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Szabolcs
Szabolcs
2:34 AM
How can I reduce the upper margin in a \documentclass{article} without touching any other margins? Including \usepackage{geometry} with no options already changes the default margins.
I really need to squeeze in just one more line ...
Never mind, I though that \addtolength{\topmargin}{...} required geometry ...
 
 
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Gonzalo Medina
Gonzalo Medina
4:27 AM
[rant mode on]
Sevelal months have gone by since I achieved the 200K rep mark and the swag package kindly offered hasn't arrived. I even contacted a "High Power" moderator and no joy! He said he was going to take a look into the problem; days have gone by and no answer; I kindly re-wrote him a message inquiring for the status and he didn't even bother to answer. I am not happy about this.
Remember the TeX.sx birthday contest? A price was announced for the winners. Guess what... no price so far. Even a lousy StackExchange sticker would have been enough for me (I do not really consider them lousy, I am just angry now).
By the way, the issue with the reviews (@Werner surely knows what I'm talking about) also makes me angry. My involvement in this site has been seriously compromised by those factors. Of course, I'll keep around, but the managers of this site and the way some silly things are handled are discouraging me more and more.
[rant mode off]
 
 
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Harish Kumar
Harish Kumar
5:52 AM
@GonzaloMedina Really?. Too bad. May be some site managers should be reminded of this.
 
 
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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
7:48 AM
@GonzaloMedina If you see dodgy reviews, ping me/Stefan/Martin and we will take a look. First we can try asking, but we can ban people from reviews (for a fixed period) and will do it.
@GonzaloMedina That's frustrating but entirely outside of 'local' control :-(
@GonzaloMedina I know that the review queue business is not ideal (I certainly don't like it), but at the same time I think most of the site users/questions/answers are here to learn/help
@GonzaloMedina It would be a shame to have a situation where a small number of users drove away lots of good contributions. I'll try to raise yet again with the Powers, although I'm not hopeful.
 
percusse
percusse
8:24 AM
@GonzaloMedina I've started to realize that the powers-that-be see the SX sites as business and not communities. As is for the scientific journals mostly taking advantage of voluntary work, here it feels like we have the same problem popping up. We do the work they impose strange stuff and we don't have a say. Hence I'm also feeling a bit bitter about the whole thing. I've recently asked a meta question but didn't have any impact at all.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:46 AM
@DavidCarlisle: I'm driving my peers crazy by writing recursive primitive functions in my macro expander and making it do complex stuff. Ah the joys of TCS can surely make blokes gone mad. :P
 
 
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Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
9:48 AM
@percusse Well it is a business, although as I understand it the money-making is all concentrated in the biggest sites (SO but also SeverFault, SuperUser and perhaps Arqad/AskUbuntu)
 
percusse
percusse
10:08 AM
@JosephWright I meant the way satellite SX sites are handled.
 
tohecz
tohecz
10:23 AM
@percusse and also, the whole SE is understaffed, given the bunch of sites being launched like all the time. But I think that we should simply try to do our best here, that's it :)
 
percusse
percusse
10:39 AM
@tohecz My feeling is that since we are upvoting a lot, many people suddenly acquire a lot of "privileges" which I find it really nice. However when users given an ability to do something they feel that they should(!) do something. Using that thing responsibly is out of question hence we have the clash of individual OCD about badges, reviews etc. vs community practice and etiquette. Some of our users admittedly are busy with other stuff but it is obvious that more people are being put off
by this strange behavior. And at the network level we have to comply to rules that are designed to their hostility. So nobody cares at the top level and at our local scope we tend to avoid it. That's a bit difficult to handle any problems that might occur in the future.
 
tohecz
tohecz
Well, we chose to be different, now it pays off :-/ But I don't know how much other small sites suffer from these problems...
 
percusse
percusse
@tohecz I mean SX model for communities are flawed in that respect.
 
tohecz
tohecz
@percusse now I'm losing you
 
percusse
percusse
@tohecz You can't claim to have a community driven site if community cannot impose their own etiquette but needs to follow a top-to-bottom policy via three moderators as proxies.
As opposed to three moderators representing the community to the upper floors
 
tohecz
tohecz
@percusse ok, got it, thanks. Well, yeah, this is a problem. But I'm still not sure what should be done about the reviews
 
tohecz
tohecz
11:02 AM
@TheQuantumPhysicist Hello
 
The Quantum Physicist
The Quantum Physicist
Hi @tohecz :)
 
tohecz
tohecz
Well, it's really difficult to debug bibtex
You may try this (gimme a minute):
 
The Quantum Physicist
The Quantum Physicist
I understand. One doesn't often need it and thus it's not so common.
OK!
 
tohecz
tohecz
FUNCTION {urllink}
{ duplicate$ empty$
'skip$
{ doi empty$
  url empty$ not
  and
    'skip$
    { "\href{" url * "}{" * swap$ * "}" * }
  if$
}
if$
}
well, that is not the biggest problem that one doesn't use it. The problem really is that purely postfix languages are strange, something from the 80s
 
The Quantum Physicist
The Quantum Physicist
That didn't work, unfortunately! It still gave links when doi existed.
@tohecz
 
tohecz
tohecz
11:13 AM
yep I'm here sorry, just doing 10 other things...
can you please try to change "}{" into something like "}{ABC" to see that the code is really this one that gets executed? this ABC should appear as a part of the title text
 
The Quantum Physicist
The Quantum Physicist
@tohecz The link works with no problems The issue is that I need the link to appear only if doi doesn't exist.
I'm trying now to create 2 consecutive if conditions.
 
tohecz
tohecz
@TheQuantumPhysicist I understand. And I want to be sure that it's this code that causes troubles :)
 
The Quantum Physicist
The Quantum Physicist
@tohecz Thanks for trying to help!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:00 PM
Help, I'm watching Bagpuss nonstop!
 
tohecz
tohecz
@PauloCereda watching what?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Bagpuss
Bagpuss is a UK children's television series, made by Peter Firmin and Oliver Postgate. The series of 13 episodes was first broadcast from 12 February 1974 to 7 May 1974 through their company Smallfilms. The title character was "an old, saggy cloth cat, baggy, and a bit loose at the seams". Although only 13 episodes were made, it remains fondly remembered, and was frequently repeated in the UK for 13 years. In 1999 Bagpuss topped a BBC poll for the UK's favourite children's TV programme. == Format == Each programme began in the same way: through a series of sepia photographs, the viewer is told...
A children's television program. :P
 
tohecz
tohecz
ah this!
you should do the same thing with T&J :D
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
I hate that frog.
:P
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
Good maen...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:11 PM
@ChristianHupfer '#
 
tohecz
tohecz
btw, this question is one of those that I seriously hate:
5
Q: How might I typeset the Fano plane in LaTeX?

ShaunI'm sorry if this is a duplicate in any way or is otherwise a lousy question. How might I typeset the Fano plane in LaTeX? In particular, I need a vector graphic of it and I would prefer to use the tikz package. I don't want to copy & paste someone's answer either: I'd like to be able to custom...

tikz-pgf diagrams
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@tohecz Some sort of evil diagram to invoke a creature from the depths of hell? :)
 
tohecz
tohecz
@PauloCereda I wonder when we'll get a: "How do I draw a dot" question with 10 TikZ, 3 PSTricks, 1 picture mode and 2 metapost answers.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@tohecz I know who would write the picture mode one. :P
 
tohecz
tohecz
@PauloCereda I would have forgotten on that one, not having him :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
12:22 PM
@tohecz :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
1:02 PM
@tohecz how do you draw a dot in tikz?
 
tohecz
tohecz
@DavidCarlisle I have no idea. But it would make a perfect first question of you ;)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@tohecz once egreg shows me where the ask a question button is
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
1:29 PM
@DavidCarlisle Somewhere in the page. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda where? ^^
 
Manuel
Manuel
1:46 PM
@tohecz So do I. I thought that my comment would have been followed by ten comments asking for some effort or suggesting to close; instead ten wild answers appeared.
I guess they are easy points/reputation.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@PauloCereda Cool
@PauloCereda Butterbeans
@percusse I'm not sure I quite follow: that I know of, the mod team have not tried to enforce what the Powers regard as the 'standard' approach
@tohecz I'm going to ask a meta question about this to try to get some evidence for the Powers
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:05 PM
@JosephWright It's a good therapy. :)
 
percusse
percusse
2:19 PM
@JosephWright It's the other way around. You (mods) are forced to defend the ways of powers even though you might not agree.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
2:54 PM
@percusse Mods on the storm
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
3:08 PM
@percusse I'm obviously missing something here
 
 
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egreg
egreg
4:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle While you lose time commenting, I answer. :P
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg so now you have to answer the comment and explain input encodings
@egreg seems like you need the points today
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle Still 20 missing.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
5:15 PM
@egreg some of us had rep cap before we logged on this morning
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle You'll get a “serial voting” too.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg probably:-)
 
 
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Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
6:35 PM
@egreg, @David: serial voting? I am surprised. 😅
 
Werner
Werner
6:46 PM
@egreg: I'm checking in on your question at The Tavern on Meta.
 
egreg
egreg
7:13 PM
@Werner The only day I was not rep capped was last Saturday, but I lost no vote of that day..
 
 
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tohecz
tohecz
9:32 PM
What is everybody up to so that the chat room is so empty? Getting ready for your extra hour?
 
cis
cis
9:46 PM
@PauloCereda Did you know the following crazy behavior... ;) If there is a arara-command in a filecontents-environment, it will be executed as known. For example: texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/6956/… Ok, this effect was clear, but maybe a tip for the newer versions. ;)
 
egreg
egreg
@cis Yes, any arara directive is executed, without any TeX syntax interpretation. I believe that there's already some plan for the new version.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:45 PM
@cis, @egreg: there's is a trick to stop some directives to be executed, but they will be discovered anyway. :) In the new version, you simply use the halt directive. Every directive found afterwards won't be executed. :)
 
cis
cis
11:21 PM
@PauloCereda If there is a halt-directive, there should be a start-directive; look at the example; there is a removex-directive after \end{document}; I remember I needed this in that case.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@cis Too much German. :)
Now on a more serious note: it's quite complex to selectively choose which directives to interpret without entering in the merit of each directive. One possible way I can think of (but I cannot vouch for) is to use conditionals with session handling (session is an undocumented feature so far).
 

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