TeX, LaTeX and Friends

12:59 AM

@JosephWright: I read Bruno's email in the L3 list about testing. If I can help with something, just tell me, I'd love to.

Patrick Gundlach

8:20 AM

opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/…

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interesting read

The effect of typefaces on credibility

Marco Daniel

8:34 AM

@JosephWright: I added biblatex-phys ;-) meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1181/…

Jake

@PatrickGundlach Wow, that's really interesting!

lockstep

8:54 AM

Too localized (OP uses MiKTeX 2.5):

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Q: Undefined control sequence subfloat - although I am using subfig.sty

I use LaTeX with TeXnicCenter. When I try to compile this example, I get the error message that subfloat is an undefined control sequence. What is wrong? \documentclass[10pt,twocolumn]{book} \usepackage{subfig} \begin{document} \begin{figure*} \centering \subfloat[subcaption1]{\epsfig{file...

subfloats

Stefan Kottwitz

9:07 AM

@PatrickGundlach I was especially convinced by a "scientific" statement in Comic Sans - strange feeling trying to trust facts written in Comic Sans.

Marco Daniel

9:30 AM

Is there any question?

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Q: Adjust the caption to figures on minipage

Using minipage, is posible to split the (a) (b) letters above any figures, in order to perfectly center them? \begin{figure}[tpb] \subfloat[]{ \begin{minipage}{0.45\linewidth} %tamaño \includegraphics[width=1\columnwidth,keepaspectratio]{matlab/...

horizontal-alignment captions subfloats minipage

Joseph Wright

@MarcoDaniel I think the OP wants the graphics centred above the (a), (b), etc.

Andrew Stacey

9:54 AM

@PatrickGundlach How completely and utterly flawed! The most hilarious part was the slight smugness that almost no-one spotted that it was about fonts since to spot that you'd either have to have seen it in a bizarre font (sadly, Comic Sans probably doesn't fit there) or have seen it more than once and noticed the font change. But the flaw is that there are objective criteria for believing or not believing the statement and these change depending on how you interpret the question.

(ctd) I interpreted it as the statement being "Given that we can now do something about asteroids, are we safer now than before?" (I dismissed the unquantitative "unprecedented" as irrelevant hyperbole) to which the answer is an obvious "Yes". Others may have read it as "Do you agree that we can do something about them?" to which the answer is not so obvious and the few comments I saw disagree with this.

(ctd) Lastly, the use of p-values to "justify" the outcome is hilarious. I suppose they chose their font carefully for that to ensure that we all simply believed it.

I'm going for OT on tex.stackexchange.com/q/66585/86

And possible duplicate (assuming the [tikz-pgf] tag implies the questioner is using TikZ): tex.stackexchange.com/questions/66573/…

Joseph Wright

10:12 AM

@AndrewStacey True: need to wait for a response

Andrew Stacey

@JosephWright Yup. Just noting my recent activity!

The GmailTeX one got "migrated" from MathOverflow: mathoverflow.net/questions/104385/…

Paulo Cereda

I'm enjoying reading the comments from blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/08/… . I wish I had some popcorn too. :)

Andrew Stacey

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Q: Is there any way to type LaTeX code directly into the text boxes Inkscape?

I use Inkscape on Windows 7 platform. The principle to enter integrals and other mathematical symbols in Inkscape seems that the best thing to do and write them in a LaTeX compiler and cut them in Adobe PDF and paste it into Inkscape as figures. Seems to be how you make pictures like this in In...

graphics diagrams

Off-topic?

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey Certainly on the borderline

Marco Daniel

@JosephWright Why? There is now question about "How do I typeset integrals?". I think OT.

Paulo Cereda

10:23 AM

@MarcoDaniel Is "Integrals are evil, avoid them." a valid answer? :)

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda LOL

percusse

@AndrewStacey I think it's yet another case of Correlation does not imply causation.

@PauloCereda I'm still laughing at one of the nicknames: StackThis

Paulo Cereda

@percusse LOL

Andrew Stacey

@percusse I don't even accept the correlation! There are too many other factors that could be at work which really haven't been taken into account. Saying "All those average out" (as seems to be being done here) is hogwash.

@PauloCereda Oooph! Definitely a horror movie. Nice to see that one of the high-reps (possibly even a mod) has finally realised that Asking good questions is hard. Not a huge step to Getting good questions is important for a Q&A site.

percusse

10:38 AM

@AndrewStacey True but you don't need causality to get a correlation. Anything goes with the data (which is the basis for there are lies, damned lies, and statistics proverb family).

Paulo Cereda

@AndrewStacey Indeed. :) I'm eagerly looking forward to reading your (and @Joseph's) blog post.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Perhaps later today: I have to do some work too :-)

Andrew Stacey

@percusse Of course, statistics never has anything to say about causality - you need a mechanism for that and there's no mention of one beyond some waffle about "gravitas" (or "starchiness"!).

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Stats are accurate. 75% knows that. :D

@JosephWright Oh no! <3

@Joseph: in other news, how can I volunteer myself and offer Bruno some help on the testing stuff? :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Well of course: did you see Frank's reply?

Andrew Stacey

10:41 AM

@PauloCereda My hypothesis: those who had it presented in a "better" typeface actually read the paragraph and so came to the same conclusion as me that the question was an "If ... then ...", in which case the conclusion is correct. Those who saw it in Comic Sans immediately smelled a rat and said "The website author is setting me up, I'm not going to fall for it.".

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh, not yet. My list setting is configured to a digest at the end of the day.

Andrew Stacey

Ooops, that was meant for @percusse

Paulo Cereda

I'm gonna change that right now.

percusse

@AndrewStacey I completely agree. The reason for my comment is that I think the author started from the hypothesis or the hunch : man, these fonts definitely affect something! then worked backwards to justify the claim. Of course statistics helps the ignorant on a normal day.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: I can't find my login area. :P

percusse

10:48 AM

My colleague has these on the door (working on stochastic stuff) :
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

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Paulo Cereda

@percusse LOL

Patrick Gundlach

@AndrewStacey I have to admit that I didn't spend so much time on the article. But I find the question interesting about "does a font choice / design choice influce the way you think about the article". IMO the outcome is not that important, the question is.

Andrew Stacey

@PatrickGundlach Oh, absolutely! I completely agree that the underlying question is interesting. It's just the rest of the articles are mere fluff.

Patrick Gundlach

... I sometimes hear stories of "my teacher gave me a good grade because I've used TeX and the homework looks so nice". Is it a deliberate decision? Or more a decision: "that looks good, the student must have spent hours on the homework, so it must be good"?

Andrew Stacey

@PatrickGundlach I'd go for: "The student actually did spend some time on making it look nice which also meant that it read well and so it was easier to follow the argument.".

Patrick Gundlach

11:00 AM

@AndrewStacey Or perhaps, I give a good grade if the student spends at least "some time" on the homework :)

Andrew Stacey

As a mathematician, I'm not grading an answer based on "Does this answer convince me that the result is true?" If I set the question, I already know whether or not the result is true (I hope!). I'm grading it based on "Does this answer convince me that the student knows that the result is true."

So a nice, clear text where it is easy to follow the line of argument and see exactly what the student does or doesn't know will get a higher grade than a scrambled mess of disorganised handwriting.

But because it deserves a higher grade, not because it looks nicer.

I start writing my articles around about the time that I start thinking about a problem. Not because it saves time writing - it doesn't! The amount of deleted stuff is enormous - but because it helps me see how the argument is progressing. So the cause is "Writing in TeX => better work => better grade". Thus we can conclude "Writing in TeX => better grade" but without that middle step, the causality is all wrong.

Patrick Gundlach

My son starts with school on monday (1st year), I wonder how long it will take him to learn LaTeX. No, I won't start with plain TeX.

Andrew Stacey

@PatrickGundlach I'm wondering the same. At some point in the next few years, my kids are going to start handing in typed essays. Having also seen some of the horrors produced by word processors, I'm wondering at what point TeX is acceptable.

(They already know that they'll be using a Linux machine to do their homework ...)

I wonder ... how kid-friendly is LyX?

Patrick Gundlach

@AndrewStacey interesting question! I thought about using TeXmaker... :)

Andrew Stacey

@PatrickGundlach Never tried it - what OS does it run on?

Patrick Gundlach

11:09 AM

@AndrewStacey I think its pretty much cross platform, but it's a regular TeX "IDE"

so you still have to deal with backslashes and curly braces

Stephan Lehmke

@AndrewStacey If you want to do THE RIGHT THING typography-wise, why not also editor-wise? Use emacs.

Psachnodaimonia

Can somebody tell me how I can find out what the full height and depth of a line of 10pt text is?

Stephan Lehmke

For children it's just one more thing they're learning. Mine are also not complaining that german is an especially hard language to learn ;-)

Andrew Stacey

@StephanLehmke I'd certainly consider it. The difficulty might be when they ask for help from anyone other than me!

David Carlisle

@PatrickGundlach probably he'll start with tikz-from-context and leave latex to his old man...

Patrick Gundlach

11:16 AM

@StephanLehmke I hope you're joking

Look Ma, this man can twist his fingers as if they were made of rubber,
isn't that amazing? -- Not really, he's been using emacs for years...!

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David Carlisle

@Psachnodaimonia what do you mean by height and/or depth? The maximum ascender and descender in that line? or the distance to the next line of text (which is baselineskip)

Psachnodaimonia

the maximum ascender and descender before latex starts adding extra space

Stephan Lehmke

@PatrickGundlach Well I'm not talking elementary school here. I don't see the point of TeX at all for this age.

David Carlisle

@Psachnodaimonia well that's quite hard to get at in TeX (as you don't get access to the lines after paragraph breaking. If you use \showoutput then you see all the sizes in the log. But usually you just need height and depth of strutbox which is big enough for all standard letters at that size.

Patrick Gundlach

@StephanLehmke Me neither. I was just wondering how long it will take. And starting with emacs, well, glad its just a matter of taste.

Stephan Lehmke

11:22 AM

@PatrickGundlach You'd wonder how little key combinations I'm using with emacs. Still I think it's the most convenient for TeX by far.

Patrick Gundlach

(BTW: elementary school is 6 years here in Berlin ...)

Psachnodaimonia

@DavidCarlisle thanks.

Stephan Lehmke

@PatrickGundlach My wife wrote her bachelors thesis (on social education) with emacs (first timer). No problems at all.

David Carlisle

@StephanLehmke hopefully she was older than 5 when you married her though?

Stephan Lehmke

@PatrickGundlach Yea, whatever. I really think a pointy-klicky application like lowriter is good for most things in school. So the need for TeX really arises for larger things after say grade 9.

@DavidCarlisle But she sure doesn't grok computers as well as the kids do ;-)

Patrick Gundlach

11:36 AM

@DavidCarlisle no he starts coding in TEI, so he can build a huge library of "my homework in the last n years" :-)

And after that, he uses XMLTeX for typesetting

David Carlisle

@PatrickGundlach he'll grow up to be Sebastian Rahtz in other words...

ye! more undocumented features in my packages....

Thanks. I could not see that \twocolumn did not work in minipage because it only works for the first column. If my text is long enough it exceeds the bottom of the page instead of going to the second column. And column widths of the next portrait oriented pages are destroyed. — Harun3d 20 mins ago

Patrick Gundlach

@DavidCarlisle he doesn't have SPQR's cool initials :)

Paulo Cereda

11:50 AM

Teach your kid Vim. It will be good. :)

Marco Daniel

12:17 PM

Does anyone understand this question?

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Q: How to write right aligned dynamic mdframed?

I am working on mdframed but for that i need to provide width minipage and then i can use mdframed inside it. For that i need to predefine the mdframed size using minipage. \begin{minipage}{0.2\linewidth} \includegraphics[width=0.9\linewidth]{logo} \end{minipage} \begin{minipage}...

align mdframed

N3buchadnezzar

12:28 PM

Oh hi

@MarcoDaniel The OP wants his text to be right alligned or something ?

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel I think he wants a rounded box around a single line box of natural width so probably some sort of tikz box thing around \mbox and not mdframed at all

Marco Daniel

@DavidCarlisle In this case your are right.

@N3buchadnezzar @DavidCarlisle Thanks

@DavidCarlisle: Something like this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/48734/…

N3buchadnezzar

I think the English only policy is sometimes taken too far.

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel yes plus pushing the whole box to the right with flushright or something. I think:-)

Joseph Wright

@N3buchadnezzar In the case of the question @MarcoDaniel has linked, the OP is from the far East, so we'd possibly have an issue translating a question in their native language

N3buchadnezzar

12:41 PM

Well let us say he receives a great answer in English, but can not understand the answer what then?

Or even worse if he was from china, where Google translate and similar sites is blocked.

Joseph Wright

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Q: How to insert characters with special meaning into a document

I was trying to add the symbol ^ in the document and getting error. How could I do that \documentclass{article} \begin{document} Hello world \^ \end{document} I need to add \,$... to document

symbols pdftex

We must have had this before, surely

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I assume so, and it got 5 answers, the most wrong one being accepted:-)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: email sent to the list. :)

Uh-oh, why no confirmation so far?

Did my message arrived?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Not at present, but it can be quite slow

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Uh-oh. :P

Marco Daniel

12:57 PM

@JosephWright Where do you know this from?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: It arrived! :D

Harish Kumar

@PauloCereda: Sending a mail to you now.

Joseph Wright

@MarcoDaniel Mod-only info

Paulo Cereda

@HarishKumar :)

@MarcoDaniel Superpowers. :P

Joseph Wright

@MarcoDaniel I think saying 'far East' is a legitimate use of this data

Marco Daniel

1:01 PM

@JosephWright Maybe he will write a comment. Should we write something like you can write in your first languague if you have any problems.

Harish Kumar

@PauloCereda: sent.

Paulo Cereda

@HarishKumar Thanks. :) Replied. :)

Harish Kumar

@PauloCereda: Thanks. Pl. edit those things to suit your style.

Paulo Cereda

@HarishKumar Thanks. :) I'll see how the manual organization will look like. :)

Harish Kumar

@PauloCereda: Sure. :)

Joseph Wright

1:14 PM

@PauloCereda Have you taken a look at how the test suite works for LaTeX3? It's all pretty straight-forward: basically a log comparison

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Ah yes, it's very intuitive. :) I think we can "spice things up" a little too. :)

Andrew Stacey

1:36 PM

Concerning:

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Q: How to remove a single section from the header of a beamer presentation?

I am using Beamer with the Warsaw theme, and all sections show up in my headline. Is there an easy way to remove them? I have tried using \section*{My section} and this removed them from the TOC, however the trick doesn't apply for the headline. Thank you for your help, Tunnuz

beamer

and

2

Q: LaTeX Beamer: Frame outside sections?

At the end of a Beamer presentation, I want a "Thank you for your attention"-slide that is not part of the sections in my presentation. More specifically, I want no section in the navigation bar to be highlighted when I am on that slide. So is there a way to end a section, such that the following...

beamer sectioning

I recommend that the first be closed as a duplicate of the second. Any disagreements?

Marco Daniel

1:49 PM

@PauloCereda: Your first mail at L3

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel :)

"from a lovely high level interface to an obscure undocumented feature..." << a homage to @DavidCarlisle :)

tohecz

2:07 PM

@AndrewStacey Agreed, mostly because the second one is more elaborate.

percusse

@AndrewStacey +1

Andrew Stacey

@tohecz That, and that the questioner of the second is registered whereas the first is not.

Paulo Cereda

A tiny iPhoto update with 1.2GB. Yay!

tohecz

2:26 PM

@AndrewStacey yep, exactly

Joseph Wright

0

Q: Using microtype letterspacing with LuaTeX, Version beta-0.70.2-2012062812

Does the letterspacing (and tracking) options of microtype not work with the latest version of LuaTeX? When I try: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[no-math]{fontspec} \fontspec[SmallCapsFont={LinLibertineCapitalsO}, SmallCapsFeatures={Letters=SmallCaps}]{Linux Libertine O} \usepack...

luatex microtype letterspacing

Not sure what to say here: the warning seems reasonably clear

tohecz

@JosephWright I'm tempted to use my level of sarcasm and answer it ...

Andrew Stacey

@tohecz Ah, but that incurs a 2 point penalty in TeX-SX's "friendly" ranking.

tohecz

@AndrewStacey I guess I would risk that. But I better only commented on the question...

percusse

3:05 PM

Does anyone have any experience with biber functionality suddenly stopping ? I vaguely remember something related to it here.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Do you have the error log?

Sometimes we need to remove the temp folder.

percusse

LaTeX Font Warning: Some font shapes were not available, defaults substituted.


LaTeX Warning: There were undefined references.


Package biblatex Warning: Please (re)run Biber on the file:
(biblatex)                thesis
(biblatex)                and rerun LaTeX afterwards.

I only have this but now I'm deleting the garbage...

Paulo Cereda

Ah sometimes it's good to clean the temp stuff. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda Nope, it's broken. Man, who knows what I did while cleaning the draft :)

Paulo Cereda

3:23 PM

@percusse Oh. :)

Andrew Stacey

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A: eforms puts out "0 0 0"

the problem is fixed already (ok, its more like a workaround), just tried out hyperref and TeX Live 2013 and this works too with evince. So it would be nice if you would close this. ... going to register on this site, I really like it ... even though it's a bit too complex / too much blinking a...

Interesting closing remark there

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey Not sure where the blinking is

percusse

3:41 PM

@JosephWright One more vote needed for that question.

Joseph Wright

4:44 PM

@PauloCereda, @AndrewStacey I've added a draft blog post. Feedback welcome.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Cool! I'll take a look right now! :)

@JosephWright: looks very nice to me. :)

Joseph Wright

5:18 PM

@PauloCereda Great: I'll wait for @AndrewStacey's thoughts before I publish

Marco Daniel

I am crying here. I can't understand why the following setting fails

\def\bottomfraction{0}
\def\topfraction{0}
\setcounter{totalnumber}{1}
\setcounter{topnumber}{1}

I expect that only one figure can be on a single page.

David Carlisle

5:40 PM

@MarcoDaniel yes but only h floats allowed since you have closed the top and bottom areas?

Marco Daniel

@DavidCarlisle I used begin{figure}[!h] and the settings above.

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel well if you use ! the settings are ignored

Paulo Cereda

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Q: Arara problem with xelatexmk rule

After many tests in Mac OS X and Ubuntu, I haven't been able to run arara with Brent Longborough's xelatexmk.yalm rule. No matter what I do, arara seems to run latexmk with pdflatex, not with xelatex. I've discussed the issue with Brent, who kindly gave me the assistance he could, but to no avail...

latexmk

HOLY COW!

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Cool

Will you answer?

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel and re-tag it to arara :-)

Marco Daniel

5:43 PM

@DavidCarlisle The first question with this tag

@DavidCarlisle It works

Of course with limitations

David Carlisle

@MarcoDaniel what works, setting parameters then ignoring them? I'm confused:-)

Marco Daniel

@DavidCarlisle Please wait 5 minutes and I will answer this question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/66066/…

David Carlisle

:-)

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Could you try that example? It works for me.

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda I will test.

@PauloCereda It fails because latexmk isn't using xelatex

Paulo Cereda

5:50 PM

@MarcoDaniel It works for me in Windows. Maybe the double quotes are the ones to blame.

latexmk -e "$pdflatex=q/xelatex   --synctex=1  %O %S/"  -pdf xelatex01.tex

This is the expansion. We need to make it work under Linux.

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda quotes are missing

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Hm?

percusse

First {tag:arara} question and nobody can upvote it ? ehehe

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Sorry my mistake. But I am sure we will find the solution ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Single quotes instead of double quotes in the rule.

@MarcoDaniel: could you check if they work for you?

Marco Daniel

5:59 PM

@PauloCereda Fails too

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Leave them to me then. :)

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda I found the error

Tjos works: command: 'latexmk -e "$pdflatex=q/xelatex/" @{ist} -pdf @{file}.tex'

Marco Daniel

6:18 PM

@PauloCereda: The problem are the spaces and the option synctex:

!config
# LaTeXmk with XeLaTeX rule for arara
# author: Brent Longborough
# last edited by: Brent Longborough
# made to work by: Paulo Cereda
identifier: xelatexmk
name: XeLaTeXmK
command: 'latexmk -e "$pdflatex=q/xelatex@{ action == "" ?  "" : "--interaction=" + action }@{shell}@{expandoptions}%O%S/" @{ist} -pdf @{file}.tex'
arguments:
- identifier: action
  flag: '@{value}'
- identifier: shell
  flag: '@{value.toLowerCase() == "yes" || value.toLowerCase() == "true" || value.toLowerCase() == "on" ? "--shell-escape" : "--no-shell-escape" }'

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Really?!

Marco Daniel

The rule works if:
1. all spaces are removed
2. no option is given with `--`.

I removed my answer, so that you can test it: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/66684/…

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel You are right. :)

@MarcoDaniel: I have no 10k yet, so deleted answers are still invisible to me. :)

Marco Daniel

6:34 PM

@PauloCereda :-(

@DavidCarlisle: here the result: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/66066/…

Paulo Cereda

My thoughts: arara is not the one to blame (entirely) in this one. The expansion is being done correctly, the problem relies on the replacement code that is submitted to the PErl interpreter. A simple rule might work, so we should recommend that.

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Based on arara rules there is no need for such a latexmk rule ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Don't tell anyone. :P

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda LOL -- It's the truth.

@PauloCereda Do you know a Unix command to create write something to a file. I am thinking of something like:

command: ' write latexmksetup && run latexmk'

Paulo Cereda

@Marco: I suggest you to revive your answer, add a simple rule:

!config
# Simple LaTeXmk with XeLaTeX rule for arara
# author: Marco Daniel
identifier: xelatexmk
name: XeLaTeXmK
command: 'latexmk -e "$pdflatex=q/xelatex%O%S/" -pdf @{file}.tex'
arguments: []

Marco Daniel

6:39 PM

@PauloCereda I will do this but I want to find a solution

Paulo Cereda

And tell that the expansion is being done correctly by arara, the tricky part relies on the replacement code that is submitted to the Perl interpreter via -e flag for latexmk. A simple rule might work for now, while we try to figure out other ideas. :)

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Done

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel Danke. :)

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Bitte ;-) -- I found the reason why latexmk works with windows -- I will add it. Run texdoc latexmk and see page 5 (top)

@PauloCereda: Done

Costi

7:20 PM

Hi. Just a question.

do you guys work ON latex?

I mean: is this your job? or just a passion?

Marco Daniel

@Costi For me: Passion ;-). Axel Sommerfeld wrote \expandafter\spendtimewithwifeandcats\writelatexpackage

Paulo Cereda

@Costi Passion/Madness. :)

Costi

I can tell! :D

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel: I was suspecting of the system execution, but apparently it might be some Perl related issues when called from a subsystem.

Costi

well, that's good. so I can get some help.

but only after I learn how to give a MWE... :(

Paulo Cereda

7:25 PM

@MarcoDaniel: echo <latexmk stuff> | latexmk - maybe this works?

Costi

sorry I am interrupting your high level discussion -- I will leave. Ciao!

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda I tried this

command: 'echo "$pdflatex=q/xelatex @{ action == "" ?  "" : "--interaction=" + action  } @{shell} @{ synctex == "" ? "--synctex=1" : synctex } @{expandoptions} %O %S/" > latexmkrc'

This is the log:

10 Aug 2012 21:28:39.068 TRACE CommandTrigger - Command: echo "$pdflatex=q/xelatex   --synctex=1  %O %S/" > latexmkrc
10 Aug 2012 21:28:39.079 TRACE CommandTrigger - Output logging: "$pdflatex=q/xelatex   --synctex=1  %O %S/" > latexmkrc

Paulo Cereda

@MarcoDaniel This created a latexmkrc file?

Marco Daniel

@PauloCereda Unfortunately no

Marco Daniel

7:42 PM

@PauloCereda It seems that the operator > is the problem.

I tried command: 'ls > testfile.txt'. but it fails

Kannappan Sampath

7:58 PM

Yay! A Silver Badge for a nice reason. :)

N3buchadnezzar

sup ?

Marco Daniel

@KannappanSampath Every badge has a nice reason

Kannappan Sampath

Well, yeah. But, some are stupid no?

for instance, citizen patrol or some such...

It is routine in my opinion.

Marco Daniel

@KannappanSampath It increases the motivation for patrolling. It's the first step to become a marshal ;-)

But of course some silver badges or gold badges have different difficulties.

N3buchadnezzar

8:13 PM

Some gold badges should be labeled "Arturo only".

Kannappan Sampath

Hah!

But, sort off sad that he left the site.

Wanna see a .sty file I use @N3buchadnezzar?

N3buchadnezzar

Sure pastebin it =)

@KannappanSampath Did he leave? Why?

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar I don't know but his user page reads so,

N3buchadnezzar

I saw

Kannappan Sampath

And, TeX -- .sty file here

Brent.Longborough

8:21 PM

@MarcoDaniel Is Dwalsh's arara problem simply the extra spaces in the command?

N3buchadnezzar

Heh, you sure like to shorten things.

I did that too a period, then stopped.

Marco Daniel

@Brent.Longborough No. You can remove the space and the orb tag synctex and it will work.

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar But this sort of comfy!

N3buchadnezzar

@KannappanSampath ^^ You have already seen my sty file

\setlength{\parindent}{0in}
\makeatletter
\g@addto@macro\@floatboxreset\centering
\makeatother

<3<3<3

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar yeah I have! That was having some hi-fi techie stuffs!

Brent.Longborough

8:26 PM

@MarcoDaniel But then shell or ist will break it again, won't they? I've just refactored all the spacing and sent it off to Dwalsh to try for me

N3buchadnezzar

@KannappanSampath This ensures that every figure is centered and no indents for new paragraphs.

Marco Daniel

@Brent.Longborough I didn't try makeindex. I can do this.

Kannappan Sampath

@N3buchadnezzar I guess you're a real mathematician!

Brent.Longborough

@MarcoDaniel Would you like to try this: pastebin.com/FZEMRWRF ?

Try it on a case where you know the old rule breaks it

N3buchadnezzar

@KannappanSampath nooooo

I am stupid..

Andrew Stacey

8:37 PM

@JosephWright @PauloCereda Looks good to me. Pretty orthogonal to what I'm thinking of writing so I'll carry on with mine. I corrected a typo or two.

N3buchadnezzar

Damn no smart people with pgfplots in chat =(

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey Thanks. In that case I'll publish

@N3buchadnezzar What's up with pgfplots?

Jake

@N3buchadnezzar I am =)

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey I was thinking of a 'theory of moderation' post too

@AndrewStacey So when will your post be ready?

N3buchadnezzar

@Jake Oh! Hi

@JosephWright I suddenl have some problems with the functionallines sty. you wrote me a few months ago

The zeros are off center for some reason..

Marco Daniel

8:43 PM

@Brent.Longborough: Your file doesn't work. You have to remove some space before %S and %O and you have to remove @{ synctex == "" ? " --synctex=1" : synctex }.

Joseph Wright

@N3buchadnezzar Will need to see code :-)

Marco Daniel

This is my test file

% arara: xelatexmk
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xltxtra}
\usepackage{makeidx}
\makeindex
\begin{document}
   Testing
\index{foo}

\printindex
\end{document}

N3buchadnezzar

@JosephWright pastebin.com/jukA3RNi

Marco Daniel

And here the resulting yaml-file

Joseph Wright

@N3buchadnezzar Your issue with the comment business is leading to quite a lot of enquiry by the TeX Live people

N3buchadnezzar

8:44 PM

Of course, I was just uploading it.

Marco Daniel

!config
# LaTeXmk with XeLaTeX rule for arara
# author: Brent Longborough
# last edited by: Brent Longborough
# made to work by: Paulo Cereda
identifier: xelatexmk
name: XeLaTeXmKFixed
command: 'latexmk -e "$pdflatex=q/xelatex@{ action == "" ?  "" : " --interaction=" + action  }@{shell}@{expandoptions}%O%S/" @{ist} -pdf @{file}.tex'
arguments:
- identifier: action
  flag: '@{value}'
- identifier: shell
  flag: '@{value.toLowerCase() == "yes" || value.toLowerCase() == "true" || value.toLowerCase() == "on" ? " --shell-escape" : " --no-shell-escape" }'

N3buchadnezzar

@JosephWright Oh?

Glad to have helped them iron out any bugs then

Joseph Wright

@N3buchadnezzar There seem to be some very odd things in the way the Windows binaries have been compiled. I'm just getting the CC'd e-mails: I'm not really contributing.

N3buchadnezzar

Or at least spot one of them.

Jake

@N3buchadnezzar Yeah, I noticed that. I've added a comment the code on 11 June 2012 explaining that the bug that made the use of \hspace necessary before has been fixed, and you can (and should) now remove the \hspace.

N3buchadnezzar

8:47 PM

@Jake Heh it was even commented in the code!

@Jake Perfect thanks!

Brent.Longborough

@MarcoDaniel Hmm - I gurdd I don't really understand how it all fits together, then, 'cos the synctex stuff should disappear with leaving any extra space

Marco Daniel

@Brent.Longborough The space of synctex isn't the problem. latexmk is written in perl and the argument of the flag -e must be given in single quotes on Unix systems. This isn't possible because the single quote is needed by the line: command: ---- .

Brent.Longborough

@MarcoDaniel Ah, OK, so its a Perl thing, then? We need to fix this, maybe with an escape character...

Marco Daniel

That's the reason I tried to write a single config file with the given options. But it fails too.

@Brent.Longborough It's really perl related.

The writing fails ;-)

Brent.Longborough

What we need is an alternative to ' quotes in arara

Marco Daniel

8:54 PM

@Brent.Longborough Yes. And it's the first time that something works in Windows and not with Unix.

And we know who is guilty: @PauloCereda

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle numdef is certainly interesting

Brent.Longborough

@MarcoDaniel OK, I think I can go to bed now, my brain is hurting. I'll moan at Paulo later

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I knew I'd written something but it took a few tries with google to find it:-) see also groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!msg/comp.text.tex/…

@JosephWright I think the best bit is the JANET email address, not seen one of those for a while.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

Marco Daniel

@Brent.Longborough Good night. Maybe tomorrow we will be cleverer.

Brent.Longborough

9:01 PM

@MarcoDaniel LOL, probably not me

Goodnight

percusse

10:58 PM

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