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12:01 AM
@tohecz another one by the same user i suppose tex.stackexchange.com/a/91260/15717
 
@texenthusiast seems so. I edited the arabic text and put the one from Vafa's answer there.
but this text seems to be too short to contain any inappropriate stuff
 
ok
@tohecz whats the difference between registered vs unregistered users ?
 
@texenthusiast I'm not sure. I've always thought you can't unregister yourself, but I'm probably wrong.
BTW, I'm officially a TUG member :)
Now I only want to make it into JČMF and ČMS
 
@tohecz Hearty Congratulations
 
@texenthusiast thanks
 
12:12 AM
Mission accomplished: daily voting limit reached.
 
@tohecz I suppose both these are duplicate ? tex.stackexchange.com/q/91125/15717 and the Closed one tex.stackexchange.com/q/91117/15717
 
@PauloCereda can I swear?
 
@tohecz No. :)
 
@PauloCereda ok, then I won't and I'll say only: holy duck
 
@tohecz <3
 
12:14 AM
@texenthusiast they're both TL or NARQ
 
!!/answer what word did tohecz mean to use instead of duck?
 
@PeterGrill This should be an answer of yours:
Error message goes away if you add \RequirePackage{tikz} before the \documentclass. — Peter Grill 9 mins ago
 
@tohecz ok
 
@DavidCarlisle There's a Blackadder episode where they discuss what sounds just like "luck". :)
@JosephWright: as Blackadder expert, could you confirm this? ^^ :)
 
@PauloCereda yes but where's Psmith gone?
 
12:18 AM
@DavidCarlisle My other machine is turned off. :)
 
btw, @Paulo, I'm getting after you :p
 
@tohecz Atta boy. :)
 
@PauloCereda never there when you need him, probably getting ready to watch bbc.co.uk/sport/0/hi/english/static/cricket/statistics/…
 
@PauloCereda lol, but you're still like 500% ahead considering LaTeX packages... :D
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my! Go England!
@tohecz <3
 
12:22 AM
@PeterGrill I've added the patch according to your "reuse" idea.
 
ok, being happy about managing my 7 ticks, I go to bed ;)
 
@tohecz I am new to Version control. Which version control system you use ?
 
@texenthusiast you don't want to know :p
mkdir chkfloat_0.1
 
Well, time for me to go to Bedfordshire. Tomorrow I'm going to São Paulo again. Let's hope the weather cooperates. :)
 
@cjorssen: Hmmm, I think you are missing the whole point of procrastinating.. :-) — Peter Grill 1 hour ago
 
12:26 AM
Good night friends! :)
 
@PauloCereda Have a nice sleep and a nice trip.
@DavidCarlisle Another case where one has to use \meaning: if you want to know what register number a symbolic register name refers to.
 
@tohecz you mean you dont use any ?
 
@texenthusiast yes, exactly
 
@tohecz ok
 
but remember that I do not participate on any large project
 
12:31 AM
@egreg yes countdef/mathchardef not so much difference really
 
@tohecz Yes you have a point, its like optimal when you use it in bulk, otherwise it becomes a pain
 
@texenthusiast yeah
well, now I really gotta go, see ya tomorrow
 
@tohecz Good Night and Sweet Dreams
 
1:08 AM
@tohecz Ok, done..
@egreg Yep, that works great. And quite a bit faster. :-)
 
 
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9:08 AM
@texenthusiast Mercurial and git are the standards these days, if you use distributed, which you should.
Mercurial is considered by some to be more user friendly, but git is more popular, at least with the Unix/Linux crowd.
 
@FaheemMitha Sounds about right: I find Mercurial easy to use, but Git is likely to win in the longer term (for example, it's now part of the standard Xcode set up on my Mac)
 
@JosephWright Supposedly Mercurial is popular with Windows users, but I don't use Windows, so I don't know about that.
 
@FaheemMitha For quite a while using Git was much more awkward on Windows, but that is now sorted
Mercurial has has a shell ad-in for some time (TortoiseHg: similar to TortoiseSVN for SVN)
 
@JosephWright Yes, so I heard.
@JosephWright Yes, I've used that on Debian. It is quite good.
 
@FaheemMitha I'm not a big fan of shell add-is, as once you have more than one you end up with lots of options you never use. However, many people do find them helpful.
 
9:22 AM
@JosephWright I mostly find the command line works for me. Unless one is doing lots of merges and branches, in which case a DAG can be helpful. Though hg glog gives a command line graph.
 
@FaheemMitha Same here: on my Mac I have SourceTree for that sort of thing (handily covers Git and Mercurial, but sadly not SVN)
 
RCS anyone?
where's Psmith, we need a cricket update
 
@DavidCarlisle Hi, David. Sorry about yesterday. I've been a bit unwell, so I've perhaps been somewhat out of it. Well, more than usual, anyway.
@JosephWright I've never used a Mac.
 
@FaheemMitha Can't recall anything you need to apologise for but apology accepted anyway:-)
 
The question about section number 0 was removed by its author
 
9:34 AM
@FaheemMitha There are several similar tools :-)
 
9:58 AM
@JosephWright Punctuation question please:
We have that $1/3=0.33333\ldots$
or
We have that $1/3=0.33333\ldots$.
?
 
@tohecz More one for @egreg than me: he's a mathematician, I'm just a chemist (so rarely need ... in math mode)
 
@JosephWright Damn, I hate when I strongly disagree with the referee on English.
An interest in lazy representations started in 1990 by works of Erd\H{o}s, Jo\'o and Komornik \cite{ErJoKo}.
An interest in lazy representations is started in 1990 by works of Erd\H{o}s, Jo\'o and Komornik \cite{ErJoKo}.
 
@tohecz The former is more correct. There should be no is. Though I'd use with instead of by.
 
@tohecz I'd have something like 'Interest in lazy representations was started in 1990 following publications by ...'
 
@JosephWright yeah, but surely not "is". And that's not the only one I complain about
 
10:06 AM
@FaheemMitha 'An interest' seems to require a specific person having the interest
 
The leading an is also unnecessary, imo.
 
@tohecz Definitely not: 'was'
@FaheemMitha It's incorrect, I think: I have an interest, a community has just interest in a topic
 
I hate when a non-native speaking referee write tonnes of English bullshit into the report
 
@tohecz Most of the time you are right
@tohecz We have a German guy here who's better at English than me :-)
 
@JosephWright Right.
@JosephWright German people can be quite good at English grammar, because they actually learn it, at least some of them, as opposed to native speakers, who just pick it up.
 
10:08 AM
@JosephWright s/non-native speaking referee/referee with bad English/
 
OTOH native speakers find it easier to sound idiomatic.
 
"$0$ is inside $J$" or "$0$ is inside of $J$" ?
 
@tohecz The is is definitely wrong.
@tohecz The former.
@tohecz What is the context?
 
@FaheemMitha "The apple is green (if $0$ is inside $J$ or $b$ is negative) or red (if something blabla)."
 
@tohecz You could just say is in $J$, at least in a math context.
a is in the set X, not inside.
 
10:12 AM
@FaheemMitha we use "inside" as "in the interior"
so better "0 is an interior point of J"
 
@tohecz Oh, I see.
Yes, interior would be better there.
 
@tohecz The 'of' is optional: I personally prefer with these in, but there seems to be a pattern of dropping them
 
@FaheemMitha but the context is clear, I should have finished the sentence: "(if $0$ is a boundary point of $J$ and $b$ is positive)"
 
@JosephWright I think the of is redudant, personally.
 
@FaheemMitha As I said, it's optional
 
10:16 AM
@JosephWright Right.
 
It is a matter of considering "inside" as either proverb or preposition.
 
@tohecz As a mathematician, I'd say that 0.3333\ldots is incorrect. There is no general consensus about how to denote periodic numbers or in general decimal alignments (with omission of digits after a certain point); I'd try avoiding the punctuation just following it. If unavoidable, maybe 0.333\cdots is a possibility.
 
@tohecz I still prefer interior, it is less ambigious.
@tohecz you could do .3 with a line over the 3, to denote recurring.
I don' t know if that notation is still current, but I've seen it used.
 
@egreg this is in "Introduction", we are not to be mathematically correct, it is more an exposition
(unique expansions)
 
@tohecz Avoid the punctuation.
 
10:18 AM
\cdot sounds good
@egreg quite complicated in this case.
 
@tohecz Then \cdots
 
Btw, can you tell me what is "obsure" on a sentence: "Our de nition below is a restriction of the very general numeration system considered by Thurston [11], which permits for the base also complex numbers."
 
@tohecz You mean definition, i suppose
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, copy-paste of ligatures without lmodern and T1
 
which permits for the base also complex numbers ?
 
10:21 AM
@FaheemMitha is it not clear? We restrict to real, Thurston permits complex
 
@tohecz "which makes possible to use also complex numbers as the base"
 
@egreg yeah, something like that would be better, but he suggests to remove everything after [11].
btw, another one I'm not sure about:
The Proposition 2.5 suggests how to choose a suitable ordering on the set $R _A(x)$.
The Proposition 2.5 suggests how to choose a suitable ordering on set $R _A(x)$.
 
@tohecz Neither: "Proposition 2.5 suggests how to choose a suitable ordering on the set $R_A(x)$"
 
@tohecz Why not say - while Thurston permits complex numbers, we only consider (or allow) reals.
Which is more explicit. Explicit is better. It is in the Zen of Python, so it must be true.
 
@egreg damn, my mistake, he obviously means the leading "The".
 
10:38 AM
@tohecz I always use "As we saw in Chapter 1", "by Proposition 3.6", "it follows from Theorem 1" and so on. Maybe @JosephWright can say something.
 
@tohecz I think skipping the leading The is correct, fwiw.
Proposition 2.5 has a suggestion on how to choose... perhaps
Since Prop is not a person, it can't really suggest things.
Or "contains a suggestion", perhaps.
 
@FaheemMitha c'mon, all mathematicians treat their favourite statements as living creatures
@egreg I know, I oversaw it there
the referee doesn't like "For, it is a preimage of a compact set under a continuous mapping."
he seems to be against using "For<comma>"
 
@tohecz Wow, your referee is really doing the micro-editing.
Most of the time, they don't bother.
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, but he has been wrong several times :-/
 
@tohecz True, that doesn't help.
 
10:46 AM
@FaheemMitha the thing is that he suggest "In fact, $R$ is ..." instead of "For, it is ..."
 
@tohecz this is a differential geometry paper?
 
this obviously changes the importance of things.
not really: numeration systems
 
@tohecz ok
 
England Innings
325 for 4 (50.0 overs)
India Innings
4 for 0 (1.0 over)
 
11:45 AM
@egreg just saw your \begin{hyphenrules}{nohyphenation} comment as I posted my answer, never noticed that before:-)
 
12:17 PM
Vote to close as an exact duplicate: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/91303/…
 
 
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1:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle And \language=-1 doesn't work (TeXbook, p. 455)
 
1:38 PM
@egreg btw, it's a matter of coincidence that I need this feature as well, and exactly at that time the question appears...
 
It might be a useful information for you. I lost my edit privilege after reducing my rep points below the threshold.
 
@tohecz That knowledge comes from my travels in babel land.
@AdorableCreature I think that the site privileges depend on the current rep.
 
@egreg but isn't \hyphenpenalty10000 enough?
 
@tohecz Yes, but using a language with no hyphenation patterns is faster.
 
@egreg Then my assumption is wrong. I assumed that a certain privilege is given after the rep points reach the corresponding threshold no matter how the rep points will be in the future.
 
1:45 PM
@AdorableCreature you can lose your priviledges
 
@tohecz I see. :-)
 
@AdorableCreature I suppose you again offered a bounty on a question where your answer was not voted much, didn't you? :)
 
@tohecz Up voting is not the target for sure. :-)
@tohecz I just wanted to offer more bounties.
 
2:05 PM
@egreg oops never did learn tex3 as well as tex2:-) thanks will edit
 
@DavidCarlisle For some reasons, hyphenation cannot be disabled during the second pass over a paragraph and a \language should be present, explicitly or implicitly.
@JosephWright While there is no provided infrastructure, the current file handler for the .aux file still can be used.
 
2:32 PM
England beat India by 9 runs
India: 316-9 (50.0 overs)
England: 325-4 (50.0 overs)
phew:-)
 
2:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle Wow, that was close!
 
3:34 PM
this got mentioned in a g+ posting, possibly some interesting fonts/quotes here
 
4:01 PM
@egreg Of course: my point was that we don't have an L3 structure for the entire area
 
@JosephWright That requires rethinking to the whole subject, of course. Keeping in mind that BibTeX or Biber (as they stand) need some predefined structures in the .aux file.
 
4:21 PM
I hope I'm not over-acting here:
PeterJansson, I didn't find another way how to message you. Notice that edits to only correct grammar and typos are not acceptable, according to this post: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/340/…tohecz 34 secs ago
 
@tohecz If the question/answe is very recent, there's not much harm in correcting typos. Correcting some grammar issues can make the question/answer clearer and in this case (but it's quite rare) I would deem it acceptable.
 
@JosephWright this one can be closed as TL
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Q: 3D surface in pgfplots with given data

MYaseen208I am trying to make a 3D surface in pgfplots with input data. I am not able to get the expected graph. I would highly appreciate if you could point out to me what I am missing. \documentclass{standalone} \usepackage{pgfplots} \usepackage{filecontents} \begin{filecontents*}{mydata.dat} x ...

I confirmed it with the OP in their later question: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/91335/…
@tohecz I agree that some edits are trivial (such as removing Thanks), but correcting grammar and typos is definitely necessary sometimes (as @egreg says). You'll never stop people removing thanks that are really determined though!
Is there a link that describes voting on the site? I just noticed a user who has 31 questions, and hasn't cast a single upvote- perhaps they are unaware?
 
@egreg yeah, but doing so in every post you spot, quite often really unimportant, while leaving some much more important corrections undone?
 
@tohecz thanks, that's great :)
 
@tohecz No, not in every post. I agree.
 
4:46 PM
@egreg however, I believe I'll be much less distracted by that once he's over 2k
 
@tohecz that was my point when I said that you'll never stop people from removing thanks :) Personally I never remove the thanks, it just seems rude. I know there is something of an 'official' policy not to write thanks, but still....
 
@cmhughes I don't do it as my only edit. However, once I have to step into the question, I try to do it thoroughly
 
@tohecz yes, I agree with that :)
 
5:11 PM
@tohecz You might want to mention this alternative way for your modified \caption answer:
\usepackage{letltxmacro,xparse}
\makeatletter
\LetLtxMacro\original@caption\caption
\RenewDocumentCommand{\caption}{o m}
 {\IfNoValueTF{#1}
   {\original@caption{#2}}
   {\original@caption[#1]{#1 --- #2}}%
 }
\makeatother
 
@egreg I smell L3 :D
 
Here \LetLtxMacro is not really necessary, but it does no harm either.
@tohecz Of course it uses xparse, but is undoubtedly easier to manage.
 
@egreg I know, but I'm somehow not so fond of using L3, I cannot explain why
@egreg and I'm downhearted just now :(
(it has nothing to do with TeX, to clarify myself)
 
5:34 PM
@tohecz Sorry to hear.
 
This has happened to me 3 times already: you start doing some research, and after couple months, you find out that someone else has done that before you. I'm seriously considering giving up science and becoming a professional typesetter.
 
@tohecz Too many people doing research. It's difficult to have really new ideas.
 
@egreg Yeah. Well, at least I'm now sure about one thing concerning research: NO Academy of Sciences, YES University
 
 
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8:26 PM
@tohecz You need to have crazier ideas. Or perhaps better implementations.
@tohecz Being a professional typesetter might be boring.
I see two new answers to tex.stackexchange.com/q/57223/3406 just appeared within minutes of each other. Quite a coincidence.
 
8:45 PM
@FaheemMitha I had the answer to the now closed duplicate almost ready. And I like none of the answers there, although I upvoted a couple of them.
@FaheemMitha A Revival badge is always welcome. :) I'm almost at 100.
 
@egreg There was a duplicate?
 
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Q: Store and retrieve content across documents

nicolai.rostov Possible Duplicate: Automating quoting across LaTeX documents I'm working on 2 documents: 1.tex and 2.tex. 2.tex is a metadocument about 1.tex, so that 2.tex has a lot of quotations from 1.tex. Thus, if I modify 1.tex, I need to modify 2.tex to reflect the changes accordingly. Such a ...

 
@egreg Oh. Thanks.
 
9:02 PM
Meow.
 
@PauloCereda Welcome back! Bad weather and worse traffic, I guess. :)
 
@egreg Hi egreg! :) Surprisingly, I got a nice weather and an acceptable traffic today. Spooky. :)
 
!!/answer Weather in São Paulo (Brazil)
@PauloCereda A long day!
 
@egreg Sorry, it's another machine. :)
@egreg :)
 
9:34 PM
@egreg you don't like my answer? shocking:-)
@PauloCereda but the cricket results....
 
@egreg Actually, I'm surprised there's not already a package for it. It seems like it would be generally useful functionality.
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't find that reading each time the auxiliary file until finding the required key can be considered efficient. However I did upvote your answer at the time, because I read your answers and am not afraid about you catching me up. ;-)
@DavidCarlisle I'm only 60 behind for the week. :)
!!/cricket
 
@egreg behind is behind
 
@DavidCarlisle There's still a day to pass.
 
@egreg is that what I did, can't remember:(
 
9:42 PM
Competition is so 20th century. It's the new millenium, you guys.
 
What is the secret to getting something all the way to the right? I know there is already question on the site, but can't find it. So, in the following, I want #3 to always be on the right -- currently fails for the case where \mbox{#3} does not fit on the line (and the text preceding does not occupy more than one line), so it ends up on the left side of the second line:
\parbox{\linewidth}{\raggedright#1:~#2 \hfill\mbox{#3}}
 
@PeterGrill \makebox[\linewidth][r]{#3}
 
@PeterGrill \hspace*{\fill}
 
@DavidCarlisle: Yeah, that fixes it for the failing case, but also messes it up for the normal cases..
@egreg Yep, that is it... Thanks..
 
@PeterGrill oh sorry misread I thought you always wanted a break, what egreg said then (lucky he doesn't get a tick for that)
 
9:48 PM
@DavidCarlisle Well if I did not know that was already a question here I would have posted it..
 
@PeterGrill The space before the \hspace* allows for a break before it.
 
@FaheemMitha Next you'll be saying you are not waiting for Psmith to return with the cricket results.
 
@DavidCarlisle I enjoyed reading about cricket in P. G. Wodehouse's novels, and a few other similar things. He made is sound much more interesting than it really is. Mostly it is a bunch of people standing around.
 
@egreg Wow!! How did you know I would miss that space?? Thanks for predicting my next question...
 
@FaheemMitha Yes the most interesting thing about it is trying to get people from non cricketing nations to understand a cricket scorecard, it's kind of a cruel spectator sport like bear bating
 
9:53 PM
@PeterGrill I have my private "eightball" oracle. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I thought British people were supposed to worship cricket.
Actually, Indians are too. And technically, I'm Indian.
 
@FaheemMitha I've already told this: the first thing I saw of England was, through a clearing in the clouds while landing at Gatwick, a cricket match.
No white cliffs of Dover or something like that, but cricket. :)
 
@FaheemMitha we have to maintain the external image of the typical english way of life, so the tourists come:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Like separate taps for cold and hot water? ;-)
 
@egreg If you see the white cliffs of dover while landing at gatwick you need to worry about your pilot
 
9:57 PM
@egreg :-) Someone could make a LOT of money in England with a single tap that combines hot and cold.. :-)
 
@egreg Is that English? Never really thought about it
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, the airplane was Romanian. The sign for safety belts read "legați-va centurile"
@DavidCarlisle You may find separate taps only in some very old fashioned French hotel, I believe.
But actually I had them at home when I was a child.
 
@egreg apart from the Kitchen all the taps in my house are separate (house built ~1997 :-)
 
@PeterGrill Did someone invent that?
@DavidCarlisle Like I said. :)
 
@egreg Yeah, perhaps it is patent issue and the British refuse to license it. :-)
 
10:03 PM
@PeterGrill Next you'll be saying we should use automatic gear change in cars
 
@DavidCarlisle Wow, so the one place where separate taps might actually makes sense is the place where you use the new fancy technology of combining hot and cold taps. :-)
@DavidCarlisle I wouldn't go that far, but perhaps driving on the "right" (correct) side would be good. :-)
 
@PeterGrill driving on the left makes more sense, so you can steer with the right hand while changing gear with the left
 
@DavidCarlisle Huh? How about steering with the left while changing gears with the right?
Am I missing something?
You must be a leftie then. :-)
 
@PeterGrill most people are right handed and I think it's safer to steer accurately rather than accurately change gear or fiddle with the radio
 
@DavidCarlisle I was actually going to say the opposite as steering is simpler than changing gears, btu I guess one gets used to it...
 
10:26 PM
@PeterGrill Think to how people plays the violin: the left hand does the more delicate work.
 
not sure I've used lastnodetype before:-)
 
@egreg Hmmm. I think I have seen both ways, but I am not much of a musician. This is another of those things that I wish he world had just standardized on -- either will work just fine, but having both does not really add any value, IMHO, btu does add extra overhead...
 
Hmm...If I want my text to be underlined, what should I add to font={\sffamily \LARGE}? I've forgot sad panda
 
@DavidCarlisle Why not -1? -1 means "start of list".
 
10:35 PM
@egreg yes >0 just means != -1 in that test
 
@DavidCarlisle You're in math, so 0 can't happen. But it doesn't work with \left(\true\right)
 
@Speldosa underlining is not a property of the font so you cant't normally youse it like \Large, but as \underline{text} but mostly you shouldn't underline:-)
@egreg yes shame you can't see the mathopen but the request was the {\true} loses the space and that works
 
@DavidCarlisle I'll leave a comment about this.
 
@egreg You just want to persuade him not to give me a tick:-) You never use \left\right anyway
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, okay. I knew about the \underline command. Anyhow, I'm writing for a scientific journal and they seldom have any taste anyway, so I'll probably get away with it :)
 
10:42 PM
@Speldosa If you want more flexible underlining (allowing line breaks etc) look at ulem or soul packages but best not to underline (did I mention that:-)
ah @PauloCereda is Psmith in the building?
 
@DavidCarlisle Hold on. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle It's just for three headlines in a figure. I'll probably be okay with the standard \underline.
 
@DavidCarlisle: Now he is. :)
 
!!/cricket
 
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Let's take a look at the last cricket results:

- Cape Cobras 224/10 &  81/6 * v Lions 270/10
- Titans 335/10  v Knights 190/7 *
- KwaZulu-Natal Under-19s v Free State Under-19s
- Boland Under-19s 147/10  v Eastern Province Under-19s 95 *
- Gauteng Under-19s 422/5 * v Northerns Under-19s
- Griqualand West Under-19s 219/4 * v KwaZulu-Natal Inland Under-19s 209/10
- North West Under-19s v Easterns Under-19s 209/5 *
- South Western Districts Under-19s 84/10 &  7/2 * v Western Province Under-19s 303/6
 
10:44 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, but repeating it is good: never underline, don't use underlining, avoid underlining. :)
 
@PauloCereda he's not reporting the England/India match:(
 
@DavidCarlisle It reports only interesting matches, perhaps.
OMG
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Q: Using both times and eulervm packages

MazzyI'm adopting for my thesis times new roman as text font and eulervm for math fonts. Which is the correct package for times to use?

 
Can anyone try to understand the logic on this one? dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/01/…
 
ḏo̱ṉ'̱ṯ ̱u̱ṉḏe̱ṟḻi̱ṉe̱
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@DavidCarlisle I hear you :)
 
10:55 PM
@Speldosa actually the rendering of that is pretty disappointing (firefox 21 on windows) I hoped the underline would look more continuous
 
@DavidCarlisle Why do you hate underlines so much? Traumatic childhood memories?
 
@Speldosa It's group-think if you hang around typography circles. underlining is widely seen as handwriting or typewritten instructions to a typesetter to do bold or some such, not anything you'd actually ever put in a printed document
 
Does this work ? u&#x332;n&#x332;d&#x332;e&#x332;r&#x332;l&#x332;i&#x332;n&#x332;e&#x332;d&#x332;
 
@percusse Let's try: u̲n̲d̲e̲r̲l̲i̲n̲e̲d̲
 
@percusse I used 331 yes 332 is better
 
11:10 PM
Firefox 21? You have got a time machine, don't you? :)
 
@DavidCarlisle How come it didn't parse automatically?
 
@DavidCarlisle I see.
@DavidCarlisle Factoid noted!
 
@MartyIX FF nightly (I like to live on the edge, actually usually I use nightly WG9 which is a bit less stable:-0
@percusse numeric references work on site but not in chat for some reason, you have to enter the actual character
 
@DavidCarlisle ah I see.
 
@DavidCarlisle ah, I have the beta version (FF 19) so I assumed the only newer version is FF 20. Enjoy the instability :D
 
11:16 PM
@MartyIX He is also using Windows 11.
 
Sep 18 '12 at 16:21, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle: how many browsers do you have installed, of course, apart from emacs? :)
 
Service Pack 2
 
of couse, he does :)
 
@MartyIX i find your lack of faith disturbing, Luke. Click the link @DavidCarlisle posted and read his response to that.
@PauloCereda ooh, it's catching up the wind
 
11:19 PM
@percusse We need Klingon, sir. :)
 
@PauloCereda so have you pulled that back to your repro?
 
@PauloCereda I like файл :)
 
@PauloCereda Speaking of which, this popped up again;
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Q: Is there a WYSIWYG editor for biblatex styles?

susis strolchDoes anyone know if a WYSIWYG editor for biblatex exists, where I simply can enter some kind of template (e.g. regular expression or whatever) and the needed commands to produce this style would be generated. Especially for the style of entries in the reference list. Considering different order...

The TeX world awaits....
 
Also Ой-ой is nice.
 
@percusse Oh.
@egreg What does that mean? :)
 
11:23 PM
@PauloCereda файл is the phonetic transcription of "file". And Ой-ой of "ohi-ohi".
 
@egreg ooh! :)
 
@PauloCereda 23 upvotes on a comment is something rare. Even PLK is excited about it
 
@PauloCereda I can still read the cyrillic alphabet. Not much more, my Russian is very rusty.
 
@percusse My problem is basically time. See our manual, it's stuck for at least 3 months.
@egreg Cool! Any chance of reading Crime and Punishment in the original?
:)
 
@PauloCereda perfectionism and software manual doesn't go hand in hand :)
 
11:25 PM
Even better than being ahead of @egreg, tex.stackexchange.com/users?tab=reputation&filter=week lists my active tags as including :-)
 
@PauloCereda I've abandoned Russian many years ago.
 
@percusse I'll never write a complicated software, it's boring to explain it. :)
@egreg :)
 
@percusse Haha. Well, everybody has a hobby and David "collects" browsers. Actually, I support that. Let's not hurt butterflies any more :)
 
@PauloCereda what you need in that case would be an xml technologies group who'd manage your documentation needs (under a brilliant and inspired group leader)
 
@MartyIX Hehe, no problem. He can explain better why he is collecting the browsers.
 
11:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle (acting surprised) Who's the leader? :)
 
@MartyIX more of a job than a hobby
 
@PauloCereda Send that sentence to tantau@tcs.uni-luebeck.de
 
@percusse Which one?
 
@DavidCarlisle David: 243 × 31; egreg: 409 × 76
 
@PauloCereda I'll never write a complicated software, it's boring to explain it. :)
 
11:30 PM
@percusse ooh.
 
@egreg yes that's all time, but this week is apparently tikz week for me (that's why I'm ahead probably) Tikz users vote for any old answer:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle And what is your job? If I may ask. It sounds to me like a developer of Mathjax or something like that (given the topic of the chat room and your collection...)
 
@MartyIX well as you may guess from my reply to Paulo above My job title is group leader of the xml technologies group but I'm editor of MathML spec (and XML(/html5) entity definitions and one or two other bits and pieces so I need to make sure that browsers that people will be using next week show mathematics (our documentation has a lot of mathematics) Before that I had something to do with making latex2e I don't really use tex now I just hang out here for old times sake and cricket news
 
@DavidCarlisle Is there still a drive to support IE ? They say it's still being used a lot but that doesn't look like an excuse
 
@percusse I spend about 95% of my time at present trying to make things work in IE (or rather mshtml rendering engine as exposed for example in visual studio help) let's just say it isn't my favourite browser and often I only come here to get a bit of (relative) sanity:-)
 
11:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sanity? Here?
!!/eightball O powerful oracle, are we sane here?
 
@DavidCarlisle I feel your pain from my early web design days but that doesn't explain why you are still supporting it.
 
@egreg compared to IE the wise logic shown by eightball is a refreshing change.
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Oh, I see. You are the first editor of a specification I've ever encountered :)) I hope one day IE will support MathML (as far as I know IE10 does not) because one of my projects would benefit from that :)
 
@percusse we sell library software to customers customers write code in visual studio cistomers press F1 I'm supposed to make something good happen
 
@DavidCarlisle ouch
 
11:42 PM
Maybe the tactics of Microsoft is to keep web development in chaos.
 
@MartyIX Chrome 24 went stable today so that just pushed MathML support to several million people, and leaves IE as the only major browser without anything out of the box, next plan is to embarrass them enough to fix that
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I've read that earlier today. I'm watching gs.statcounter.com closely to see falling IE's share. It's slow but steady. Thank god.
I don't know much about MathML but is it better than LaTeX? When I see LaTeX syntax I can understand what it means but MathML employs xml notation and it's not easily legible for me. Obviously you need an editor for MathML.
 
@egreg Oh why Psmith didn't reply?
!!/help
Oh no.
!!/help
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Good night! I'm Psmith, the friendly TeX bot - the p in my name is silent, as in pshrimp. I'm here as a companion to our fellow users in the typographic land. As you probably noticed, I always reply under Paulo's account, but do not despair, I say, my replies are always preceded by my own name. Enjoy your stay at TeX.sx! If you need any help, just ask our chat residents. Cheerio!
Phew.
!!/eightball O powerful oracle, are we sane here?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: only egreg knows the answer.
 
@PauloCereda Probably it was reading the cricket rules.
 
@percusse LOL
 
11:56 PM
@PauloCereda Self reference! I love it!
 
@egreg I swear it was the bot, not me. :)
 
!!/eightball Did you read Gödel's proof?
 
@egreg Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is decidedly so.
@percusse: Captain, as you are our arara diplomat, tell me if my answer is friendly enough: github.com/cereda/arara/pull/31 :)
!!/eightball Do you like David? :)
 
@PauloCereda I think it's great.
 
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
@percusse Thanks. :)
!!/eightball do you like me?:
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: without a doubt.
oh, you! <3
 

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