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12:00 AM
@AlanMunn Very nice indeed. :)
 
@AlanMunn I like the Java part... with a similar but less extreme result.... Because it eats the computational overhead by consistently stalling the execution :)
Why oh why MATLAB had to be coded in Java?
 
@percusse Ha ha. Yes, that's true. I'm really impressed with what these compilers are doing, though.
 
@AlanMunn It's black magic wrapped around with scientific justification.
I have a friend who works at Intel. He told me that the microprocessors are initially identical. However they just break the wafer into smaller pieces to make the less expensive models. That's just the 21st century science I was expecting :)
Here is another on for you, maybe you know the answer
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Q: Are there names for referring to the top or bottom numbers in a time signature?

nunosIn a time signature of 3/4 (three by four), what is the name given to the 3 and the 4? I know it in my own language, but can't find the answer for the English equivalent.

 
12:21 AM
@percusse I actually don't. I don't recall ever having been taught names for them. There may be some technical music theory term, but I've never studied music theory formally.
And now I see that that's what the accepted answer basically says too.
@JasperLoy Thanks for your comment about delicious plots, but are you sure it was correctly aimed at me?
 
12:38 AM
@percusse Believe me, I knew Java from its early days. You have no idea of suffering. :P
 
@PauloCereda Curious case of Start Button
 
@percusse :)
 
Started as a grumpy old man still is...
 
@percusse: Java from 1.2 was simply obnoxious. I had to work with it, but it was a PITA. :)
 
@PauloCereda I don't get what is fixed with those Java updates almost every week.
 
12:41 AM
@AlanMunn "Compilers" was one of my favorite subjects. There are some clever implementations that literally make wonders.
@percusse Neither do I. :)
 
@PauloCereda Is there any tracker in place for texdoc, say Google Analytics? I wonder about the traffic stats. Is it becoming a hit like CTAN?
 
@PauloCereda Yes, the compiler design course really brings together almost all of the fundamentals of CS. I left CS in university before taking one, though.
 
@percusse You mean Stefan's site? :)
 
@PauloCereda Yep
 
@AlanMunn Really? You can still try computational linguistic. :)
@percusse I think Stefan has statistical data about it, since he runs its own server. :) We can ask him. :)
 
12:49 AM
@PauloCereda Aye, I thought it's a two man show ;)
 
@PauloCereda No. Ultimately I decided that problems of the natural world are harder and more interesting than those of CS. Most computational linguistics is heavily statistically based NLP, which is completely uninteresting if you're interested in how humans do language.
 
@AlanMunn Ah yes, I've seen a few works-in-progress from colleagues of mine in NLP. The main goal for them is to provide a computational model for a certain language, but not how language is used. :)
 
@PauloCereda NLP is to understanding language is what Deep Blue is to understanding how people play chess.
@PauloCereda There was a paper in the late 80s from Bell Labs entitled "With friends like statistics, who needs linguistics".
 
@Alan: Sadly, what I see from my last interactions with research groups is that theory is losing adepts. There's a strong trend here of practical CS. Trivia: sadly, "compilers" is being deprecated in a lot of CS courses. The only place in Brazil I know "compilers" is still strong is PUC-Rio. No wonder why Lua is a child of them. :)
@AlanMunn Poor Kasparov. :P
@AlanMunn LOL
 
@PauloCereda What's ironic and sad about that fact is that Lua is highly practical in reality, yet without that kind of basic research such practicality wouldn't have arisen.
 
12:59 AM
@AlanMunn So true.
 
@PauloCereda That's simply because of the snobbish attitude of the late researchers. Leaving the difficult parts as exercises and all that jazz about theoretical guarantees ....
People had enough of them.
They are trying to keep the self sustained credibility and it simply doesn't work in real life. That's why you see that the journals are losing prestige and people are simply blogging their stuff and coming together on forums etc.
 
@PauloCereda This is also happening in medical research to. The National Institutes of Health (which is by orders of magnitude the largest research funder in the U.S. (and probably the world) used to fund lots of basic research, but now unless you have a direct clinical application it's very hard to get funding. This has cut off a lot of opportunity for our research funding, since we work with typically developing children and not with any language pathologies.
 
@percusse One of the things that bothers me is the lack of consistency from some researchers. I remember one keynote I watched from a very famous researcher and he said library, framework, toolkit, system, model, paradigm and component for the same object in less than 5 minutes.
@AlanMunn That's very sad. :( I suffered a lot to get some publications; most conferences I submitted a paper were expecting a direct application, not an abstract model.
 
@PauloCereda That's a common theme all around the world. Since the work is now worthless everybody is trying to wrap up an advertorial about their lab, dept etc. in 30 mins. I'm talking about robotics in particular. So many crazy mathematical framework but in the end the robot needs a power central to do a trivial stuff. So people started to loose confidence on people's publish or perish based results.
Hence, the only customers you are left with are your colleagues.
 
@percusse But surely the current trend isn't good either.
 
1:13 AM
@AlanMunn Indeed the whole system is evolving to something better but we have to hit the rock bottom first apparently.
 
I'm still stuck, knocking my head on doors looking for some TCS doctoral program. "TCS? I'm sorry, we don't follow theory here". :(
 
@percusse Maybe so. That's a sad thought, though.
 
@AlanMunn This resonates with me well
 
@PauloCereda There was a joke about MIT: Massachusetts Institute of Theory. Also it was claimed that Johns Hopkins CS grads didn't even know how to turn on a computer. On the other hand, I heard a talk once from a Carnegie Mellon guy who read lisp code during his talk...
@percusse Yes, absolutely. I'm on the editorial board of one open access journal, which because it has good editors, high quality submissions and we're a small field, is quickly being taken seriously as a real journal.
 
@AlanMunn Oh my! :) My favorite professor, which is also a great friend, every time we go for a coffee, he doesn't say, "I want a table with napkins", but "I want a table with drafts". :P
 
1:18 AM
The other disgusting part of the journal business is that we do all the real work (peer review) for free.
An even more radical journal model is crowd sourced journals. This is more controversial, though.
 
@AlanMunn I never heard of those. How do they work?
 
@PauloCereda It's kind of like a wiki, I think. We don't have any in our field, so I've only read about them. People post a draft and then everyone pitches in with a mixture of peer review and revision. I'll see if I can find a better description somewhere. I recall them being discussed in economics or political science, maybe. (Which may say something in itself...)
 
@AlanMunn Wow, sounds chaotic to me. :)
 
@AlanMunn An unusual method. :)
 
1:32 AM
@PauloCereda It might be more suited to some areas than others, I suspect. History in particular seems a bit more amenable to the idea than more hypothesis driven science.
 
@PauloCereda Did you ever look at Mercury? They even have termination analysis ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke Really?! I will take a look! :)
 
@PauloCereda It's one really picky compiler. There is a saying if it compiles, it will also run...
I'm happy the project is still alive. I haven't looked at the page for at least 5 years.
Normally my favourite "unusual" programming language is Mozart, but that's less focused on the compiler and mor on the runtime environment.
 
1:50 AM
@StephanLehmke How nice!
 
Unfortunately there's an air of decay about the site (Mozart I mean). The intro book is absolutely great. I had really hoped it would take off.
 
The documentation seems very straightforward.
 
@PauloCereda Made with pdfTeX, of course ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke Best part. :P
 
@AlanMunn Sorry I had to catch a mice :) They are drilling the street and suddenly the whole 5-storey apartment is complaining about them.
I hate killing animals but they have to help me a little
 
2:08 AM
@PauloCereda This is really sad to hear. Though I got the impression that a lot of states (including the US) are taking CS in a very practical way. Too much money in there...
@PauloCereda Did it ever occur to you to go to another continent for PhD? Some european states have strong TCS research programmes and most of them (Germany at least ;-) should be actively inviting strong foreign PhD students.
 
@StephanLehmke Netherlands too.
 
@StephanLehmke That's true. The lab next door to mine was in charge of a system for the upcoming Brazilian Digital TV. It was a group of labs in several universities working together. All of them were financed by the government. The amount of money they received to equip their labs was huge, and no real work wasn't being done. The project is in short a fallacy. Nobody works decently, they get a nice monetary fund, and at the end of the day they blame the hardware limitation for a poor implementation.
 
@StephanLehmke I'm not sure I have the guts for such big step - I get lost in my own house. :) And I don't have too much contacts nowadays, which could give me a real chance of applying for a doctoral program.
 
@PauloCereda Well publications should come first, and with them come contacts.
 
2:20 AM
@PauloCereda Yes you do.You can survive in Rio so this is much easier. :)
 
@percusse Nice reference. :)
@percusse São Paulo. :P
@StephanLehmke Ah yes. :)
 
@PauloCereda The effect gets saturated after 5 million.
 
@StephanLehmke I'm sure there still are good theoretical CS schools in the US too, although you may be right about the trend. But I think MIT, Berkeley, Stanford, CMU, Cornell are still doing theoretical CS.
 
@percusse LOL
 
@PauloCereda Is your first degree from USP or UNICAMP? (or somewhere else?)
 
2:23 AM
@AlanMunn Somewhere else. :) UFSCar.
@AlanMunn I know some guys from CMU which do a splendid research, at least in IA.
 
@AlanMunn Yes I'm sure my personal view is biased. I left University probably too early to get a really general overview. But in the field I was in, the real basic research was mostly done in europe.
 
Do you know of the moral dilemma question:
Version 1: There's a runaway train that is going to kill 5 people. You can pull a lever that diverts it, in which case the train will kill another person. Do you pull the lever?

Version 2: There's a runaway train that is going to kill 5 people. If you push another person in front of the train you will stop the train and save the 5. Do you push the person in front of the train?
After you decide, I'll relate it to mice, I promise.
 
@AlanMunn Which one is closer the lever or the person to be pushed?
 
@percusse No, they're two different situations.
 
2:33 AM
@AlanMunn But the outcome is the same. poor person dies
 
@percusse Right. So would you behave the same way in either one?
 
@AlanMunn Ooh, that's a tough one. Depends on my adrenalin and who I'm pushing. I might chicken out too.
So I might freeze and watch 5 people die.
 
Let's start with "random person you don't know". (Obviously the choice becomes tougher as you are more closely connected to the person.)
Others are welcome to answer too :)
 
@AlanMunn Anyway, I think I'm destroying your storyline, I'll go with the lever one as it seems a little more realistic.
But do I know that the person would die before I pull the lever?
 
@percusse Yes.
 
2:40 AM
@AlanMunn Dammit! They should invest more in maintanence of these trains. OK then I take it back. Morally I can't do anything and probably stare at the catastrophe. I don't think I can handle the thought of being a killer.
Even for good purposes.
 
Ok. You're not alone in that stance. Of course it raises the question of whether you are morally culpable for the 4 extra people who died.
 
@AlanMunn But it gets more twisted if the cause of the runaway train was me.
Because now I have the option to abort the guilt trip by saying I might not be there and they would be killed anyway.
 
But the fact is, when you ask this question to lots and lots of people, there are some like you who take an absolute moral "I won't kill anyone" stance, and others who take a kind of utilitarian stance, and will kill the one person. But the interesting fact is that there are many people who split on the two scenarios: they will pull the lever, but won't push the person in front of the train. So to them direct vs. indirect causation is a big part of their moral calculation.
I think I'm in that group, and I came face to face with the reality of it when I had some mice to kill in my house. I had no problems setting the mouse traps and throwing away the dead mice with their nicely broken necks. But every once in a while, a mouse would still be alive although caught in the trap. I would then have to actually kill the mouse, and this gave me qualms.
@percusse Right. There are many variants that you can think of.
 
@AlanMunn I see your point. But thinking about it,
there must be some kind of a truth in what you are doing. Mouse trap is a little too irrelevant since it's a nuisance, I'm sure when you have to you can kill a mice like you can do with a mosquito.
 
@percusse Oh sure, I killed the mice, but the feeling I had actually drowning it was very different from the non-feeling I had setting the trap, even though the outcome would be the same.
 
2:51 AM
I imagine a scenario where one pulls the lever with tears in his/her eyes and that's more repugnant than actually pushing someone and facing the consequences.
Almost a fake guilt since the only thing you have to forget is the lever, not the memory of a person going under a train.
so I don't think mouse trap is a good analogy since I almost get happy to get rid of that problem. Because I can even sit and watch the mice gets killed by the trap.
I see it as a tool I guess or a technology to kill.
And that is my purpose at the outset.
 
@percusse Well for me it was pretty real. Setting the traps had no effect on me, but physically killing the mouse was a lot weirder.
 
@AlanMunn Ah, tell me about it. It's good that my girlfriend was not home. She would go crazy for hours.
 
@percusse The creepiest version of the dilemma that I've heard is: You're hiding in a basement with 10 other people and your baby. Soldiers come into the house and will kill you all if they find you. Your baby starts to cry, and the crying will cause you all to be killed. Do you kill your own baby?
 
@AlanMunn Ah, that's terrible.
 
@percusse Indeed. Most people say no to that one, I think.
 
2:59 AM
I'm pretty sure that someone else would kill both of us.
 
@percusse Well that's certainly likely.
The other thing that's interesting about these dilemmas is that peoples reactions to them are very stable across cultures and independent of things like religiosity.
 
@AlanMunn That reminded me of the pig that wants to be eaten .
I think it was Julian Baggini's book that I've read.
So as far as I remember, you are a vegetarian because you think that the animals suffer because of you etc. but there is a pig that really absolutely wants to be eaten. Should you eat the pig?
I'm not sure if I recall that correctly.
 
@percusse That's assisted suicide plus dinner.
 
I've checked it now. It was quoted from Douglas Adams.
 
@percusse That's not surprising. Was it in Hitchhiker's Guide?
 
3:04 AM
@AlanMunn The restaurant at the end of the universe
 
@percusse Ok. It's been a long time since I read those.
 
@AlanMunn I remember getting bored from Baggini's book but now it looked a little bit more interesting
 
3:28 AM
I'm off. Good night people.
 
leo
@AlanMunn have a good night
 
@AlanMunn Good night
 
 
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7:06 AM
@percusse Trivia fact for today: the pig-who-wanted-to-be-eaten was not in the original radio series but was in the TV series. I believe he was played by Doctor Who.
 
 
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9:10 AM
@AndrewStacey It was a cow, I think
 
9:31 AM
Todays music
 
10:26 AM
@percusse: You rejected the suggested edit on the Penrose tiling question, right? I guess the editor does have a point though that that's quite important information that's missing from Herbert's answer?
 
Is this question a bit argumentative, a misfit?
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Q: Different small-caps in mathpazo and tgpagella - which are better?

NauCBoth the packages tgpagella and mathpazo (with "sc"-option) provide the font Palladio with true small-caps. tgpagella additionally offers a bold small-cap font. Yet when comparing the normal small-caps, I realized that there is a noticeable difference between the small-caps: those of tgpagella ar...

 
@BrentLongborough I think so. :)
 
@Jake Yes, I did. But if we start doing it, we have to do it for all Herbert's answers :) Besides, he mentioned this in the comments. Lastly, many Tikz solutions do not ask for permission to enter a tabular, PSTricks or any other \tikzmark question. So I think it is acceptable. Am I off with this?
@AndrewStacey I feel like I should revisit all the episodes again.
 
@PauloCereda I've flagged it as 'not constructive'.
 
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Q: LaTeX Longtable bug: header-only page generated: how do I fix?

Todor Milevhere is my LaTeX: (how does one format it nicely?): [Edit:] Reducing the example \documentclass{article} \usepackage{longtable} \usepackage{lscape} \begin{document} \begin{landscape} \noindent \begin{longtable}{ll} \caption[]{Decomposition } \\ & \\ \endhead\hline & $ \begin{arra...

One for @DavidCarlisle. :P
 
10:40 AM
@percusse I generally agree, but I have the feeling that usually, if someone suggests using TikZ to tackle a problem, they do announce that in the answer, instead of just posting the code and letting the readers figure it out. For someone not well acquainted with the different graphics packages, they could well assume that Herbert's answer somehow answers the question of how to get the tiling with TikZ. We should probably just leave it, but I am a bit irritated by the fact that (ctd.)
 
@PauloCereda no, Im busy, you have it, just tell him my packages have no bugs
 
Herbert doesn't just add the sentence "PStricks can do this. Compile with ..." at the top of the answer. It would make it so much clearer!
 
@DavidCarlisle Can I write "longtable has no bugs, only random features."? :)
 
I suppose I should look in a bit....
 
@Jake You are right he is a little too concise and often slightly snobbish (which is probably normal given the knowledge he has ). It also applies to his manuals and PSTricks community in general. However, in the TeX.SE locality, I think it might lead him to delete his answer. He's a happy-trigger-finger owner :)
 
10:45 AM
@percusse Hehe, true, yes.
 
@percusse If you are a kung fu master you are allowed to be slightly snobish
 
11:01 AM
@PauloCereda no, but I can/did
 
@DavidCarlisle Fantastic! Upvoted. :) I love the "undocumented features" part.
 
11:13 AM
How was it one added plain points to a graph again? finds the manual again
 
11:43 AM
Friends, how do I break line in a tabular?
 
@PauloCereda I think you need to either be in a p column, or use something like \shortstack?
 
@Jake Actually, I'd need a hard line break. :) I found a nice answer by @egreg in the main site. :)
 
@JosephWright Must admit, if asked to guess then I would have said "cow" as well, but the original interlocutors talked about "pig" so I left it at that.
 
@PauloCereda Hehe, of course!
 
12:00 PM
Is this correct usage of SI package?
\SI{9.81}{m/s^2}
 
12:21 PM
@N3buchadnezzar It's certainly supported: siunitx allows both 'literal' and 'symbolic' units
 
I just wondered if there were any short hand way of writing aceleration. I ended up writing it like SI{9.81}{\metre\per\second^{2}}
 
@N3buchadnezzar nah don't bother with them foreign units, stick to 416692913.38583 ft/h^2
 
@N3buchadnezzar \SI{9.81}{\m\per\s\squared} or \SI{9.81}{\m\per\square\s}would be my preference, but you can of course write out \metre and second
 
@DavidCarlisle Those pesky Englishmen. First they mess up good food, and now they are mess up our unit system.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Your input forces 'literal' mode as siunitx can't interpret ^{2}
 
12:24 PM
I tried writing \squared, but for some reason it did not work. Will try it again though =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Which siunitx version do you have?
 
@JosephWright Nevermind it worked now.
@JosephWright Any advice to when this package is useful? I have used it once before writing a science report, but I can not really see the use in wrapping \SI or \num around every number in my paper. That would certainly do more harm than good.
 
@N3buchadnezzar The key idea in siunitx is formatting units correctly and flexibly. So it's major strength if when you input quantities (a number with a unit). The \num command is there for allowing the same formatting for numbers as is seen in the \SI command. As such, it depends on what you want.
 
Yeah, I am using it to keep all my units in the same style at the moment. It is very useful for tables =)
 
If you use a sensible font set up then you should not see the difference between 1234.5 and \num{1234.5}, so you don't need the command. On the other hand, if you might be using the same text in documents where . should come out as . in one and , in a second, then \num is handy
@N3buchadnezzar The tables stuff is essentially an add-on that I was asked about late in initial development :-)
 
12:32 PM
@JosephWright Also useful for long numbers. When I use \num in paragraphs, should I enclose it in mathmode?
I saw you wrote that the best solution would be \text{\ensuremathmode.{.}} but that is well, perhaps overkill ?
 
@N3buchadnezzar With the standard settings, makes no difference
 
I will skip the mathmode then, I doubt I will use anything else than the standard settings.
 
\section{Integrating \texorpdfstring{\arara}{arara} with \texorpdfstring{\TeX works}{TeXworks}} done!
 
12:57 PM
@PauloCereda blurg can't you define \arara so it doesn't need \texorpdfstring{\arara}{arara}
 
@DavidCarlisle o.O Why didn't I think of that before?!
@DavidCarlisle: thanks, David! I owe you a beer too!
 
@PauloCereda presumably you'll be the only one that benefits as I guess this would only be used in its own manual:-)
 
@JosephWright Here in Norway it is standard to use commas for everything. Like writing (5,3 , 2) I really dislike this. Commas are for seperating numbers, not as a decimal marker.
 
1:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle: I can put you in charge of the arara bug report system. :)
 
@PauloCereda OK so what would you like bugs classified as, you can choose between "features" "user errors" "interesting behaviours" (the classification applies to all incoming mail)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh I like this idea! :D
 
1:47 PM
@N3buchadnezzar It's against the philosophy of kung-fu :)
 
@percusse Really ? In all the mangas I have read the experts are often perverted, old, and likes to make fun of their disciples.
 
@N3buchadnezzar But not snobbish :)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Something went really wrong in cartoon business in Japan and it got stuck
 
@percusse Exactly what went wrong I do not know, nor do I not want images of it. But I am 100% sure Herbert could draw it using PsTricks
 
1:58 PM
@N3buchadnezzar :-)
@PauloCereda Can arara handle METAPOST runs too? I mean :
pdflatex texfile
mpost graphics
pdflatex texfile
pdflatex texfile
 
@percusse Yes. :) We need to write a rule for it, but it can. :)
 
@PauloCereda Cool!
 
% arara: pdflatex
% arara: metapost: { files: [ mygraphic1.mp, mygraphic2.mp, mygraphic3.mp] }
% arara: pdflatex
% arara: pdflatex
A sample run. :)
 
I think he's cgnieder from TeX.SX
 
@percusse Wow!
 
2:06 PM
@PauloCereda Very nice!
 
Now I'm blushed.
 
 
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3:18 PM
One more vote is needed for this one.
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Q: Keep a fragmented tikz image at the same place on a beamer slide

Timothée PoisotI am putting together a series of slides using beamer, and I'm using tike to do most of the figures. On one particular slide, I need to make nodes appear, then some more nodes, then edges between them. The code looks like this: \begin{tikzpicture}[>=latex,text height=1.5ex,text depth=0.25ex] ...

 
3:37 PM
@percusse heya =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar hey
 
Any quick and dirty way of inserting labels into a PGF plot on points?
 
@N3buchadnezzar nodes near coords option maybe?
 
Never heard of that command, as usual ^^
 
@percusse, ma tikz man, is there any sourcery to center a tikz image in \item?
 
3:47 PM
@PauloCereda vertically?
 
@percusse yep
I'm using \raisebox.
 
@PauloCereda No need, go with \tikz[baseline] {\draw me rainbows}
@PauloCereda If not enough then switch to manual gears and go with \tikz[baseline=-0.5ex] etc. Same applies to the tikzpicture environment.
 
\vspace*{\fill}
\begingroup
\centering
one

two

three

\endgroup
\vspace*{\fill}
Oh, beaten by percusse =(
 
@N3buchadnezzar I don't beat, I kill mices. (reference to the last night chat with alanmunn
 
@percusse Then I guess this chatroom is filled Of mice and men then.
 
3:52 PM
@N3buchadnezzar Thanks. :)
@percusse Fabulous! Moar beers to you, my friend. :)
 
@PauloCereda cheers then
 
@PauloCereda that worked ? =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Adding baseline did the trick. :)
 
oh god, I laughed so hard.
If woman`s brasiere is called an over the shoulder boulder holder, Is not men`s underwear called under the butt nut hut?
 
4:31 PM
Could some mods/higher ups fix this?
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Q: how to set the canvas and font size in TikZ?

eliI am using TikZ to draw standalone pictures using the PreviewEnvironment (which cuts the PDF size around the picture). I then import the PDF figure inside LaTeX using \includegraphics. Let say my font size in LaTeX is 12pt. I want to bring in a PDF figure with a good looking size and such that t...

Look at the bottom 'answer'.
 
@N3buchadnezzar I've merged the answer into the question
 
@JosephWright Thanks! I forgot I could flag it ..
@JosephWright You have to fix that question again, Eli made another answer =)
 
@N3buchadnezzar Done
 
5:33 PM
@cgnieder: I have no words to express my gratitude. You wrote a lovely tutorial about arara, thanks a million for the kind words. I'm working hard to finish the new manual - examples, TeXworks integration, etc. The final 2.0 version seems very stable and I'll release it together with the manual and a brand new cross-platform installer. :)
 
@@Werner Thanks.
Back from the tour: Trento (passing through Vigolo Vattaro), Monte Bondone (a famous climb, dedicated to Charly Gaul) and then the west coast of Lake Garda. Yummy.
Now ready for Italy vs. Germany. :)
 
@egreg Germany will win EM
 
@egreg How nice! :D
 
@N3buchadnezzar I hope not. ;-)
 
;-)
It will be a fierce match, no matter the results. Hopefully as good as the last game, but with more goals
 
5:46 PM
@egreg why? ;-)
 
6:07 PM
@PauloCereda No need to thank me... you're the one who wrote the software. I use it all the time now since I first tried it out. It's awesome
 
@cgnieder /blushes wow, thanks. :)
 
6:24 PM
@PauloCereda What does actually arara do? I tried reading the blog but alas..
 
@N3buchadnezzar In general lines, arara reads a tex file, get the order of commands to be executed on this file and then calls these commands.
 
6:47 PM
Good luck, Italy, you'll need it :)
 
7:04 PM
@egreg You're welcome... I had to up it to 100 since it didn't allow for a 50 rep bounty when I initiated it...
 
7:17 PM
Italia, Italia, Italia!
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doesn't look good for us :)
 
whoa what was that ? :))
 
WOOOHOOOO
 
Well hopefully spain will beat them in the final!
 
@N3buchadnezzar You do understand the audience here, don't you?
 
7:32 PM
@AlanMunn PG13? Who you cheer on should not be be affected by others, I will root for Germany. Even though I highly doubt they will win the match.
@AlanMunn Also I upvoted the "Italy" comment from Paulo. Even though I want Germany to win, Italy has showed very, very fine play.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Heh heh. Of course, I'm just joking. So do all German supporters automatically support Spain in a final against Italy?
 
@PatrickGundlach Thanks, for now. :)
 
I just think they have outperformed Italy so far =)
 
@egreg They don't have my almighty can of Pringles. :)
 
the italian guys across the street are already celebrating...
 
7:37 PM
@PatrickGundlach Oh, no!
 
Too much Germans here. Shhh. :)
 
I love those edits Paulo, afraid to get flagged by egreg ?
:p
1:2 !
 
@N3buchadnezzar Oops!
@N3buchadnezzar Germany still has team to win the game. :)
@PatrickGundlach: are they still silent? :P
 
7:55 PM
@PauloCereda I have closed the windows :-)
 
@PatrickGundlach LOL
People always say to me that one way to make me shut up is to tie my arms. I move them a lot when talking. Italian heritage? :P
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Q: Is it possible to use some sort of internationalization in LaTeX?

thobensFor example, I have one manuscript that will create a PDF file in German and one in English. My idea is that it should be used like i18n in Java, so I have a key for a text block or a sentence and a language file for each language. For example: \documentclass[a4paper,12pt]{scrartcl} \usepackage...

@StephanLehmke: I think I know what the OP is referring to in Java. Sometimes, we have something called resource bundle, which contains locale-specific data. I can have an application with, say, Foo.properties, Foo_pt-BR.properties, Foo_en-US.properties and so on. If the Java locale property is set to, say, Brazilian Portuguese, the PT-BR resource would be loaded, with a fallback to Foo.properties is there's a missing key. If it's German, the fallback bundle is loaded. >>
This approach works with "translating" GUI's or even system messages, but not the way the user is proposing.
 
Duplicate, based on OP's comment:
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Q: Can I make a letter extra-bold in math mode, or why does bold look like regular beta?

DavidI would like to distinguish between a vector of betas and the individual betas I want to use bold, rather than an error, to indicate the vector However, the difference between \beta and \mathbf{beta} is not very clear. Can I make the beta's extra bold, or have a double line on the left side? My...

 
@PauloCereda However internationalization works for user interfaces from the technical POV, I don't believe it's applicable to TeX documents of any kind, because the latter is not about translating short text snippets.
 
@StephanLehmke Agreed! :) There's no way. Besides, I don't get why the OP wants a literal translation on every single word, even because there's no 1:1 mapping. :(
@egreg: oh no, Thiago Motta!
 
8:13 PM
@StephanLehmke Right. And that's why the answer by Ivan works: it's a very circumscribed application, quite similar to that which Paulo describes, but not generally applicable.
 
@AlanMunn Indeed.
 
so has the football finished then?
 
@DavidCarlisle No. About 10 mins left + stoppage time.
 
@DavidCarlisle Where? :)
 
@PauloCereda assumed it had since your thoughts had turned back to documents:-)
 
8:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda is a multithreaded.
 
@DavidCarlisle Well it is finished in the sense the outcome is clear :-(
 
@AlanMunn I can fail with two things at the same time. :)
 
it's not over til the fat lady sings...
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
Ella Fitzgerald?
 
8:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle I think she sang at around the 60th minute.
 
Who is she? :)
Thankfully, no sight of Angela Merkel so far. :)
 
@PauloCereda LOL.
 
@AlanMunn It's true, she scares the bejesus out of me.
Spain vs. Italy. We need to promote a live streaming from here.
Live commentary, analysis.
 
@PauloCereda Like the comment today after the first half: "Scoring is like pouring ketchup: you get nothing at first but then it all comes out at once."
 
@AlanMunn LOL
@Alan: have you ever heard a Brazilian narrator called Galvão Bueno? :)
 
8:34 PM
@PauloCereda No. Is he the Goooooooooooool guy?
 
@AlanMunn In Brazil? All of them are. :)
 
she's not sung yet....
 
@DavidCarlisle Apparently not.
 
@AlanMunn: watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=HWsNAOeUatw :) He's very famous, a love/hate feeling. :P
Note the stress in the R. :P
 
oh well...
 
8:39 PM
@N3buchadnezzar: Wow, you got the score right! :)
 
@PauloCereda ^^
History has shown before that it is ill-advised angering the Germans.
 
@N3buchadnezzar Germany conceded all the first half. I'm rather happy that Löw put Podolski and Gómez in. :)
 
Pringles power! :)
 
@egreg Indeed =)
 
I miss our 2002 team. We had Rivaldo. And of course Marcos. :)
 
8:46 PM
@PauloCereda I think we still miss our 1966 team
 
@DavidCarlisle :) Portugal had Eusébio, I guess. :)
@DavidCarlisle, @AlanMunn: did the fat lady sing? :)
@egreg: another final for Italy. :)
 
@PauloCereda The penalty kick at the end exemplifies the saying perfectly.
 
I still miss our 860 team, when we had helmets with horns on them...
 
@N3buchadnezzar :-)
 
Well we have beaten Brazil 2:0
 
8:49 PM
@N3buchadnezzar Why does this remind me of Ride of the Valkyries? It would be epic. :D
 
Indeed =)
 
@PauloCereda And then you really get the fat lady singing.
 
@AlanMunn LOL
 
5:15, please. :)
Spoiler alert: Eric Idle in a tutu.
I want to be British because of that video.
"When you are sixty years of age and your mom won't leave the stage..."
 
8:54 PM
@PauloCereda I hope you show your leaders as much respect in Brazil:-)
 
@AlanMunn My grandfather used to remember an episode at the opera theater in the small town where he lived: the tenor had to fetch the soprano out of the scene, but she was a very fat lady. So from "loggione" one cried: "Do it in two travels!"
I don't know why there are many people in the street shouting. :)
 
@egreg LOL
@egreg Ma chè! :)
@DavidCarlisle Brazilian politicians? I'm ashamed of my government. :(
 
@egreg Ha ha. There does seem to be a tradition of rather hefty opera singers.
 
@AlanMunn Like Victor Borge once said, "It carries a lot of weight to the opera." :)
 
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