, here is the link , mapleprimes.com/questions/…
@percusse I can give an even shorter expression to represent this matrix, but it does not help people to see, just not very straightforward
 
@ChenStatsYu another option is (not unseen): Maple fails on a matrix $A=[A_1, A_2]$ whose first five columns are \begin{equation} A_1 = \begin{bmatrix} ... \end{equation} and the other five columns are \begin{equation} A_2 = ...
 
@ChenStatsYu It is maple which does the mistake. For us to understand what the problem is, you don't need to replicate the exact input. You can simply say this closed form doesn't lead to correct result but if fractions are explicitly typed out such \phi^{-1}\to \frac{1}{\phi} then correct result is obtained.
Unless Maple needs to parse your thesis, you are really making things difficult for your readers.
 
11:21 PM
@percusse after all, the phi's are not the typogrpahy issue, I'm quite happy with 1/\phi_1 instead of \phi_1^{-1}
 
@tohecz Nobody tilts their head to read a matrix.
 
@percusse well, you do that with tables sometimes, why not with matrices?
 
@percusse Well, I think i follow your input and where this is coming from. But me and my supervisor feel that I have too many "short" and "compat" forms in the thesis, it's better to have some detailed examples to follow
 
But as I say, if @Chen wants to keep the matrix entries intact, I would opt in for giving 5 columns and 5 columns.
 
@tohecz Try it with your colleagues.
 
11:24 PM
@percusse the largest matrix I've used in any of my works for ages is 3x3, and that is something :D
 
@tohecz, yes, i might do that, i will see how the whole output look like on a printed paper, and adjust it later
 
@tohecz I've trimmed 14 pages just by reworking the matrices in my thesis.
 
@ChenStatsYu well, I'm happy to know your reasoning :)
 
So I have some big ones too
 
@percusse well, if you have lots of them, then you need a wide space for them. Maybe allowing math formulas extend to the marginparspace when necessary
 
11:26 PM
@tohecz @percusse thanks to both of you, it's late in the UK now, Good Night/Day!
 
@tohecz Over time, you recognize that nobody really cares if the matrix is not in their direct eyesight.
 
@ChenStatsYu in UK it's only 23:30 isn't it? here it's 0:30
 
tables are different story
 
@percusse Yes, not many people care to read, but I do care when I type them.
 
@percusse well, I doubt anybody reads any formula that has more than 10 letters in it :D :P
 
11:28 PM
@tohecz Yes, it's only 23:27. But I have been writing all day! It's a long day for me, I taught two Maple sessions today as well!
Bye guys!
 
Bye!
@tohecz People notice the terms in this one but miss typos in a 5x5 bigger matrix.
 
@ChenStatsYu I'm on a similar stage, but with an article :) gnight
@percusse and there's a typo in the matrix you show?
 
@tohecz There was :)
And it's a tikz picture :P IEEE caused so much trouble with this one in the article
 
@percusse export and import? that's what I do now for arXiv: Many figures generated by TikZ, but the TikZ package is not even loaded. Still, when I need to change anything in them, I can do that instantly, from inside the document.
 
11:44 PM
@tohecz If only I knew that IEEE had PrntScr+save as .bmp practice.
 
11:56 PM
@percusse ah well, IEEE are engineers, you know :)
 

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