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12:04 AM
@PauloCereda Cocoa aspell and a super spelling brain.
 
@AlanMunn You are a linguist, your vote does not count. :) I mean a good process for us mere mortals. :)
 
@PauloCereda The real trick to spell checking is understanding the corrections it suggests, which if you don't really know how to spell can be quite dangerous. But aspell does a pretty good job. Now that I have Mtn Lion, it also does a lot of spelling correction for me, which can get annoying sometimes, but I haven't turned it off completely yet.
 
@AlanMunn Ah cool. :) I had problems with my iPad's autocorrection, I had to turn it off. My Android phone does a way better job so far. :)
I was like when I saw the attached image from TL's thread "lualatex quiting: fix your writable cache path". o.O
 
12:26 AM
@PauloCereda Wow. "How to kill a guy with a tattoo with just two fingers"?
 
@AlanMunn LOL
 
 
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4:33 AM
Hi people!
Is Alan Munn still here?
 
Hi Xavier.
 
Hi Alan
You wanted to chat about my tough answer (tex.stackexchange.com/a/120943/10102) I believe
Was that off limits?
 
I wanted to chat about your mini rant. :) Although I agree with the sentiment, Yoav actually has reasons for not updating, and also I think as an answer it is a bit off limits.
 
I am sorry for that. I didn't meant to be rude, I just want to avoid sending new users in a direction were they only get more and more issues
 
If you're in the middle of a project, then updating your whole distribution is not necessarily a good idea. But if you need an updated package, then the best solution may be to update manually. I just think the reasons are a bit more complicated than your answer makes it out to be.
As I say, I agree with the general sentiment, but I'm not sure in the context of the question it's really an answer at all.
 
4:37 AM
I am sure there are specific situations where it might not be the best
But I believe every package manager I mentioned enables you to update packages selectively
 
@Xavier Right, and if you read Yoav's other questions, he seems to be in that state.
 
So what's the best answer we can give?
 
@Xavier No, that's the issue. Once TL 2013 comes out, you can't update a TL 2012 distribution with tlmgr any more.
 
Should we tone down my rant, and add how to selectively update packages?
Oh in that case no indeed
But given the type of Yoav's other questions, I think showing him the way to do it manually will save him much time honestly...
What do you suggest to make this right?
 
Ultimately the issue is related to the way TL 'freezes' its years. See the following for some discussion.
71
Q: Why does TeX Live "require" yearly updates?

Daniel E. ShubEvery year TeX Live provides a new version. My recollection is that soon after a new version is released, the old version's tlmgr stops fetching updates to packages. They provide upgrading instructions with the disclaimer This procedure is not bullet-proof, or especially recommended There i...

 
4:41 AM
Yes, I read that one and upvoted it :)
 
@Xavier Yes, I agree with you on that. And installing a font is about the trickiest part of any manual installation.
 
Yes. Took me quite a while to figure how to do it between .map, .enc, .pfb, etc files
Luckily fontspec is becoming more generalized :)
 
So I'm not quite sure what the right solution is. He also seems to have tried to follow the advice he was given but ran into a brick wall trying to install TL 2013. I use a Mac, so my installation was 1 click, so I don't have the experience with other systems to help out on that issue.
 
I am dual booting between OSX and archlinux, and both are mostly one-click
I don't know what's wrong with his TL2013
I wonder whether he's really running tl-install from TL2013
...
 
@Xavier Indeed. And I think that he probably should be using xeCJK instead, which would solve a lot of his problems. But if he's in the middle of something, I can understand his reluctance to change.
 
4:46 AM
So we have 2 issues
1) What to do with my answer
2) How to help him?
I don't mind editing or deleting my answer, I have absolutely no feelings towards it
It was more meant as a poorly formulated advice on "How do I install package Y?"
I wrote a package that seem to attract a lot of people to LaTeX (I get emails like "I like your design; how do I get this LaTeX thing?...")
and many many new users seem to just download disparate files from ctan and be stuck with it
 
@Xavier I think your answer doesn't really help much, so I guess I would delete it. Since you can't manually install a package using the package manager from an earlier year.
 
Ok
 
@Xavier As for helping him, this is trickier. I think that the root of the problem lies in solving his installation question for TL 2013. If that is solved, the font problem will probably disappear for him.
@Xavier Yes, sometimes I feel CTAN should be hidden from view. :)
 
@AlanMunn I agree
@AlanMunn I almost typed this in my message above :)
Do you know the people managing CTAN?
 
@Xavier On the other hand, for simple packages, CTAN is helpful. For example, I maintain a thesis class for my university and put the latest version up on CTAN. People don't need the most recent TL to run it, so even if they have an old distribution they can easily get the latest version for themselves.
@Xavier Only via e-mail.
 
4:54 AM
It would be great if, when you click to download a package, instead of streaming you the zip / tgz archive, it would present you a dialog
With options like:
- Install on TeX Live: run tlmgr install foo
- Install on MiKTeX: open ...
- Download raw archive (at your own risk!)
Or something similar
That new users would at least know that downloading and trying to install the archive manually isn't the only option
Because for the moment, nothing tells you there is another way :(
 
@Xavier That would require a lot of some extra infrastructure. Remember that CTAN is a superset of TL.
 
@AlanMunn Why so?
 
@Xavier Maybe less than I think. When you visit a page it does tell you whether the package is included in TL and MikTeX, so maybe some sterner advice would help. That wouldn't be too hard to do.
I'll suggest it to Robin.
 
@AlanMunn I don't see immediately why it should be such a daunting task. But I might be wrong of course :)
Great if you can suggest it!
 
@Xavier Well CTAN is almost a one man operation, so the threshold for daunting is quite low.
 
5:02 AM
@AlanMunn Yes, and I am not helping, so I won't complain :)
 
@Xavier Exactly. :)
 
I just feel it would help many new users.
 
@Xavier I'll let you know what happens.
 
Thanks
 
Ok. Thanks for deleting the answer. I need to go to bed as I have an 8 AM class to teach in the morning. Good night.
 
5:04 AM
NP. Thanks for pointing out he issue
Good class!
And night
 
@Xavier Thanks. It's the last one of the summer term. Yay!
 
 
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1:16 PM
Quack.
 
@PauloCereda Eight hours without messages!
Everybody was partying with @AlanMunn
 
@egreg I had to break the circle. :)
@egreg Do linguists party? :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes; they are able to propose toasts in several languages, so they end up drunk every time
 
@egreg ooh! :)
 
1:36 PM
!!/battle
 
1:56 PM
@egreg There you are, miles (or even kilometres) ahead, and PSmith not there to record it.
 
@DavidCarlisle He's on only when you are ahead. This is a conspiration.
 
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 260 vs. 105 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
@PauloCereda who invited you?
 
@PauloCereda You're an expert about songs
0
Q: Using songs.sty, how do I make a small index not consume the entire page?

msalibI'm building a song book with the songs package from songs.sourceforge.net and I'm trying to create topical indexes for songs. The small indexes consume an entire page each.

 
@egreg Not an expert, I'm afraid. :) I'm not sure what the user wants though. :(
 
2:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle Has there been any progress on numbered equations in MathML? Searching on the internet I found an old post of yours saying "Err, we'll get back to you on that" and mtableatr (or whatever it is) hasn't yet been implemented in Gecko. For a single-line equation I can stick it in a div with a number on the side, but for the equivalent of align that gets tricky. Any suggestions (I'm generating the numbers myself, by the way).
 
@AndrewStacey I think current situation is that mathjax supports mlabeltr them and firefox doesnt. Frederick has a firefox addon that uses some xsl of mine to fill in the gaps generating mathml that gecko can render (just adding an extra column in this case) and adding it to native gecko rendering and also adding a layer to mathjax so it can use the native rebdering mostly but rewrite things that do not work in particular browsers are both on his to-do list..... so for now I'd just
.. use an extra column to hold the numbers (or just put them in an mtext and move them over to the right with some css positioning
 
3:10 PM
hi guys! could someone give me a link to how to install a package (mhchem) in ubuntu?
i found it on ctan.org/pkg/mhchem
but can't find it how to install it
 
38
Q: How do I install an individual package on a Linux system?

Andrew StaceyI need to install a new TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt package on my computer. I'm running Ubuntu/Fedora/Slackware/Some-Version-Of Linux. What are the possible ways to do this? Note:   We get a number of questions that essentially reduce to this one; it was felt a good idea to have one question-and-answe...

 
@TorbjørnT. I was looking into this tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10316/… but to no avail. Thanks!
argh, I can't find mhchem anywhere
at least in those links
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. Given that I'm generating it all and so have flexibility as to how it's done then the extra column seems the best plan.
 
 
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4:26 PM
@TorbjørnT. this helped A LOT askubuntu.com/questions/72803/…
;)
 
@Sosi I guess it would. (I don't use the TeX Live in Ubuntu repos myself, but install using the installer from Tug.org. Then you can use TeX Live manager to manage your TeX distribution (e.g. updating packages, installing packages that are new in TeX Live). )
 
PGFPlot'ers: I want to put two plots aside. I thought of two minipage's, is there any auto-scale width for a plot or I have to explicitly tell them to 0.5\linewidth?
 
@PauloCereda You could perhaps use groupplots (look in the manual). Or I think you could use \pgfplotsset to set the width globally. (Or, if within a figure environment or group, locally.)
 
4:41 PM
@TorbjørnT. Ah thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda: How do you check whether a command returns an error status or not?
 
@MarcoDaniel echo $?
 
@PauloCereda Hä?
I am testing biber 1.7beta and I have the following odd behaviour
marco@imac:~/Desktop/test$arara -l test.tex
__ _ _ __ __ _ _ __ __ _
/ _` | '__/ _` | '__/ _` |
| (_| | | | (_| | | | (_| |
\__,_|_| \__,_|_| \__,_|

Running XeLaTeX... SUCCESS
Running Biber... FAILURE
marco@imac:~/Desktop/test$biber test
INFO - This is Biber 1.7 (beta)
INFO - Logfile is 'test.blg'
INFO - Reading 'test.bcf'
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 1
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 2
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
The log file of arara shows:
INFO - Found BibTeX data source 'references.bib'

25 Jun 2013 18:42:37.429 WARN  CommandTrigger - 'Biber' returned an error status.
25 Jun 2013 18:42:37.429 INFO  Arara - Done.
 
@MarcoDaniel echo $? gives you an integer referring to the exit status of the previous command.
Ah, you meant in arara.
 
@PauloCereda 25
 
4:45 PM
I check for a zero value = success.
@MarcoDaniel non-zero = error.
 
@PauloCereda Ok. Than we have a new issue related to biber or arara ;-)
marco@imac:~/Desktop/test$biber test
INFO - This is Biber 1.7 (beta)
INFO - Logfile is 'test.blg'
INFO - Reading 'test.bcf'
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 1
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 2
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Processing section 1
INFO - Looking for bibtex format file 'references.bib' for section 1
INFO - Decoding LaTeX character macros into UTF-8
INFO - Found BibTeX data source 'references.bib'
 
@MarcoDaniel I hate you. :)
 
@PauloCereda I know ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel <3
@Marco: maybe biber is having some problems.
 
Odd the same result with biber 1.6:
marco@imac:~/Desktop/test$/usr/texbin/biber test
INFO - This is Biber 1.6
INFO - Logfile is 'test.blg'
INFO - Reading 'test.bcf'
WARN - Warning: Found biblatex control file version 2.5, expected version 2.4
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 1
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Found 1 citekeys in bib section 2
INFO - Found 0 citekeys in bib section 0
INFO - Processing section 1
INFO - Looking for bibtex format file 'references.bib' for section 1
 
4:50 PM
@MarcoDaniel Maybe biber is correct, but the usual spec tells, zero = OK, non-zero = problems.
@MarcoDaniel: when you have some time, poke me in Talk. :)
 
5:43 PM
Washup everyone, I haz been toasting and a little tipsy am. It is my word order greatly affecting.
 
5:55 PM
@AlanMunn What I said. ;-) How many languages?
@AlanMunn And how many toasts?
 
@egreg Ruby, FORTRAN, Perl, and PL1. :)
Today in class, Spanish, Portuguese, Modern English, Middle English and Japanese.
 
@AlanMunn What's a toast like in Middle English?
 
@egreg Very bawdy. Just read the Canterbury Tales.
 
@AlanMunn Can I ask for your assistance when I don't understand?
 
@egreg Probably not, unfortunately. I'm no Middle English scholar. It's best to get help from the professionals so a good annotated version would be much more reliable than me.
 
6:14 PM
@egreg: Is there a special reason why does \include use \clearpage?
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes. There are a couple of topics about this on the site.
23
Q: Redefining \include

Yiannis LazaridesA puzzling choice made by Leslie Lamport was to define \include in such a way as to issue a \clearpage before reading the file. This has been puzzling me for sometime as it is not a very good choice in terms of the author interface. This question has two parts: Are there any valid reasons for t...

 
@AlanMunn Ay chihuahua! :)
 
@egreg Thanks
 
@egreg: Tevez signed with Juve?!
 
@PauloCereda I don't know.
 
6:22 PM
@egreg I read Juve and Man City sealed the deal.
 
Unconfirmed, ATM
 
@egreg Phew. :)
 
!!battle
 
@egreg Oh I need to start the bot. :)
!!/battle
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The current score is egreg 320 vs. 245 David. So far, egreg is winning.
 
@PauloCereda :)
I have to win the month, notwithstanding David's bounties.
 
6:26 PM
@egreg And since David's not here, you have plenty of opportunity to increase your lead. :)
 
@AlanMunn David has a zen garden, you know. :)
 
@AlanMunn Just 105 ahead, I must work hard.
 
@PauloCereda What are the consequences of this fact?
 
@egreg I'll implement a month battle, hold on a few minutes. :)
@AlanMunn LEGO, zen garden, cricket. Let's keep David busy. :)
 
@PauloCereda Ah, I see. I though the zen garden allowed him to keep battling even when he's not here.
 
6:55 PM
!!/month
 Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: The current score for this month is:
- egreg
- David Carlisle (-105)
- Gonzalo Medina (-145)
- Heiko Oberdiek (-2312)
- Jake (-2730)
- Werner (-2805)
- Qrrbrbirlbel (-3450)
- Marco Daniel (-4378)
- Herbert (-4870)
- karlkoeller (-4942)
- Andrew Stacey (-5053)
- Przemys?aw Scherwentke (-5142)
- Joseph Wright (-5195)
- Andrew Swann (-5195)
- Alan Munn (-5206)
- percusse (-5212)
- Martin Scharrer (-5300)
- mozartstraße (-5369)
- lockstep (-5400)
- Stefan Kottwitz (-5617)
Let me truncate this. :)
!!/month
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: The current score for this month is:
- egreg
- David Carlisle (-105)
- Gonzalo Medina (-145)
- Heiko Oberdiek (-2312)
- Jake (-2730)
@egreg, @DavidCarlisle: ^^ :)
 
@PauloCereda ...dang-it, I just missed the list! :)
 
@Werner Should I change to top 6? :P
 
@PauloCereda Nah, top 5 is more prime...
 
@PauloCereda Top 10 please :-)
 
@MarcoDaniel Top 500. :)
 
7:10 PM
Crud, I did something wrong when installing TeXLive 2013 and now biber gives an error when I try and run it
 
@AlanMunn but I am not far away
 
data source C:\Users\Name\AppData\Local\Temp\par-4d617474686577\cache-63038a22a6dc2bcfc65352f2f3a3448ce3f3ab68\inc\lib/Biber/LaTeX/recode_data.xml not found in .
Anyone know why the command biber <filename without extension> would generate that?
When I did TeXlive2012 it was fine
 
@Canageek I got similar with tl2012 just delete the cache directory and it usually rebuilds
 
@Canageek biber has some known problems with caches. Try removing the par-* directory and try again.
 
goes off to find where the heck those live
 
7:17 PM
Just remove par-4d617474686577 under C:\Users\Name\AppData\Local\Temp :)
 
Oh, I see, the one from the error
duh
IT WORKS
Thank you all
 
7:38 PM
@Canageek Unfortunately sometimes Biber goes banana and this measure is necessary; but the relevant message should be in the .blg file.
 
@DavidCarlisle: I suggest adding |*{9}{c|} as your tabular column specification in
0
A: table too long and doesnt fit within textwidth

David CarlislePlease always post complete documents as for example the text width is important her eand that can not be seen in your fragment. \documentclass[a4paper]{article} \usepackage{array} \setlength\extrarowheight{2pt} \begin{document} \begin{table}[htbp] \centering \small ...

 
I'm being “delighted” by the perhaps most boring music in the universe: Bruckner. :(
 
@Werner perhaps although probably some of them ought not be c at all (D or S)
 
@DavidCarlisle M'kay.
 
8:02 PM
@Werner you just beat me on m because the stupid thing said I'd used less than 30 characters:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :) Damn those short answers..
@DavidCarlisle: Thanks for the image upload.
 
@Werner well it was already uploaded anyway, shame to waste it:-)
 
8:48 PM
@egreg after the edit, I get an error of I try to run your code:
! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type  H <return>  for immediate help.
 ...

l.14
 
@GonzaloMedina Hmm, I should try it. :(
@GonzaloMedina The environment's name was missing from its definition. ;-)
 
@egreg Ah, of course ;-) It's fixed now.
 
@GonzaloMedina One never sees the most obvious mistake.
 
@egreg Inded ;-)
 
9:03 PM
@MarcoDaniel I've seen today that poster preamble in another place: it confirms that bad code spreads too easily. There's \usepackage{epsf} (among other beauties).
 
9:18 PM
Is anyone having problems with luatex in TL 2013? (MacTeX version) It seems to be hanging for me on simple documents.
 
@AlanMunn Example?
 
I see it's fontspec.
% !TEX TS-program = lualatex

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}

\pagestyle{empty}
\begin{document}
This is some text.
\end{document}
 
@AlanMunn 'Works for me' (updates run today)
New close reasons have arrived
 
@AlanMunn Works for me too
 
If you read the blog post the 'things you do not answer by convention are Off-Topic' line is the one being promoted
3
 
9:33 PM
@AlanMunn Don't tell me is the tattoo guy again. :)
 
Guess what the newest feature is ;-)
 
@MartinScharrer /raises hand Round corners thanks to a TikZ wrapper? :)
 
@PauloCereda PGF wrapper
 
@MartinScharrer Yay!
 
for today, tomorrow I try to get it into native PDF code so no PGF is required.
 
9:36 PM
:)
 
Hi guys! Could someone please help me out with BibTeX? I'm getting a "exit code 2" out of Kile, and don't know what to do
 
@MartinScharrer picture mode !
 
@PauloCereda :-)
\huge\ttfamily
\adjustbox{margin=2pt,bgcolor=white,clipcorners=1ex,margin=2pt,bgcolor=black}{\huge\ttfamily\strut adjustbox v1.1}
and
\huge\ttfamily
\adjustbox{margin=2pt,bgcolor=white,clipcorners=1ex,margin=2pt,bgcolor=black,clipcorners=1ex+2pt}{\huge\ttfamily\strut adjustbox v1.1}
 
10:08 PM
@egreg Very strange. The same document now works.
 
@AlanMunn And some people say CS is an exact science. Tsc tsc. :)
 
10:31 PM
@AlanMunn Maybe luatex was building the font database
@JosephWright Here's an example for the new closing reasons
0
Q: using subfig but cant get the images right

user32791I wanted to have the 8 or so pictures side by side and it does work but the only problem is it comes back with errors saying lofdepth undefined and lotdepth undefined and I have no a clue how to fix it, any help would be very appreciated. \documentclass{article} \usepackage{caption} \usepackage...

We would have closed it as "too localized". And now?
Probably "unclear what you're asking"
 
10:51 PM
@egreg I need another option, "unclear what I'm doing". :)
 
@PauloCereda Procrastinating, probably.
 
@egreg Oh no! /runs :)
 
@egreg I pretty much typed in the old TL reason :-/
 
@egreg funny you should say that I just posted a long comment on the \include question saying it would have been TL but now possibly unclear, but then the MWE was made more usable and it's a breqn bug so not closed at all:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I wanted to comment it "another reason for avoiding breqn". :)
 
11:03 PM
@egreg everyone should put all their maths in ooalign then they wouldn't need automatic breqn line breaking
 
@DavidCarlisle Also less paper wasted
 
@egreg paper? No one still prints on dead trees do they?
 
Is there any situation in which using 0 as the number of arguments in a command definition might result useful? I mean, one can do something like \newcommand\Test[0]{a} but [0] here is superfluous. Are there any cases in which this use of [0] is not superfluous?
 
@GonzaloMedina no
@GonzaloMedina in particular
\def\new@command#1{%
  \@testopt{\@newcommand#1}0}
 
11:18 PM
Strange. I just received a declined review on a flag that I don't recall posting:
 
.. means that essentially \newcommand\foo{} is shorthand for \newcommand\foo[0]{}
 
Not only that, reasons that are not covered by previous messages are now mentioned as being obsolete. :-/
 
@DavidCarlisle I see. Thanks.
@Werner Where do you see information about declined flags?
 
It's just that I don't remember flagging that post.
 
@Werner Thank you.
 
11:24 PM
@GonzaloMedina For future reference, you get there by clicking on your profile, then by clicking on the "helpful flags" link just below your "profile views".
 
I am in despair! My city has an average temperature of 17 degrees C, but today we were over 26 degrees C; I only can stand temperatures like that at the sea shore and on vacation!
 
11:46 PM
@GonzaloMedina Oh my!
 
...yes, something is wrong with my list of flags.
 
@PauloCereda: I now implemented it for dvips in Postscript.
There was an issue with the scaling I had to fix first. Apparently the normal dvips clipping driver is off as well, because of the different understanding of the point unit between TeX and PS.
 
@PauloCereda The bot has an option for weather, doesn't it? How is it used? I'm curious about the answer it gives for my city.
 
@MartinScharrer Wow. :) You are like the next generation of Heiko. :)
@GonzaloMedina Let me enable it first. :)
 
@PauloCereda Tsk, tsk...
 
11:56 PM
@GonzaloMedina Try !!/answer weather in <city>, <country>
 
!!/answer weather in Manizales, Colombia
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode:

weather | Manizales, Colombia
temperature | 25 °C  (wind chill: 27 °C)
conditions | partly cloudy
relative humidity | 69%  (dew point: 19 °C)
wind speed | 2 m/s
(57 minutes ago)
(using weather station SKPE: 37 km SW and 740 meters below Manizales, Colombia)
between 7 °C and 12 °C
rain (evening to early morning)  |  few clouds (all night)
between 9 °C and 22 °C
few clouds (all day)  |  rain (early afternoon onward)

  |  |   |
low: 6 °C
Thu, Jun 27, 4:00am | average high:  | 24 °C
 
@PauloCereda I got a "Thank you" email today from a LaTeX user about my LaTeX packages ... :-) How nice!
 
@MartinScharrer How nice! :) It must be very rewarding. :)
 
@PauloCereda Arghhh! And that was an hour ago, almost at sunset!
 
11:58 PM
@GonzaloMedina Don't worry, here's a fortune cookie to cheer you up. :)
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Use emacs.
HEY!
@DavidCarlisle: teh bot is broken.
 
@MartinScharrer You get "Thank you" messages and @DavidCarlisle gets "Bug report" ones ;-)
 
@GonzaloMedina :-) I get bug reports, too!
 
Oct 26 '12 at 20:55, by David Carlisle
@egreg You get pizza and I get a user on site claiming a longtable bug. I suppose that's fair.
 

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