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2:12 AM
Hello? Anyone around right now?
 
@AlanMunn Hi. Whatsup? :)
 
2:38 AM
@AlanMunn Hi Alan.
 
@HarishKumar @PeterGrill @CodeMocker Hi are any of you Linux users?
 
@AlanMunn No. I am a Windows user.
 
@AlanMunn Mac OS is close.
 
@PeterGrill But no cigar for the info I need (I'm also on Mac OS),
 
2:49 AM
@AlanMunn Sorry.
 
@PeterGrill No problem. I was trying to find out what TEXMFCONFIG resolves to on a typical Linux system. It's not too important.
 
 
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4:12 AM
@tohecz Interesting remark. When I remarked more or less the same here recently, I got answers in the direction of "we don't disagree with others here" and "just hit skip". I stopped reviewing after that.
Jan 2 at 6:02, by Stephan Lehmke
When doing reviews, about every other time I find myself disagreeing with existing flags or votes. I wonder if this happens also to other people?
 
@StephanLehmke This is a little out of context, don't you think: two users said they skipped, one of whom is quite a new user. And the "we don't disagree with others" sentiment, if expressed at all was surely personal not prescriptive.
 
@AlanMunn The interesting part was that there were no sentiments to the contrary expressed. While it may make sense to press one's personal "good judgement" against a majority in a political context, it's rarely a good idea in a community like this because harmonic balance is often brittle.
 
4:29 AM
@StephanLehmke Of course you're free to stop reviewing for whatever reason, but it seems to me that you may have overreacted a bit. How many other sentiments were expressed surely depends on who was in chat at the time. Isn't this why we have meta? :)
@StephanLehmke Are you generally in favour of early or late closing? Or were you talking about other kinds of flags?
 
@AlanMunn I thought meta was more for questions interesting to the community as a whole. I was just trying to get an impression what to do about my apparently being "out of sync" with more than half of existing flags and votes. Also, this happened in a low-traffic time of day, so the exchange was visible to a lot of people coming later.
@AlanMunn Mostly the flags and votes I disagree with are of the kind where no comment is left and hence, no chance for the OP to improve their question/answer.
 
@StephanLehmke Ok, that's what I thought. Then you and I probably agree on most things. :) The reason I mentioned meta is that I think that some of these issues arise from people not having thought much about why they are flagging or closing, but just agreeing semi-blindly. So having a discussion on meta about that might be helpful. See e.g. meta.tex.stackexchange.com/q/4048/2693
 
Also, I find that often incorrect or imprecise answers are flagged "not an answer" when I'd prefer downvoting. But that may be a side effect of the "no downvoting" policy here :-)
@AlanMunn I upvoted your answer :-)
 
@StephanLehmke I think that's the correct route. See also the question that @tohecz linked to: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/q/3321/2693
@StephanLehmke So mainly I think you may have given up on reviewing a bit too hastily. On the other hand, I'm a pretty sporadic reviewer myself; maybe if we both reviewed more we'd be more helpful, I don't really know.
 
4:47 AM
@AlanMunn Yep, the "no hope for improvement" clause is another factor which makes me disagree with a flag on an answer where not even a comment pointing out the problems has been given.
 
@StephanLehmke Same here.
Anyway, I need to go to bed. (I assume you're just getting up?)
 
Ok, with Tom and you (and possibly Martin) on my side, I'll resume reviewing :-)
 
@StephanLehmke I think you have more support than you think, especially among users who have been here a while.
 
@AlanMunn Yep, morning coffee and debugging a customer project :-)
 
@StephanLehmke Ok. Good luck with that. I have a lot to do tomorrow, so sleeping at a reasonable hour is required. Good night. It's always nice chatting with you.
 
4:52 AM
Good night.
 
 
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6:45 AM
I am trying to change the TexStudio colour scheme as in this post:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108315/anyone-willing-to-share-his-her-custom-dark-theme-for-texstudio

Does anyone know where I would locate the file to make this change on windows 7/8?
 
@AlanMunn Btw, Tom has a point - flagging a three-year-old answer with 12 upvotes as "not an answer"? Someone is running amok...
 
 
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7:52 AM
@StephanLehmke I'm guessing the earlier discussion is about tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2099/…;: is that correct?
 
8:16 AM
@JosephWright Yep. I can appreciate that someone may think the answer is outdated or something, but considering the question, even "As far as I know, LaTeX does not support including SVG files directly" is a valid answer, and AFAIK we don't have special treatment for duplicate answers...
 
8:32 AM
@StephanLehmke Hmm, perhaps: a few of the 'answers' here feel to me like comments
 
@JosephWright Whatever; you know best, of course :-)
 
@StephanLehmke Not necessarily. It's always tricky with the 'Is this possible? No' cases, as in many ways they feel like they should stay unanswered, but that doesn't necessarily help the reader.
I guess the think with the flagged answer is that not only is it rather short, and phrased in some ways as a comment on another answer, but also the link is bust.
I'll probably wait to see what @StefanKottwitz and @MartinScharrer think
@StephanLehmke Over time you can re-evaluate things. Stuff from early on in the life of the site might be treated differently if it were posted now.
 
I might have just found the ultimate solution to the tex->html conversion problem (pdf2htmlEX) : github.com/coolwanglu/pdf2htmlEX it looks really nice. Article is in the latest TUG report also about it. page 313-324
 
9:20 AM
@josephwright That's exactly where I think an edit would be better than deleting the answer...
 
10:18 AM
@JosephWright You would see three still active flagged posts with "invalid flags". Those three we speak about ;)
 
10:29 AM
@tohecz About the “PDF inclusion” answer: it's hard to say "not an answer” in this case. Not the best strategy, perhaps. That's all.
 
10:42 AM
Is anyone else annoyed by the yellow "flagged counter" in the top bar not being reset?
 
Please confirm whether or not you can access texnik.dante.de/tex/generic/pstricks/pstricks.tex. I cannot access it.
Hello....
 
@CodeMocker Same here. On texnik.dante.de it says "Currently out of order".
 
@StephanLehmke OK. Thanks, then i have to find another mirror. :-)
 
@StephanLehmke I am.
 
@StephanLehmke Me.
 
11:03 AM
@CodeMocker The dante server is down today due to maintanance. From c.t.t.:
Saturday, January 18, the operating system of DANTE's server will
be upgraded. Owing to this, CTAN Web site and other associated CTAN
services may be interrupted or may be unavailable for some time.

I hope that we don't cause any inconveniences by that update; but
the overhaul is long overdue.
 
11:35 AM
4
Q: How to properly align three-level enumerate 1. 1.1. 1.1.1

ParchandriI've created my environment, and modified the enumerate command: \renewcommand{\labelenumi}{\arabic{enumi}.} \renewcommand{\labelenumii}{\arabic{enumi}.\arabic{enumii}.} \renewcommand{\labelenumiii}{\arabic{enumi}.\arabic{enumii}.\arabic{enumiii}.} \newenvironment{packed_enum}{ \begin{enumerate...

Why? :)
 
@cgnieder Thanks for this information.
 
@egreg yep, that's IMHO what voting and comments are for, not flagging
 
Once upon a time there was a DOS user who saw Unix, and saw that it was
good. After typing cp on his DOS machine at home, he downloaded GNU's
unix tools ported to DOS and installed them. He rm'd, cp'd, and mv'd
happily for many days, and upon finding elvis, he vi'd and was happy. After
a long day at work (on a Unix box) he came home, started editing a file,
and couldn't figure out why he couldn't suspend vi (w/ ctrl-z) to do
a compile.
(By ewt@tipper.oit.unc.edu (Erik Troan)
@DavidCarlisle: ^^
 
11:52 AM
@PauloCereda LOL :)
 
12:34 PM
I missed being palindrome by 2; should I downvote two of David's answers?
 
@egreg Definitely. :)
 
@PauloCereda What's the key on it for? *Esc*ape key so you can get out of locked rooms? Ooh, Paulo the red hat sleuth!
 
@NicolaTalbot :D
 
12:59 PM
@PauloCereda Don't forget to bring your escape key with you so you can make a quick getaway ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot vim utility belt. :)
 
1:37 PM
@egreg you can downvote my questions.
 
@DavidCarlisle Downvoting questions doesn't take away points.
 
@PauloCereda btw, every time I switch of my computer, one of the sequences to hit is exit<CR>exit<CR>exit<CR>:wqa<CR>exit<CR>exit<CR>...
 
@egreg downvoting my questions would, I promise.
 
@tohecz :)
 
1:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think you've got a ) instead of } in your detokenize answer.
 
2:50 PM
@tohecz: around?
 
3:43 PM
@JosephWright “LEd is not really up-to-date” is typical British understatement. ;-) It's a dead program.
 
@NicolaTalbot thanks, Joseph fixed it
 
@DavidCarlisle It's a useful answer. It occurs to me that if I use \detokenize in glossaries users should be able to use utf8 characters in entry labels.
 
@NicolaTalbot What I didn't mention though is that adding it is a backwards incompatible change. if \foo puts #1 in csname then currently after \def\zz{abc} you can use \foo{\zz} but of \foo is changed to use detokenize then \foo{\zz} makes \\zz rather than \abc. On th eother hand you should be able to use utf8 without this.
 
3:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm glad you mentioned that before I did a huge amount of editing!
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

\usepackage{etoolbox}
\usepackage[colorlinks]{hyperref}

\newcommand*{\thingy}[1]{\detokenize{#1}}

\newcommand*{\setfoo}[1]{%
 \expandafter\def\csname @foo@\thingy{#1}\endcsname{#1}%
}

\newcommand*{\foo}[1]{\csname @foo@\thingy{#1}\endcsname}

\newcommand*{\fooifdef}[3]{\ifcsundef{@foo@\thingy{#1}}{#3}{#2}}

\newcommand*{\doifexists}[2]{\fooifdef{#1}{#2}{}}

\begin{document}

\tableofcontents

\setfoo{élite}

\section{\foo{élite}}
@DavidCarlisle ^^ What would be the best definition of \thingy?
 
@NicolaTalbot will look..
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks :-)
 
4:15 PM
@NicolaTalbot do you need \fooifdef do work by expansion as now? Normally I'd say best would be to use \edef (or better \@protected@edef ) to expand any user supplied text then to \detokenize the result to make it safe for csname. That is no problem for your definition command \setfoo as it is doing a \def anyway, but doing it on the test makes it a non expandable rather than expandable test. If you require expandable tests it is harder to accept so much stuff
 
@DavidCarlisle Do you mean something like \newcommand{\foo}[1]{\protected@edef\tmp{@foo@#1}\csname\tmp\endcsname} ?
The conditionals aren't too much of a problem, but the pdf bookmarks need an expandable command.
 
We have a proverb: "Chi è causa del suo mal, pianga sé stesso” ;-)
0
Q: Weird vim-latex behaviour

RubenI just started using LaTex in vim and immediately ran into problems. I'm using the vim-latex plugin and it's completely screwing up the tutorial I'm trying to follow. There's a useful shortcut for writing something in the exponent. But when I use it vim shows everything in superscript automatical...

 
4:34 PM
@DavidCarlisle \newcommand*{\thingy}[1]{\scantokens{#1\noexpand}} seems to work except for the section, so I could just do something like that in glossaries and add a note in the manual to say that entries with utf8 labels can't be used in sectioning commands.
 
@NicolaTalbot \newcommand{\foo}[1]{\protected@edef\tmp{@foo@#1}\csname\expandafter\detokenize\‌​expandafter{\tmp}\endcsname} ? expands user definitions in the input then uses detoekize to make sure its safe for csname
 
@DavidCarlisle You don't need the \expandafter before \detokenize ;-)
 
@JosephWright He likes to use as many \expandafter's as he can.
 
@JosephWright I don't have these newfangled etex commands so securely logged in my brain:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Just think of it as a special \toks :-)
@mico On your badge flag: badge counts for the main site and meta are independent.
 
4:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately it won't work in the PDF bookmarks. (Users will crab something rotten if \glsentrytext stops working in the bookmarks.)
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

\usepackage[colorlinks]{hyperref}

\makeatletter

\newcommand*{\setfoo}[1]{%
 \protected@edef\tmp{@foo@#1}
 \expandafter\def\csname \detokenize\expandafter{\tmp}\endcsname{#1}%
}


\newcommand{\foo}[1]{%
 \protected@edef\tmp{@foo@#1}\csname\detokenize\expandafter{\tmp}\endcsname}

\makeatother

\begin{document}

\tableofcontents

\setfoo{élite}

\foo{élite}

\section{\foo{élite}}

\end{document}
If I make \foo robust I don't get an error but the \foo gets stripped in the bookmarks leaving just the label.
 
5:07 PM
Why not going simpler?
\documentclass{article}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}

\usepackage[colorlinks]{hyperref}

\makeatletter
\newcommand*{\setfoo}[1]{%
 \@namedef{@foo@\detokenize{#1}}{#1}}
\newcommand{\foo}[1]{%
 \@nameuse{@foo@\detokenize{#1}}}
\makeatother

\begin{document}

\tableofcontents

\bigskip
\hrule
\bigskip

\setfoo{élite}

\foo{élite}

\section{\foo{élite}}

\end{document}
 
@egreg It won't work if you do \def\mylabel{élite}\foo{\mylabel}
 
@NicolaTalbot No, it won't. And using \detokenize\expandafter in the definition of \foo won't work either.
 
5:24 PM
@egreg and @DavidCarlisle Thanks for your suggestions. I can't use \detokenize otherwise commands like \glsaddall will stop working and \scantokens causes issues in \section etc. So I've decided to add \newcommand*{\glsdetoklabel}[1]{#1} and use this when referencing glossary entries. If a user really desperately wants to have UTF8 labels, they can do \renewcommand*{\glsdetoklabel}[1]{\scantokens{#1\noexpand}} but they take on the responsibility if things go wrong!
 
@JosephWright Ask David to make the question.
 
6:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle Do you want to add something about that in your answer? (Given it's a possible scenario where things could go wrong.)
 
0
Q: Biblatex with Biber: Configuring my editor to avoid undefined citations

Joseph WrightRunning the minimal example \documentclass{article} \usepackage{filecontents} \begin{filecontents*}{\jobname.bib} @ARTICLE{example, author = {Other, Anthony Norman}, title = {Some things I did}, year = {2014}, journal = {J.~Irrep. Res.}, volume = {1}, number = {1}, pages ...

Please help 'collect up' answers
I'm wondering whether to copy mine from the question that prompted this
 
 
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7:55 PM
www.ctan.org in unreachable from me. Is it offline?
 
@Romildo DANTE have maintenance ongoing
I've already rolled back one edit where someone thought the link was wrong because of this!
 
@JosephWright I will just try later. Thanks.
 
8:08 PM
Traffic stats make interesting reading: rate of questions averaging near 80 per day
@Romildo I see you are a Brazilian: do you perhaps know @PauloCereda?
 
@JosephWright C'est moi.
 
@JosephWright I do not know him, except from some brief conversations here when I asked something.
and he answered.
 
@JosephWright I like the biber question :) would an arara answer be appropriate?
 
@Romildo Your profile says you are from Minas. :)
 
@cmhughes As I've said in the notes, I think provided there are good 'basic' answers then mentioning additional tools is fine
@cmhughes You'll see I've mentioned arara and latexmk in my TeXworks answer
 
8:21 PM
@JosephWright boo! arara would make everyboy's life easier with biber. :)
@JosephWright ooh I take it back. <3
 
Worth noting that setting up arara is easy in TeXworks as 'all programs are equal', but might not be so straight-forward in other editors
 
@JosephWright ah, ok, sorry for not catching that :) I think arara deserves its own answer, though
@PauloCereda totally agree :)
 
Did I mention that after trying to convince a student to use LaTeX for her thesis, the process of watching her boyfriend struggle with Word has done the job :-)
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I'm going to suggest arara to her on Monday
@cmhughes Problem is that depending on your editor, build tools are not necessarily trivial to set up
 
@JosephWright LOL
@JosephWright woohoo
I'm gonna be rich and famous!
 
@JosephWright yes, that's a fair point, although that would raise alarm bells for me to switch to a different editor
 
8:26 PM
@PauloCereda I'd like to think having a 'local expert' who is on the LaTeX team might also help :-)
 
@cmhughes I once had the crazy idea of providing a built-in TeX editor with arara. :)
 
@cmhughes Different people want different things out of their editor
@PauloCereda Well I suspect at some stage it will make the standard list in TeXworks (as will biber)
 
@PauloCereda that would be brilliant! what would it be called?
 
@JosephWright Lucky bastards blokes. :) There's no one proficient in TeX near me. :)
 
@PauloCereda If you look round and can't see the local expert, then it's you!
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8:28 PM
@JosephWright If I recall correctly, Marco once opened a thread in the TeXworks issues list asking the inclusion of arara. Marco is the guy that pushes me to write insane code. :) Thank God I didn't explained the Pandora's Box of a possible expression language added to arara. :)
@JosephWright Uh-oh!
@cmhughes Still arara, but probably invoked with --editor. :)
 
8:40 PM
The interesting thing with that student is that the combination of modern packages (biblatex, pgfplots, ...), binaries (biber, lualatex), tools (TeXworks, arara) and distros (TeX Live) makes using LaTeX smooth and knocks the 'competition' into a cocked hat.
 
@JosephWright :)
 
@PauloCereda But what it secretly does is just run vim ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot shhh. :)
 
@PauloCereda lol :-)
@PauloCereda Or arara --editor-wars could run vim with !sudo yum remove emacs ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot YES!
 
8:57 PM
Looking at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/154729/…, I wonder if the LEd entry in the IDE question needs some attention
 
9:26 PM
'lo all. I'm having trouble connecting to CTAN. It appears to be dante that's down but that's what I get redirected to by the mirroring service. I want to upload an update, so I can do that via cam, but what's the direct address?
 
@AndrewStacey Uploads all go to the main servers: you have to wait
 
@AndrewStacey Hi Andrew! Long time no \see. :)
 
@JosephWright Botheration. I thought I could hijack the cambridge link and avoid dante. I guess the world will have to wait a little longer for the next version of hobby (which uses l3fps atan function!).
@PauloCereda Yeah, been trying to cut back on my TeX-SX addiction ...
 
@AndrewStacey Used to be possible but not more recently
 
@JosephWright Ah, stale information somewhere then.
 
9:34 PM
@AndrewStacey E-mail Robin?
@AndrewStacey Or Rainer, perhaps
 
Speaking of editor wars, are there any emacs users here at the moment?
 
@AlanMunn Yes, me. And while you're here: "Do this for practice", what part of speech is "practice"?
 
@AndrewStacey It's a noun. That's also why you spelt it with a 'c', presumably.
 
@AlanMunn That's what it felt like, but confirmation from you is always welcome. (Been too long out of England - am slowly forgetting all my English ...)
 
Ok, is there a good guide to teaching auctex about the macros provided by some particular package so that it can (semi)-auto-insertion and syntax highlighting?
 
9:38 PM
@AlanMunn Ah, AucTeX is not my speciality, sorry. Don't use it.
(I mean "I don't use it", not "It shouldn't be used")
 
@AndrewStacey Oh, I assumed that any emacs TeX user uses emacs because of auctex. I guess that assumption is wrong.
(And yes, I understood your 'don't use it' as intended. :) )
@AndrewStacey Are you still in Oxford at the moment or back in Norway?
 
@AlanMunn Back in Norway. I use Emacs because the learning curve seemed easier than for vim.
 
@AndrewStacey LOL
 
@AndrewStacey You could try FTP
ftp.tex.ac.uk/incoming I think should work
 
@JosephWright This shows up as a reply to Andrew's comment about using emacs over vim. It looks like you're suggesting FTP as an alternative, which is really funny!
 
9:47 PM
@AlanMunn Not a reply so no 'thread' arrow :-)
 
@JosephWright No, but the way chat displays it highlights Andrew's most recent message, and let's face it, the arrow is pretty discreet.
 
@AlanMunn Oh, fair enough
 
@AlanMunn I see what you did there with discreet. :)
 
@PauloCereda What would you have preferred? We're not talking math here... Of course the arrow is definitely discrete.
 
@AlanMunn shy. :)
The arrow is definitely shy. :)
 
9:59 PM
@PauloCereda Another good game; but with some palpitation. :)
 
@egreg Indeed! :)
 
@egreg Now that you're back from the important stuff, maybe you know of a guide to getting auctex to recognize the macros of a new package?
 
@AlanMunn No, sorry. I usually don't rely on autocompletion for environments and macros.
 
@egreg Ok. So I give up. I thought I could point someone who commented on one of my answers somewhere, neither you nor Andrew actually use auctex to the degree that it is supposed to be famous.
 
@AlanMunn Maybe @David knows. :)
 
10:10 PM
@PauloCereda @David doesn't actually use LaTeX, and if he did, he certainly wouldn't be caught dead using a package.
 
@AlanMunn Good point. :)
If you are not using longtable in order to solve a problem, you got two problems.
 
@AlanMunn He might use keyval and graphics as he wrote them ;-)
 
@JosephWright He's almost surely not using his own packages. ;-)
 
@egreg Yes, then he might actually have to confront the bugs.
 
@AlanMunn Undocumented features. :)
 
10:33 PM
@PauloCereda Now I am. Wazzup?
 
@tohecz Hi Tom! :) Do you still have your problem with vim and tmux?
 
I'm trying to start with TeX, but the site the download page of MiKTeX points to (ctan.org) is down :( anyone know of an alternative mirror? (Or a better TeX implementation for Windows :P)
 
@PauloCereda yes, I do, on a computer I won't see for 2 weeks. However, I have bigger problems now. Do you know any way how to track where smoke is comming from in my room?
 
@DoorknobofSnow CTAN core server off-line today, but tug.org/texlive should work to get TeX Live
 
@DoorknobofSnow I would go for TeXlive
 
10:43 PM
@DoorknobofSnow I'd agree with @tohecz in using TeX Live
 
@JosephWright and @tohecz Thanks. Why would you recommend that over MiKTeX? (I'm a TeX noob here so I have no idea what all this is about)
 
@DoorknobofSnow Both TeX Live and MiKTeX work well, but with TeX Live you install everything in one go
@DoorknobofSnow Over all, a single install is easier
 
@DoorknobofSnow I've never liked MikTeX, but that's quite a personal feeling. TeXlive seems to be more robust, MikTeX's package installer knows to have breakdowns
 
@tohecz Oh my!
 
@PauloCereda tell me that. It's the 2nd time it's strong, but the smoke smell has been in the room for 2 months or so
 
10:46 PM
@JosephWright / @tohecz Great, downloading it now. Thanks for the quick help ;)
 
@tohecz What colour of smoke?
 
All: the .exe installer for TeX Live is new, yes?
 
@DoorknobofSnow just be ready for a large install, it takes quite long
@PauloCereda no real colour, it's like a very slight mist. It's more the strong smell
 
@Joseph @tohecz Wait a minute, tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html links to CTAN too :(
 
well, all the electricity stuff was off: heating, boiler, waste pump
 
10:48 PM
How many votes can one get for a question that is basically "I've found a bug in a package" and an answer that is "Yes, that's a bug. I'll fix it in the next version."?
 
@AndrewStacey Hehe. The wonderful world of TikZ, the vote attractor par excellence.
@AndrewStacey Shall I down vote you to make you feel better?
 
yesterday, by Paulo Cereda
@JosephWright retag please . :)
 
@JosephWright seems to work; thanks again!
 
@DoorknobofSnow You've picked a 'maintenance day' unfortunately
 
10:50 PM
@JosephWright I'm beginning to realize that :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow I've pointed you to the second core server: normally discouraged but we'll let you off today :-)
 
@AlanMunn At the moment the vote tallies are nicely palindromic, and it would be a shame to spoil that beautiful symmetry.
 
@DoorknobofSnow You want install-tl.exe from ftp.cstug.cz/pub/tex/CTAN/systems/texlive/tlnet but I'm not sure you'll succeed since install-tl connects to CTAN too
 
@AndrewStacey (Actually I think I already voted on it anyway.)
 
@tohecz Thanks, but @Joseph's link seems to be working.
 
10:52 PM
@tohecz You can point to a specific server
 
@JosephWright yep, you should be able to ;)
 
Re CTAN: Could be worse, here's a sample of what I got on another website I wanted to look at today:
 
@AndrewStacey :-)
 
okay, I'm changing the default repository (I feel so official saying that :P) to mirror.utexas.edu/ctan, because the default one is ctan.org which doesn't work.
 
@DoorknobofSnow Good call. :)
 
10:55 PM
@PauloCereda Still, this doesn't solve the fact that something is burning in my room, I don't know what is it, and it could easily bring down this building full of wooden structures and all the 3 neighboring buildings, too.
 
By the way, welcome to the chat! :) I'm sure you'll like here.
 
@DoorknobofSnow Great plan
 
@tohecz :(
 
@PauloCereda Thanks :)
 
@DoorknobofSnow And we have Psmith! :)
!!/cricket
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Pakistan 291/6 * v Sri Lanka 428/9
- Bloomfield Cricket and Athletic Club 280/10  v Panadura Sports Club 109/10 &  138/5 *
- Ragama Cricket Club 417/10  v Sinhalese Sports Club 220/5 *
- Tamil Union Cricket and Athletic Club 423/10  v Sri Lanka Ports Authority Cricket Club 241 *
- Colts Cricket Club 192/10 &  124/4 * v Sri Lanka Army Sports Club 361/10
- Moors Sports Club 380/10 &  72/1 * v Sri Lanka Air Force Sports Club 229/10
 
10:57 PM
@PauloCereda not speaking about the fact that if I weren't here when this happened, my teddy bear would die
!!/fortune
 
@tohecz Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: You love Chinese food.
@tohecz Maybe if you call the fire dept to take a look at your building.
 
@PauloCereda seems kinda like Caprica over in JavaScript chat on Stack Overflow ;)
they have all sorts of different commands there
 
@PauloCereda well, I spoke to the landlords (the local reverend) and he was quite free about it :(
 
@DoorknobofSnow Possible. It's based on Zirak's code, I guess. :)
 
in fact, that !!/ syntax seems familiar. did you get that bot from Zirak's code? ;)
@PauloCereda Ah, that's why :P
 
10:58 PM
@DoorknobofSnow That one! :)
Wrapped with some fancy stuff. :)
!!/answer weather in São Paulo, Brazil
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

weather | São Paulo
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relative humidity | 73%  (dew point: 18 °C)
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Wolfram Alpha, I'm guessing? ;)
 
@DoorknobofSnow Yep. :)
 
!!/answer weather in Leiden, Netherlands
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

weather | Leiden, Netherlands
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local time | 11:59:42 pm CET  |  Saturday, January 18, 2014
local sunlight | sun is below the horizon
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@DoorknobofSnow: but the most important command for us is the texdef one (this is useful for TeX and friends). :)
 
in JS chat they've created an entirely different user for the bot (Caprica Six) so that it doesn't get hit with the "you can perform this action in n seconds" rate limit; maybe you should do that :P
 
11:00 PM
@DoorknobofSnow ooh that sounds tempting. :)
I wish they release some sort of chat API. I don't like the idea of injecting JS code.
 
@PauloCereda yeah, how do you handle that? :)
 
@tohecz <3
 
@PauloCereda I suppose this is , having an API would make the chat explode
 
I could use David's machine, it seems he only uses emacs. :P
 
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11:01 PM
@tohecz possibly. :)
 
is this normal? :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow woohoo!
@DoorknobofSnow Keep calm and wait for it. :)
 
I seem to be getting a lot of packages :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow We are TeX. Resistance is futile. You will be TeXified. :)
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11:03 PM
@DoorknobofSnow welcome to the club :) btw, if the install terminates because of losing connection, running it again should continue where it stopped :) so don't panic ;)
 
@tohecz Yep, Tom's advice is pure gold. :)
 
@tohecz Ok, it seems to be going great so far
 
@DoorknobofSnow You will soon be TeXing around! :)
Beware of David.
Now, the most important question!
Which editor do you use?
 
@PauloCereda well, today if I was to be TeXified, I would be a pure \bye :(
 
@tohecz Uh-oh. :(
 
11:04 PM
@PauloCereda this smoke thing makes me very worried
 
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A: How can I explain the meaning of LaTeX to my grandma?

Paulo CeredaHypothetical dialogue follows. Dear <insert subject name here>, I would like to spend a few minutes talking about something cool. In fact, it's not just cool. It's amazingly cool. It's not "Albert Einstein playing guitar" cool, neither "Abraham Lincoln riding a bear with a machine gun" cool, it...

@Paulo Great answer, by the way ;)
 
@tohecz Maybe you should call the authorities. :(
 
@PauloCereda Editor as in IDE?
 
@PauloCereda I'll speak to the reverend tomorrow
 
@DoorknobofSnow Oh thanks, that was pretty random. :)
 
11:05 PM
@DoorknobofSnow yep, text editor
 
@DoorknobofSnow Yep. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ok, then editor for what? I run Windows so I don't have all-purpose stuff like vim and such, so... :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow WOOHOO!
Another one for the team!
 
@DoorknobofSnow you do have vim for windows!
 
Oh wait, I misread!
He does not have vim!
Oh no!
 
11:06 PM
@tohecz There is? :P I never knew that
 
!!/eightball Should we ban @DoorknobofSnow for not using vim?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: 42.
 
@DoorknobofSnow google "GVim Windows" :)
 
Stupid bot.
 
@PauloCereda we should ban him 42 times? oh my!
 
@PauloCereda So you're a part of the great Editor War? :P
 
11:07 PM
@DoorknobofSnow There is, and it's actually pretty good. :)
@DoorknobofSnow We all are, except for @JosephWright, who uses pico. Bah. :)
 
@DoorknobofSnow there's no war, there's only the people who use emacs, and then the good people :)
 
I seem to have finally reached the Bs in my installation :P
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@DoorknobofSnow: I think you went in the wrong timing in here, the vim people is majority right now. :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow Get some more coffee and you'll arrive at z
 
@PauloCereda :P I've never used either so it doesn't really matter to me... :P
 
11:10 PM
@DoorknobofSnow: meet one of the TeX gurus: @egreg /trumpets resounding
Oh there's another Joseph here! @JosephMansfield: hello! :)
 
ok, getting my headlight and going to inspect the pump, the fridge and the cooker
 
@tohecz good plan. :)
@egreg: Palmeiras won today too. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yay!
 
@egreg Oh my!
 
A few new faces today :-)
 
11:20 PM
@PauloCereda well, nothing suspicious there :-/ The only observation I made is that French people are very bad engineurs/plumbers
I only recall now that today, I poured some boiling water into the pipes, maybe that could cause some problems
 
I seem to have made it to context-* now :P Meanwhile, I'm typing up the stuff I was going to use LaTeX for in... dun dun dun... emacs
No, just kidding, I'm using Google docs :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow google docs don't work well with LaTeX I think
 
@tohecz actually I'm just typing plaintext; later I'll put it into TeX and do TeXy stuff
 
@DoorknobofSnow well, do as you prefer :) However, it's been observed that it's much more convenient to do it simultaneously
 
@tohecz I'd prefer not to wait until I get past the... checks the D-Zs :P
 
11:25 PM
@PauloCereda If you want a nice trumpeteer:
 
@DoorknobofSnow uuummmm wellll ... sharelatex.com ? or writelatex.com ?
 
@egreg Wow, very nice!
 
@PauloCereda But if you want the best, hear Maurice André
 
@egreg ooh a legend!
 
hooray, got to the Fs! :D
If I've learned one thing so far about this chat, it's to not mention anything off-topic to @egreg unless you want to talk about it for the next hour ;)
 
11:31 PM
@egreg: for giggles: youtube.com/watch?v=VjA6bA1qtfQ :)
@DoorknobofSnow My dear friend, first rule of the TeX chatroom: never, ever talk about TeX unless strictly necessary. :)
 
@PauloCereda Alright. Hey everyone, I'm a doorknob! I like waffles! Wheeeeee! :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow That's the spirit! Do you like ducks? :)
 
@PauloCereda They're delciou- I mean... yes I do! :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow Phew. :) If you were here before, you could enter this contest:
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Q: Who wants to win a duck? Wait, what?

Paulo CeredaIntroduction Hello there, fellow TeX.sx users! I'm organizing a lottery. The idea is very similar to Who Wants to Win a LaTeX Book?, but both the lottery algorithm and the prize are different. Let me explain some things first. Who are you? I'm some random dude on the Internet who happens to ha...

 
@PauloCereda haha, that's... interesting :D
 
11:37 PM
@DoorknobofSnow We are wacky, we are well aware of that. :P
 
@PauloCereda As you can probably tell from my name, I kind of am as well :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow :)
 
@DoorknobofSnow Music, above all. Or some cricket.
 
@JosephWright around?
 

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