TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2011-02-25

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8:56 AM

For other mods: while the link is missing at the top of the page, here's the URL: tex.stackexchange.com/admin/dashboard I think that the flag count is also missing (but there's only one extant at the moment).

Belay that, the links are back.

9:35 AM

@MartinScharrer: I've just discovered the "Improve" function when approving edits but I don't know if it notifies the original editor that an improvement has been made so I'm letting you know here that I fixed the grammar on the fancyhdr tag excerpt.

Martin Scharrer

9:51 AM

@AndrewStacey Thanks, no I didn't got any message. It doesn't pop up under revisions either.

Bizarrely, I got the Tag Editor badge (or whatever it's called) for it. All I did was add two 's's and a full stop!

Martin Scharrer

10:07 AM

@AndrewStacey I wasn't sure about the full-stop ...

@JosephWright: Any notable rise on voters since the Town Hall Chat?

@MartinScharrer: Current reading is: 400 voters are eligible for this election, 117 visited the election, and 73 voted.

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@MartinScharrer I watched the voting during the chat - no change at all during or immediately after!

I just noticed that the message about the Town Hall Chat bumped the voting reminder off the main page and it didn't come back, so I just reinstated it.

Martin Scharrer

Apropos votes: If I upvote someone and then take it back seconds after, do I get me vote back for the day?

I'm talking about normal Q&A votes of course

Should be "my vote", not "me vote", of course :-)

I sometimes vote up and then click "Questions" to see other questions. Apparently sometimes I do this to fast for my Internet connection, so I get a "An error has occurred ..." message and I have to go back and re-apply my vote. Now, somehow I lost votes either this way or the way mentioned above, but I didn't got my 30 votes that day.

3 hours later…

Martin Tapankov

1:00 PM

@Mods: Any change of the number of votes since the town hall chat yesterday?

Stefan Kottwitz

@MartinTapankov Currently: 400 voters are eligible for this election, 120 visited the election, and 75 voted.

2

@MartinTapankov: see my comment a few hours ago: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/575994#575994

Ah, 2 more votes in 3 hours. At this rate we'll have .... er ... some more votes by the end.

Martin Tapankov

@AndrewStacey: Ahh indeed, it's bold and everything, and yet I managed to miss it.

1:20 PM

I love the pifont package. It gives you an easy interface to literally hundreds of useless icons.

Martin Tapankov

@Seamus: I thought that's what Comic Sans is for

\ding{37} is a telephone.

Charles Stewart

Is Caramdir still planning on sending in his empty town hall chat answers? It's probably not worth it if nearly everyone has voted.

I'm tempted to work out how to have equations labelled by random dingbats rather than numbers... It shouldn't be too hard, right? Or have section headings be random dingbats... "As we saw in section (telephone)..."

Charles Stewart

@Seamus: Everyone will hate you. Especially if you start using the same techniques for numbers of theorems, lemmas, &c.

1:28 PM

@CharlesStewart: We don't have the transcript up yet so there's nowhere for him to add them. (To be honest, I'm not sure it would be worth doing - I didn't spot any killer questions despite our hosts list of "prepared questions")

Charles Stewart

@AndrewStacey Right. Like I said last night, the most interesting nugget of information for me was being reminded that Matthew was a mathematician, which had precisely no impact on my candidate preference order.

@CharlesStewart I took a look at the AskUbuntu transcript - they also seem to have a group of potential mods with very similar views

@AndrewStacey Questions were mainly the same for AskUbuntu and Gaming, I think

Charles Stewart

The election booth stats: I'm guessing that repeat visitors to the elections page who have not voted yet are likely future voters. I guess one needs dev access for that information.

Has anyone here not voted?

I have a question for prosepective mods: did any of you vote for yourselves?

@Seamus: ∀⋇>0 ∃⊾>0:|⋉-⋊|<⊾⟹|⟲-⟳|<⋇

@Charles: Right, I meant to ask you: what was it he said that reminded you of that?

1:36 PM

@AndrewStacey Is that continuity with dingbats for variables?

Charles Stewart

@AndrewStacey It's something you said to Matthew. I'm not trawling through the chat logs to remind myself of what reminded me.

"dingbats for variables" could be the name of a slightly odd band.

Charles Stewart

@Seamus It reminds me vaguely of APL.

@CharlesStewart I don't know which APL you're referring to: Applied Physics Letters, A Programming Language, Animal Protective League, Association of Professional Landscapers... (I googled it)

Charles Stewart

@Seamus The programming language, famed for its character set.

1:42 PM

@Seamus I doubt we can :-)

@CharlesStewart I see. The closest I get to programming languages is LaTeX, HTML, CSS, awk, sed, e-lisp and logo...

Charles Stewart

user image

@JosephWright Ah I hadn't even thought of that. Then the question is, were we allowed to, who would have?

Charles Stewart

Better APL example:

user image

@Seamus If you like linear algebra, take a look at APL, or rather, its successor, J.

@CharlesStewart Interesting. I know some R, so J sounds fun too. Any other one letter programming languages out there? C, obviously...

Martin Tapankov

1:51 PM

@CharlesStewart: D

Looks like the unholy progeny of Java, C# and Python

Charles Stewart

@MartinTapankov D is really cleaned-up C++. It's not bad.

There's S as well (R's grandfather, from what I remember)

\TeX isn't technically a single letter, but it is a single token.

2 hours later…

4:32 PM

According to data gathered from here, 12 stackexchange sites have finished their community mod elections. For webapps.sx, there were only three nominees which were elected by default. For the rest, the median voter turnout is about 13%, the lowest turnout (superuser.com) 5% and the highest turnout (cstheory.sx) 40%. If tex.sx hits a turnout of 19%, we leap to second place (for the moment).

Matthew Leingang

4:44 PM

Good work @lockstep

@MatthewLeingang Such praise from a mathematician. :-)

Matthew Leingang

lol

@lockstep are you not a math grad student?

@MatthewLeingang I'm a town planner.

Matthew Leingang

@lockstep Sorry I had you confused with @Caramdir.

@MatthewLeingang Don't do that while you cast your vote. ;-)

Matthew Leingang

4:54 PM

@lockstep I've already voted (intentionally) for you.

@MatthewLeingang YES! THEY CAN'T CATCH UP WITH ME NOW!

@MatthewLeingang Sorry, couldn't resist.

@MatthewLeingang And many thanks for your vote!

Matthew Leingang

Hi @Caramdir

@CharlesStewart Once someone tells me where they are, I will.

Hi

@MatthewLeingang Yes, I am one.

@Seamus It is possible to vote for yourself (and it is also possible to change your vote).

@lockstep Sorry, you lost the reverse election...

5:13 PM

@Caramdir Damned.

5:24 PM

@MartinScharrer: in reply to adding convert to standalone: why not simply use a good screenshot making tool (that lets you select an arbitrary area of the screen) for creating pictures to post here (that convert inclusion would still be useful for other situations though).

Martin Scharrer

@Caramdir That would also be a way. ATM I just used Gnome's screen-shot tool and Gimp, but this isn't really nice. standalone plus my own minimal pdftopng script is much faster most the time. Only drawback: you have to adjust \textwidth for material in a paragraph

If you have compiz enabled, activate its screenshot tool.

(via ccsm)

Matthew Leingang

@MartinScharrer I have been using TeXShop (Mac), copying a window of the preview region to Preview, then saving as png. But standalone + convert is a good CLI method; I will probably use this in the future.

Martin Scharrer

@Caramdir Ok, done but I still get the old tool when I press "Print Screen"

@MartinScharrer I think by default it is bound on Windows + left-click (drag a selection rectangle with the mouse)

Martin Scharrer

5:39 PM

mmm, I try this later. I'm driving home now.

@MartinScharrer I just wanted to point this out, as it makes posting examples extremely easy.

Martin Scharrer

@Caramdir Thanks a lot. I have a look at it and maybe other screenshot tools

5:53 PM

@Caramdir I imagined voting for a candidate would be like awarding a bounty, with some pop-up saying "Are you sure? This cannot be undone!" ...

Martin Scharrer

6:31 PM

@lockstep :-) Why did you mis-vote?

@MartinScharrer Please explain -- I may be somewhat confused at the moment ...

Martin Scharrer

@lockstep Did you accidentally vote for someone and then discovered that you can't take the vote back?

@Caramdir I tried now "shutter" which seems meet my requirements for tex.sx result shoots

@MartinScharrer No -- when you click on a "Xth choice" button, a frame will be added to it. I suspect that clicking again will undo the frame (and the vote).

Martin Scharrer

@lockstep No, I don't think so. Didn't work when I tested it.

But I'm not sure how long after the vote that was ...

@MartinScharrer Daring! (I didn't try this because I also suspected that I wouldn't be able to cast my vote on the same person again.)

Martin Scharrer

6:38 PM

@lockstep Sorry, I forgot the comma after "Why" in my first post. This way it isn't clear ..

@lockstep I only tried it with the 3rd choice anyway

Tomorrow I like to get 6666 rep. Let's see if I hit that number.

@MartinScharrer I once was at 9999. ;-)

Martin Scharrer

@lockstep Oh, yes I remember. You had that for several hours. :-)

@MartinScharrer Really made me think about editing a tag wiki ...

Martin Scharrer

But staying so short before 10k and mod tool privileges kind of su@@

@lockstep Yes, why not, as long it is a suitable edit.

Matthew Leingang

@MartinScharrer I am less than 100 away from 6666 too. The thought crossed my mind

Martin Scharrer

6:50 PM

@MatthewLeingang Yes, you, Hendrik and me are just below that.

@MartinTapankov: BTW do you know at what day of the month the SO people do the dump for data.sx? Is that every 1. or more inconsistent?

Martin Tapankov

7:35 PM

@MartinScharrer: Not sure, but usually at the beginning of every month, around 4-5th

Martin Scharrer

@MartinTapankov thanks

Martin Tapankov

@MartinScharrer: They announce it on the blog most of the time

Stefan Kottwitz

7:47 PM

@MartinScharrer The StackExchange data dump will be produced every two months.

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The Town Hall Chat transcript is now up.

Martin Scharrer

@StefanKottwitz data.stackexchange.com/faq says it is monthly

at least for data.sx, no idea about the torrent files

Stefan Kottwitz

@MartinScharrer ah right, I found it: "... or use the Stack Exchange Data Explorer, which will continue to be updated monthly."

Martin Scharrer

@StefanKottwitz They should put some message on data.sx like "data as of <DATE>"!

Stefan Kottwitz

@MartinScharrer I can see dates there

Martin Scharrer

7:57 PM

@StefanKottwitz Ahh, now, behind that other numbers I didn't found interesting ... Thanks

Stefan Kottwitz

@MartinScharrer Yes, for {TeX} it's feb 10

8:16 PM

@MartinScharrer: nice to see you using full stops now ... honestly, I'll be glad when I'm no longer a moderator and don't get bothered by these edit approvals anymore!

Martin Tapankov

@AndrewStacey: Aren't you going to get them as a 5000+ user?

Martin Scharrer

@MartinTapankov You are allowed to approve them, but you can't see them :-) At least we didn't figured it out how. 10k+ users see them over the mod tools.

Martin Tapankov

8:41 PM

@MartinScharrer: Huh. That's... weird.

Martin Scharrer

@MartinTapankov Can't find a post on meta.SO or meta.SX for that.

@MartinTapankov: Am I? I haven't been keeping track of what reputation is needed since (as a pro tem mod) it's been academic. I'd better think up a lot of questions that need bounties pretty quick to get back below that magic number.

Martin Scharrer

8:56 PM

@AndrewStacey Does the page tex.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits work for you? I get a 404 Not Found page.

@MartinScharrer: Works for me (there aren't any pending edits, though)

Martin Tapankov

@MartinScharrer: I get 404 too

Martin Scharrer

@AndrewStacey Is that the page where you approve tag wiki pages?

Martin Tapankov

@MartinScharrer: But of course I don't have enough rep for that :)

@AndrewStacey: I can confirm that you won't be bothered by edit approvals below 10k. (I can also confirm that the approval reminder mark is really ugly.)

@MartinScharrer Works for me, too.

9:07 PM

@MartinScharrer Here it is: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/77505/…

@lockstep it is ugly, but I think it is quite useful

Martin Scharrer

I now opened a bug report on meta.SO: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/80709/156875

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Q: 5k Users have "approve tag wiki edits" privilege but can't see list of suggested edits

The approve-tag-wiki-edits page stats that users need 5k reputation to approve tag wiki edits. However there seems to be no way to see the list of suggested edits. The /review/suggested-edits page only shows a 404 Not Found error. Only users with 10k which have access to moderator tools can appar...

bug suggested-edits tag-wiki

@Caramdir I haven't said anything about its usefulness. BTW, I find it amusing that "top-users" of a certain tag (say, {tikz-pgf}) still need approval of their tag wiki edits.

Martin Scharrer

@lockstep Yes, I really liked the old system better.

@lockstep There have been a lot of tag wiki edits recently (tex.stackexchange.com/tools/recently-changed-wikis for those who can access that page), and I think part of the reason for this is that more users can make them (one other reason being the election).

9:47 PM

@CharlesStewart I added my comments to the Town Hall chat digest.

There seems to be a limit to how many tag wikis one can approve per day: “Out of votes - you may not vote on this user any more today.”

10:14 PM

@Caramdir: And you just flooded my inbox! (Since it ended up being me that posted most of the answers) I was worried that I'd gotten in to trouble elsewhere by typing in Geordie, but thankfully not.

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